Beat the odds by lil tjay

Kukutenla:

All this your copy and paste does not answer the question I raised.
Mind you, that's only one of the many immoral acts of Muhammed and yet, you're finding to difficult to explain away.
It is easy to claim anybody is anything.
What validate or invalidate such claims is their acts.

Yeah i don't have the time to stress my brain for this pointless argument.

GO AND READ ABOUT THE PROPHET!

Kukutenla:

I'm not interested in all this your adulation. All I'm interested in is the representation of Muhammed as a moral character.
I believe if you want to follow someone, then such person should be above board in terms of morality.
You haven't shown me how Muhammed is morally superior to other humans to call him the greatest human.
Any religious character with moral failings does not merit being called the greatest human.
There's nothing in Muhammad's character that sets him apart from other humans with such moral laxity

Prophet Muhammad the greatest man(ﷺ) was born in Saudi Arabia in the city of Makkah about 1400 years ago.Since then the world has not seen the likes of Him in every regard and the study of human history shows that there have been none better than Him before Him as well.

The key factor that brings reverence and respect to Prophet in both Islamic and non-Islamic circles is His character. He was the best in character and He also said about in one of His hadiths in the following way:

❝God has sent me to perfect good manners and to do good deeds.❞
[Bukhari]

The general notion regarding Islam and Prophet is that they both encouraged violence in people and were and are not in favor of peace. It is totally baseless, because the religion Islam itself is peace and Prophet was a lover of peace.

He wanted people to live in harmony and always encouraged people resolve their differences by opting for peace, instead of going for violence.

In one of His hadith Prophet (Peace be upon him) said:

❝Let us go to resolve the situation and make peace between them.❞

[Bukhari]

Thus, Muslims should spread His message of peace by giving examples out of the actions He undertook to ensure peace.

Whether it be animals, women, children, orphans, enemies, fellow Muslims, followers, elders, or it be anyone in the society, for everyone of them Prophet was considerate.

He would love children and orphans, He would treat animals fairly, He would give women their rights, He would respect the elders, He would provide what people asked of Him, thus He was considerate to everyone without any discrimination.

Prophet Muhammad the greatest man said :

❝I stand up for prayer intending to prolong it. In the meantime I hear the wailing of a baby and I have to shorten my prayer, being apprehensive lest my recitation of a long verse may tell upon the baby’s mother.❞

[Bukhari]

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I know a hypocrite when i read about one, but the prophet does not have that hypocritical character you're trying to implement on him, i wish you could try to view everything from another perspective.

Kukutenla:

Lol. What fake meaning?
It is something that is clear to the neutral mind not blinded by religious sentiments that it is morally wrong to disown one's son and then marry his wife under any pretences.
How would you feel if your father disown you and then marries your wife?

One's ADOPTED* son.

Allah S. W. T created the whole world because of the prophet S. A. W so i don't care bout whatever anyone says about him because i know everything about the prophet and i concur that he is the greatest man to ever liveth the earth, world statistics says so to; the prophet is the most influencial and most popular human ever.

Kukutenla:

And in what context was that verse?
Was it not in the context of zayd the adopted son of Muhammad.... Was it not afterwards he was disowned and Muhammad went ahead to marry his wife

I don't see any problem with any of that but if you do then i don't care..

Because you just seem to keep creating fake meanings from the book of God

Fear Allah

Kukutenla:

He disowned Zayd
Go and do your research
What's the law of adoption in Islam and what's the basis??

Adoption in its legal form is prohibited in Islam, but Islam allowed persons to cover needy namely orphaned children with protection and financial support. In other words, any parent can give the parental care and affection to a child without granting him any legal obligations such as inheritance.

However, the Quran gives specific rules about the legal relationship between a child and his/her adoptive family. The child's biological family is never hidden; their ties to the child are never severed. The Holy Quran specifically reminds adoptive parents that they are not the child's biological parents:

...Nor has He made your adopted sons your (biological) sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. Call them by (the names of) their fathers; that is more just in the sight of Allah. But if you know not their father's (names, call them) your brothers in faith, or your trustees. But there is no blame on you if you make a mistake therein. (What counts is) the intention of your hearts. And Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

(Quran 33:4-5)

Kukutenla:

Lol. But I'm this matter and according to what you previously said, Allah did Mohammed's will not what he, Allah wanted.
If Allah does what he wants, he could have prevented the marriage to zayd initially instead of the morally repugnant method of having Muhammad disown his son and marry his wife

You're literally going off point who said anything about disown? Where you heading to? you think you're manipulative right? Go and research on the prophet then comeback

Till then 👍🏼

Kukutenla:

You have not given any cogent reason why he is the greatest man to ever live or the greatest messenger.
It seems your god or Allah exists solely to attend to Muhammad's whims and caprices including his lusts. It seems he also bows to Muhammad's wishes.
But even at that, I must interject that Allah probably made a mistake. In changing his own laws to fit Muhammad's proclivities, he could have at least ensured there were two or three witnesses so it would not look as if it's Muhammad just making these things up to fit his personal longings. I think you'll agree with me it will be hard for anyone to believe Allah wanted to change his law to fit Muhammad's wish and he still chose to communicate that change through Muhammad. If a prophet were to do that nowadays, I'm sure you'll join everybody else to label him a fake prophet

That is why i tell you that Allah doesn't need anyone's witness, he does what he wants, he told us everything including the ones we think are the bad ones, he shows how great and magnificent he is, he does anything he wants.

Kukutenla:

You're just making excuses.
The question I ask is, in the eyes of morality and culture and tradition, is it right to marry the wife of someone who calls you father whether he is adopted, biological or even mere Foster?
There is something called conscience in man. Is it in tune with culture and tradition to marry your son's ex- wife?
If we all knock OBJ for allegedly sleeping with his son's wife. If Ruben was cursed by Jacob for trying to sleep with one of his concubines not even wife, how much more a man who claims to be a prophet marrying his adopted son's wife. How is that behaviour noble and best among all humans?

Prophet Muhammad is the greatest man to ever liveth the earth, the greatest messenger of Allah, the greatest creation of Allah. He is beyond whatever you can imagine.

God rewrote his own laws because the Prophet had a hidden crush on his adopted son's wife also because he was human and he had feelings, God willingly let the couples separate so the prophet could marry her. This is to show how much love the all father (God) has for the prophet.

Take some time and read about the Prophet and his teachings, you'll realise how much good of a man he was. He made everything about this life much much easier.

Kukutenla:

Really? What's wrong in marrying the divorced wife of your son?

It sounds ok right?

Oh that's not all, he actually disowned the guy cause he wanted to marry the girl

Technically speaking she was not his OWN daughter-in-law ; So the question itself is wrong. An adopted son is NOT in the place of an actual son.

An adopted son is a son from a stranger person. So when the adopted son is not the same as own son then how can adopted sons wife be someones own daughter in law ?

The prophet saws knew by inspiration from Allah that Zayed will divorce his wife and that she will be his (the Prophet’s wife). He, however, feared that people might insult him as someone who marries his adopted son’s wife, something forbidden in the pre-Islamic traditions. That's when the verse was revealed:

“And (remember) when you said to him (Zayed bin Haarithah; the freed slave of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) on whom Allah has bestowed Grace (by guiding him to Islam) and you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم too) have done favour (by manumitting him) “Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allah.” But you did hide in yourself (i.e. what Allah has already made known to you that He will give her to you in marriage) that which Allah will make manifest, you did fear the people (i.e., Muhammad married the divorced wife of his manumitted slave) whereas Allah had a better right that you should fear Him. [Qur’an 33: 37].

So the matter is Crystal clear to those who seek the truth; regarding those people who are INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST who try to tarnish the reputation of prophet Muhammad saws by concocting false and shameful stories to them my response is as below:

The ONLY RELIABLE source of information regarding the life history of prophet Muhammad saws is through Islamic sources and the reason for divorce and subsequent marriage to prophet Muhammad saws is mentioned therein - either you rely on a source of information fully or you don't...you cant take one piece of information from Islamic sources and then mix your own adulterated story in it and then start selling as authentic. Those doing so should be ashamed of themselves & remember that if you try to spit ion the sky it will fall on yr face.

More Proofs:

1) Prophet Muhammad SAWS was having no dearth of beautiful women to get married to. He could have got any women he desired for marriage.

2) He advised his adopted son to continue with his marriage when he was informed by him about his marital differences and his intentions to divorce his wife. [If he was really keen in marrying his adopted sons wife then he would have encouraged him to divorce her]

3) It was the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) who worked for her to get married to Zayed when he was his adopted son. Though she was not very keen on marrying Zayed R.A in the first place. (This marriage continued for 1 year after which there was divorce.)

So the dirty minds can only think dirty things, however we need to remember that he was Prophet of Allah and he was SINLESS and far removed from such filth & those who question his character are either ignorant OR themselves characterless.

He prophet Muhammad saws was the man of noble character and the best human being to have set foot on earth.

Kukutenla:

Here:

So what's wrong here?

Kukutenla:

Well, I already read the Quran. So keep your ignorant questions to yourself.
There's also nothing novel about the Quran. Neither is there anything in it that has not existed before it. Be it moral lessons or things about God.
As a matter of fact, the giver of Quran is the least qualified to give the world such book on religion or piety

The wonders of the Qur'an are too much for me to keep listing, you can google it and see for yourself.

Kukutenla:

Well, I already read the Quran. So keep your ignorant questions to yourself.
There's also nothing novel about the Quran. Neither is there anything in it that has not existed before it. Be it moral lessons or things about God.
As a matter of fact, the giver of Quran is the least qualified to give the world such book on religion or piety

THE QURAN (21:33)
Translation: “And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon — each traveling in an orbit.”

Notice this verse is written in the Quran immediately following the previously mentioned verse about the atmosphere. While there have been theories of the moon and planets moving in an orbit around the sun since ancient times, it wasn’t until as late as the early 1900s that science confirmed that the sun was in motion and revolving around its own galaxy.

Kukutenla:

Well, I already read the Quran. So keep your ignorant questions to yourself.
There's also nothing novel about the Quran. Neither is there anything in it that has not existed before it. Be it moral lessons or things about God.
As a matter of fact, the giver of Quran is the least qualified to give the world such book on religion or piety

THE QURAN (21:32)
Translation: “We made the sky a protective ceiling. And yet they are turning away from Our signs!”

Notice this verse comes just two verses after the previously discussed verse about the expanding universe. The atmosphere protects the earth from meteorites and radiation, while simultaneously protecting it from the freezing cold of space. It wasn’t until the 1600s that we discovered what the atmosphere is and what it contains.

Kukutenla:

Well, I already read the Quran. So keep your ignorant questions to yourself.
There's also nothing novel about the Quran. Neither is there anything in it that has not existed before it. Be it moral lessons or things about God.
As a matter of fact, the giver of Quran is the least qualified to give the world such book on religion or piety

The Expansion Of The Universe & The Big Bang Theory

THE QURAN (21:30)
Translation: “Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?”
THE QURAN (51:47)
Translation: “And heaven (is also a sign). We have built it with (Our) Hands and surely We are indeed extending (it) wide.”


It wasn’t proven until the 1920s that distant galaxies were receding from the earth and therefore causing the universe to expand. The idea behind the Big Bang Theory is that the universe began as simply a single point, then it expanded and grew as enormous as it is now, while continuing to stretch. The revelation and verification of cosmic microwave background radiation in the year 1965 secured the Big Bang Theory as the best theory behind the inception and transformation of the universe

Kukutenla:

Well, I already read the Quran. So keep your ignorant questions to yourself.
There's also nothing novel about the Quran. Neither is there anything in it that has not existed before it. Be it moral lessons or things about God.
As a matter of fact, the giver of Quran is the least qualified to give the world such book on religion or piety

You really think there's nothing that is in the Qur'an that has not existed before it?

THE QURAN (27:88)
Translation: “Now you see the mountains, thinking they are firmly fixed, but they are traveling just like clouds. That is the design of Allah, Who has perfected everything. Surely He is All-Aware of what you do.”

It is now a well-known fact that plate tectonics happened in the earth’s past, and are in fact in constant motion. However, the theory of plate tectonics has only been universally accepted as true just over the last 110 years, when the theory began to gain attention in 1912.

Kukutenla:

Lol. Go read about zayd, zainab and Muhammad since you say I know nothing about him.
If i give you the verse will you agree he is not a moral character worthy to be called a prophet?

Yes i agree

Kukutenla:

I didn't know quran is a compendium of Muhammad's life. I thought it was from Allah

You are really clueless.
Let me burst you brain.
Every single question you have about this world has already been answered in the Qur'an.

It's too perfect

Ask yourself this question

Why are you so scared of reading the QUR'AN, i mean it's just a book written in ink to you right? why not just research before believe what you hear?

Kukutenla:

I didn't know quran is a compendium of Muhammad's life. I thought it was from Allah
Go and read his hadiths. If you're not knowledgeable enough about the religion you claim is better, I wonder what stand you have to condemn another.

Now you want to blame me for your lack of knowledge?

If you really know what you're saying is true then bring forth any verse from the Qur'an or Hadith that approves your claim on the prophet Muhammad rasulullah (S. A. W), how could say something so absurd about a man who was so kind, i don't even know how to explain how great of a person he was.

You clearly do not know a single thing about him.

Kukutenla:

He engaged in murder, lying, sexual depravity, even took his adopted son's wife.
That's the kind of character leading you to God.

How do you know he did all the stuff you listed above?
Do you have a verse from the Qur'an?

aorseer:

1Corinthians 2:14

1 Corinthians 2:14 :
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

So this is your excuse? 😭
it's really sad how blind some people are..

Why does so many questions and contradictions come from the bible? Doesn't that make you flinch even a bit?

Kukutenla:

Lol. A Muslim wants to mock a Christian of blindness. Who is more blind than one who follows Mohammed who was known to commit almost all immoralities and deviations known to man. If he can't beat men's standard, tell me how he can measure up to the supernatural.
Logic in the mouth of a Muslim is like acid to a base.

Can you list those immoralities deviations?

ItsReal:
The Bible's Greatest Miracle - how it works.



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1. If you are a Christian, read the Bible over and over. Read every word, every sentence, every verse. Read all the books in the Bible.



2. Soon, you will either turn into

a) Atheist

b) Muslim or

c) Donkey



That's the Bible's greatest miracle.



Most ex-Christians, especially those who knew the Bible by hearts either became Atheists, Muslims or Donkeys (unsound mind)



WHY?



For example, ask these questions, then answer them yourselves



Who is God? Jesus. Where did Jesus come from? From his Father? Who is his Father? God. How many Gods?



Now, repeat the process and you will start to feel the wonder of madness sipping through your body



Next.........



Who is Mary? She is Jesus' mother. Who is Jesus? he is God who creates everything? Who creates Mary? stop..no more stupid question !!!!



Next........



Is Jesus God? Yes? Does God pray? No. Did Jesus pray? Yes. Whom did Jesus pray to? Jesus prayed to God the Father. How many Gods? One. Who is God? Jesus.



repeat and the warm of madness will slowly creep to your mind..and soul...



Next.......



Jesus was not made into God. He was already God. Was Jesus already God when he was in the womb? - no answer

Like i been asking myself too
How can a human be so dumb, i mean how can you live in this mysterious world without asking yourself all these questions above.

Wagwanbrethren:
The story of God sacrificing his son is flawed for a number of reasons. First, it is not clear why God would need to sacrifice his son in order to save humanity. Second, if God is all-powerful, why couldn't he have found another way to save humanity without sacrificing his son? Third, the story of God sacrificing his son is based on a number of myths and legends that are not supported by any evidence. Finally, the story of God sacrificing his son is not consistent with the teachings of Christianity.

God having a son can never make sense, it's clearly unimaginable and disrespectful

Kobojunkie:
1. A man, for the umpteenth time, comprises a mind, body and soul. The verse you quoted said a man was created. End of story!

Mind body and soul? or Spirit body and soul

So you think the soul was created from dust and it's not physical to us?

Do you even know that we're God's perfect creation? we're even better than the best Angels and the Devil himself.

You insult God by not seeing the bigger image, He created you to be better than this.

We're are God's greatest creation ever!!
You should at least realise that whatever God creates, surely has a solid proof.

The soul should be visible to us if it was really created from dust.

Kobojunkie:
The verses you already quoted tell you all you need to know. God created a man from clay, not a soulless thing, right?,

You bring me a verse that says our soul was created from dust

Kobojunkie:
1. This is why I warned you not to mix the two beliefs together or you confuse your own self. I have already more than expounded on how Genesis 2 vs 6-7 reveals that the soul of man was created from the physical elements of this world. The breath of God which God put into man(complete as he was made) is God's very own spirit of Life and that Life returns to God after a man dies. That breath of Life that God put into man's nostril is not of man's property but God's very own property and it remains so for the entire lifespan of man. That is why in Genesis 6 vs 1 - 4 God indicated that His Spirit will not be troubled with a man forever as He will allow them to live for a period of 120 years indicating that the Spirit of Life in man will only stay with a man for a period of about 120 years at most, after which it returns to God. Now, the same breath of Life that God breathed into man is also the same that God breathed into every living creature out there - Genesis 7 vs 15. So unless you are attempting to tell me that a virus or an amoeba also possesses a soul much like yours, I suggest you stick to analyzing that which is in fact written rather than trying to spew back tales that have no scriptural bearing to them.

2. Stop trying to combine ideas that don't connect at all.

Genesis 2:6
but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground


Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.


Now I've saved up some energy for you.
These verses you dropped do not defend your words in anyway. If you truly believe that our soul isn't God's breath then you must drop a verse from the Bible that states how our soul came to be.
I have more proofs for you


Zechariah 12:1
and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Thus says God, the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it.

Kobojunkie:
1. I already made it known to you that both beliefs exist on different parallels so there is really nothing to try.

You think so?

Kobojunkie:
1. The God of Israel only sent prophets from Israel to only the people of Israel. Jesus Christ explained that John the Baptist was the last of such kind that was sent by the God of Israel- YHWH

Can you point out the verse?

Kobojunkie:
1. In Genesis 2 vs 6- 7, you are told that God made man(mind, body and soul) from the physical clay of this world. And it was God's breath that then went into the nose of man(mind, body and soul) to animate the man(mind, body and soul). So when in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 you were informed that from dust you, [b]man(mind, body, and soul) [/b]were made, it is in reference to the fact that your mind, your body and your soul were all in fact made from the physical clay or dust, and all that you are will be decomposed and returned back to the dust.

God created us from soil and water then he put soul inside us afterwards.

From Bible:
Genesis 2:7
then the LORD God formed the man* out of the dust of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

From Qur'an:
Surah Al-Hijr: Ayah 26-29
And We created man from a sound-giving clay made of decayed mud. [26]
And when I form him perfect and blow in him of My spirit, you (Angels & jinns) fall down before him, prostrating.” [29]

Humans became a living thing only after God blew breath of life (soul) into us.

Soul wasn't created it was blown into us

Kobojunkie:


2. I am afraid you can't.

Try me

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong again! All of those outside of the Law were judged and condemned by God to perish in the grave-- from dust you were made and to dust you shall return - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. When they die, they cease to exists. God never changed His mind about that even after Jesus Christ , so it remains God's judgment against the unbelievers to date.

Do you really want me to keep explaining the verses to you..
Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 is talking about our physical body not our soul.