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MaxInDHouse:
World rulers are under Satan who offered Jesus a position under his rule {Luke 4:5-7} Jesus admitted that Satan is the ruler of the world {John 14:30} Paul referred to Satan as the God of this system of things {2Corinthians 4:4} John said Satan is controlling the whole world! 1John 5:19

So there can't be a Christian among all those partaking in Satan's government.

Do you agree with this?

If not please mention one Christian out of all the rulers you know today!🙂

You refused to humble yourself and apologize. Another trait of someone who isn't a. Christian.

God is the One who knows those who are is. So, are you saying that God doesn't appoint any of His own children into the position of authority? God appoints only Satan's children?


Also, answer my question:
If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?
A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
That's an error!
They are doing what is within God's plan so they are serving his purpose but not his worshipers!

That wasn't an error. It was a false doctrine that was vehemently invalidated by strong Scriptural arguments. You insisted you were right until you were exposed.

Now, tender an unreserved apology to the body of Christ for teaching such a false doctrine. It was on the basis of your continued defence of this false doctrine that I called you a false prophet.

Also, answer my question:

If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?

A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where i said they are not servants of God?🤔

You said it on this link: https://www.nairaland.com/8596926/too-many-gods-exactly-true/20#139054506

You need to tender an apology, and admit that your theology is full of errors. You must therefore sit down and learn from those of us who have been humble enough to allow the Joy Spirit teach us the mind of God.

Screenshots attached.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly my point!
So just as an idol worshiper may be the one doing what falls in line with God's will it doesn't mean such a person is a worshiper of God.
That's what i've been saying since that no politician or world ruler can be a Christian of course they may unknowingly do things that falls within God's purpose.
May you have peace!🙂

Your error is in saying they're not servants of God even when God's Word says they are.

Now, God said they bear the sword for good. Do you know believe this too, or would you answer my question:

If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?

A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

MaxInDHouse:
God's organization teaches His people to distinguish between right and wrong unlike you people who don't know the difference.
The same thing Paul said is what God's organization is repeating today.

If God has permitted Satan to choose his own friends into his kingdom (Government) that is because God's time to exterminate them hasn't reach so whoever violates that arrangement is fighting against God!

Before John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth God's people always fight to destroy their enemies but from the day God appointed a period of time for the nations to rule no servant of God should go against that arrangement. That is why the Jews hated Jesus with passion because they feel pagan nations shouldn't continue ruling over them when the Christ comes so they tried to make Jesus king by force {John 6:15} with the intention that he will wipe out pagan rulers throughout Israel and the world at large. Isaiah 9:6-7 compare to Daniel 2:44
But what did Jesus tell his own disciples who were willing to know why Jesus wasn't taking such actions?

Jesus told his friends not to support the nation of Israel in their violation of the arrangement because all those protesters:

"will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." Luke 21:24

So God has appointed a period of time for Satan and his agents to govern the planet that is what Satan told Jesus in the Bible book of Luke 4:6-7 Jesus never denied it instead he told his disciples that Satan is truly the one ruling over the world {John 14:30} Paul said the same thing {2Corinthians 4:4} and John also said the same thing! 1John 5:19

So whoever is into politics can't be one of God's worshipers that's why you can't point to a single Christian among all the politicians in the world!🙂

Abeg, cut all the crap. You just like typing anything that comes into your head and make a doctrine out of pure gibberish.

The Bible establishes that rulers are appointed by God and they're God's servants.

If you don't understand that statement, let me explain it to you.

When we say God's servant, that doesn't mean the person is a worshipper of God. Anyone can be a servant of God for any purpose that God chooses, but that doesn't mean the person is a worshipper or child of God. Those are two different things.

A servant of God fulfils God's intended purpose for the world or for the Church. For example, the Pharisees, Pilate and all those who cried "crucify Him" were all servants of God to ensure the fulfillment of prophecies regarding the crucification of Christ. Acts 4:27-28 says:

"for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place."

The did everything God planned to take place without even knowing they were serving God's purposes. Those rulers of the world, even though appointed by God, are serving God's purposes without even knowing it. The sole purpose is order and the regulation of evil doers.

God appointed Pharaoh to make His name name. He served the purpose without even knowing it. Same as Cyrus as depicted on the opening sections of this thread.

A worshipper of God fulfils God's purposes intentionally as a leader but a none worshipper fulfils God's purposes without knowing it. Even Satan was used by God to fulfil the plan of salvation. Otherwise, without him deceiving the people, no one would have crucified Jesus.

You need to stop deceiving yourself and become born again.

So now, Maxindhouse, back to the question you are trying to dodge:

If your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?

A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

citygarden:
Make I share this story so another person no go fall victim like me.
Early last year, I finally gather money to build my own house. Joy full my body. I buy land sharp sharp, no stress, cheap price, everybody dey hail me say I don hammer.
Construction start immediately. Engineer dey? Yes. Soil test nko?
Omo… dem say no need. “This area solid, nothing go happen.” I believe them.
Foundation done, blocks rising, roofing complete in few months. I move in with my family. Life sweet.
Then problem start…
Around month 10–12, I notice small crack for wall. I no panic. People say na “normal settling”.
But few weeks later…
Crack widen 😳
Door no dey close well
One side of the floor come dey slope small
At that point, fear catch me.
I call another engineer to inspect. Na there wahala start.
Wet him tell me shock me pass anything:
“Your foundation is sinking.”
Reason?
No soil test done
The land get soft clay underneath
Foundation too shallow for that kind soil
Water dey gather around the building (bad drainage)
Omo… everything just wrong from the beginning.
The painful part?
To fix am, dem say:
Either underpin the foundation (very expensive)
Or demolish part of the building
Imagine building house finish, come dey talk of breaking am again 💔
What I learn (and you should not ignore):
No matter how cheap land is, ALWAYS do soil test
Not all land fit carry normal foundation
If water dey stay your land, na red flag be that
Don’t allow anybody rush you to save cost
Good foundation no be where you suppose cut corners
Reality Check in Nigeria
Many houses wey you see today with cracks no be spiritual problem o… na:
Wrong foundation
Poor materials
No proper planning
And the scary part? Some people still dey live inside like that.
My Advice to Anybody Planning to Build
Before you even buy land or start building:
Ask questions
Verify everything
Work with people wey know wetin dem dey do
Because once foundation fail, na whole house problem be that.
Final Word
House no be pure water business. E require sense, patience, and correct professionals.
If you wan sleep well for your own house without fear of cracks or sinking, do am right from the beginning.

This is very serious. I pray God would help you to successfully navigate through this harrowing experience.

A place where one intends to keep one's head is worth extensive planning, solid investments and careful execution with high handed supervision. Otherwise, you could be building your deathbed without knowing. May we never use our monies to destroy ourselves.

Rich lessons learnt from this thread. God bless you bro, for the heads-up.

chimex38:
From the JW explanation overview website ,
Secular Goverment and worldly rulers are described as God's Ministers, servants of God, who if defied by the citizens incuring God's wrath who punish such citizens through the worldly Rulers.
Meaning, the Worldly Rulers are an extension of God's ordained Leadership to carry out law, Order and judgement on the citizens.
Citizens shouldn't have fear of the worldly rulers if they are upright.

Whoever opposes worldly Authority is bringing judgement against oneself(Rom13:2).

Cc: fxmasterz
(Use Desktop view to see JW official explanations)

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/romans/13/

Thank you very much brother.

You exposed the false prophet. I'm even surprised that his organization has very sound doctrines on the topic of world rulers. Maxindhouse is just a fraud.

My question to the false prophet now changes.

Maxindhouse, if your organization supports the notion that God appoints rulers as the Bible has said, and they also support what the Bible says regarding them being the ones to administer wrath to wrongdoers. What would they use to administer the wrath?

A. Plenty money
B. Sword
C. Evangelism
D. Beautiful mansion
E. A, C, D
F. None of the above.

LordReed:
Run away you BIG FAT LIAR.

Look at who is changing tune now. After calling Jaephoenix and myself out by name you are now claiming its generalised to all atheists. Liar liar pants on fire. LoLz

Lemme quote you so it is clear you are a liar:



Nowhere in this do you mention all atheists. But liar you are is now claiming it is generalised. How shameless.

This is very childish of you. You really disappointed me. You know, I use to see you as one of the most civil atheists on this forum, but I know better now. Calling me a liar for saying absolutely the truth?

I can bring a few screenshots now to shame you and then leave you to it. I know you're trying to bank on my inability to unearth old forgotten posts. You atheists never abide in the truth anyway? Of what use is truth when there's no sense of accountability?

How I wish Deepsight can remind me of that thread if he can recall. The thread in which i asked you to stop claiming atheism and start calling yourself agnostic after you changed tune and admitted you don't know everything. That thread in which I told you about different dimensions that you as a human cannot perceive.

You're not worth my time anyway. I fund it insulting arguing a reality that only blind people cannot see. It's futile arguing with a blind man about the existence of the moon.

I've said I won't respond any further but I decided to just drop this to let you know that you're not as smart as you think.

My post was a general comment for atheists using two of Nairaland's most prominent atheists as references. Everything I said in that post was about atheists general claims on religious people especially Christians.

1. They say religious people don't know science.

2. They say, religion and logic cannot be mentioned in the same sentence.

3. They say most scientists don't believe in any God, and only few do.

4. Whenever they're cornered, they change tune. "Em, science is a lack of belief in God." And many similar statements like that. .

And, of course, anyone who has ever argued strongly with atheists must have encountered the above on several occasions.

In the deepest recesses of your heart know the above is true.

May you see light before your dark hour comes.

I think I've said enough. God bless you, and for the last time, I wish you a great day.

I don't know how to dig up very old posts even from my own threads, let alone threads I didn't create. Just take these two attached images as samples.

DeepSight:
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When you say "before it's too late" you are insinuating a punishment.
What is the punishment? Hell fire?

That doesn't mean I'm explicitly taegeting atheists in that statement.

You guys can wait to find out what the punishment would be. If serving God costs you something, just know that, not serving God would cost you more.

What does it cost to serve God, that ye ignorant folks reject Him?

MaxInDHouse:
Institution doesn't mean destination o!

When a child is born a parent which his child become either a doctor, lawyer, engineer or entrepreneur in the future so the child is sent to school (institution) not just to learn how to become what they wanted but also to mingle with different kinds of people and know what to expect in the future because it's these same kind of people that will make up the society in which the child is to practice whatever he has learned in the institution.
The right question we need to ask ourselves is:
If my parents have the power to stop all evildoers in the society do i still need to spend years in the institution?
The answer is NO!
So also when God's Kingdom comes all human governments will be destroyed completely {Daniel 2:44} because by then only God's government will reign over all the earth and there will be no need of human government anymore!

False prophet, God is the One who appoints rulers. Here's what the Bible says again, in case you missed the point:
False prophet. This is what the Bible says:

Romans 13:1-7;

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

DeepSight:
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What punishment awaits atheists.

Well, I didn't mention anything about punishment for atheists. But, there's punishment for everyone who rejects God, including religious people who walk in disobedience.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is where you erred because Satan openly declared that he is the one appointing human rulers from the time of John the baptist. Luke 4:6-7

So i'm presenting a balanced view of what the Bible teaches!

God permitted Satan's agents so as to maintain law and order among their own people while we live peacefully in their midst because we exhibit the fruit of God's holy spirit against which there is no law they can pass as bill. Galatians 5:22-23🙂

False prophet. This is what the Bible says:

Romans 13:1-7;

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

LordReed:
What a liar. You are lying that's why you can never find such a place and quote me.

Stop lying and quote me.

I don't need to.quote you. I mentioned you and jaephoenix. Not you alone. My statement was not based on an individual but on the general behavior of atheists.

If you say I lied when I referenced my advice to you regarding identifying yourself as an Agnostic instead of an atheist, then you suddenly make yourself a real hypocrite. Calling me a liar does not change the truth. I cannot remember the thread again but I remember fully well that I was engaging you and deepsight on that thread where I schooled you about the
Vastness of the universe, the various dimensions of perception that exist, and the infinitesimally small knowledge science has about the universe. I reminded you that you cannot make conclusive statements about God if you have not explored the entire universe or visited other dimensions of perception that exist.

Anyway, it's useless arguing with an atheist. I pray that you'll call yourself back to sound reasoning before reality dawns on you.

I won't respond any further. Thank you for your time.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible Satan is the ruler of the world and you agreed with that the Bible also said Satan offered Jesus a position under his government:

“I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. If you, therefore, do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” Luke 4:6-7

So from the above scriptures it's clear that there is no country on this planet that's not ruled by Satan otherwise he can't say "all these authorities"

But if you feel there is any country where a true believer in Christ is ruling please share the information let me know!🙂

You don't understand the Scriptures.

What I'm telling you is that God appoints rulers. Not Satan. And the Bible says the rulers are God's servants, and that believers should submit to these authorities.

But, you said the Bible lied and that your doctrine is more dependable than the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you mention a country that is ruled by a true Christian?🙂

You should first mention the countries that are ruled by true devils.

MaxInDHouse:
Which world ruler is not connected to the network Satan is using to control the world?🙂

Any leader that is a follower of Christ is not connected to Satan's network. That includes many true servants of God who hold Territories for God in the Church, business and in organizations.

MaxInDHouse:
So who is controlling the world rulers? 2Corinthians 4:4

God appointed them. The Bible says "they're God's servants for your good." Simple.

No one is talking about who controls them. They're not all controlled by the same persons.

LordReed:
That is a big fat lie. Show anywhere I changed tune because you caught me qbi that is what you do. Stop projecting.

Show where I said religious people can't reason logically.

Lying for Jesus.

You've changed tune many times. I have not had frequent discussions with you in recent times. In one of the last discussions I had with you, I had to tell you that you should not call yourself an atheist then, call yourself an Agnostic. And that was due to a tune you changed. The frequent lines atheists use when caught is "Atheism is just an absence of a belief in God." Prove to them that spirits exist, they'll retiot to that line. Prove to them that the universe evidently has a Creator, they'll retort to that line. Prove to them that life exists after death, they'll retort to that line. People who rejoice in self deceit.

The anti logic line attributed to religious people is a general atheistic claim. A claim you're very aware of. That's why you're asking a personalized question, "Show me where I said ..".Nairaland is full of that line, and you know it very well.

LordReed:
How does this dispel that fact? Did we say there were no scientists who believe in the god? This is a silly post.

That's what you guys are known for, immediately you're caught, you'll change tune. I've seen it happen many times. It might be a silly post to you, but those who know you guys well, know very assuredly that you always claim that religious people don't know science, and that there are only few scientists who are religious. You always claim that religion people can't reason logically. You can deny it all now because you're caught. And now, you can call it another silly post, if that makes you really happy.

MaxInDHouse:
We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 1John 5:16

God is the Creator but Satan is in control of the largest number of people!

Very well established by my analysis. The evil one controls the whole world through his numerous network of proxies.

This further reinforces what I told you.

jesusjnr2020:
NASA'S Artemis II Pilot Preaches Biblical Creation Live From Deep Space

During the recent mission of NASA'S Artemis II moon exploration, the pilot, Victor Glover, preached about wonders of creation according to biblical account, live from deep space, and his fellow crew members all seemed to be in agreement with him.

Watch video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki8SEbjw5Rk?si=VxWNt9UI03sii8V

Later, lordreed and jaephoenix (people who know next to nothing about science) would come and lie to us that most scientists don't believe in God. Why is it that all the astronauts stand in agreement with the preacher without a single dissenter?

MaxInDHouse:
Before John the baptist whoever rules in any part of this planet could remain a servant of God but after John declared saying:
“Repent, for the Kingdom (government) of the heavens has drawn near.” Matthew 3:2
Satan began working towards another direction and his motive is the use all means within his reach to fight against the Christ and his kingdom so nobody from that moment could be a ruler in any part of the world and remain loyal to God.
That's why Jesus said:
"From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom {government) of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it" Matthew 11:12
You may not understand this is what he is saying:
From the days of John the baptist loyal, faithful and sincere humans fitting to rule with the Christ are willing to work with him as his corulers but only those who are ready to give it whatever it takes are reaching out for it!
Satan immediately started giving human kings lots of devilish rituals that will involve human blood which is to make them kill their conscience but whoever can't do so must forget about rulership because if you are not wicked just like Satan he won't be pleased to have you as one of his corulers in any part of the earth:
“I will make you king over all these places. You will have power over them, and you will get all the glory. It has all been given to me. I can give it to anyone I want." Luke 4:6
Imagine a person whose deeds pleases Satan the Devil!😟
So my friend no ruler from that time could be a friend of Jesus unless you are ready to give up Satan's government.
You must choose one side!😟

Lol. Very warped theology.

God is in control of the universe. He is the God of the entire universe. ,"The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof". It is God who sets up and demotes rulers. Nebuchadnezzar thought he was in absolute control but God turned him into a beast "till he came to know that the Most High ruleth in the affairs of men." (Daniel 4:17). Infact, Mr. Nebu later confessed:

"He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others[/b,]. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning." (Daniel 2:21).

God showed Nebuchadnezzar and later, Daniel all the successive kingdoms that'll rule the world until God's kingdom takes over. All those kingdoms were planted and uprooted by God Himself.

Satan cannot appoint rulers but he can manipulate appointed rulers, and turn the kingdom of that ruler to himself.

The "John the Baptist - Kingdom of God talk, was for every human to understand that God has a Kingdom that is separate from human kingdoms, and from the days of John the Baptist, that Kingdom is now accessible to men. Jesus then said:

"The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither would they say, lol here or lo there. [b]"The kingdom of God is among you.'' (Luke 17:21).

The Kingdom of God is currently among us spiritually, waiting for the physical manifestation at Christ's return. We believers are pressing into the kingdom today. It has been so since the days of John the Baptist.

Now, let's teach you sound doctrine.

God created the heavens and the earth. He then decided to delegate the administration of the earth to man, and then gave Adam the dominion over the earth (Psalm 115:16). Satan took the dominion after man fell. The Dominion is what Jesus has come to restore. This is the main reason why Jesus refers to Himself as the Son of man because, by so doing, the dominion is restored back to man through the Son of man. When Jesus sizes back the dominion, the Son of man would be ruling the earth on behalf of man and as man. Then, the words of the seventh angel would be fulfilled:

Revelation 11:15:

"The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

But, after the fall, Satan does not assign rulers. God does. However, Satan can hijack any kingdom as long as the ruler is not in relationship with God. God is a God of order, that is why there are rulers. Satan wants chaos. He doesn't want rulers. But he can't do anything about it. So, what he does is to hijack rulers and become the spiritual prince controlling the physical human prince. He has a vast network of hijacked kingdoms, and that's why he is the god of this world. A few kingdoms whose rulers stand for God and are true worshippers are not Satan's territories.

When we talk of rulers, we are not just talking of nations or cities. We're talking about every strata of human endeavors from the family unit where the father is the ruler to the heads of organizations up to the kings and presidents over nations.

For instance, your GBs are the rulers over your organization, and it is clear that they're under the control of Satan because they walk in deception and are never found to be in the truth.

In a nutshell, God sets up kings and demotes kings. Nicodemus was a ruler who Jesus never asked to cancel the nation's armies. Rulers bear the sword for good reasons according to the Bible. Individuals should not bear sword but nations must, because that's the only way to curtail evil. Satan rules the world through his proxies (kings that have submitted to him). However he does not set up kings or demote kings. That's God's prerogative alone.

Finally , The Kingdom of God is already here among us. Come in as I can see you're still outside. You must be born again, and that includes Truthseeker10.

MaxInDHouse:
Did Nicodemus prove to be a believer in Christ Jesus?
This is the Bible's answer:
This one came to him in the night and said to him:
“Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.” John 3:2

What did Jesus say about people who denied him before others?

"But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 10:33

Now a former blind man acknowledged Jesus before everyone and this is what the Pharisees (Nicodemus group) said to this blind man?

“You are a disciple of that man, but we are disciples of Moses.  We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he is from.” John 9:28-29

Was Nicodemus truthful when he said "we know that you are from God" {John 3:2} of course not he was talking about himself alone while all other members of his group never accepted that Jesus came from God {READ John 7:52} and that is why he couldn't openly confess his faith in Christ Jesus! John 12:42

So Nicodemus is not a good example of Christ disciples!

Pontius Pilate sentence Jesus to death!
Can you do that as a BELIEVER in Jesus?😟

Ọmọ if you don't believe in Jesus there is no problem i'm only showing you what it means to be a true disciple of Christ Jesus.

We must disown ourselves and live our life for Jesus {Matthew 16:24; 2Corinthians 5:15} that is what no worldly politician can do!🙂

My dear, stop all these falsehoods and let us teach you sound doctrine.

Nicodemus was actually a disciple of Jesus. He even joined in burying Jesus alongside Joseph of Arimathea. And if you don't believe that, go read the Bible very well. Read the screenshot I added too.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is Lord over his disciples so they believe and obey his counsel.
There is no ruler who obeyed Jesus till today because his counsel is not optional rather a compulsion for anyone who wants to be saved.
So when Jesus said:
“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52
None of his disciples (subjects) is left out all of us must OBEY Jesus as our Master, Lord and King.
Of course many of the rulers in the first century believe Jesus is the Christ but they denied him publicly! John 12:42-43
WHY?
Because they wanted to keep their position and affluence in world politics.
For instance one of them approached Jesus and the first thing he did was to go on his knees before Jesus {Mark 10:17} this shows the man is convinced in his heart that Jesus is the Christ but then can he comply with Jesus' counsel?
His later action shows it's impossible for any worldly politicians to fully accept Jesus as Lord.
How?
Jesus looked at the man with compassion and told him:
“There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower" Luke 18:22
This exactly is what Satan offered Jesus {Luke 4:6-7} so the riches, affluence and position in worldly politics comes from Satan that's why Jesus told this ruler to get rid of it all and come to be one of his followers.
What did the politician do next?
The Bible said:
But he grew sad at the answer and went away grieved, for he had many possessions. Mark 10:22
So can any worldly politician gain entrance into God's Kingdom?
Jesus' next remark answered the question:
“How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God! It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25
Please do you know any worldly ruler who has ever given away his political riches and affluence for Christ's sake?🤔

Jesus spoke to both His current and future disciples. Do you.mean there's no world ruler who has believed in Jesus and is or was a disciple of Jesus before he died? I am sure you would only what to mischievously quote this part of my response and cut off the rest in your next mention. But, let me stop you on your tracks, and let you know that main response is here below:

Jesus addressed many rulers in His day. You're just lying that He could only address His disciples. Jesus addressed many people from all walks of life including rulers. He didn't tell them to disband their soldiers!

He addressed Nicodemus a Jewish leader, Pontius Pilate the governor, Darius tje ruler of the synagogue, etc.

Jesus even made a parabke about a king going to.war with another king that has a greater army. Jesus advised that that king should sit down and think very well if he can use 10,000 soldiers to conquer 20,000 soldiers coming against him. Jesus said he should consider it wisely whether to proceed to the battle or seek conditions for peace if he thinks he won't be able to win. Jesus didn't say any of those kings must disband their armies. He didn't condemn them for warring. He only provided advice for the weaker king.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said his government (Kingdom) is no part of this world otherwise he can't be arrested in the presence of his armies or attendants {John 18:36} so he can't give orders to world rulers who are no part of his government nah!😟

But as for his own disciples (subjects) Jesus is our Master, Lord and King!🙂

So, you mean there's no single world ruler who believes in Jesus?

Jesus spoke to both His current and future disciples. Do you.mean there's no world ruler who has believed in Jesus and is or was a disciple of Jesus before he died? I am sure you would only what to mischievously quote this part of my response and cut off the rest in your next mention. But, let me stop you on your tracks, and let you know that main response is here below:

Jesus addressed many rulers in His day. You're just lying that He could only address His disciples. Jesus addressed many people from all walks of life including rulers. He didn't tell them to disband their soldiers!

He addressed Nicodemus a Jewish leader, Pontius Pilate the governor, Darius tje ruler of the synagogue, etc.

Jesus even made a parabke about a king going to.war with another king that has a greater army. Jesus advised that that king should sit down and think very well if he can use 10,000 soldiers to conquer 20,000 soldiers coming against him. Jesus said he should consider it wisely whether to proceed to the battle or seek conditions for peace if he thinks he won't be able to win. Jesus didn't say any of those kings must disband their armies. He didn't condemn them for warring. He only provided advice for the weaker king.

MaxInDHouse:
Well Jesus COMMANDED all those believing in him never to use weapons in settling issues {Matthew 26:52} so if anyone believes in the use of weapons to settle issues such a person doesn't believe in the only begotten Son of God.
Let's leave what will happen to all those who refuse to accept/ believe in the wise counsel God's only begotten Son gave us! John 3:16🙂

Why do you want to start going in circles?

Hey, Jesus commanded all those believing in Him never to use weapons. It's okay, we have heard. No one is disputing that.

But, did Jesus command nations and rulers the same? Do you know that even Jehovah Himself is fondly called "Jehovah, the Man of W@r"?

Exodus 15:3, which states, "The LORD is a man of w@r: the LORD is his name".

God commanded wars for Israel as a Nation several times in the Bible. The wae against the Canaanites (Hittites, Jebusites, Amorities, etc) were all commanded by God. God commanded Gideon against the Moabites. Zilba and Zalmunna were annihilated from a war commanded by God. Og, King of Bashan, and Sihon, king of the Amorities were eliminated by a war spearheaded by God Himself.

Infact, David in his confrontation with Goliath called the armies of Israel "The armies of the Living God."

But, yes the same God says "Thou shalt not kill", and that you must love your neighbor as yourself. All these are God's standards for individuals , not nations., and not rulers. Rulers MUST bear the sword, otherwise evil would prevail.

If JWs are the only ones ruling none Muslim countries today , there'll be no single Christian in the world. Islamic terrorists would have finished everybody.

So, I still need to ask you again:

MaxInDHouse:
World Rulers are not servants of God

Whom should we believe? You, or the Bible!/?

Romans 13:4:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason..

Where is your brother in lies, Truthseeker10 Lieseeker10, e don japa?

MaxInDHouse:
Why not read from verse 1 nah?🤔


Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. ‭Romans 13:1 NIV‬

They are serving a purpose there which is to maintain law and order so that fear will not allow lawless people carry our their evil deeds easily.
Christians who knew they are not God's servants shouldn't disobey the government because they are there for us to report their own people to them while we deal with defaulters in our own gathering:

For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside,  while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves" 1Corinthans 5:12-13

Go and ask disfellowshiped JWs about how Jehovah's Witnesses handle wrongdoers among us they will say we are more wicked than people carry weapons to enforce laws but then all we do is excommunicate them {Matthew 18:17} when Satan's children use weapons to deal ruthlessly with anyone who disobey them.

So Paul is telling Christians not to fall into their hands because if not for them we can't go about our day to day activities peacefully.
That is why God permitted them to be there but in reality it's Satan they are walking for. Luke 4:5-7
When Jesus said give Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give God what belongs to God Jesus meant this worldly authorities {Mark 12:17 compare to Romans 13:6-7} yet Paul still made it clear that these worldly authorities are working with demons! Ephesians 6:12

It's not a matter of reading from verse 1. I didn't ask you where I should read from.

This is it again:

MaxInDHouse:
World Rulers are not servants of God

Whom should we believe? You, or the Bible!/?

Romans 13:4:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason..

DeepSight:
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There are many things in the Bible I know are in the Bible but I still believe are false.

This is another ignorant statement.

The latest dead sea scrolls discovered in 2017 correlates evenly with the Bibles we have in circulation. What's your claim on falsehood based on?

But as regards you claiming that the death referred to in the Garden of Eden was the second death of Revelation, that is very debatable. I will not even go into the fact that that death promised in the Garden was said to be one that would happen in the very day that they ate the fruit. Which turned out not to be the case.

Listen, God told Adam and Eve in Eden that "...on the day thou earth from it, thou shalt die."

Did they die the physical death that day the earth it? No! But they died the spiritual death that day. This death is passed down to all men automatically. Eternal separation from God. Except you receive the gift of life in Jesus, you're considered spiritually dead according to Christian doctrine. You're only awaiting the wages of sin on the day of judgement.

If anything, the Serpent spoke the truth, saying that they would not die but become like God, knowing good and evil, which is exactly what happened.

So, God lied according to you, but the serpent spoke the truth. Didn't I tell you, you're very ignorant?

God does not consider physical death as death. Physical death is a transition. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc are not dead. They only transited. When I die physically, I'm not dead. I only transited. My father has transited. He is not dead in the actual sense of the word. He's waiting for me there above in God's Kingdom. Stephen didn't die when he was stoned. He only transited. He even saw Jesus waiting to receive him.

Psalm 116:15 says:

"Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his faithful servants."

God loves it when His faithful servant dies because, to God, it is not death, it is homecoming.

The real death, is the death of those who cannot come home.

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No amount of grammar can wish away the fact that he prayed for the cup to pass over his head. In short, he didnt want it. Certainly not at the point of that prayer.

Even if you show other verses where he says it was his will, then that discloses contradictions.

And if we say that it was not contradictory, but just an expression of his human fear, you really must interrogate again the idea that he is also God.

I have told you that He event was to let us know He was in pains. No other part of the gospels tells us what pains Jesus went through except these verses of Gethsemane.

If you say He didn't do it willingly, were you the one who forced Him? Or, can you show us how He was actually forced into giving up Himself?

Most times, exams are not easy for many students. Many students would pray earnestly for the exams to be shifted, cancelled or even suspended permanently with an alternative provision for promotion. None of these happens but the students still write the exams anyway. Were they forced then to write the exams? They wrote it willingly, just as Jesus gave Himself willingly even though He could have wished for some alternatives.

Wishing an unpleasant situation away is not the same thing as not willingly embracing it. Soldiers don't want to go to war because they don't want to die. They go willingly into war and die anyway. And that, without being forced. They do it willingly!

Do women enjoy the pains of childbirth? No! They wished the birth pangs could pass over. But, are they forced to birth children? No! They donut willingly!

The Gethsemane episodes were the beginning of Jesus' birth pangs that birthed a new generation of believers.

MaxInDHouse:
World Rulers are not servants of God

Max. Whom should we believe? You, or the Bible!/?

Romans 13:4:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.

tctrills:
I think our good friend Deepsight is only looking for a got you moment nothing more
He completely understands your explanation on the topic. No need to press further.

Deepsight let's go to the next subject.

Thanks for the feedback brother.

God bless you for this good work.

DeepSight:
FxMasterz

This verse shows that you are wrong on the second death being what was referred to in the Garden of Eden.

Romans 5:12: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"

I had wanted to quote this verse to further buttress my point. I never knew you'll misinterpret it.

Yes, the death meant here is the natural death. But, look at that verse very well. It says this death comes to ALL MEN.

Meanwhile, the wages of sin do not come to All Men. It's only for sinners. Or, you don't understand what wages are? Physical death is not a wage at all in Christian doctrine.

The wages are paid during judgment. Not before. The judgement gives the second death as wages for sin, and eternal life as wages for righteousness.

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

You fist need to understand that wages are not paid at the point of physical death but at the point of judgement. Without the judgement , the wages cannot be given.

Jesus said "I come quickly, and my reward/wages is with me to give to every man according as his works shall be." This is the judgement.