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Ever since I took this mantleship of speaking out, I have understood one tin in life, Christians of now don't care about any body but them self, all dey care about is there self and there family, a lot of people has told me, " fredrick leave all dis matter and focus on ur life and make it" but is dat wat christianity is all about, were prosperity is termed righteousness, why d poor is termed unholy people cos the don't have the coin to show case, wat is happening. 99 percent of Christians we have today don't practice the true gospel hence dey prectice wat I call "Family Christianity" where dey serve God and pray for prosperity in favour of their family, their are some cases where their family are wrong instead of speaking up they bend the scripture cos their family is involve but stand firm wen its other people. Another tin is as far as dey are comfortable, financially, educationally, emotionally then to hell with others, is this wat our lord jesus christ stood for. Who is den speaking for the poor, who is den standing for that girl dat hav no family, the guy that his mom and dad are poor and no coin to show case. This are d type of message our churches should teach nt seed sowing, tithe and curse if nt paid, 1st fruit, middle fruit nd last fruit cos dis tins benefit dem. GOD HELP US An honest lad speaking OUT

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Symptoms of fever.

Sowing right, to d building(church) or d poor. If to the poor fine I agree but d building is a no no.

AnalyticEngine:
They won't quote these scriptures because it will impede the flow of cash into their mansions and private jet account

U are very right, and it pains me cos dey don't have d common man @ heart

Joagbaje:
They should not build where they worship God ? He has pleasure in those who build his place of worship .

Haggai 1:7-9
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Consider your ways.
Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house;
and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the Lord.
Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little;
and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it.
Why? saith the Lord of hosts.
Because of mine house that is waste,
and ye run every man unto his own house.



Tithe is to God not to the poor. What God commands to the poor is alms.



Not true . There are different kinds of givings in a Gods kingdom. Alms to the poor is only one of them. Jesus talked about giving of offering ,tithes ,alms ,giving to God and giving to your parents ,giving to fello believer and giving to the man of God. Jesus himself received money . He had a treasurer .



It's an assumption. No pastor will say that. If we give for the poor we get the benefit that comes with it. If we give to man of Gid ,we get the blessing of the prophet . If we give to parents we live long . If we give tithes and offerings devourer is rebuked and more doors are open . If we give to build where we worship God . He will have pleasure in it and pour more blessing too

Summary of everytin u just said, they said wen did we c u and nt feed u, cloth u and help u and he said giving to d poor is same as giving to me. In d old testament God dwells in a building dats why its was called temple where people go and worship him dere, but now he is no longer in d temple but in us. A church is nt a place where u worship God, a church is a place where u learn hw to worship God, just lik school. So get ur fact right.

Lastly jesus told dem I will destroy d temple and rebuild it in 3 days. U knw d rest story. Giving my tithe to d poor and my first fruit to d poor is same as giving to God get dat

Joagbaje:
They should not build where they worship God ? He has pleasure in those who build his place of worship .

Haggai 1:7-9
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Consider your ways.
Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house;
and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the Lord.
Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little;
and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it.
Why? saith the Lord of hosts.
Because of mine house that is waste,
and ye run every man unto his own house.



Tithe is to God not to the poor. What God commands to the poor is alms.



Not true . There are different kinds of givings in a Gods kingdom. Alms to the poor is only one of them. Jesus talked about giving of offering ,tithes ,alms ,giving to God and giving to your parents ,giving to fello believer and giving to the man of God. Jesus himself received money . He had a treasurer .



It's an assumption. No pastor will say that. If we give for the poor we get the benefit that comes with it. If we give to man of Gid ,we get the blessing of the prophet . If we give to parents we live long . If we give tithes and offerings devourer is rebuked and more doors are open . If we give to build where we worship God . He will have pleasure in it and pour more blessing too

Summary of everytin u just said, they said wen did we c u and nt feed u, cloth u and help u and he said giving to d poor is same as giving to me. In d old testament God dwells in a building dats why its was called temple where people go and worship him dere, but now he is no longer in d temple but in us. A church is nt a place where u worship God, a church is a place where u learn hw to worship God, just lik school. So get ur fact right.

Leviticus 27:30
“Every tithe of the land, whether of the seed
of the land or of the fruit of the trees, is the
LORD's; it is holy to the LORD.

2. 1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of every week, each of you is
to put something aside and store it up, as he
may prosper, so that there will be no
collecting when I come.: dey will nt even understand why dis statement was made but will b quick to quote it wen it comes to cajoling

3. Philippians 4:19
And my God will supply every need of yours
according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.:- after they hav finish cajoling you dis is the common scripture dey use in consoling u.

4. Deuteronomy 16:17
Every man shall give as he is able, according
to the blessing of the LORD your God that he
has given you.:- dey always quote dis scripture a rich man just entered the church, dey knw full well dat coin must drop

5. Malachi 3:10
Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that
there may be food in my house. And thereby
put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I
will not open the windows of heaven for you
and pour down for you a blessing until there
is no more need.: this is the most common scripture every pastor knws it wen it comes to cajoling and collecting of coin. Hahahhaah I laf.

Joagbaje:
It's an ussumption. Nobody put a gun on this head to give . Everyone still have a choice .

Does everyone give ? If a pastor share on the benefit of receiving why would you call it cajole? Jesus shared the benefit giVing likewise apostle paul .were they cajoling the disciples also?

To give to the poor nt to the church building, hw many pastor has told u to give ur tithe to the poor, jesus taugh his disciple to give to d poor nt to him. Why ours will tell us if we don't give to the course ( building d church) God will nt bless us dats cajoling

Joagbaje:
except your giving wasn't done rightly . if you give bible way . you will rather have more. stop seeing your giving as "church collected your money" if i give to worship God i should talk as if theres regret. such giving has no blessing

U don't get my statement, a lot of christian are being cajole day by day to give, dis people don't want to but because d pastor attach blessing to it den dey hav no option.

Ways to collect coin

The reason why we should speak up concerning dis GO's is cos the upcoming pastors are following dere foot step. U see dem open a new place of worship and instead of focusing their attention on the spiritual building, dey want to quickly be a G O nd dats make dem start demanding coin from d poor and wanting to open branch here and dere. I will continue to speak up till my last breath. Cos people are really suffering cos of dere attitude towards the coin of the poor

and no humanitarian services attach to biography, lik he is d found of winners orphanage home, all am seeing is business ventures lik primary and secondary school and uni all expensive.

The first commenter is saying dats my papa
Papa dat u cannot even attend his primary, secondary or uni

SMH

Niggas need to beware of karashika

Joagbaje:
you have your own role to play. reach out to them. just as the churches do what they can. we can't fold our hands and tell others what to do with their money

Hw can we help dem wen d church has collected our coin through tithe, offerings, sowing and first fruit and I still hav to feed. Hw?

Wen a man get married to a bad woman d devil leaves him alone cos he knw d man is finished already. Tee bliz kpele

ScofieldBello:
Have you asked;
1. What is God's standard?
2. What is a Bride price?
3. What is marriage?
Get answers to the above questions and you'd be good to go....but let me make you ponder on these:

**Main marriage IS NOT public declaration as you put it. Main marriage is the man and woman living together for the rest of their lives!

**Wedding is not necessarily done in the open as it is everywhere in Africa. Wedding is announcing that the two of you want to become one, in the presence of selected witnesses (at least one), with or without the consent of your respective parents and the union may or may not be ceremoniously blessed by anyone (preferably pastor, priest, Imam, elder, etc). This may not also happen in a sacred place....it could be anywhere - church, mosque, appropriate court of law, temple, parlour, open field et al. Note that if there's a law in the location or country where this is taking place, it must be obeyed!....and that is court/magistrate kind.

The OP is not open-minded and that's why s/he thinks that way.

By the way, what is God's standard? How have people in your village been getting married before your religion, a mind control mechanism, came through?

I read where you wrote - that you've paid bride price doesn't mean God and public have approved the marriage - and I could not help but laugh out loud! Only myopic mind(s) think like that.

How do you know when God approves a union sir? What happens if the public doesn't approve of the union?
Hey, the law is what recognises the two of you. Pray that God helps both of you to pull through! God dwells where LOVE abounds.


THINK OUT OF THE BOX!

How come the unions of MoGs crumble too? Is it because they were not done in God's presence or not approved by the public?

I am nt d writer, I read it too and d write up is full of ignorant words, cos d writer head no correct @ all

Joagbaje:
The church does more charities than government . churches go to hospitals ,motherless babies home, old people centre, prisons and the inner city,just to mention few. as i said , few who publicised such good deed were criticised

What about does poor folks dats don't hav access to dis places, wat become of dem

U can imagine wat dis nigga pasted on facebook.

Should One Have Sex Once The Bride Prize Has Been Paid...Pending The Main Marriage This issue has been a bone of contention for years now. While some school of thoughts believe there is nothing wrong in having sex once the bride prize is paid, others strongly believe that the two people involve must undergo public declaration(main marriage) first before sex can be introduced. However it is, we must not forget that for marriage to be called marriage, that is, for the two individuals to be well recognised by the public as husband and wife, 1...the bride prize must be paid, 2...The public must recognised them (traditional marriage), 3...They must be recognised by God (Wedding or blessed marriage...as the case may be). The bitter truth is that no matter how some custom twist it, bride prize alone doesn't guarantee sex. Before you can be qualified to undergo sexual relation with someone, you must first fulfill the above three criteria. That your pastor, your church, or your culture permits having sex after paying the bride prize doesn't change God's standard. Bride prize is a gateway to be recognised by the parents of the would-be wife... After your intention has been made known to the parents, it's now left for the public to be made aware...(traditional marriage.) It follows that not until God approves the marriage(that is, through wedding, which also go with court wedding), you are not recognised as husband as wife. To make something clear here, not even an engagement, nor traditional marriage is the condition for sex. You have to understand that while bride prize makes known your intention to the parents of the lady in question, marriage makes your intention known to both God and the public. All because you make known your intentions to the parents by paying bride prize, doesn't doesn't mean God and the public have approved it. Remember...no matter how you change God's standard to suit your selfish need...God's standard remains the same... However it is, I'm no omniscience to all knowledge...I stand to be corrected...

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I knw with my new found way of life I would lose a lot of good people and old time friends in my life, but I have found a purpose, which is to put smile on people's face and speak up with things am nt comfortable with in my father's school (church) The church should b a symbol of hope in all facet of life, the church should be a place u run into and find comfort with no just words but food and clothing but today same tin jesus kicked against is happening in my fathers school, stealing, segregation, fighting and corruption. If u are nt wealthy and well to do u won't b knw in d church or made a pastor. I have left d ignorant once dat turn blind eye to dis things hiding behind "touch nt my anointed", the church is suppose to ease d pain of the masses in dis end time but dey are clearly doing d opposite. The norm is immediately a new church spring up dey focus all dere effort in building the physical building and nt minding the spiritual dat will force dem to b deceptive and canjole the poor masses to part with their coin even if the spirit is saying other wise. I knw a lot of people will hate, insult me, tell me am posses, tell me am cursed and spit on me, I always smile cos same was done to my father (jesus) wen he spoke up concerning d things d pharisees where involved in, am nt judging anybody am just speaking up for dat man dat sell tooth brush @ d junction to feed his family, dat woman dat run after bus selling lacasera, d old woman dat seat @ d back sit in d church nt knw for many years cos she is poor, d young lady that's tired of life and all dey offer her is God will do it and dat guy the seat in d church all His days without anybody giving a dam who he is cos he gat no coin, I pray God give me dis strenght to go on. Like wat pastor joseph ohio will always on the alter back den wen I just gave my life to christ, prosperity is nt hw many cars u have or house u built but hw many people u hav put smile on dere face . Dats the part I want to walk So help me God
Please don't mind my mistakes

Izen:
You know she's from a well-to-do family right? Don't be too quick to judge please.

Well to do ko, do to well ni
My friend shatap ur mat dere

esxty:
I don't knw if he practice it,just saying he do preach it.

U don't even knw if u ur pastor( leader) practice it chai!!!!!

Long talk Ur parent saw he was rich forget all dis love u dey yan. U see money period.
Who will marry a poor papilo with heart condition.

debonairprinx:
Exactly my point.........ANSWERABLE TO CHRIST. We all are, so why don't we just let him pass the judgement according to His standards in regards to our works.

And about being ignorant, surely am not. I segmentalize the world's moral standards from the spiritual standards, I understand that the universe is bigger than what we see, and the existence of life rest on God's words through creation.
I urge you to discuss constructively rather than you conclude on someone else's mental ability or understanding, to be sincere I have nothing to prove to you......just stating my opinion, as much as I respect yours and reason it out from your perspective. God bless you.

Lik dey will teach christianity is a family, and in a family if u see ur elder brother misbehaving wat do u do. Cos ur elder brother is senior to u does it make him more important dan u in d family or has special Annionting or wat. Speaking up and judging is 2 different tins. Dey don't practice wat dey preach and am sick and tired of dem all, people are dying cos of dier wrong. D bible say d people perish wen d Christians do notin.

esxty:
my pastor do preach all this

Preach it and practice it abi or just preach it for d members to practice it

debonairprinx:
Well,that may be true in some cases, but I rather refrain from castigating Men of God, just so I won't offend the holy spirit. There's an anointing on them, and that's what we should recognise.
Have a glorious worship in church my brother.

But jesus and d disciples spoke on d behavior of the pharisee cos dere behavior is same as the G O we hav nw. If u don't talk and I don't talk who will den speak for d poor and help dem. Enough is enough

Joagbaje:
why do you think pastors don't quote them .whats the big deal about the verses. do you know how much charities churches do. is it because they don't publicise it? even if they publicises it for the sake of people like you, you people will still attack them saying its for show quoting 'do let your left hand see what the right is doing

Charities to only a selected place of dier own choice right. Dey do charities by building university dat the poor can't attend or secondary dat d poor can't attend. An example of charity is tabitha.

matrix199:
One pastor bought a plane, others joined and made it a trend.


One pastor established a university, others joined and made it a trend.


They know how to quote Malachi 3 vs 8 when it's time for offering and tithing. But won't quote Luke 12 vs 32, Luke 14 vs 12.

God bless u for dis wonderful words.

debonairprinx:
Some pastors do..............Don't generalise by the few you know.

These are instructions from Christ to we christains, he mentioned the fact that the poor will always be in our midst, same also with the parable that emphasises on our gestures to the poor that Jesus Christ see as one to him also, either negative or positive.

Sadly, some christains exhibit christainity as a show of affluence more than providence. God's rule and instructions are clearly stated, AS IT IS, SO IT WILL BE. Modifications the 21st century are introducing berates the existence of Christ sacrifice for the redemption of our sins.

Well,salvation is personal, and we should start seeing it like that rather than conforming to the morality of the world. God's spirit rest upon us all to do what's right, just and acceptable before God..........
AMEN!!!

Even if dey do read it, dere explanation will differs. Dey will explain to suit only members and not demselves