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 Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 6:08pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 6:06pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Muslims Help Christians Re-Build Their Church in Philippines... Incredibly Inspirational. Christian residents in a small village were stunned when the local Muslims did something for them that they never expected. The local chapel, Christ the King, was destroyed during a 3 week-long battle between civil forces and the government. But then, Christians awoke one morning to a miracle: their Muslim neighbors were helping them rebuild. Father Michael Ufana of the Saint Joseph parish said he was overwhelmed by what was happening in the community. Jesus taught us to love others… and we should. This act of kindness from the other side of the world is something we can truly learn from. Don't judge others because they are different. You should love them, because they are still our brothers and sisters in this world. God bless.http://www.godvine.com/read/rebuild-church-394.html
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:59pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
MashAllah
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:57pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Working together
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:52pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Muslim groups crowdfund to help burned Southern churches rebuild, ‘stand against hate’ NEW YORK — A fundraising campaign has been launched by a group of Muslims in the United States to help the seven black churches that recently burned down or suffered extensive damage. The group is using the platform LaunchGood and has already raised over $32,000. The wave of incidents currently under investigation all began the week Dylann Roof allegedly killed nine church members inside the historical Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina. He is currently behind bars charged with nine counts of murder. The massacre occurred June 17, 2015. Since then churches of various denominations in Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Florida have burned. Officials said three have been ruled arson, and several fires are still being investigated. SOURCE: Glover Grove Baptist Church SOURCE: Glover Grove Baptist Church On June 21 the College Hill Seventh Day Adventist Church in Knoxville, Tenn. was vandalized in an act ruled by officials as arson. On June 23 the God’s Power Church of Christ in Macon, Ga. burned, and was ruled arson. The following day, on June 24, the Briar Creek Road Baptist Church in Charlotte, N.C. was burned and ruled arson. On June 26 the Glover Grove Baptist Church in Warrenville, S.C. burned and the “cause was undetermined,” officials said. That same day, officials said that electrical wiring was responsible for The Greater Miracle Apostolic Holiness Church in Tallahassee, Florida burning to the ground http://wtvr.com/2015/07/08/muslim-groups-crowdfund-to-help-burned-southern-churches-rebuild-stand-against-hate/
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:47pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
It's pretty cool that the first to help these Christians were Muslims. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:44pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Muslim charities raise nearly $45,000 to rebuild burned-down black churches https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/09/muslim-charities-raise-nearly-45000-to-rebuild-burned-down-black-churches/ Home Page Politics Opinions Sports Local National World Business Tech Lifestyle Entertainment Crosswords Video Photography Washington Post Live Live Chats Real Estate Cars Jobs WP BrandConnect Classifieds Partners washingtonpost.com 1996-2016 The Washington Post Terms of Service Privacy Policy Submissions and Discussion Policy RSS Terms of Service Ad Choices Morning Mix Muslim charities raise nearly $45,000 to rebuild burned-down black churches By Lindsey Bever July 9, 2015 Fire crews try to control a blaze at the Mt. Zion African Methodist Episcopal Church in Greeleyville, S.C., on June 30, 2015. (Clarendon County Fire Department via Reuters) Over the past several weeks, a handful of predominantly black churches across the South have burned down. Some were ruled arson, others accidents — but they still recalled racist attacks against black churches throughout American history. The church fires followed the mass shooting at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C., igniting concern over the possibility of a wave of hate crimes. Three Muslim charities have since launched a “Respond with Love” crowdfunding campaign to damaged black churches rebuild and “stand united against hate.” The Muslim Anti-Racism Collaborative, Arab American Association of New York and Ummah Wide have raised nearly $45,000 since starting the fundraiser last week. “It’s Ramadan and we are experiencing firsthand the beauty and sanctity of our mosques during this holy month. ALL houses of worship are sanctuaries — a place where all should feel safe, a place we can seek refuge when the world is too much to bear,” campaign organizers said in a statement. “We want for others what we want for ourselves: the right to worship without intimidation, the right to safety and the right to property,” the statement also said |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:41pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
American Muslims raise $30,000 to help repair black churches destroyed by fire http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/american-muslims-raise-30000-to-help-repair-black-churches-destroyed-by-fire-10375704.html When Faatimah Knight reached out to her Muslim friends and acquaintances to try and help black churches that had been destroyed by fire, she had no idea how much they could collect. Today, they have managed to raise just under $30,000 – money that will be used to help up to seven churches that were destroyed in the American south in the aftermath of the Charleston shooting and the campaign against the Confederate flag. “We have been overwhelmed by how generous people have been,” Ms Knight, 23, told The Independent. “We will stop it today...We will figure out how to distribute the money.”
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:38pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Muslims offer help to Christians as they raise funds to rebuild burnt US churches http://www.christiantoday.com/article/muslims.offer.help.to.christians.as.they.raise.funds.to.rebuild.burnt.us.churches/58365.htm A group made up of different Muslim organisations has lit up a spark of hope for Christian communities who were affected by the recent spate of fires that razed predominantly African-American churches in the US. The Arab American Association of New York (AAANY), Muslim Anti-Racism Collaborative, and digital startup Umah Wide joined forces to raise funds that will be used to rebuild at least eight churches in four states mostly in the South.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:35pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Muslims raise $48,000 to rebuild burned black churches http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/us/muslims-help-southern-black-churches-irpt/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/us/muslims-help-southern-black-churches-irpt/# (CNN)Several black churches across the South have burned in recent weeks, some due to what is believed to be arson, while others fell victim to natural disasters such as lightning. The destruction of these black churches inspired a group of young Muslims from different parts of the country to put together a crowdfunding campaign to raise money to help rebuild them. Faatimah Knight, a 23-year-old studying theology, started a campaign on LaunchGood with a group of friends to raise $50,000 during the month of Ramadan, a holy month for Muslims during which they fast and give alms. The initial goal for the campaign was only $10,000, but the group surpassed that mark in just 12 hours after they launched. "Nearly broke the LaunchGood servers!" The website's Facebook page posted. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:30pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Muslims Raised Over $100,000 To Help Rebuild Black Churches In The South Three Muslim organizations have raised over $100,000 to rebuild black churches in the South. In the days following the shooting of nine people inside Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, a string of church fires at black worship centers in the South raised alarm on social media. Authorities have not indicated that the fires are connected to Charleston, but the blazes made headlines in the wake of what many believe to have been the worst incident of racist terrorism in years. The Muslim Anti-Racism Collaborative, the Arab-American Association of New York and Ummah Wide wanted to make sure these churches were restored as soon as possible. The organizations joined forces to launch the “Respond With Love” campaign on July 2, stating on their fundraising page that "ALL houses of worship are sanctuaries, a place where all should feel safe." The fundraiser started off with a goal of $10,000, but they hit that target within hours, Linda Sarsour, executive director of AAANY, said to HuffPost in an email. They increased the target amount a few more times, and the support kept flooding in. The campaign closed on July 18, just after the end of the holy month of Ramadan, with a final total of $100,470. Faatimah Knight, a theology student and one of the campaign's organizers, believes "Respond With Love" went viral because it contributes to a colorful, nuanced narrative about the Muslim community. "It awakens [in] some and confirms in others that Muslims are diverse and varied and that many of our concerns are domestic concerns," Knight wrote in an email to HuffPost. "Also, Respond with Love is an anti-racism effort and there are many people in this country who are tired of racist rhetoric and racist motivated violence." Sarsour guesses the majority of the donors were Muslims, based on the surnames of the 2,016 people who donated. "Our campaign gave people the opportunity to take an extra step beyond just verbal solidarity," Sarsour said to HuffPost. "Our campaign united people of all faiths, it resonated and the fact that it was lead by Muslims during the holy month of Ramadan gave the campaign more meaning and legitimacy." Sarsour said the Respond With Love team is leaning towards donating the money to the larger "Rebuild The Churches Fund," which was organized by the Episcopal Christ Church Cathedral in St. Louis, Missouri. That campaign has independently raised over $200,000 to rebuild six churches in Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida -- other churches may be added to the list. "We hope this campaign encouraged non-Black Muslims to support the BlackLivesMatter Movement and remain committed to ending anti-Black racism in America," Sarsour said to HuffPost. "We have a [lot] of work to do. This is just the beginning." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-raise-over-100000-to-help-rebuild-black-churches-in-the-south_us_55ad4be7e4b0d2ded39fac57 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: First Mosque In The UK Was Built By A Jew by facheux(op): 5:24pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
The New York synagogue inside a mosque In Parkchester, New York there is a small orthodox Jewish congregation that worship in the Islamic Cultural Center of North America (home of the Al-Iman mosque). The relationship between Jews and Muslims in Parkchester began when the Young Israel Congregation were running clothing drives for needy families. One of the recipients of their charity was Sheikh Moussa Drammeh, the founder of the Al-Iman Mosque, who was collecting for some of his poorer congregants. Through that initial meeting, a relationship developed between the two communities and the synagogue continued to donate to the Islamic center. But in 2003, after years of declining membership, Young Israel was forced to sell its building (some of its chairs and tables were given to the mosque). The remaining congregants were left without a place to pray and unable to pay for religious faculty. Rabbis from the Chabad of East Bronx (a pious congregation several miles away) volunteered to lead the religious services, but they were still without a building. When Drammeh learned of their plight, he offered to accommodate their congregation in the Muslim center, “They don’t pay anything, because these are old folks whose income are very limited now,” said Drammeh. “Not every Muslim likes us, because not every Muslim believes that Muslims and Jews should be like this,” he said. But “there’s no reason why we should hate each other, why we cannot be families”. He went on to say how he admired the dedication of the Chabad rabbis, who walk 15 miles every Saturday to run the prayer services for this ailing community. http://www.judaism-islam.com/four-mosques-with-jewish-stories/4/
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| Christianity Etc › Re: First Mosque In The UK Was Built By A Jew by facheux(op): 5:22pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
The Parisian mosque that saved Jews During the holocaust, France was home to thousands of Jews and Muslims from North Africa. Both spoke Arabic, had similar traditions, similar dietary restrictions, their males were circumcised, spoke a similar language, prayed in a similar fashion, had the same names and even looked alike. Against this backdrop, stood the Grand Mosque of Paris, a tiled, walled fortress the size of a city block which served as a place to pray, but also as a place of sanctuary where visitors could eat, relax and bathe during the Vichy occupation of France. As the two people were so similar French Algerian partisans were able to provide assistance to Jewish families, by hiding them in the mosque, while Si Kaddour Benghabrit (the mosque’s imam and founder) issued them with Muslim certificates of identity. With these papers between 500 and 1,600 Jews were able to escape Nazi France and seek refuge in nations where they wouldn’t face certain death. http://www.judaism-islam.com/four-mosques-with-jewish-stories/2/
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| Christianity Etc › First Mosque In The UK Was Built By A Jew by facheux(op): 5:16pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
The Shah Jahan Mosque is famous for being Britain’s first purpose-built mosque, but one of the most incredible twists in the mosques story was that it was commissioned by a Jewish man, Dr Gottlieb Wilhelm Leitner. He commissioned the mosque in 1889 to provide a place of worship for Muslim students at his Oriental Institute. If a Jew commissioning a mosque seems a bit strange, a British Jew founding a University in Pakistan is probably just as strange. But these are just two of the contributions Dr. Leitner made to the Muslim world http://www.judaism-islam.com/four-mosques-with-jewish-stories/
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:09pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
The Grand Mosque of Paris: A Story of How Muslims Saved Jews During the Holocaust Karen Gray Ruelle and Deborah Durland DeSaix Review by Naomi Kramer The Grand Mosque of Paris is the story of the Muslim community of Paris during the Nazi occupation of World War II and their efforts to rescue Jews. The mosque constructed in 1926 had space for a community center, library, restaurant, clinic and apartments for the functionaries. It was built upon a labyrinth of subterranean tunnels and rooms, areas that had been excavated for building stones for the city of Paris. These underground passages and catacombs served as hiding places and escape routes for those hunted by the French police and Gestapo. The rescue and escape of Jews was under the leadership of the Rector, Si Kaddour Benghabrit, a sophisticated Algerianborn diplomat, who was considered the most powerful Muslim in France at the time. The clerics provided sanctuary, certificates of Muslim identity and safe passage for those who sought their help. This well written, concise history is enhanced by the beautiful double page oil paintings, which are most effective in conveying setting and mood. There is no personal narrative although this historical story has all the elements for a compelling novel as evidenced by the few examples given. It is noted that at least 100 Jews, downed Allied airmen, Resistance fighters and escaped prisoners of war, were also spirited to safety. These righteous saviors deserve to be honored and their deeds told. This book is appropriate for elementary school students who are studying WWII and/or the Holocaust, but would also interest older students and adults. An afterword, glossary and extensive bibliography is very informative and sheds light upon this important and little known story of the Holocaust. For ages 10 and up. http://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/book/the-grand-mosque-of-paris-a-story-of-how-muslims-saved-jews-during-the-holocaust
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:04pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
A church whose £600 Christian Aid Week collection was stolen has had the money replaced by members of the neighbouring mosque. Members of the Ilford Islamic Centre read about the crime in the local newspaper, the Ilford Recorder, and at Friday prayers the following day they donated enough to cover the church’s loss. They had also given money towards the original collection. http://www.christianaid.org.uk/getinvolved/supporter-stories/mosque_church.aspx
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 5:02pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
A mosque in Mississauga has taken the holy words to heart and is donating thousands of dollars to help a nearby Catholic church clean up after it was hit with a spate of vulgar acts of vandalism last month. After hearing of the incidents through the media, Hamid Slimi, imam of the Sayeda Khadija Centre in Mississauga, paid a visit to nearby St. Catherine of Siena Roman Catholic Church. He was shocked after Father Camillo Lando showed him some of the vandal’s behaviour caught on security video. “It was a very bad scene,” said Slimi. “The guy who did it ripped pages out of the Bible. He broke the altar. He threw the cross,” said Slimi. “When I saw this, I thought it was pure injustice. It was just wrong http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/06/26/mississauga-mosque-helps-vandalized-church-clean-up.html |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mosques That Used To Be Churches ℅¶∆√©¿ by facheux(op): 4:55pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
| Christianity Etc › Mosque Helps Church Clean Up After It Was Vandalized by facheux(op): 4:52pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Another example of Muslims helping Christians  https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/good-news/mosque-helps-church-clean-up-after-it-was-163948027.html After a Catholic church was vandalized last month, a nearby mosque donated thousands of dollars to help because it was “the least that they could do.” Hamid Slimi, imam of the Sayeda Khadija Centre in Mississauga, Ont., paid a visit to a nearby St. Catherine of Siena Roman Catholic church after hearing about the incident through the media, The Toronto Star reports. That’s where Father Camillo Lando showed him some of the footage of the attack that was caught on security video. “It was a very bad scene,” Slimi told The Star. “The guy who did it ripped pages out of the Bible. He broke the altar. He threw the cross…” “When I saw this, I thought it was pure injustice. It was just wrong.” After seeing what had happened to the church in such explicit detail, Slimi informed his congregation about the incident and asked them to donate at a Friday sermon. The congregation was able to raise almost $5,000 for the church in just one day. |
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| Christianity Etc › Mosques That Used To Be Churches ℅¶∆√©¿ by facheux(op): 4:39pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
http://www.kybaptist.org/2014/09/22/kentucky-church-buildings-turned-mosques/ LOUISVILLE—The growing trend of former church buildings being turned into mosques and Islamic centers has reached Kentucky’s largest city where even some once-thriving Southern Baptist facilities are now occupied by Muslims. A former Kentucky Baptist church building in Louisville is now the home of the Guiding Light Islamic Center. (KBC photo) A former Kentucky Baptist church building in Louisville is now the home of the Guiding Light Islamic Center. It is one of at least three buildings in Kentucky’s largest city that once housed a KBC church that now is home to a world religion. (KBC photo) “On a trip to England a few years ago, I recall seeing dozens of churches that had become mosques and wondering how it could happen there; now it’s happening here,” said Paul Chitwood, executive director of the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Todd Robertson, pastor of Antioch Baptist Church in Louisville, said the religious makeup of the Bible Belt is rapidly changing with declining membership in many Christian congregations and growing participation in Islam and other religions. “We have at least three former Baptist churches in Louisville that are no longer Baptist churches—two are mosques
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Wafa Sultan The Bold Ex-Muslim Heroine by facheux: 9:57pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
I've proved garbage mouth a non muslim and a confirmed liar in this thread. https://www.nairaland.com/2964108/wafa-sultan-aka-garbage-mouth Her sect isnt muslim. But u knew that and counted on others ignorance to push your agenda
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Terrorist by facheux: 9:46pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
When the Christo fascists came to crusade in Congo they killed at least 10 000 000. Some say 30 000 000. One junior white officer described a raid to punish a village that had protested. The white officer in command: "ordered us to cut off the heads of the men and hang them on the village palisades, also their sexual members, and to hang the women and the children on the palisade in the form of a cross." After seeing a native killed for the first time, a Danish missionary wrote: "The soldier said 'Don't take this to heart so much. They kill us if we don't bring the rubber. The Commissioner has promised us if we have plenty of hands he will shorten our service'." In the words of author Peter Forbath's: "The baskets of severed hands, set down at the feet of the European post commanders, became the symbol of the Congo Free State. ... The collection of hands became an end in itself. Force Publique soldiers brought them to the stations in place of rubber; they even went out to harvest them instead of rubber... They became a sort of currency. They came to be used to make up for shortfalls in rubber quotas, to replace... the people who were demanded for the forced labour gangs; and the Force Publique soldiers were paid their bonuses on the basis of how many hands they collected." http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocong.htm |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question Of Tithe & New Testament by facheux(op): 4:50pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Wafa Sultan The Bold Ex-Muslim Heroine by facheux: 8:07am On Mar 12, 2016 |
Here's some nice PDF books about pastors that rape and abuse children. Enjoy http://www.reveal.org/development/Churches_that_Abuse.pdf http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Margaret%20Kennedy%201.11.03%20Christianity%20and%20Child%20Sexual%20Abuse%20-%20Survivors%20informing%20the%20care%20of%20children%20following%20abuse.pdf http://www.awrsipe.com/reports/evingerbiblio.pdf http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/fcdc/inquiries/57th/Child_Abuse_Inquiry/Submissions/Lazzari_Dr_Peter.pdf http://www.uni.edu/vanworme/articles/priest.pdf http://dit.ie/icr/media/diticr/documents/5%20Kenny%20ICR%2011.pdf http://atfpress.com/reckoning-the-catholic-church-and-child-sexual-abuse-pdf.html https://www.scu.edu/media/college-of-arts-and-sciences/psychology/documents/Plante-Clergy-Paper-2.pdf http://www.reveal.org/development/Churches_that_Abuse.pdf http://www.votf.org/Survivor_Support/DoyleBibliography_0812-2013.pdf |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Crucifixion by facheux: 7:01am On Mar 12, 2016 |
Christianity is based on the falsehood of Jesus’ crucifixion which never took place, but was rather invented during the oral tradition. Paul asserts that Jesus was crucified, yet he fails to mention any details about this event which would later be recorded in the gospels. The Gospels are based on hearsay and not historical data based on a chain of transmission. For example, the Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are reliable because we can verify its authenticity by its chain of transmission! Also, we know the reporter’s name whereas the writers of the four Gospels are anonymous. Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, reported over 1,000 hadiths to us alone. She was a great scholar of Hadith and the Quran, but the Gospels are unknown, unreliable, and untrustworthy accounts which cannot even stand in the Court of Law. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Crucifixion by facheux: 6:57am On Mar 12, 2016 |
The ‘Atonement’ doctrine of paganism The Bible rejects the doctrine of ‘atonement’. We are responsible for our own sins: The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20) But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. (Jeremiah 31:30) Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert. (Psalms 28:4) According to [their] deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence. (Isaiah 59:18) For many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of them also: and I will recompense them according to their deeds, and according to the works of their own hands. (Jeremiah 25:14) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. (Matthew 16:27) 7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8 He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. (Micah 6:7-8 The doctrine of ‘atonement’ doesn’t make sense. The Church has turned Jesus into something very disgusting. The early Jewish Christians never believed in such doctrines like the ‘blood atonement’. The Bible teaches that ‘human sacrifice’ is wrong, a strictly pagan ritual, not a Jewish practice. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Crucifixion by facheux: 6:56am On Mar 12, 2016 |
Jesus made it clear that salvation is not attained through blood sacrifice, but simply keeping the commandments of God. 16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" 17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." (Matthew 19:16-17) Jesus never said “salvation comes through my blood”, he simply told the man that salvation comes through obeying the commandments. The crucifixion is not even mentioned or alluded to. The Old Testament says: Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. (Genesis 26:5) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Crucifixion by facheux: 6:51am On Mar 12, 2016 |
The Jews of Palestine expected the arrival of a Prophet who’d overthrow the Roman government and destroy the occupation, not to be crucified by them! Jesus made it clear that the purpose of his mission was to preach the Law and the Gospel (only) to the Children of Israel: Jesus replied, "Let us go somewhere else—to the nearby villages—so I can preach there also. That is why I have come." (Mark 1:38) But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent." (Luke 4:43) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. (Matthew 18:11, KJV only) For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10) But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13) “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18) Jesus was unwilling to die: Jesus escaped crucifixion because he did not want to die, that was not the purpose of his mission, and GOD saved him. According to the Gospels, Jesus was quite unwilling to be crucified, or even stoned: After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. (John 7:1) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (John 8:59) Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples. (John 11:54) And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt]. (Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42) Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; (Hebrews 5:7) Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16) The Bible teaches that false prophets must die: The Jews and Romans never crucified Jesus, or else the mission would have failed, the Jews expected the Anointed One to be victorious the way David (the anointed) prevailed over his enemies; he was also betrayed by Ahithophel. Jesus could not have been the Messiah if he were executed. The Bible explicitly teaches that false prophets must die: And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. (Deuteronomy 13:5) But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. (Deuteronomy 18:19) The crucified Prophet is under God’s curse: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God  that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance. (Deuteronomy 21:23)Amazingly, the Bible says that Jesus was crucified on a tree: The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30) And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: (Acts 10:39) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (1 Peter 2:24) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Crucifixion by facheux: 6:51am On Mar 12, 2016 |
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