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sonofthunder:
Cc: Seun, lalasticlala

Whats this? Are u always this funny?

Butterflyleo:
So you regard your christian wife as crazy and having a crazy attitude because you believe she talks to an imaginary being everyday?

Do you sometimes wonder what has gotten into your wife's head?

Can you tell her?

Oga, i love my wife weather she is a Christian athiest muslim or pagan. Our relationahip has nothin to do with her believe. It is pure narural love which is from our hearts. I know this is bad news for u but i cannot help ur pain.
Desist from calling out my personal life on this forum. I am here to challenge beliefs and u are free to challenge mine.
I am serving this as the last warninig for all to see.

Anytime u mention my wife, i will see it that u need me to insult ur mum and will gladly oblige u. The choice is urs not mine.

hopefulLandlord:
@Anonynynous, There's a misconception that is prevalent here. Once anyone argues against Christianity in any form such a person is quickly branded "atheist". Menxer got frustrated with the constant slapping of the atheist tag on him by Christians and his case is not an isolated one

However I find it bizarre the kinda denial in that post you're referring to as its obvious to anyone with a thinking brain that he's referring to you as an atheist.

Its common sense really, If someone quotes this post and another person quotes the person to say " Don't mind him, he's a Christian that's why he's talking like that" its pretty obvious such a person is referring to me. there's absolutely no need for the mental gymnastics of saying he is referring to "someone else" I mean I understand dishonesty but that's plain old lying when evidence is right there for everyone to see! Rather than say "I thought you were an atheist" or "Okay, I got that wrong" which is understandable, what's the point of going to the thread to post screenshots? is it a case of abysmal level of intelligence or such person is too blind to see the evidence shows he was referring to you? This is childish level of lying and its good Muttley.laff finally stepped in when the dishonesty is getting too much for him to bear rather than go with the flow like Emmany.stone would've

Many chriatians are just angry people... butterylion is one of such. All they do is project their anger on atheists. In their mind they want to see u suffer for not believing in their God.
Imagine a Christian lady whom i was doing quite better than in life asking me if where i was in life(as per wealth) was where i was supposed to be just becauae i told her i dont pray.
They cannot be happy to see that things are going well with u. And u can see their anger in every statement they make, it is there in every word.
And so when u challenge anything they believe they quickly let their fruatration out. How ever, to conveniently insult u, they tell themselves they are doing it for god and also tell themselves that u insulted them(just because u are in total disagreement)
This is why they go all over the place saying atheists are insultive. But all my times in this forum i only see Christians forcing atheists to insult.
Felixomore used to do this, if he argues with u and cannot provide answers to ur question he will start calling out ur family, same with emmany who will immediatly take it personal and start wiahing u death. Butter's new tactics is to ask me fooliah question about my wife whenever i question his believe as if he knows anything about her.
The bad news is they still think they are doing the right thing just because are defending God
Thats why our society is going down.. segregation, hatred, killing, insults all in name of a God no one has ever seen.
The mind game u see here on nairaland is the battle field we face out there in the real world.

Butterflyleo:
So you regard your christian wife as crazy and having a crazy attitude because you believe she talks to an imaginary being everyday?

Do you sometimes wonder what has gotten into your wife's head?

Can you tell her?

Nahh, actually i regard ur christian mum as crazy... u know she is crazy right?

Butterflyleo:
Like I said, feel free to insult my mum after all the OP of this thread sees nothing wrong when atheists do so. I guess its because he knows atheists have no morals to hold on to

So why would I be angry with you if you insult my mum since I know the sickness you have is called moralomiasis.

Sha answer my question is all I want.

Do you insult your wife for being a christian since you insult other Christians on NL for serving a God you term as imaginary?

Are you silently angry with her and are just pretending? Do you genuinely love her despite you being an atheist and she being a christian?

If this is the case, then why do you hate Christians here on nairaland and call their God imaginary despite having one right in your bedroom whom you lay with at night?

I know it hurts u seein ur mum insulted, but somehow somewhere u.like it. Dont worry, all u need is mention my wife in an unrelated topic and ur crazy ass mum gets the heat. Afterall u like it and i have no time for peace.

So how do u feel about her crazy attitude of talking to an imaginary being everyday... do u sometimes wonder what has gotten into ur mums head?

Butterflyleo:
Like I said, feel free to insult my mum after all the OP of this thread sees nothing wrong when atheists do so. I guess its because he knows atheists have no morals to hold on to

So why would I be angry with you if you insult my mum since I know the sickness you have is called moralomiasis.

Sha answer my question is all I want.

Do you insult your wife for being a christian since you insult other Christians on NL for serving a God you term as imaginary?

Are you silently angry with her and are just pretending? Do you genuinely love her despite you being an atheist and she being a christian?

If this is the case, then why do you hate Christians here on nairaland and call their God imaginary despite having one right in your bedroom whom you lay with at night?

I know it hurts u seein ur mum insulted, but somehow somewhere u.like it. Dont worry, all u need is mention my wife in an unrelated topic and ur crazy ass mum gets the heat. Afterall u like it and i have no time for peace.

So how do u feel about her crazy attitude of talking to an imaginary being everyday... do u sometimes wonder what has gotten into ur mums head?

Martinez19:
if Yahweh could manufacture an accurate holy book and reign them down from heaven, like he did manna, this confusion would stop.

Isnt it fishy? The creator of the world inspires someone to write a book in one particular language but wants the whole world to read it only for him ro sit there and watch translators make a mess of the book. Yet he choses to blame man for doubting it bases on the bad translation... what even stops him from inspiring a more meaningful story?

nwabekeyi:
Stupid post

U just have to wonder how these guys reason sometimes

Butterflyleo:
When did I paint your family life as problematic? All I did was ask you questions. Questions that a simple answer would shut me up but you never answer. Could it be that you do not answer because you know I am saying the truth?

The moment you stop berating Christians on a faceless forum I will stop asking about how you handle your christian wife in your own home since that is not faceless. Na face me I face you be dat.

So I ask again, how do you handle your christian wife at home? If you can be this salty on a faceless forum toward christians, do you show her love or you secretly hate and detest her yet are unable to tell her to her face? Which is it?

When she wakes up at night to pray and asks you to join her do you decline or pretend to be too tired or you actually join her. When you join her what do you do? If she asks you to close the prayer as the man of the house, how do you pray?



Feel free to insult my mum if it would make you feel better but sha answer my questions.

Shut up... insulting ur mum is for ur own good... i know u like it because u are angry with her. Dont worry i am at ur service

Butterflyleo:
Oh you mean you resent your wife? Do you secretly resent her after all she also serves a "non existent God" as the christian she is. Is she insane?

Is that how you see her?

Lol... i can see ur mum has eventuallly made u insane. Why do u hate her so much? Is she such a mad woman? Are u angry she put u in this condition?

Butterflyleo:
Yet your wife is serving a non existent being right?

Have you told her? Can you tell her? Do you have the liver to tell her?

Do you always get mad at your wife for being a christian? When you do, do you show her? Can you show her?

I think she wears the pants in your home since you find it cowardly to tell her your mind right in your own home but she is not afraid to show her Christianity to you and call on this "non existent" God right under your nose and to your face all day every day and even right into your bedroom.

Can you beat that?

Nahhh.. actually u crazy mum serves a non-existent God..

She has put u in a condition where u go around about somthing that does not exist.
Do u resent her for it? Or are both of u insane?

Butterflyleo:
I never called your family out. I simply ask you questions.

You come on nairaland to berate Christians and say they serve an imaginary God yet you are married to a christian wife who also serves this "imaginary God". So I ask you, do you tell her to her face that she serves an imaginary God? Do you call her names and berate her for being a christian right in your home same way you do all day everyday on nairaland against Christians?

The last time I asked you this you said you were afraid of her divorcing you. This means she is bold to declare and practice her Christianity in front of you despite you being an atheist but you are cowardly and cannot challenge her in your home but you feel you have the right to challenge others ON A FACELESS FORUM simply because you have access to the internet.

Na lie I talk?

U ask me questions that tries to.paint my family life as problematic? Is it ur business? Is my wife the only christian in my life? Why did u chose to pick on her? How does whatever i do in my.life bother u? Have i ever asked u how u Christian lots behave in ur family how?

Christians stop me on the street everyday to preach both the ones i know or not, if i challenge them then sthey should bring my wife into it?

Well, u dont know my wife and i dont know ur mum... call out my wife.. then u want ur mum to be insulted...

I dont believe in ur God and i have ths right to challenge all the lies u talk about it... u bring my wife into it and ur crazy mun takes the heat

For me... l like when these christians insult and act out... it shows and open up their hypocritical nature. Isnt it obvious? Someones who knows he can never b like Christ will have the guts to condenm another to hell just to make himself feel Good.
Mr. Butter thinks he has faul mouth and can go as far as calling my family life out... he Will definitely get what he asks for

Butterflyleo:
Isn't your wife a christian?

Why do you come online on a faceless forum to fume when you are afraid to tell her the things you shamelessly say here to her face. You called me here by mentioning me so i wish to respond

Why are you scared of your wife oh high and mighty powerful Frankie the coward? Does she scare you or you are simply a weakling in real life who hides behind a faceless forum to form lion when you are just a little mouse

Is ur mum not a mad woman? She has put u in this condition where u will be defending a non existent being with all ur life... she just made u as mad her for nothing.. why na.

Do u sometime get mad at her for puttin u in this condition?

Butterflyleo:
Do you have the balls to tell your Christian wife what you just typed?

Are you still afraid she would divorce you?

Now he wants us to start talking about his mother... i know its itching u to get u mum insulted... afterall she is the one who put u in this condition... bring it on, i am game... i will gell u how mentally deranged she is

Martinez19:
na so. If the bible writers really meant round, it would have been translated round. The language from which the old testament was translated had sufficient wordings so that such simple description wouldn't have been misinterpreted.

If kanaph simply meant extremity, where did number "four" come from if they didn't meant to say four corners?

He he... his God that inspired people to write his precious book for the world to learn couldnt inspire the translators to write something straight foward and clear... even the holy spirit that was supposed to help people understand sat down like a zombie and watch man use his own wisdom to translate hebrew language the way he thought was right.... perhaps butterflylion is the messiah to give us the perfect translation..

Yet no one is opting for a rerwite of this book

vaxx:
it is not an assumption, it is from the position of knowledge. so the knowledge being true or false is base on human subjectivity. i face a similar question like this with a moniker named zahra, go thru the thread and post your question here... https://www.nairaland.com/4115579/why-there-something-rather-than

I really will not be patiemt enough to go through the thread as it os a long one... for now pls based om ir knpwledge that the universe was creates by an uncaused cause... can u confirm with prove that it is a singular uncaused cause? Further clarify where this uncaused cause lives and how it/he/they look like.

Butterflyleo:
What you Just said is like you saying the law of cause and effect does not make any sense.

What has law of cause and effect got ro do with a causless cause that u have never tested no can u answer other detailed questions on?

vaxx:
just like how infinite regress is a position of ignorance, the hypothetical stand on uncause cause is a knowledge base position.

how do u call assumptions knowledge?

since its knowledge why has butterflylion failed to answer detailed questions based on this knowledge or can u help him out?

so since ur hypothetical stand on uncaused cause, can you tell ur if this uncaused cause is single or multiple? Can you confidently tell me that God (the direct cause of the universe based on this thread) was not caused by the real uncaused cause(s)?

your answer will be very much appreciated

Butterflyleo:
I only saw one thing in all you wrote and that has also been scientifically nullified. That is that you assume the universe is eternal. This was why I told you that your position is 50yrs old and has been nullified 50yrs ago also.

The universe is not eternal. An uncaused cause is what is said to be eternal and the universe has a beginning.

Awwww... this makes no sense bro... I wish u actually responded to my questions in detail.

Butterflyleo:
Yes because the end purpose we see is an intelligent one so this means the origin was also intelligent as in intelligence cannot birth intelligence.

Also infinite regression being nullified automatically accepts an uncaused cause as the origin.

an infinite regression being nullified also automatically leads to a whole lot of possibilities:

- it could accept an uncaused cause as the origin
- it could accept uncaused causes as the origin
- it could accept that the universe is an uncaused cause

it could accept a whole lot of things. At the end of the day we can just assume and assume and still be wrong.

does the fact that science nullifies an infinite regression suggest that whatever caused the universe is one? does it suggest where the 'outside' the universe is? does it suggest how this uncaused cause (if there is one) created the universe? what if the uncaused caused has suddenly stopped to exist?

lastly how does the existence of an uncaused cause suggest we should worship it.

dont get me wrong, ur ASSUMPTION of an uncaused cause could be right, but it is not a fact and it lack so many details. But why it is important to you that is remains a fact is what i dont understand.

Butterflyleo:
It is justified by science since they nullified infinite regress regarding the origin of the universe.

It nullifies infinite regress regarding the origin of the universe so therefore lets pull AN intelligent uncaused caused out if our hats?

Butterflyleo:
It supports an intelligence behind the origin of the universe. An intelligent uncaused cause since it already nullified an infinite regress regarding cause.

Does it clearly state that this intelligence is one or a group or community of intelligent beings?

Where and how did it nullify infinite regress?

Gggg102:
The first cause could also be an unintelligent force. It could be like gravity but different. it might not be omnipotent, good/bad, requiring of worship.

The first cause doesn't need to be self aware or conscious/intelligent .. it only needs to be the first cause. it could also be multiple uncaused causes that resulted in the universe.
First cause isn't necessarily God/a God.

I think i love this reply... this should end the thread

vaxx:
i do not think it is all about Christianity only, even pagan, atheist everybody regardless of their faith and knowledge often justify the believes, wanting to ascertain or establish that their beliefs as real knowledge, not just that, and in doing so we nominate something else outside the premises as a justifier . we back it up or use it to support it. for instance Muslim back up the VALIDITY OF quran using ALLAH and that is their real knowledge status. for example , i believe the water is colorless, i justify it by looking at the water and i observed it is colorless.so if my observation is questioned, which means i have to also justify my observation( for example, how do i know that what i observed in the water is indeed colorless)and we repeat this infinitely, will it not become problem? in fact it will indeed turn to knowledge problem. read more on the concept called knowledge problem in philosophy online.

I am yet to see how uncaused cause is justified by anyone.

Butterflyleo:
Please stick to the OP or risk a ban for derailing. I am talking about scientific laws and arguments which support an intelligent purposeful origin or creator of the effect we see today and call our universe.

Does this scientific law and arguement supports that there is a creator thatbis uncaused?

MuttleyLaff:
Work with the filler, "God", for now

Even God's favourite response(s), when asked is:
"Why is it that you ask my name?"

The name by the way, is withheld for known reasons

So for this thread, we should assume the bible is a lie?

Butterflyleo:
Anybody who tries to derail this thread will be immediately reported so blame yourself if you get a ban.

Frank317 you have been warned

Whats this? Are u reall that scared of me? Have i said anything that deserve this?

Butterflyleo:
It is obvious that every single one of you atheists drink from the same cup of idiocy. So I will post the same response I gave to darkchild when he made the very same silly comment as yours.



That should sort out your problem

Uncaused cause still admits that God is caused. It simply means that God exists on his own, it does not mean he has no begining?
Since u are relying on science can u give a scientific prove of how God is uncaused? Where is outside the universe? Has science seen a place known as outside the universe? Is that where a community of Gods exists or wherw only one God lives?
I think the universe is the uncaused cause

My own issue is... if your God has a will, loves ro be worshipped, loves humans, and can get what he wants, isnt it funny that u (an ordinary human) are proving him to us (your fellow humans)?

vaxx:
i think we already settle this matter, infinite regression is philosophically and scientifically impossible. for example, imagine yourself to be a car driver ready to start a car, but before you start you have to ask permission from another driver behind you, but he has to do the same, and it goes on for infinity. Will you ever drive? If you do drive please explain how?

If infinite regression is impossible, why then do Christians insist that every creation MUST have a creator? Why do they insist that every driver must have a superior who he must take permission from