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ocnovakmichael:
I intuitively knew this as a student I of science: no teacher taught me that the atom has a miniature samblance to the universe.
Solomon a wise man once wrote, "there is nothing knew under the sun." Put slightly differently, nature repeat itself. Differences occur due to varying degree of variation in the DNA/nucleus.

Bro. It even goes deeper than that. Even a cell shares similarities with an atom.

See the attached screenshot.

Anyone who thinks this universe has no designer is indeed doing himself a great havoc.

This shows that there's a pattern, a rule and a single source of truth from which everything came into being. And, there indeed was Someone who programmatically designed the rules and the patterns. These expansive similitudes cannot be accidental. They can only be deliberate.

AntiChristian:
Jesus' Teaching:
**Jesus emphasized following the commandments (moral and ethical living) as foundational.
**However, he also called for personal discipleship—a radical commitment to follow Him, which could include sacrifices such as giving up wealth.
**In the story of the rich young ruler, Jesus highlights that obedience to commandments alone is not enough; wholehearted commitment to Him is essential.

Paul's Teaching:
**Paul emphasized that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus' death and resurrection, not by works or adherence to the law alone.
**He taught that all have sinned and face judgment, but through faith in Christ's atonement, believers are justified and reconciled to God.
**While Paul upheld moral living, he stressed that it flows from faith and the Spirit, not as a means to earn salvation.

Contrast:
**Jesus' approach in the Gospels often combines ethical obedience with personal surrender to Him.
**Paul focuses more on faith in Christ’s atoning work as the basis for salvation, with obedience as a response to grace, not a prerequisite.

Final Comments:
1. Forgiveness and Repentance:
Forgiveness is not a transactional exchange but requires complete repentance and obedience to the law. This aligns with the messages of John the Baptist and Jesus, who both called for repentance as preparation for the Kingdom of God (Matthew 3:2; 4:17).

2. Jesus’ Teaching on Salvation:
Jesus advised the rich young ruler to follow the commandments and Himself, emphasizing ethical living and personal commitment rather than faith in atonement theology as explicitly stated.

3.The Criminal on the Cross:
The example of the repentant criminal crucified alongside Jesus (Luke 23:39-43) is often cited as someone who received forgiveness without explicit belief in Jesus’ death and resurrection, highlighting the role of repentance and faith in Jesus as a person.

4. Paul’s Emphasis on Atonement:
Paul’s teaching centers on faith in the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus as the basis for salvation, which is a later development in early Christian theology emphasizing grace and justification by faith.

If Paul is true then Jesus was wrong. And if Jesus is true then Paul was wrong!

Paul never contradicted Jesus. Here are his teachings.

Paul on Upholding the Law:

1. The Call to Do and Uphold the Law

Romans 3:31: "Do we then nullify the law by this faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the law."

Romans 2:13: "For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified."

1 Corinthians 7:19: "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commandments is what counts."

2. The Law is Fulfilled Through Love

Paul repeatedly states that the commandments of the Law (like those against adultery, murder, and theft) must still be kept, and that they are perfectly achieved when a believer walks in love:

Romans 13:8-10: "...For the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,' and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' ... therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Galatians 5:14: "For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"

3. Delighting in and Validating the Law

Paul fiercely defends the character of the Law from people who claimed his gospel made it worthless:

Romans 7:12: "So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good."

Romans 7:22: "For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man..."

Paul's Teachings in Brief

Many people miss what Paul teaches. They think he contradicts Jesus because they lack understanding. Peter actually said those people who misunderstand Paul wrest his writings to their own detriment.

Paul teaches that salvation is by Grace. That does not mean you don't keep the law. Paul writes in support of the law in several places. However, you are not the one who keeps the law. It's Christ's Spirit that indwells you that keeps the law through you.

You don't keep the law by observing the law. You keep the law by allowing the Holy Spirit to live the law through you. And, as long as you are governed by love, you won't see the need to steal from your fellow men. If you love him, you won't steal from him. You won't murder him. You won't sleep with his wife/husband. You won't do him any hurt whatsoever. You won't go behead him for your god.

The natural man has no such love. The Holy Spirit sheds that love abroad in our hearts. We naturally love, not because we are lovers but because Christ is loving through us. And by virtue of this, we find it difficult to sin. We live righteously, not by own power but by the power of the Spirit of God who lives in us. That is Grace.

Romans 5:5

"And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us"

John Corroborated this:

John 1:9

"Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they have been born of God."

Paul says:

Galatians 2:20

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

Romans 8:9

"But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)"

Also corroborated by Peter:

2 Peter 1:3

"By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence."

The Grace life is a life lived solely on God's ability and not on human efforts.

Philippians 2:13

For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

It is God who works His will and righteousness through you by His Spirit that dwells in you.

I have written this for the benefit of genuine seekers who seek answers. These are deep things. And there are deeper things. I do not want to cast the pearls to the swines.

The Bible emphasizes that God is a God of patterns and similitudes. It's everywhere in the Bible. It's also in His individual dealings with man. It's also in nature.

Romans 1:20

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."

If you still say there's no God, you'll have no excuse when you meet Him.

Have you also observed that the atom is just like a miniature solar system?

Also taken from Google:

"In physics, this is known as the Rutherford-Bohr model of the atom. When scientists first began to visualize how an atom is structured, they saw a striking resemblance to astronomy:

1. The Nucleus acts like a miniature Sun, holding the dense, central mass in the middle.

2. The Electrons act like planets, orbiting the center at high speeds along fixed paths or shells.

The Scale of the Universe: Micro to Macro

For many, this startling similarity between the subatomic world (the smallest building blocks of matter) and the astronomical world (the largest structures in existence) is a powerful concept. It suggests a sense of universal unity, order, and symmetry—as if the cosmos is built on a recurring, harmonious pattern from the micro to the macro level. This "as above, so below" phenomenon is often cited in both philosophy and theology as an elegant signature of cosmic design.

The Quantum Reality Check

As science advanced into quantum mechanics, physicists discovered that nature at the atomic level is actually a bit more complex than a perfect solar system:

1. In a real solar system: Gravity pulls planets into highly predictable, fixed elliptical tracks. You can pinpoint exactly where Mars or Jupiter will be years from now.

2. In an actual atom: Electrons do not stay on rigid tracks. Instead, they move so fast and unpredictably that they form what physicists call an "electron cloud." Rather than predictable orbits, quantum mechanics describes these as regions of probability where an electron is likely to be found at any given moment.

Even though modern physics has updated the model to look more like a cloud than a solar system, the Bohr "planetary model" remains the universal symbol for science and the atom because the conceptual parallel is so incredibly striking and elegant."

There are several other similitudes where you can find structural harmony between the very small and the very large. You can also take a look into other patterns in nature, like the Fibonacci sequence in seashells and galaxies?

Are all these coincidences? Or the deliberate signature of an Engineer that wants you to know that the nothing in this whole universe happened by an accident. They're all planned and deliberately designed.

This is an excellent observation. The Bible clearly states that God's signature is in nature. This your observation is a great one but I have observed several other parallels in which God indeed speaks in similitudes.

Take a look at fruits and herbs that provide healing of rejuvenation to body parts and organs. So many of such fruits and herbs are shaped in the very shapes of the organs or body parts they work for. Is that accidental? That's a proof that Someone deliberately matched these fruits to the organs or body parts He intended them to work for. I pulled the following from Google:


"Here are examples of fruits, vegetables, and nuts that physically resemble the human body parts or organs they help keep healthy.".

Foods that Mirror the Body

1. Sweet Potatoes (The Pancreas)

The Resemblance: A sweet potato closely matches the oblong shape of the pancreas.

The Benefit: They are highly effective at balancing the glycemic index, which helps the pancreas regulate blood sugar levels. They are also rich in beta-carotene, a powerful antioxidant that protects pancreatic tissues from aging and damage.

2. Figs (The Testes / Male Fertility)

The Resemblance: Figs grow in pairs and hang from trees, mimicking the testes. When sliced open, they are full of hundreds of tiny seeds.

The Benefit: Figs are scientifically shown to increase sperm mobility and count, directly aiding male fertility and reproductive health.

3. Grapes (The Alveoli / Lungs)

The Resemblance: A bunch of grapes looks identical to the alveoli—the tiny, bunch-of-grapes-like air sacs that make up the structure of our lungs.

The Benefit: Grapes, especially red ones, contain a compound called proanthocyanidin. This antioxidant reduces the severity of asthma and wheezing, supports lung tissue integrity, and lowers the risk of lung diseases.

4. Olives (The Ovaries)

The Resemblance: Olives bear a striking visual similarity to the shape and size of human ovaries.

The Benefit: The healthy monounsaturated fats in olives support hormone production and help reduce the risk of ovarian cancer, protecting female reproductive health.

5. Mushrooms (The Ears)

The Resemblance: Slicing a button or cremini mushroom in half reveals a shape that looks exactly like a human ear.

The Benefit: Mushrooms are one of the very few natural food sources of Vitamin D, a nutrient critical for maintaining the health of the tiny bones inside the ear that transmit sound waves to the brain.

6. Pears (The Womb / Uterus)

The Resemblance: Pears share the classic pear-shaped contour of the female womb.

The Benefit: Much like avocados, pears are high in fiber and potassium, which help regulate weight and balance postpartum hormones, supporting overall uterine health.
Would you like to explore the specific nutrients in one of these foods, or are you interested in learning how ancient cultures first recorded these observations?"

There are many more.

The bottomline is that, anyone who thinks all these are mere coincidences or happenstance is deliberately foolish.

Kwankwaso is a more honest leader than Atiku and Obi. If it were to be those two, they'll be falsely accusing Tinubu. They also have a mob of truth haters like themselves. Can you just imagine a 'herd' of followers who now have rabid hatred for Soludo for speaking the truth about Obi? Soludo's only offence was that he spoke the truth about Obi. These people would soon start regarding Kwakwaso as a sellout. A sellout for saying the truth.

plessis:
Awo took proceeds of their resources to build ibadan and left the people of delta and edo with absolutely nothing. Lies and propaganda from those people did not start today.

You cannot point to a block of classroom built by Awo in delta or edo state. But there are several projects of opara outside igboland such as Obudu Cattle Ranch (Calabar Province), Presidential Hotel, Port Harcourt (Port Harcourt Province), Trans-Amadi Industrial Layout, Port Harcourt (Port Harcourt Province), Calabar Cement Factory (Calabar Province), ibom oil palm plantation.

Infact, the reason we starved during the war was because opara built the agricultural projects outside igboland.

I don't know why you guys like lying like this?

As at the time of Awolowo, Oil wa not the source of income for Nigeria. Awo funded projects majorly through agriculture - specifically cocoa exports from Yorubaland.

Abioladoks:
Guy who are you asking all this here?? we know ur type just causing confusion for yourself las las you go dey cry inside for fuel price and cost of living

Don't project your poverty on others. If you're crying, say it loud so you can get help.

Did i.use your hand to type the questions? Or, are you the one I'm asking the questions? So, rest.

discusant:
Include Atiku's sale of NITEL to an Oyibo man whose office was only his handbag.

Done!

degreatstalion:
Welcome development but voting PO

Questions for Atiku Abubakar:

1. The 2006 EFCC Administrative Report

I. Why has the EFCC recently received a formal petition to reopen the September 2006 administrative report into your alleged abuse of office?

II. How do you respond to the 2006 findings that accused you of mismanaging public funds during your tenure as Vice President?

III. Is it true that Nigerian courts completely dismissed the 2006 indictment on its merits, or was it thrown out on technical grounds?

2. The 2010 U.S. Senate Investigation

I. How do you explain the 2010 U.S. Senate report alleging that your former wife helped you funnel over $40 million in suspect funds into America?

II. If the U.S. Senate money laundering allegations are false, why did the report explicitly name your offshore corporations?

III. Did you ever formally clear your name with the U.S. Department of Justice regarding the offshore wire transfers flagged by American banks?

3. The Halliburton Bribery Scandal

I. Why did the Mike Okiro panel explicitly name you in the investigation into how the $74 million local portion of the Halliburton bribe was distributed?

II. Can you categorically deny receiving any financial benefits from the international consortiums involved in the $180 million Halliburton bribery ring?

III. If you had no involvement in the Halliburton scandal, why did several of your close associates face intense international legal scrutiny over the contracts?

4. The Mambilla Power Project & Sunrise Power

I. Why did an international tribunal flag a $500,000 payment from Sunrise Power’s promoter to your ex-wife's account right before the Mambilla bid?

II. Why did you and your ex-wife decline to provide witness statements or bank documents to the ICC tribunal to prove the $500,000 payment was legitimate?

III. What exact role did you play in leading the 2003 government delegation to Beijing that advanced Sunrise Power's bid for the Mambilla project?

5. The Malami Settlement Allegations

I. Did you or any of your proxies discuss the unapproved $200 million Mambilla settlement agreement with former Attorney-General Abubakar Malami?

II. How do you respond to claims that your historical ties to Leno Adesanya were leveraged to push Nigeria into a fraudulent $200 million debt liability?

III. Why did former President Buhari refuse to sign off on the $200 million settlement that you and Malami were accused of facilitating?

6. Special Purpose Vehicles (SPVs)

I. How do you respond to the leaked audio recordings from your former aide Michael Achimugu detailing the use of Special Purpose Vehicles?

II. Did you establish registered companies under the names of trusted allies to channel government contract fees into private accounts?

III. If the SPV allegations are completely baseless, why have you not taken legal action for defamation against the whistleblower who released the recordings?


7. The 2003 NITEL-Pentascope Privatisation Controversy

I. Why did the National Council on Privatisation (NCP) under your leadership award a major national contract to Pentascope, a firm later exposed as a "handbag company" lacking the required capital and technical capacity?

II. How do you respond to the Senate investigation findings that blamed the NCP's lack of oversight for the subsequent ₦19 billion debt and the ultimate collapse of NITEL?

III. Is it true that the Bureau of Public Enterprises (BPE) hid the true status of Pentascope from your office, or did political pressure override the standard vetting and due diligence processes

Dogalmighty17:
One of the first actions the president undertook was send men into the office of the anti-graft agency. Those men ransacked the place and removed every record of investigations into the president's financial crimes. But we forget.

How can we remember or forget something that never happened?

Hemanwel:
India is growing, citizens are growing

China is growing, citizens are growing

Nigeria is "growing", citizens are dying of hunger and hardship.

It took them years. Citizens didn't feel the impact when China started growing in 2005. India also just started growing..impact is not yet felt.

ddippset:
Stop playing to the gallery.

For the fact that random people on the Internet and in the streets called him Jonathan didn't mean that a top citizen like Tinubu should also call him Jonathan.

Tinubu was supposed to address him as President Jonathan or simply The President.

Don't come here and deceive yourself with that first name last name pollution.

Mitcheww.

Jonathan is his surname, and all presidents are usually referred to by their surnames. Not by their first names. 'Jonathan' is absolutely correct. Goodluck is wrong. If Atiku calked him Tinubu, no one would say anything. But 'Bola' is wrong.

Odin13:
Yawn

Next!

Mitcheww

Odin13:
I do t do Yoruba ..

Maybe you’re new here

Next!!

What happened to your other Nairaland account?

You didn't get the evidence I asked for? No one is asking you about Yoruba or southern anything. Of what use is your friendship to the Yoruba? I'm asking for the evidence from your link.

Odin13:
Bola is a Yoruba leader

Stop being a clown with your statement

There’s no southern anything anywhere

This Yoruba people sef

Imagine nonsense

I understand your frustration.

So, you didn't get the excerpts I asked for?

Ezeama400:
https://leadership.ng/omokri-to-atiku-calling-tinubu-bola-could-divide-nigeria/

Read and thank me leter..

Can you screenshot and underline the specific paragraph or sentence where that link posits that he should be called President Tinubu and not Bola? Or President Tinubu and not Tinubu?

If you're unable to provide such, it means you're either lacking in comprehension, or you're simply a mischief maker.

Ezeama400:
https://leadership.ng/omokri-to-atiku-calling-tinubu-bola-could-divide-nigeria/

Read and thank me leter..

Can you screenshot and underline the specific paragraph or sentence where that link posits that he should be called President Tinubu and not Bola? Or President Tinubu and not Tinubu?

If yiiyrr unable to provide such, it means you're either lacking in comprehension, or you're simply mischief maker.

Ezeama400:
Your argument is very weak and holds no water..

Tinubu and his hangs of thieves are angry because Atiku called him “Bola” instead of “President Tinubu”, this was their position, and they made it known ,not this nonsense you are spilling there which I don’t know where you are getting your own narrative and shifting of goal post from..

No no no no. Check all positions on the matter. The issue is Bola, not Tinubu. President Tinubu is not necessary. Call him Tinubu. Don't call Trump, Donald. Call him Trump. Not necessarily President Trump. Trump is okay. Tinubu is okay. Not necessarily President Tinubu. It's disrespectful to Nigeria as a sovereign state. Atiku should know better. But I'm sure he's doing it to spite southern leaders.

I challenge you to provide any source that emphasises President Tinubu instead of just Tinubu.

Ezeama400:

This is Your Bola Tinubu calling the Sitting President then by his name and accusing him?

You are all 😡 M*****d pic.twitter.com/JZYiaFm76r

— Mayor Of Calabar (@Uno_009) October 10, 2026

/video/1?s=46


Nlfpmod Nlfpmod

When would you guys come to comprehension?

If something as simple as 'First name' eludes you, how would you comprehend the need for reforms that repositions a country and delivers it from years of plundering and pillaging?

Call Tinubu, Tinubu. That's acceptable. Calling him Bola is wrong. Did Tinubu call Jonathan Ebele, or did he call him Goodluck?

deetin:
If we are going to suffer let it start with them , not from the innocent masses , they should lead by example by cutting their expenses to start with

It depends on what you agree to be excessive expenses.

deetin:
There is nothing like ignorant masses who
Don’t understand, selling hope is not a solution, if I need to hire a manager for my company and he says the company has to suffer first , that’s not a solution, no matter what policies are put in place should be felt positively by the “ignorant “ masses because they are the voters .

We can’t vote for suffering because we want a good future that will be a waste of our own lives , we Matter also , we vote for who will affect us positively and still make policies that will ensure the our future and the future of our children are safe and prosperous..

that’s not too much to ask if Someone is really doing their homework very well , it’s not a must that we must suffer before the country gets well, there must be other policies or things to explore and put in place In order for things to be balanced .

But No , we are just to accept policies and they know that we are suffering but it’s for the sake of our future right ? That means our “now” has been jeopardized..

no matter the expertise or knowledge about governance it will never make any sense to accept suffering for the sake of this or that , now is the time to enjoy our country not later ,

Have you heard that you cannot keep doing something the same way and have a different result?

If you have mismanaged your company for donkey years, and you hire a manager that wants to salvage your company from collapse, do not accept his offer of temporary discomfort to stabilize your company, okay? Higher the one that feeds your ego until you find out you're no longer a company owner.

Congratulations to you!

jaephoenix:
Oga I have personally invited you to my hospital in Lagos to come and do your miracle. You posted me on occasions. I played your recorded prayers for my patients and nothing happened. When I told you they weren't healed,you accused me of not doing as you instructed. Do you know the amount of patients we'll have in our hospital if all my patients,or at least most of my patients are healed? Its a win-win situation. I'll make more patients (and money) and you'll have your miracles and more members. It wouldn't help me to lie.
So bro,come off these your lie lie stories and do miracles let's see
I have told you earlier that fetus heart abnormality resolves mostly on their own. The most important thing is for the woman to eat healthy and take her antenatal meds especially folic acid supplements. There is no need for any god but you keep insisting that your god did magic. I have even shown you screenshot about spontaneous regression of cardiac abnormalities but no,you insist its your god. So I will just watch you like I watch my patients. I just look at those Christian ones with sad eyes

I have asked you this question but of course you have been dodging. Who did Jesus sacrifice himself to? Satan? Jaephoenix? LordReed? FxMasterz? Who? Also why cant your god forgive mankind without any sacrifice whatsoever
So who are the complainants in this case? And how come they have so much authority and power that your god has to oblige them?

I will definitely visit your hospital some day. I will love to do that.

I have answered all your questions my friend. Please read my previous post again. I answered them with illustrations and numbered points.

Lordreed, Triplechoice and Jaephoenix. Let's not argue on unnecessary things. I will just address a few things.

There's no disputing that a hand-like shape is present in the image. You may say it's not a hand. You might be right. A hand-like shape is not necessarily a hand or an indication of a hand. But, whatever it is, it is shaped in the form of a hand with fingers. The hand-shape even touched the head in a molding posture. There's no disputing that. If you now say that the hand-shape isn't a hand. It's still okay. It doesn't have to be a hand. It doesn't have to be a human hand. It doesn't even have to be God's hand. The shape is enough as a sigh.

And you can see that we have been calling it human-like hand because it shapes that way. AI has said it's a loop of umbilical cord. I totally disagree but let's accept it is so. Let's accept it's a loop of umbilical cord. Why did it shape like a hand? Because God wanted to give a sign that He heard the woman. And, I can confidently tell you that the baby would not be born with any of the defects the doctors predicted. Go and write that down. I'm wishing the woman would return to give us the outcome.

Now, coming down to your positions. That should not necessarily be a hand. But a hand-like shape that tells the woman to stop praying because God has answered. We call it Signs. You must have heard Signs and Wonders before. God gives signs as answers to prayers. If you ask an AI what the shape looks like, it should tell you it is shaped like a hand with extended fingers. And that's exactly what we're talking about.

My friend, Triplechoice, I have asked you some probabilistic questions to which your provided no answer. And those questions are an integral part of the whole debate.

We see miracles in our own world. It happens everyday. You may like to explain it away but true believers don't have the same type of morbid experiences many people have. You should just stop comparing true with ordinary people who go to church. I have shared this before: I have prayed for a woman whose baby was sitting down in the womb at 8 months+. I laid hands on the tummy and the baby turned instantly. I didn't know he was turning, the woman was wriggling on the chair as I prayed. After prayers, I asked why were you wriggling during the prayers. She said "the baby was turning." I said go for another ultrasound. The went and brought the report the following Monday. The baby had turned head-down. She delivered safely without CS!

Several years ago, when my wife was pregnant with our last born, she went out on bike and had an accident while returning. She was almost 8 months into the pregnancy. She dusted herself up and came home leaping. We couldn't visit the hospital because I was financially down that period. I just lost a lot of money to importation fraud at the time. I was sent fake goods. It was one of my most financially weak days. We were rationing even food. I just examined her bruises and treated them leaving everything to God while looking forward to her already scheduled hospital appointment billed for the coming week. I was monitoring her and didn't notice anything serious. So, I thanked God. The third day, she told me that the baby has not kicked since the day of the accident. A baby what was known to actively kick several times in a day. It was a Saturday. I just laid hands on the tummy and prayed. That same night, she reported that the baby is now kicking. She was born safely and is now a full blown woman. No issue at all. None of my children have had any reason to be admitted to a hospital till date. I have never had any reason to pay doctors for anything over any of my children including myself.

Now, while I cannot tell what happened that made the baby stop kicking, the same day kick could, or might not be a miracle, but the same-day kick itself is a sign that whatever it is, God heard me. The kick could just be a reassurance that all is well with the baby. It could also be that a miracle happened. No one can tell. The ultrasound and the medical examinations that came the following week didn't show anything wrong with both mother and child. But, an 8 months pregnant woman falling face down on a moving bike on a busy road, and getting back home all by herself is in itself a miracle. There's 90% chance that we'll have a different story if we don't know Jesus. Dr. Jaephoenix would have billed me very heavily 😊. Thank God for doctors actually. God bless them all.

So, as you could see. That scenario I described with the same-day kick could be just a sign. This handshape around the fetus could also be just a sign. The probabilities I weighed earlier could be considered in this light.

Jaephoenix, how many such hand-shaped appearances have you experienced in an ultrasound in your whole practice as a medical practitioner? Why did this thing have to happen to a mother praying for God's hand to touch her baby?

Back to our discussion, lordreed. Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself. Not in the sense of the ritual sacrifice that you are portraying. But in the sense of satisfying the demands of justice, not just for God but for all the entities that need the justice. A person who takes it upon himself to bear the punishment of others is sacrificing himself. That is a sacrifice. Not necessarily to be tagged a human sacrifice in the sense you are projecting. For example, your younger son committed an offence. You wanted to punish him, but your elder son comes to you and says "Dad, please don't beat him. Beat me instead." That's a sacrifice. Not necessarily a human sacrifice. A sacrifice therefore can be anything you do at the detriment of yourself for the benefit of others. There's nowhere in the Bible where it is recorded that Jesus' sacrifice was a human sacrifice ritual.

Jesus Christ was a sacrifice in that sense as I described above.

He could be a sacrifice without dying but He had to die only because capital punishment is the only satisfaction for justice for any type of offence anyone can commit. No matter the offence anyone commits, capital punishment is the highest form of punishment anybody can receive. Hence, Christ taking a capital punishment for me covers any crime whatsoever that I or anyone can commit. Hope you're getting it, my friend?

Now, God accepted Jesus' sacrifice as a judge would accept the sacrifice of someone standing in for someone else. This is the human-like scenario:

I committed crimes. My punishment is death. I was arrested and was about to be sentenced by the law. Jesus comes in. Argues it out in court, and proves to the court that He was the one who committed the crime. I was just a victim of circumstances. He takes my sins upon Himself. He takes my sentence and suffers in my stead.

Why can't the judge just forgive without requiring any punishment?

1. The judge is not the only entity who wants to see justice. The judge can forgive but what about the complainants? There are several entities involved in a sinful expedition. Not just God. All demands of justice must be fulfilled, otherwise, God will not be a Just God. Remember that woman, Mariam Sanda who killed her husband? She was sentenced to life in prison. Tinubu forgave her. The husband's father forgave her. But other family members did not. Tinubu had to withdraw his forgiveness, otherwise, he would not be a just president.

2. Outright forgiveness without consequences would not allow the offender to see the weight of his offences. He could even bank on being forgiven again. But when he sees that someone was punished for him, he'll also understand that he might not be lucky next time. He'll adjust his life. In my case, I'll adjust my life to satisfy the demands Jesus made on me before giving up Himself on my behalf. Now that He died that I may live, I must not allow His death to be in vain. My duty is to live loyal to the One who ransomed me. If He demands righteousness from me, then I must give it because the life I currently have is not mine but His.

Let me stop here my friends, as I wouldn't want to bore you with too many words. Serving God is sweet. I just came out from an electrifying experience in His Presence. It was very wonderful. It costs nothing to acknowledge God. Why then are you so averse to doing something that costs you absolutely nothing?

deetin:
We called Jonathan , Goodluck… I can’t call the president Bola because he’s old enough to be my great grandfather… the only olodo uprising are the ones supporting this government and claims they have done well in the books while the masses have not seen anything tangible or fiscal development, what sort of olodo uprising can be more than that ?

The ignorant masses who don't understand the state of their own nation well enough to know, that it takes drastic measures to be able to change the trajectory of a dying nation are the real olodo uprising.

What good thing has any Nigerian leader done for Nigeria since 1960? Everyone has been plundering and pillaging Nigeria while giving the masses only hope. Is it hope we will continue to live on? All other countries are progressing except Nigeria. It is so fundamentally backwards that someone even called it a zoo.

The country was already heading towards its doom, You just need to be knowledgeable enough to know that Nigeria is in a dire need of reformative leadership, and a particular generation of Nigerians are supposed to make the necessary sacrifice to redeem the situation, so that the coming generation can inherit a better country. Reformation is never palatable. No pain, no glory.

Honestly, you guys won't know what Tinubu has done for Nigeria until all his policies are reversed and you see the real Nigeria that your leaders have created for you. I just stand in awe of some of you. Even some wishing the man dead for daring to confront the monsters that previous leaders were pampering.

And please, nobody ever addressed Jonathan as Goodluck while talking to the press.

deetin:
We can’t call Bola , Bola.. but we can call Jonathan, obasanjo, Buhari , atiku and Trump , trump

Call him Tinubu. You didn't call Jonathan Goodluck.You didn't call Buhari Mohammodu. You didn't call Trump Donald. Call him Tinubu and not Bola.

Olodo uprising!

Senior men are getting set to resell the discounted petrol in neighboring countries. Government should ensure that there are no loopholes for exporting discounted fuel.

HacheNoire:
Right thinking person you said?

God conquered people?

A supposed supreme God did all that? Same one that knows the big inning and the end. Why didn’t he create land and put descendants of Jacob there?

He had to commit a genocide to achieve his aims.


Are you reading what you composing?

How did a small number of inexperienced midgets (Israelis are short people) who have never gone to war take over a vast population of giants (the Canaanites were giants, called Anakims) who were renown warriors?

Ponder on that. Those Israelites were sent to their deaths. Their conquest was a sheer act of God's mightiness.

For the Canaanites, God waited 500yrs for them to repent. They were sacrificing children by burning them alive - saying they're passing through the fire to Moloch their god. They committed many grievous crimes. God used Israel to judge them. Gave Israel their land. Warned Israel never to do what those people did. Promised Israel that if they committed the same abominable acts as the people they displaced, they too would suffer the same fate. Ponder on that. Or, you let me take you through in-depth expositions.

triplechoice:
What I described using my childhood experience is not peculiar to me. It is called pareidolia. It is a documented universal, feature of human cognition. Lordreed mentioned it earlier as the explanation for what the child called a hand. You didn't realise I was describing the same thing, which is why you say you and those you "grew up with" have no such experience..

But you do. And yours is actually more advanced than the child's.

You claim the image shows a hand "moulding the baby's head" . A static ultrasound cannot show moulding. It cannot show action, movement or intention. All of that is in your mind. You are seeing a hand doing something to the head. That is a more elaborate version than simply seeing a shape.

So you have the gift you claim not to have. You're just misusing it , projecting onto an ambiguous image and calling it evidence.

Please ask ChatGPT about pareidolia.

From what you have already demonstrated on this thread, you surely experienced it growing up, but you have either forgotten about it or didn't take it to mean anything. And it's highly unlikely that you and everyone you grew up with never experienced it. The only thing that would prevent a child or adult from experiencing pareidolia is a rare medical condition called aphantasia . It is not possible for everyone around you to have that. You can only speak for yourself, not others

I won't respond to the other things you said until we complete what we started. I asked you to query AI for the source of the image or the explanation for it. You have deflected from that. Your claim you ask a neutral question but that's not true. You ask the same question by swapping "unnatural" with "around the baby's head" . That is you still telling it what to observe.Moreover, the image uploaded still contain the phrase " hand-liike shape". That is you still asking it to confirm your personal interpretation for you. It did that. So it is not AI personal description, but yours reflected back.

I have already given you string basis for dismissing any case of pareidolia. I have asked questions that still beg for answers.

And I didn't say the hand was moulding the head. I used the word "...as though". An image cannot mould anything but it can position itself as a depiction. An artist can draw a hand moulding a clay. It is a depiction.

The thumb part of the hand even has visible pressure on the spot where it made contact with the head. You can check it out again.

Pareidolia exists. That doesn't mean every single image you see should be interpreted as pareidolia

LordReed:
Which is not different from what I posted.

Very different.

Murder and capital punishment are not counted as human sacrifice.

Meanwhile:

Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

So bro you are arguing against your own Bible that Jesus was not a human sacrifice. By YOUR OWN definition the Bible says he is a human sacrifice.[/quote]I said He sacrificed Himself. He offered Himself. No one sacrificed Him. So, He is not a human sacrifice in the category you intended it. He gave Himself a ransom for sins. You'll get it better when you answer the questions I asked.

Bro why are you still on this? You have literally repeated it again that you want my reaction yet you claim you didn't say you wanted it. Are you going blind?

I have shown you that I requested your views. Your views were the baseline of the request. Even though I eventually used the word 'reaction', they should be interpreted in the context of views which was the predefined baseline.

Bro are you loosing the ability to comprehend English? I wrote:

Bro my reaction and my views are the same>

And I made it clear to you that Views and Reactions are not the same and should never be the same. Especially when the response stays within the boundaries of reaction without moving to the next stage -views. I shared a screenshot to let you see the difference.

What are you still asking for again? I stated quite plainly that in this case my view and reaction are the same. Is that the same as claiming that views and reactions are always the same?

Your response didn't do justice to the questions asked. We need your views on each question. Not just reaction. Your views would now permit me to explain things to you further.

Wow. I think you really have a problem with comprehending sentence structures and tracking conversations. You said this:

I now responded with:



I said it was a silly game because to use the fact that something was not explicitly stated in the article as an attempt to support your assertions is silly because you can do it for any position making it a useless method to use in ascertaining anything.

If you say: "There's also no place in the story where her or her husband are said not to have asked a specialist." then I can say: "There's also no place in the story where the specialist is not said to have said this was not a hand," This is a silly game and if you play it I will play it too.

You were the one who first asked me to point out anywhere in the story where the woman or her husband sought clarifications from the specialist. And I responded that the story also didn't say she did not. And that's to tell you that neither you nor I could claim anything on the basis of the story alone. I now subjected it to probability while also letting you know that my position has a higher stake.

I should rather call your question a silly game but I chose not to insult. You asking me if it was ever stated in the story is already out of order. You cannot expect everything to be stated in the story.

Who said anything about supernatural? Bro I really need to ask are you well? Seriously this is not an insult, I genuinely am puzzled. You seem to be having trouble comprehending simple written words. I wrote: "If the specialist had said it was a hand or something remarkable" how did you read supernatural in it? Remarkable simply means notable, which if it was would be noted by the specialist in their report which the woman's Ob/Gyn doctor would have picked up and told her. Where is the supernatural in this?

Please, always read to comprehend so that you would not be misinterpreting. And you have the habit of insulting your opponent on the basis of your own lack of understanding.

I never insinuated that you mentioned the word supernatural. I am telling you the woman's position. The woman sees it as a supernatural occurrence. The specialist must not affirm that. That's the point. And, it's very clear, since the point we were making was on the specialist's involvement. As a professional, the specialist cannot affirm the woman.

Ok so why didn't she believe her own eyes before the children saw it?

Is this the first time you'll find you didn't notice something until someone else points it out to you? The question should be "why didn't she ask the specialist in the hospital before leaving the premises?" She didn't even notice the extra prints. Otherwise, she would have asked right from the lab. Women are generally like that. Not very observant.

Show me where ChatGpt concludes it is a hand.

I shared the screenshot with you.previously.

LoLz! Bros it was you who claimed her medical providers should have called her out in public to debunk her claims. Are you now changing mouth?

Bros you seem to have a habit of arguing about things you have scant knowledge about. You really need to stop it, it doesn't make you look good.

I said "under certain rules". Then went further to stare what they might do.

LoLz. Wow. Bros why don't you bother looking up the meanings of words you don't understand? Please look up the meaning of wager before you respond again and tell me how your conditions apply. SMH.

The matter is not the meaning of wager. It's about why you'll wager. Humans wager heavily on high probability outcomes. You can't wager a million dollars on an outcome you yourself have classified to be inhumanly.