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Kobojunkie:
Please check your facts next time. Majority of the churches you listed above already have numerous FREE HEALTH programs running for person in poor communities and those who cannot afford. I can attest to that fact as I happen to have benefitted from one of those programs me for over a year. I got better care for free under those programs than I am getting now for pay. Stop trying to blame the religious right for this as if there are not enough votes on the other side to pass this, if they so wanted.

If you have a program with Nigerian churches, then judge them, not try to BLINDLY lop all churches together in one basket and think you score points by doing so. Now, about the Healthcare issue, individuals have their reasons for standing against this and on the major part, people are greatly concerned about how we foot the bill on this. No one is saying it is IMMORAL to try to take care of everyone. No one is saying that Universal HealthCare in itself is an abomination. The main problems here is that people are weary of having government handle yet another aspect of American life. They have seen the same government run Medicaid, Housing and even the welfare programs, and are hesitant that Government can do a good job with Healthcare for all. Another thing is with the huge bills and responsibilities we already have now, can we handle the cost of Universal Healthcare AT THIS POINT?

Ok. I did not know about the free healthcare provided by churches. That is cool.

I would not blame the religious right for healthcare, but their refusal to speak out when they were vocal about the Iraq war seems unfair to me. providing free healthcare to people in poor communities suggests to me that they shouldn't have a problem with the government extending this programme so that it has a wider reach (irrespective of the fact that the government in question is a left wing government)

About Nigerian churches, in the final analysis, they will take responsibility for their abuses. But it does not take so much to discover that many of the practices that have been abused by nigerian pentecostal preachers have been learnt from US evangelicals, especially the commercialisation of the gospel.

The thing here is that the arguments for or against healthcare stem from political/economic ideologies. I'm sure you know this already. The right believes that the government should take their hands off the economy and let market forces determine things. The left on the other hand believes that government involvement can be for good and can benefit many people. In the final analysis, the question is who benefits in either paradigms. If right leaning policies are followed, the elites and economic heavy weights (e.g insurance companies) are the ones that benefit. On the other hand, left-leaning policies tends to include people who would ordinarily be excluded. the religious right (which is the issue in this thread), I believe should be concerned about the fatherless, widows, the poor, downthroden etc and seek to expand their help. They should be happy that there is a government that is willing to do this.

The cost of the programme, I agree is an issue. This I understand is also the concern of many fiscally conservative democrats. Obama has already explained how he intends to take care of about two-thirds of the cost by correcting the inefficiencies in the system. He will still have to sort out the remaining one-third. Cost is a real issue here and Obama's argument about funding it can be debated. Having said that, I think that if the debate has revolved around cost, maybe we would have seen a more constructive debate that would yield trade offs and compromises. Instead what we have seen is the politicising of the whole thing. The thing is, Obama rode on healthcare in his campaign. The republicans know that it is his achille's heel of some sort. Someone even voiced the underlying motive of 'breaking Obama' and the healthcare reform failure being 'his waterloo'. Then there is the issue of the death panel lies (something that republicans themselves introduced in the bills).

Talking about the role of the religious right. If they are supposed to speak the truth, then I think they have a role to voice out what is true about the healthcare reform debate. Yes, it is costly, but so also is the war in Iraq and the subsidies paid to the Insurance companies. and sometimes, you have to spend heavily in the short term to make savings in the long term. I've not heard a reasonable refutal of the claim that healthcare reform will save money in the long run.

If the cost is the issue, why wont republicans stick to the cost debate? Most of the right-leaning media responses have been more or less scare tactics rather than real issues that are actually in the bill -which does not make sense to me.

Co-habiting to split the rent is not a bad idea

Please what is the criteria for topics gracing front page? because I think this topic is out of place on the front page.

@ poster, if you dont want to celebrate your birthday or share a few drinks, dont. it's not by force. Dont bring religion into this.

I personally have kept my birthday discreet for the past three years, except to quietly thank God and reflect.

nawtiichic:
pls, theres no need in tryna defend or feel sorry for her because it is very obvious and clear that she's in the wrong!

No body is saying that what she feels is right. The point is that it doesn't make her a LovePeddler or a bitch like some posts have suggested. As it is, no one is hurt yet (judging from her post), there is no affair yet (they are even in seperate continents). It's all in the realm of feelings and I believe the idea behind the post is to deal with the feeling -which I think is reasonable. Granted that she is in the wrong, calling her a bitch or LovePeddler will not make it right.

Chrisbenogor:
So let us get it straight then, is she wrong to be in love or she is wrong to tell him?
Plus do you not sense that it is the man who did not do his own research well before getting married to her?
If you were their marriage counselor and they were both sitting in front of you what would you be telling them?

Good question. . .sometimes I wonder whether some comments are coming from robots or human beings. Like they have never entertained nasty feelings. If she is my wife and discusses it with me, I will feel bad (no doubt), but I'll respect her for that -as long as I am convinced she is telling me, not to disrespect me but to deal with it.

mccloud224:
Secondly, she has obviously been having flings with her "friend" before the marriage to keep her yearning for more.

@mccloud224
There is nothing in her post to suggest the above assertion

All I'm saying is that you can advise her without being judgemental. All she asked for is an advise.

What you have written is a possibility, since some girls can be unreasonable. But another possibility is that she is a good girl in a bad marriage, having 'perverted' feeling and is seeking help. From her post, she could be like any normal girl who has wrong feelings, and wants to deal with it. She has only taken advantage of the anonymity of nairaland to express her feelings and seek council. Judging from her post, there is nothing to suggest that she has actually done anything aside from communicating with her best friend. So I dont see the need for the name calling. . .some one even added that she is a 'dirty slut' -which is unneccesary, in my opinion.

@mccloud224

I dont understant how you will write off someone seeking help and advice as being doomed. Even if she is up to some mischief and have really messed up, I think you should give her the benefit of the doubt and just advise her for the mere fact that she has asked for advice. Abi, person no dey confuse again?

Moreover, if na girl wey tear eye well well, she go do wetin she get for mind. . .no time for advise.

akigbemaru:
We don't want Seun as president " enikan ki je meji la ba" you want to give mantle of leadership to a programmer. He only needs to take a night off to write his program and come up with a power program to overhaul all our federation money in one single loot with his uncanny programming skills. I will rather let mediocre or nonentity governs than computer whizkid.[/color]

RFLMAO. . .Na wao. . . So programmer cant be president. . .You over funny

$osisi:
mandilee is now the target of the bride price or what?

It doesn't have to get to that point. But if it does, she deserves it, doesn't she?

davidylan will get my vote

C'mon guys. . . There are many things about the poster we dont know. Whilst there is a chance that selfishness on her part may have led to this, there are other possibilities, e.g arranged forced marriage, immaturity at the time of marriage (which may lead to her succumbing to family pressure), coupled with the guy's unpreparedness. We dont also know about how she is being treated by the man she is presently married to. Thus, I dont think it's right to 'criminalize' her for the way she feels. We are human and sinful by default. If she wants to be selfish and adulterous, she would not be seeking advice or counsel on this forum.

@poster
Having said the foregoing, I think you need to take responsibility for the committment you have made by getting married. The following might help:

1. Think about this situation in the sense of all the people involved and not just yourself -your family, your husband's family. your best friend and his family and God (if you believe in God). Thinking about people that will be affected, I believe, will give you a sense of perspective.

2. Like other posters have said, force your self to cut off communication with your best friend. Lose his number, delete his email address, remove his photos. Now this is drastic, i agree, but drastic situations call for drastic measures. I have personally done this myself after a break up and I know it is not easy, but it helps.

3. Have an honest discussion with your husband about this. Now, this one depends, cos something tells me that you are not in the best of relationships with your husband. To a large extent you will not feel this way if the expectation you had when you married him has been met. But assuming you still have a normal relationship with your husband, then the right thing to do is to have an honest conversation with him. Things like this grow when they are covered.

4. Pray about it (again if you believe in God and in prayer and after you have done what you should do yourself). Why pray? Because you want God to orchestrate circumstances such that your path and the path of your best friend will not cross. Sometimes we do the right thing, not because we want to, but because God himself is leading us in the path of righteousness for his name's sake.

mandiiee:
Umm Abakaliki is d capital, im from IKWO  L.G.A.

Hi Mandiiee,
I see you are from Ikwo. . .interesting! Mind if we connect on facebook?

Moyola:
Mind me askin hw old yu r?

exactly my thought.

@Post
art work

Cute

No comment,

Celestine Ihejirika, Jalingo - 22.08.2009

The country director, IPAS in Nigeria, Dr. Ejike Oji, said about 80,000 Nigerian women have been saved from dying in complications of abortion related cases within the past five years.


He also said over 34,000 out of 59,000 die every year from complications of abortion and pregnancy related problems.


Dr. Oji, who disclosed this in an interview with Saturday Tribune shortly after a workshop organised on Thursday in the state said at present, IPAS had introduced programmes in about 19 states of the federation and plans are under way to reach other states for similar programmes.


According to him, the organisation, which is an NGO, has also taken charge of training about 202 journalists in the reproductive health and rights issues within the past four years.


He said that the measure would go a long way in sensitizsing the public on the plights of women.


The director, who lauded government support to IPAS, said his NGO recently signed a bilateral agreement with the government as measures to compliment its efforts, pointing out that the organisation depended solely on intervention from the state Ministry of Health to achieve most of its objectives.


He, however, listed some of their major challenges to include unnecessary criticism of post abortion, politicisation of reproductive health issues and limited resources to carry out the programmes and implementation effectively.


http://www.tribune.com.ng/22082009/news/news13.html

Absolutely. . .abstinence exists! as difficult as it may be. . .

xqwysyte:
Small, Very small (Thinkin bout 50-70 guests, but wondering the workability of that considering all my mum's friends she would wanna invite etc), elegant, classy. The few thousands of naira i would save by inviting fewer guests would go into bringing out the classy elegant details i fantasize about.

Same here, I dont like big weddings

Honestly, I think the religious right or 'fundamentalist bible belt' get it wrong alot of the time. Even if they are not left wing on moral issues, I think they ought to support the healthcare reform. If they were vocal about the war on terror championed by the right wing, it would be hypocritical to keep mute on healthcare.

As an aside, I am of the opinion that 'commercialized' and 'elite' christianity that is being practiced in Nigeria is modelled after the American version of pentecostalism. The cabal of millionaire pastors have the likes of Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, T.D Jakes, Benny Hinn etc as their role models. SOme even go as far as immitating them.

I'll really hoping to see how the religious right will respond to this.

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April 15th Here, happy belated birthday everybody! Please update the list.

Yeah

diluting the 'Bleep' with 'ooo', temptation innit?

maybe

FILEBE:
Nairalanders is it okay to date a girl u av never seen before but do talk on phone?

it is not possible. cos 'dating' literally implies actually meeting or 'going on dates'. At best you will be friends.

& den a hero [b]cum[/b]s along, wit d strength 2 carry on & cast my fears aside

_{I saw the thread you dedicated to Pat. . .do you want to spend that on her?}

My problems? How?

Childhood folk tales. . . _{a lot of evil forest scenes}

all these speakment of wrong grammatic is beginning to annoys me. Did you goes to school at all?

_{it would have been a disaster if I really speak like this. . .Lol. . .God have mercy!}

Hook me up with a christian guy.

(from a friend after I gisted her about nairalist dating section)