LFJ: God, I know there is nothing you can't do, please provide jobs for our youths so that they can use their time wisely. Give them wisdom so that they can think wisely.

And please provide the overly religious with the SOUND mind to actually realize that it is through WORK not ceaseless prayer that a nation is built...that it is through DISCOVERY that a man realizes the world..it is through CURIOSITY and PONDERING that inventions are made...and that it is not simply through...cheap idle prayers that things are done.

Can I get an Amen nation builders?

0lumide:

You are just an illiterate trying to defend illiteracy with a degree. What an Irony. And I said an education by knowing more people of the world not by some "engineering" that can't engineer a better mind for you. YOU ARE AN ILLITERATE SIMPLE !

About being around Europeans. Well, I've been around them all my life. And like every other person, they have their good and bad. Yes their is racism but to say Whites hate us because we are blacks is a blatant fallacy

Illiterate would mean that I couldnt read nor write. Try to use the right insult when you try to make yourself appear superior - only to yourself btw.

It is not a fallacy you idio.t because the very basis of the definition of RACISM is SIMPLY just that: whites hating blacks JUST because. Why else would they hate blacks you foking moro.n?

And, I doubt very seriously that youre a threat to any of them, therefore you arent met with any resistance.

0lumide:

Really? Caste-System was designed by the brits? And not by Indian cultura/religious beliefs?

Please educate me oo...

No. You look it up. I refuse to humble myself to educate anyone with a tinge of sarcasm. Research it for yourself, and then educate someone that thinks like you..they have the answers, you dont obviously.

abiodunalasa:


believe me brother, it is very obligatory of one human to llke d other. Have we nt seen enough of war ?

So your thread was essentially a bait thread..a bait and control thread.

Bait: the white man doesnt like us
Control: but love him still

I cant take this seriously nor anyone that believes racism SHOULDNT be intelligently discussed seriously.

Im out

0lumide:

Our blackness?

Let's assume their is something special about our blackness that is spiritual and not just the fact that we can endure the sun more, do you think every White person that hates Black people know we have some "spiritual gift cause we are black" and that's they hate us? Bruh !! go school ! and I don't mean the one you pay for. I mean travel the world !!!

I am an engineer major at the top school in the U.S. Bruh, so your school retort is not a great comeback. Second, who is to say that youre BLACK for that matter? But, lets say you ARE..I never said I knew WHY they were jealous, I spoke on the WHAT, not the WHY.

You are not around enough whites apparently to know how they feel. When you get high enough UP the ladder or in their neighborhoods or see how they do black leaders...in their companies, youll see.

Your outlandish example...of some spiritual gift doesnt negate FACTS. Study the subject matter more before you attempt to come at me bruh.

abiodunalasa:


but now brother, we must move beyond this talks and embrace problem solving actions.

I dont think we have had these talks enough. If we had these talks we would be unified. You want us to mute an observation that weve ignored...at our peril.

This is not productive. What is productive is examining the root of that behavior and how it impacts our own world. I think THEN we could move beyond our petty tribal differences and see the world for what it really is.

0lumide: Whites don't like anybody not just blacks !!!

Neither do other races like them too.

but do other races like each other and whites don't like others? NO!!

other races don't like each other too !!

You think whites hate you? Go to India bruh !!!

India practices a caste system that was designed by the white british.

Whites dont like Blacks or anyone of color.

Just have a read of the isis papers by dr. Frances cress welsing.

gatiano: don't do it, never love back those that hate you. to put it in simpler term, " never love your enemy, never" and it is good to know ones enemy. the blackman is not another blackman's enemy. he could only be enemy to himself. the whiteman is blackman's arch enemy, the whiteman hates the blackman to the deepest core of all his bone's fiber. i can't discribe that hatred. now, the white married to the blacks might be somewhat different, but when it comes to making a choice, your white wife or husband will choose his own white people over his halfcaste child. the common whiteman on the streets of london or new-york is just and really can do no harm. but those in power, the embassy hate black people. brother or sister, if you black, they hate you o, no emphasis can discribe the hatred.

I agree with you. The hatred is strange. As soon as we realize it is our BLACKNESS not simply our Africanness we will be very shrewd. Now we blame our ethnic groups, poor planning, ANYTHING but the white supremacy that they are proud of!

They hate us o!

Lurcky: Exactly they have nothing good to offer us;
when it comes to leadership there is no equality at all, look at FIFA for example.
they dont respect us like we respect them, they only take our resources and better their lives and spit back at us and it pains me that our african leaders even the AU are doing nothing to check this.
These europeans and westerners are the main cause of all these jihadist groups causin trouble within cuz of their greedy lust 4 power and bullying.
White fowls and devils

Thank you. It is like we are the last black to know! They are strange. I will say no more. But we better wise up and get collective quick.

abiodunalasa: I am no racist, but I swear to God the Whites dont like Africans.
All they care is our Oil, Gold and Diamonds !
They take back a plane for every bycicle they give us.
They take back billions for every aid they send, or every economic relief mechanisms they offered us.
They tell lies upon lies about democracy, and then imposed it on us, knowing fully well that its the most perfect coy to keep the destiny of our people under their finger tip by sponsoring their puppet local politicians into power, who will continue to make policies that will everly keep our economy a subject of imperialism.

But we cannot hate them brothers, because we will be committing the same offense should we hate them back.
Black is beautiful. Black is inspirational. Black is no hypocrite.
Black is beyond hate.

One day brothers, the story of our people will stop being that of a"third world"or that of"underdevelopme nt", that of"Terrorism, hunger and ethnic strife".
Yes, these ugly adjectives will one day end. And we will become the conqueror, the victor and the champion we are destined to be.

But this could only happen if we will start seeing ourselves first as Africans, and not as Tutsi, Yoruba, Fante, Zulu or Ashante.
Our division brings nothing but easy control of our people by the White imperialists. And they have always instigate ethnic strifes, fatal tribal wars and community distrust among us, so to keep our people hopeless, and disgruntled without purpose.

Brothers,we must unite our hope, our struggle and our fight.
A house divided against itself cannot stand. The strength of the Wolves lies in their pack. Even the weakest men became strongest when they fight as one.
All for one, one for all, thats how we should fight brothers, thats how we can win.

And always remember brothers, the problems of Africa can only be solved by Africans in an AFRICAN WAY.

R. K. Alasa

I keep saying this. People accuse me of being racist, that is not true! Whites - be they arab, italian, french, american dont like Africans. How they treat the slave children indicates that. Whites use insults here to call blacks monkey africans. In fact, they tell the afro-americans to go back to africa, AS IF this would be an insult.

They just dont like the blacks. I think they are jealous tbh.

I was going to simply lurk. But, I chose to comment because I didnt want you to be made to feel strange like my nigerian brethern have tried to make me feel for not fpcusing on my igbo status but my black skin.

It is NOT in your mind. I agree with the black americans whites ARE devils.

I dont agree that we cant hate them. We better do like the chinese in terms of them. They are polite yet aware.

Why make it so hard on those of us that struggle for good o?

I want to come back to Nigeria with what Ive earned rightly as an engineer! Why this?!

All is still not well for a chieftain of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Chief Buruji Kashamu, as a United States of America’s Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, sitting in Illinois, has thrown out his application to stop the request for his extradition, thus declaring him a fugitive wanted in America for trial for alleged drug-related offences. Presiding judge of the court, Justice Charles R. Norgle, while delivering judgment in an application by Kashamu for a Writ of Mandamus, refused to quash an indictment issued against Kashamu as the court held that the indictment against him had no expiration date.


According to report from The WILL “Should he ever come to the United States, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, he could be put on trial in the Federal District Court in Chicago, since the indictment has no expiration date. “An original indictment remains pending until it is dismissed or until double jeopardy or due process would forbid prosecution under it,” the court held.


Kashamu had been charged in an indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Chicago, along with 13 others, with conspiracy to import heroin into the United States and distribute it, in violation of 21 U.S.C. S 963. He was also indicted both in his own name and under what the government believed to be two pseudo-names that he used, namely “Alaji”‎ and “Kasmal”. Kashamu had filed an application in the U.S. seeking to nullify his indictment following the refusal of a magistrate in the United Kingdom to grant a request by the US to extradite him.
The UK Magistrate had refused to grant the application to extradite him on the ground that the US did not conclusively prove that he was the same Alaji wanted in the US for trial. But the court noted that 11 other defendants indicted alongside Kashamu pleaded guilty, one proceeded to trial and was convicted, and another could not be found and remained a fugitive. The court also noted that despite knowing that he was wanted in the US, ‘Kashamu remains in Nigeria, living openly, a prominent businessman and a politician belonging to the ruling party.
The court wondered that, “although the United States had an extradition treaty with Nigeria, our government has made no effort to extradite him.” While asking him to buy a flight ticket to US to come and stand trial, the court said:‎ “There was a good deal of evidence against him. We noted in our previous opinion that among other bits of evidence, “Kashamu’s co-defendants who had pleaded guilty had admitted their participation in the charged conspiracy and identified ‘Alaji’ as the leader of the conspiracy.


Two of them identified Kashamu as Alaji in a photographic line-up, and in the extradition proceeding, the government submitted their affidavits to that effect. ‎In opposing the petition for mandamus, the Justice Department had told the court that “the prospects for extradition (from Nigeria) have recently improved and, as a result, the government is optimistic about extraditing Kashamu.” Kashamu’s motion to dismiss the indictment against him, the court further ruled, was premature, ‘as he may soon find himself in the district court in Chicago, able to present a fuller case that his right to a speedy trial is being violated.’


However, the court noted that it might be difficult to extradite Kashamu because be was a very influential person in Nigeria, saying “Given Kashamu’s prominence in Nigerian business and government circles, and the English magistrate’s findings and conclusion, the probability of extradition may actually be low.” On his part, Kashamu had argued that the threat to extradite him had prevented him from traveling outside Nigeria lest the United States seek extradition of him from another country, as it did albeit unsuccessfully when it found him in the United Kingdom.


He also said that the outstanding indictment had rubbed off on his reputation and had impeded his business and political interests in Nigeria. But the court stood its ground, saying : “These are reasonable concerns, but do not support the relief that he seeks from us. “He was indicted 16 years ago. At any time during this long interval he had only to show up in the federal district court in Chicago to obtain a determination of his guilt or innocence. “When a suspected criminal flees from imminent prosecution, becoming a fugitive before he is indicted, the statute of limitations on prosecuting him is suspended.


“Similarly, when a defendant flees the country to escape justice, the inference is that he didn’t want a speedy trial—he wanted no trial. And if he doesn’t want a speedy trial, he can’t complain that the judiciary didn’t give him one.‎” ‎The court found that the indictment against him to be very serious criminal charges, noting that one of Kashamu’s co-defendants was sentenced to 10 years in prison. “If Kashamu was indeed the ringleader of the drug conspiracy, as he may have been, he might if convicted be given an even heavier sentence–quite possibly a life sentence; 21 U.S.C. S 960(b)(1)(A), authorises a life sentence for a conspiracy to import at least a kilogram of heroin.
“If he wants to fight the charges, he has only to fly from Lagos to Chicago; there are loads of reasonably priced flights. “How then can he argue with a straight face that the failure of the United States to extradite him entitles him to dismissal of the charges? He can’t; and the petition for a writ of mandamus is therefore denied,” the judge ruled.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: you are African if your ethnic group is indigenous of the African continent ad is not found anywhere else
white, arabs , Asians &co are not Africans

Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Zulu,Xhosa, Baka, Khoisan Etc are Africans
this is our home, our homeland and we decide who is from here

I also don't see Caribbean and black American as Africans, they are westerners in "Black skin"

Good on bruddah!

I agree.

But, I count afro american and afro caribbean as African; they really didnt have a choice in the matter. <~ slight disagreement but thats probably because I live in their country.

But I am more so concerned with the europeans coming to our continent, buying our land and calling themselves African.

Yes! We decide!!!

Laya:

I hope most of the people who got heated wasn't Blacks or African Blacks themselves, in support that "Europeans in South Africa
are Africans"

Yup! They were bruddah!

I have since deleted a few, estimate 12.

I dont think whites that are in South Africa, Kenya or anywhere else are African
I count those that are black in skin as African.

They debated me on naturally born there. My argument? They are NOT indigenous nor are their ancestors.

Glad I found this.

I encourage all watching this to review actor Brian Coxs opinion:

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html?/video/world/2014/09/10/intv-amanpour-scotland-uk-rory-stewart-brian-cox-air.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fvideo%2Fdata%2F3.0%2Fvideo%2Fworld%2F2014%2F09%2F10%2Fintv-amanpour-scotland-uk-rory-stewart-brian-cox-air.cnn%2Findex.xml

Collynzo17:
This is more than just Biafra, maybe you need to read the article again.
How did Scotland fight the UK and how is it different form what all the sepratist groups in Africa are doing?

Here is an independent radio coverage http://www.k107.co.uk/blog/
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/

Such a good topic o. Time to reorganize our borders by OUR definition

pweedyuz: confused

Oh ok. Sorry sista. It started with my post on facebook. I said whites / european in South Africa are NOT African. So it got real heated. A lady said someone else just discussed this matter on a different forum, and she thinks that definition would suit us best...as to what is really African and what isnt.

What do you consider as African?

Is it simply being born on our continent?

Explain your thoughts, curious: what determines your Africanness, so to speak?



HERE IS WHY I ASK

BACKGROUND: This lady put the following on my facebook page (she claims that she got this from somewhere else in England); she knows I always talk about the definition of African


Again...
An African from Zimbabwe defined African as follows:

Re: How do you define the term African?
The only people I consider African are:
- Those who were born in an African country and have African family members and know which ethnic group they're from and follow some customs.
- Those born outside of Africa but have African family and know which ethnic group they're from and follow some customs.

For example: my cousins were born in England but to Zimbabwean parents, they consider themselves Zimbabwean first before British and eat Zimbabwean food and understand our language.

I don't consider Caribbeans or Afro Americans African though.

Even though I live in England I am African, it would be a joke for me to call myself European so why is it okay the for the other way round (white people).

What do you consider as an African?

Is it simply being born on our continent?

Explain your thoughts, curious: what determines your Africanness, so to speak?



BACKGROUND: This lady put the following on my facebook page (she claims that she got this from somewhere else in England); she knows I always talk about the definition of African


Again..
An African from Zimbabwe defined African as follows:

Re: How do you define the term African?
The only people I consider African are:
- Those who were born in an African country and have African family members and know which ethnic group they're from and follow some customs.
- Those born outside of Africa but have African family and know which ethnic group they're from and follow some customs.

For example: my cousins were born in England but to Zimbabwean parents, they consider themselves Zimbabwean first before British and eat Zimbabwean food and understand our language.

I don't consider Caribbeans or Afro Americans African though.

Even though I live in England I am African, it would be a joke for me to call myself European so why is it okay the for the other way round (white people).