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Appleyard:
Truth be told, we Christians have caused more harm to this world than whatever evil the Muslims can imagine.

No religion should bear the responsibility for what some elements do. They fought out of selfishness and not because of Christianity. Same thing applies to terrorist organizations calling themselves musliks

Akuruoulo:
Every terrorist and TERRORIST nations itself are crying to stop ISRAEL from ending Hamas .

Those nations knows ISRAEL better

Since when did Israel start listening to pleas? Bombing a poor country with zero air defense capability is one thing, but invading it with ground forces is a totally different game. They will be disgraced out of Gaza the moment they try that mistake. Urban warfare is not a respecter of "military might." Ask Russia and USA.

WriterNiiig:
⚡The Biden administration believes Israel lacks achievable military goals in Gaza, senior U.S. officials said. - NY Times

Sense is finally seeping into their heads. War is not what you play on your PS4.

Allthelight:
us has hundreds of surface ships attacking few does not mean anything.

I stopped reading when u said alot of ammunitions with 1 trillion dollars you can buy any weapon you want

It's like you don't know how overpriced US ammunitions can be. A big chunk of that 1 trillion dollars goes to salaries, aircraft carrier servicing, maintainance of their numerous bases around the world, etc.

HolinessForever:
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant speaking to Navy sailors at the Ashdod naval base after touring an area near the Gaza coastline: "Keep remaining prepared for the offensive, because it will come.

We are preparing thoroughly, it will be a lethal attack, it will be a combined attack from land, sea, and air."

This song is getting stale

huptin:
We both agreed that the African / Black issue is distinct, black christian neighbourhoods dont aq extreme christianity, they all belong to this new breed pentecostal churches, where everything goes. I intentionally and specifically mentioned the old school churches where the old time extreme christianity is practiced and you will agree with me that they are very peaceful.

Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and co dont practice extreme islam, they are very moderate. And they are loosening up day by day. The extreme islamic countries you know them, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan etc. Those are the ones where islamic fundamentalists reign supreme and you know how well they are faring.

I dont like religion, i believe most African christians are extremely stupid and gullible but i dont worry about them, they will not detonate a bomb tommorow and shout Halleluyah. But you see the moslems? Hmmm. They can kill their parents while shouting Allahu Akbra!!

You cannot be changing the definition of "extreme" at your own convenience. From my understanding, the problem of Islamic terrorism is not really about extremism but about interpretation, that's why you see ISIS, Boko Haram, etc saying other Muslims are infidels and vice versa. And speaking about the Middle Ages, don't tell me that you are not aware of the millions of people that lost their lives when different Christian sects were fighting among themselves in Europe.

Also, you are not correct in your classification of moderate and extreme Muslim states. The real moderate Muslims states are Turkey, Syria, Malaysia, Morocco, Sudan, [code][/code]Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, etc and to a lesser extent, UAE. These are countries that are constitutionally Muslim but they are very liberal and churches are even allowed there unlike in the case of Qatar, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the rest. The "extreme" countries and you mentioned all have one thing in common: they have faced decades of foreign-orchestrated war, and they were not like this before the war. Take for example, women in Afghanistan used to wear skirts and move around without Hijab until the Soviet Union and USA decided to turn it into their cold war playground. The same thing happened in Iran after CIA sponsored a coup there. Iraq was also in a stable state until they were falsely accused of building WMDs and subsequently invaded. Yemen was also peaceful until Iran started sponsoring their proxies to counter Saudi Arabia. What I'm saying in summary is that you simply cherrypicked countries that are facing the devastation of war and categorized them as countries practicing extreme Islam. The most extreme Muslim states are Iran and Saudi Arabia.

I agree with your last paragraph. You are less likely to be killed for religious reasons by a christian than by a Muslim. Christians are generally more tolerant and peaceful than Muslims, no doubt about that.

AyoII:
The ground invasion would be somewhat hard. Gaza, especially gaza city is an urban and very densely populated area. For context (densely as . Manhattan per square metre without the super tall skyscrapper). You also talk about vast network of trenches, which can make . Hamas millitias to pop up from any where. What about the IDF's exit strategy. All have to be put in the planning.

Exactly. Unfortunately, many people believe Israel can achieve this within a few months. All thanks to Netanyahu's chestbeating

WriterNiiig:
⚡Israel's defence minister Gallant at the shores outside Gaza says: "We are thoroughly preparing for the next stage, this will be a deadly attack, and an integrated one - in the air, at sea and on land"

Even Shekau didn't make this many threats.

aumeehn:
Stupid Man first ask Tinubu or Shettima your president or Vice president when they are going to wear the suicide vest, or are they not Terrorist too? Omo ale! Abeg Modibbo55 were you dey help handle this mumu man here seems he dey fear you well well I see he always run away from your mentions 😁😁😁

😂😂😂😂

seunny4lif:

Wait What

I thought people were laughing at Russia but Gaza that is very small than Lagos state, is now been feared

The problem is that many of them don't understand how hard invasion can be. Start explaining things to them and they'll tell you about the "6-days war" like programmed zombies.

WriterNiiig:
⚡Israeli Army Radio:

Israel has decided to "postpone the ground war" on the Gaza Strip until U.S. military reinforcements arrive in the region.

This should be enough to demystify the great IDF.

Masterviolence:
There's no doubt that Israel will still win if they lunch their ground operation over Gaza.
Note: Not because they're mighty but because they're strong militarily compared to the Hamas and Palestinians, and the backing and support Israel have is powerful compared to their foe.

The only determining factor here is that Israel is afraid, the fact that these guys planned an operation and even succeeded in the face of their over hyped intel agency is worrisome.
They're afraid of losing soldiers and the fear of the unknown that's just the truth.

They are likely to win but I wouldn't say their victory is certain, regardless of their military strength. In addition to facing Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Israel will have to deal with thousands of state-sponsored foreign fighters and that's a big problem for any military. In fact, I believe that they'd just do major damage to Hamas before fleeing in frustration. I do not see them achieving their objective.

DeathToSimps:
I agree.

All Muslim head slamming terrorists and their supporters want us to stop talking about religion.

Shame on them.

Nobody is saying you cannot talk about your fairy tales, but sections exist on Nairaland for a reason. Do you see people discussing Tinubu and Peter Obi here? Go to the appropriate subforum.

Masterviolence:
Israel does not have the capability to lunch a ground invasion as at now.
A ground invasion is not something that can happen any day with high success rate.
what Russia is doing in Ukraine is what no nation on earth have the capability to try.

Russia is fighting an army that have prepared for 8 years, 8 f**king years.
The Ukrainians are fighting with high determination, morale and support from the highest military bloc on earth, yet Russia is decimating them on the battlefield.

The last time America faced something similar was in Vietnam guess what?
They faced a vietnamese force that did not prepare for battle with the u.s but with determination and little support they sent the u.s home disgracefully.
Fun facts: In the Vietnam war, Americans soldiers with amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than in Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII.

You that understands the technicalities of war might say this, but you'll be surprised to know how many people (especially the fanatics of Israel here) believe Israel would just bulldoze through Gaza, kill Hamas+ other Iranian proxies while simultaneously pounding Hezbollah in the North and come out barely scratched.

WriterNiiig:
⚡Turkey has told the leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, to leave the country because they are "unwilling to appear to still protecting Hamas after the group's killing of Israeli civilians", sources say - Al-monitor

This is coming while they are still accommodating Israeli diplomats in Turkey. I've always said it; Erdogan is a snake.

HolinessForever:
Israel’s Defense Minister Galant at the Air Force's Operations Command:

"This should be the last maneuver in Gaza, for the simple reason that there will be no Hamas after it. It will take a month, two months, three, but in the end there will be no Hamas."

Same old story

WriterNiiig:
⚡McConnell calls China, Russia, Iran new 'axis of evil' that US must deal with: 'This is an emergency'

These supremacists are on another level of hypocrisy and madness.

WriterNiiig:
⚡A squad of Israeli soldiers crossed into Gaza, near Khan Yunis. Al-Qassam Brigades ambushed them, leaving 4 injured and 1 in critical condition, soldiers retreated.

These guys should do quick and start the ground invasion. We want to see if they can live up to the hype because I remember some people saying the IDF is better that Russian forces.

okeysoninv:
liar, na you did the counting . Which news outlet gave you the false figure.

If he'd said those were dead Hamas figures, you wouldn't have asked our hardworking OP this question

huptin:
I exempted the North Africans, their close proximity to europe is an advantage, plus they have oil and are not so populated and most of them practice moderate islam. They dont consider themselves Africans any way.

Congo, Zambia and Zimbabwe are far better than Somalia, Chad, Niger and Sudan. Africa is bad, however globally the more extremely islam is practiced the more poverty, misery, pain and war multiplies.

If a religion is good then extremists of such religion should be extremely good and peaceful, the reverse is the case for Islam. In the united states for instance the areas dominated by the extreme christian faiths like the Mormons, Baptists and apostolics are usually the most peaceful though most people consider those places boring. But hardly would you hear of things like drugs, crime or unrest in those areas.

There is something about Islam, i wish i know though, but there is something about Islam that is anti development.

How is their close proximity to Europe an advantage when the EU is not their biggest trading partner, and since when did having natural resources become an unfair advantage? Don't other African nations depend on exporting primary goods as well? But fine, let's forget North Africa even though they are Muslims and according to you Islam is the problem.

I agree that those countries are ARGUABLY better than Somalia and Sudan (as a result of questionable wars), but those poverty-stricken countries are not even nearly as good as Chad and Niger. Go and consult whatever statistics you like and get back to me. The poorest of the poorest human beings are in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Burundi, Mozbique, Malawi, Madagascar, Zimbabwe, and many other Subsaharan Christian countries.

If you go to USA, the most peaceful areas are christian areas but so are the most dangerous areas. Christian black neighborhoods dominate drug trafficking, drug abuse, gang wars, theft, etc. And if extremism is used as a yardstick as you've proposed then by your definition, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Brunei, etc are all violent shithole nations.

Again I would like to remind you that I am not even a Muslim. I am just not allergic to facts

huptin:
As bad as Africa is, christian dominated countries fare a lot better than moslem dominated countries.

Even in Nigeria once a moslem is in charge you are sure of one thing : the economy will regress.

Nigeria has had 4 recession cycles all of them under moslem leadership. Buhari alone supervised 3 out of the 4.

Compare moslem dominated states to christian dominated ones, as bad as Nigeria is, the difference is clear. Most moslem states have over 90% poverty rate. There is something about that religion that attracts poverty and misery.

The North Africans are exceptions only because of their proximity to christian dominated europe.

Lol.Please, stop making me laugh. Muslim dominated countries are far, far, far better than Christian African countries. Northern Africa is still the most developed region in Africa. List the Christian countries that are half as good as Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, pre-2011 Libya and Egypt. I'm waiting

And don't forget that the poorest African countries are Congo, Zambia, Zimbabwe, and so on. Which religion is dominant in those countries?

lanre316:
You forgot to add:

One side has higher percentage of Bible-believing Christians than the other

Thank you very much. Israel-worshipping Christians are the most irrational people I've ever come across.

WrriterNig:
⚡Israel has implemented a complete blockade of the Gaza Strip, - a representative of the IDF

"Israel is ready to move to a ground operation in Gaza at the time it chooses and will continue it until the objectives are achieved," Avichai Adri said.

I thought they were going to do this "in a matter of hours?"

okeysoninv:
if you're not careful you will be the last black president of South Africa . Anc is a communist party there is nothing good in them. The Lord will rescue south Africa.

The day the whites will attempt that is the day Boers will be exterminated from Africa

Ayodeoba:
In a simple sentence, israel bombed a church which killed over 50 worshippers.
Not even church is spared.

Hitler bleeped up mehn.

huptin:
Persia was a great empire, that ruled the world but Islam has touched it and like every other thing that islam touches it has regressed. The Iran of today is a shadow of itself, just like Egypt, just like the Hausas here in Nigeria, great people with great history but they have been touched by Islam and as sure as day, they have turned to a shadow of themselves.

The Iran of today is painfully toothless.

You have not refuted my claims on Iran. Till date, they are still more technologically advanced than every single black nation on earth. Without sanctions, you would be planning to Japa to Iran because your black leaders have failed you

Amd let me ask, why do we have so many poor African countries even though many of them have 90%+ Christian population?

Note: I agree with you that Islam, like other religions, is antithetical to development. Africa would be more developed if there was no religion at all.

Alamkir:
because your inerself like vawulence.....

Behave yourself

Guilty as charged.

tonididdy:
...no oh, Isreal is jesus's baby, they bible says so.
Same Isreal bombed the last church with christians inside.

Anyway it's NL and Nigeria religionist, that is attaching religion to this war. Neither Isreal or Gaza send Jesus or Mohammed rn.
Na who survive ....will live to serve the lord!

Lol. On the plus side, they bring comic relief to the thread.

WrriterNig:
⚡The Interior Minister of Germany, Nancy Faeser has stated today that Hamas Propaganda will not be Tolerated in Germany and that their Supporters should be Arrested and Deported from the Country.

Tomorrow, they will still be shameless enough to criticize their enemies for cracking down on silly, sponsored protests.

okeysoninv:
I am pro Christ. I'm telling you what the spirit of the Lord is saying. If you like take my words for granted .

Now this got my attention. Now as a pro Christ, tell me which is better between Palestine and the Zionist Axis.

One side permits same-sex marriage while the other doesn't.

One side permits abortion while the other side doesn't

One side permits gender switching, night clubs, fornication, etc while the other doesn't.

One side has a very high concentration of atheists while the other side doesn't.

Worst of all, neither side proclaims to be fighting for or against Christ.

Doesn't this make you feel a little silly?

dermmy:
That's it they are all wrong according to you. Even our slave ancestors who liberated themselves when they fought and kill their white slave masters who oppressed killed, raped and amputated their legs for centuries were wrong if we are to go by your "Two wrongs don't make a right".

The likes of slave liberators Toussaint Louverture and Jean Jacque Dessalines led slave rebellion in Haiti. The 1804 Haitian Revolution was the bloodiest of all slave rebellion of that era and Haiti was free and the Haitian Revolution even influenced slave rebellion in America cause it raised the consciousness of Black slaves everywhere that if their brothers in Haiti could free themselves they too can be free.

Your same black brothers in the US took up arms against their oppressors forming the Black Panther movement when they couldn't not take it anymore aren't they wrong after all according to Appleyard's yardstick.

Your same Black brothers in South Africa did same thing during the the apartheid regime aren't they wrong after all according to you? Even the French revolution has something to teach us.

Go and read about the history of rebellion. Their is a limit to which people can take shit until they rise up and rebel. It is embedded in our nature.

At least some countries in the Middle East are now saying the solution to the problem is to go back to the 1967 borders if Hamas did not do this we won't be hearing such. Though they still have a long way to go but they can't just continue to take this shit from Israel.

What should Hamas and Palestinian people do? since you always preach "two wrongs don't make a right". You are still avoiding this question.

Beautifully said.

WrriterNig:
⚡Israel bombed the Orthodox Church of Saint Porphyrius in Gaza, where people were taking shelter

This is a mosque disguised as a Church. Israel only bombs Muslim terrorists.