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achorladey:
This suppose to unmask the indoctrination but it is easier to follow the tradition of men than the scriptures

Exactly. They honor men rather than God.

MaxInDHouse:
Your brothers are fighting and killing one another in the name of defending their country {Revelation 6:3-4} whereas it's human rulers that's giving them such orders {Revelation 16:14} but we will never ever raise a weapon against our brothers in the name Christ Jesus! John 13:34-35🙂

Only God knows who my brothers are. Stop playing God.

achorladey:
They will rather agree that you are empty spiritually than see the lies and manipulations of the scriptures

Meanwhile, they can only prove that emptiness with their own human doctrines that have no foundation in Scripture.

Till tomorrow Maxindhouse, Janosky, Cornelboy and the rest of them cannot show us one single Scripture where the Bible says rulers or nations cannot bear swords.

Meanwhile, I have constantly shoved Scriptures in their faces. God was called the Man of War just after overthrowing Pharaoh in the red sea. David said God teaches his arms to war, but Maxindhouse, Janosky and Cornelboy say that God was teaching David bad things.

Right there in Scripture, you'll see many instances in which warriors would ask God before going to war, "should we go to war, should we fight against these people?" and God will tell them to.go, and even give them war strategies..

Let's even quote an instance:

"So David inquired of the LORD, “Shall I go and attack the Philistines? , Will you deliver them into my hands?” The LORD answered him, “Go, for I will surely deliver the Philistines into your hands.” 2 Samuel 5:19

They would ignore this scripture above and all similar scriptures and stick to human doctrines as though those humans who created those doctrines would be the ones to judge them on the great day of judgement.

achorladey:
Look at the reasoning he wants to advance

Janosky stated.....



See how easy he called them Satan's rulers but the same Apostle Paul says they are God's ministers


Janosky added....


The government of the day Paul called God's ministers

The same government of the day that came to rescue Paul are Satan's rulers according to Janosky and Maxindhouse.

It is the generalization for me. While there are Satan's rulers indeed, it is absolutely heretic to conclude that all are.

achorladey:
The manipulations in place, he had to


7:45 April 27 Corbelboy stated......




3:19 pm April 28 Cornelboy after continuing the discussion above stated.......



Okay to the reply given by FxMasterz.

Why do you have to manipulate the chronology to advance lies?

Thank you bro!

You nailed him.

achorladey:
It is those soldiers he referred to as Satan's agent what Paul called God's ministers

They're ignorant. They first think something, then look for spurious ways to back it with scriptures. Afterwards, they make it a doctrine.

A godly assembly would search the Word to pull out doctrines. As for the JWs, they search the Word to validate erring human ideas.

Janosky:

Noise is cheap.
The onus is on your to quote Acts 23:12-32 i& Acts 28:16 in your Bible &prove your claims.

Oga,quote both verses & expose your false claims.

I should quote your non related scripture suggestions for you? What happened to your own hands?

achorladey:
I just dey laugh over spiritually empty. Yet they still respond to empty things

Don't mind them. They're haters of the truth.

achorladey:
They can't. The wordings of the national anthem definitely has nothing to advance war or conflicts. It is more paranoia created by Rutherford through misinterpretation of Romans 13

Abi,

That includes the anthems of several other countries in the world.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus always speak in Idioms that's why his disciples never questioned him when he told them and note what they said in response:

“Lord, look! here are two swords.”
Jesus realized they are not yet used to Idioms despite all his teachings so he cut the conversation by saying:
“It is enough.” Luke 22:38

Please if each of them needs a sword according to Jesus' statement how can two swords be enough for eleven men?

That shows he wasn't talking about physical swords but since they couldn't grasp his expression he said "it is enough" like saying "ok cut the crap"

Later God's holy spirit enlightened our first century brothers that Jesus was talking about each disciple having his own complete copy of the holy writings (Scriptures) which they later referred to as "SWORD". Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12

In fact when apostle John saw Jesus in his spiritual body the utterances protruding our of his mouth appeared as a SWORD! Revelation 19:15

So my guy each Jehovah's witness in all the earth have a complete copy of the Bible the SPIRITUAL SWORD today and if any of us doesn't have one we will sell whatever we have to buy one but thanks to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses even though Bible is really costly today there is no single JW throughout the world who doesn't have a complete copy of the Bible as they wisely managed the resources gotten to make sure each of us no matter how poor that country is all JWs in that country will have a Bible each!

That's the import of what my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus said!🙂

My friend, this is bad interpretation.

Jesus said "it is enough" without explaining the meaning of His statement to them?

Give me another instance in Scripture where the disciples misunderstood Jesus and He didn't explain Himself to them. If you can give me one, I will believe this your interpretation.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ do you know the meaning of that National Anthem and pledge you people often recite? Daniel 3:1-5

Now ponder over the wording of all the national anthem and pledge throughout the world and answer if you are swearing an oath to God or your rulers?🙂

Except you want to infuse your own meanings into the Nigerian anthem. Oya, tell us the meaning.

Janosky:
You provided the evidence from Google & you are trying by all means to reject the evidences you provided.
Fx Cognitive dissonance.

So, his own evidence was based on his personal experience?

MaxInDHouse:
In the first century Christian converts do stop jobs like military service or holding public office that's why Roman emperors ordered the killing of those leading the group (CHRISTIANITY) they believe the group is dangerous just as you feel towards Jehovah's Witnesses today!🙂

The reasons for which some early Christians avoided military service is different from yours. They avoided because they didn't want to be part of emperor worship, indiscriminate bloodshed (the emperor can just send you to go and kill anybody), oath of allegiance to the emperor as a deity, etc. The reasons were not because they considered national defense unscriptural.

The apostles didn't make any doctrine of it. So, some joined, some didn't. Those who didn't join had reasons different from yours. In the absence of those reasons, they'll join.

MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus commanded us not to carry arms and we know that some jobs requires it then God's holy spirit will teach us what to do {John 16:12-13} remember God's laws are now WRITTEN IN OUR HEARTS {Jeremiah 31:32-33} unlike the laws in written codes which is to be quoted God's spirit leads us! 2Corinthians 3:6🙂

When Jesus first commanded the disciples to sell their clothes and buy swords, what do you think He meant?

MaxInDHouse:
See Corbelboy's conclusion about you!



Corbelboy is still young in the faith so he feels irritated engaging people like you so in order not to start exchanging words with you he ended it respectfully! 1Peter 3:15🙂

Cornelboy is only irritated because I refuse to reason like him. Not because I am antagonizing the Bible.

Meanwhile, both you and Cornelboy and Janosky cannot show is Scriptures where God said rulers or soldiers should not bear arms. I know Cornelboy is brainwashed. He won't listen to sound doctrines based on scriptures but the ones based on JW reasoning.

Janosky:
Oga Fx, did Paul the apostle of Christ come under the protection of Satan's rulers ( Roman rulers who worship pantheon of gods) whose Army use guns and swords?

An Angel open his prison gate to set Peter free.
Paul didn't get same privilege,but the government of his day came to his defense with weapons & swords.

Liars don't like Acts 23:12-32 .

How is that related to what we're saying? How old are you guy?

You should first ask if Roman soldiers were among the members of the early church, and then ask if they were every asked to stop military service.

God protects His own people. Soldiers are for national defense of all law abiding people including children of God in a nation.

If evil attacks you, God will protect you. If government attacks you as in the case if Paul, God will protect you. But God's order is for nation leaders to bear the sword for the defense of the nation and for punishment of crimes

Are they Satan's rulers? Did God permit them to beat swords? Should we listen to you, or to the Bible?

Romans 13:1-6:

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience."

Meanwhile, you failed to remember thT Paul would have been killed in Jerusalem if the centurion had not used the force of the sword to snatch him away from the angry mob.

God allows rulers to bear swords. God will judge rulers on how they used the sword He has allowed them to bear.

MaxInDHouse:
😂

Except you don't understand English. Cornelboy read the same thing and understood me fully that I'm talking about what every soldier thinks of himself.

Janosky:
Oga, read your Bible , Acts 28:16 & Acts 23:12-24.

You dey fear to read your Bible ?
Are you not a Christian?

😂

My dear nothing in those scriptures relate to what we're saying here. You dey fear to expose me?

Janosky:
Oga,open your own Bible to Acts 28:16 & Acts 23:12-24..
Pls stop deceiving yourself.

You should have quoted those Scriptures out so that everyone would know that the scriptures you listed are unrelated.

MaxInDHouse:
So ISIS, BOKO HARAM fighting as soldiers could also be on God's side!😂

You see now,

1. I didn't say anybody is on God's side. I only said they all believe they're on God's side. And if you ask Boko haram today, they'll tell you they're on God's side. Hence, they go about killing for God. Governments have to defend their people against them.

2. I told you that there's evil in this world. How can you say Boko haram is on God's side when they're actually part of the evils that want to destroy our world?

In short, God has given rulers the right to bear sword. They'll give account unto God on how they used the sword He allowed them to bear

MaxInDHouse:
YES! They are all praying to the same God while the God watch them destroy one another!😂

Jesus said to Jehovah's Witnesses in the first century:

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword." Matthew 26:52

Glory to our God in the heavens today Satan is blindfolding unbelievers to kill one another {Revelation 6:3-4} but God's people have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again be it friend or foe! Isaiah 2:4; Matthew 5:43-48🙂

Tody, I have come to understand that Cornelboy is a sincere person. You see, after I have the same explanation in which I mentioned you, he responded with an understanding 'okay'. That responds makes me see him differently and rate him much higher than I previously did. I love sincerity.

But you, you prefer going in circles than accepting the truth. By my interactions with Cornelboy today, have come to understand that it is not a JW thing. It's just you.

But, you see, Christians don't fight but soldiers do. Jesus commanded christians not to fight, but He didn't say that to soldiers. The Bible says rulers bear the sword for good reasons. Rulers will give account to God on how they used the sword that He allowed them to bear.

MaxInDHouse:
If he's fighting because his government ask him to do so and you're fighting for the same reason who will obey Jesus as his Lord between the two of you:

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another" John 13:34-35🙂

Abeg, military service is not religion. Every soldier fights for his country because he believes he's doing the right thing. They even pray before going to war. Everyone believes God is on his side. It's better to fight than to be wiped out by evil

Go and tell them that Jehovah's Witnesses believe only in God's protection!🙂

Yin mu. Says someone who was angry that I said governments should remove its protection of JWs. Lol.

God is our protection but He didn't say we should stop using our senses.

That is what Jesus God's only begotten Son taught those who listened to him among them {Matthew 5:43-48} when they were leaving Egypt God's order is for them to see how He will fight for them {Exodus 14:14} when they become a nation God commanded them to fight any enemy of the HOLY LAND not their own nation o?
But when Jesus said there is no more a holy land {John 4:22-24} fighting to defend any place becomes unscriptural for faithful servants of God.
WHY?
Because we have to love our neighbors just as we love ourselves {Mark 12:31} so if we should join in killing people in other lands we are depriving them of the Good News and if we should fight or kill a fellow Christian due to command from a human ruler that means we are disobeying Jesus who commanded us to love fellow believers the same way he loved us! John 13:34-35
So before Jesus Israelites needs to fight and defend the holy land but after that has been cancelled faithful servants of God must never again raise a weapon against anyone be it friend or foe! Matthew 5:43-48

I will continue to teach you the laws of our God as written in the hearts of His modern day worshipers! Isaiah 31:32-33🙂

Jesus didn't teach that nations should not defend themselves against an aggressor.

The Bible teaches that rulers bear the sword for good reasons!

God does not permit anyone to bear the sword against his fellow human, but God permits rulers to bear the sword against evil.

cornelboy:
Were both Absalom and David on the same side? One was on God side and the other wasn't.

Now, you're getting it.

Every fighter is on God's side until proven otherwise. If you asked Absalom when he was fighting his father, he'll tell you he was on God's side. Every soldier on the battlefield is on God's side. God knows those on His side, and He'll judge the matter by the outcome of the war.

God has nothing with the wars going on today. That's why God's people will never engage in wars and kill one another.

Let God say that Himself!

Should we dwell on your own words or on God's Word? The attached image is from your profile. God's Word is the only truth, not yours.

We believers are spiritual soldiers. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal. But, the very symbolism of the spiritual warfare runs in tandem with physical warfare. God Himself is called "Jehovah, the Man of War. Exodus 15:3.

There is evil, and infact, debilitating evil in the world. If there's no one to oppose the evil, evil will take over the world. If there are no soldiers in different nations today, for example, even you Cornelboy and Maxindhouse would have either been unalived (God forbid) or forced into Islam. Maxindhouse wouldn't be a JW today if evil has already taken over the world.

If all Christians were JWs, there'll be no Christianity in the world today.

cornelboy:
Do you even know how the military operates?
The soldiers only follow orders. They follow human leader orders and what they do is obviously against God's will.

Things were different with ancient Israel. All their fight were backed by God against their enemies.

Now Christians or Gods people are found across all nations. So it doesn't make sense that God support a country to fight against another country.

Christians are to love their brothers, their neighbors and even their enemies. You don't kill your Christian brother and call that love.

True Christians are not of this world, that's why they won't participate in politics and military service just like Jesus and his Apostles didn't.

A soldier does not identify as a Christian or Muslim in the battle field. His only identity is his nationality.

As Christians, we do.npy flight. But as a soldier, you have a duty to protect your nation. Hence, you fight as a soldier and not as a Christian.

You don't even seem to get the point I was making. God supported Israel against other nations, true. What about God supporting Israel against Benjamin? What about God supporting David against Absalom? Or Judah against Israel? You have not read your Bible to that extent?

MaxInDHouse:
Wow!🙂

So as a CHRISTIAN you hold a weapon against your neighbor in the name of fighting for or defending your country but at the same thing you don't believe there could be anyone from the other country who is also a CHRISTIAN like you in their army shey?😂

If he's a Christian, he wouldn't hold a weapon against me, just as I am one, and I have held no weapon against him. If he does hold up a weapon to harm me, I will defend myself against his attacks. Hypocrite, if you were, would you lay down your neck to be slaughtered by a so called fellow Christian who will no longer be appeased?

YES! We don't trust in humans for protection Jehovah is our protector!

Human governments can't save you! Psalms 146:3-4

The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still.” ‭Exodus 14:14 NIV‬🙂

Good!

Let governments all over the world withdraw protection and defence for all JWs. Let them announce that Bandits, Islamic terrorists, etc are free to do anything with JWs. Is that not okay?

God is our protector too, but He is a God of order. He gives you wisdom and strength to defend yourself, then The also puts government there as His representative. You also have your fellow humans as neighbors as immediate helpers. When all human efforts fail, God steps in. That's how God works. God won't help you until you have used the resources He has given you.

Can you imagine the Israelites saying God is their protector, and therefore never go to battle? The same God who protects Israel teaches her to war!

"He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms" (Psalm 144:1).

Your doctrine is either a product or profound foolishness or crass ignorance.

cornelboy:
So it's right for a christain soldier in Ukraine to kill another christain soldier in Russia because Zelensky ordered it?

Does that even make any sense? Killing a fellow Christian brother is what you call defense? Smh.

Ask why God supported warring Israelites - Israel against Benjamin, David against Absalom his son, etc. In each cases, prayers were made to God.

My question to you is this:

Should Ukraine, a Christian country fold its arms and watch itself destroyed by Russia, another Christian country? The moment my brother raises his arms against me to shed my blood, he ceases to be a Christian. I must defend myself against him. No Christian attacks his fellow humans first. The aggressor is the erring one, and the target has a right to defend against the aggression. Once you an an aggressor, you stop being a Christian.

MaxInDHouse:
We are both trying to reason with Jesus and his teachings but if you don't want it it's OK!


So if you are a Christian soldier in Nigeria can you aim and pull the trigger at a fellow Christian with who you once enjoyed praising your God?🤔


Jehovah is our refuge not man! Psalms 46:1

There's no fellow Christian out there who aims at me. Anyone who aims at me can't be a fellow Christian.

Answer my question. Soldiers use weapons to defend and protect people. Should they stop protecting you and your fellow JWs?

MaxInDHouse:
I can never ever get angry with you but i will continue to show you why we find it difficult to do what you are asking!🙂

Back to our discussion:

If a soldier is trained to defend his nation and in the process he or she will have to kill some people as enemies of his nation who are the ENEMIES such a person can kill as Jesus commanded all his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe? Matthew 5:43-48; 26:52

Abeg, shift.

Should the government stop defending and protecting JWs right now. Yeah, soldiers have to kill if the threat poses danger to people's lives. Should government stop defending you and your JW brethren now?

Answer!

achorladey:
You dey mind that one advancing not going to war as sign of being true Christians. When you see how they even admit using lethal force to self defend you go know sey the guy just dey hype wetin no dey

I already told them they were banned from going to war because Rutherford misinterpreted Romans 13. His misinterpretation led to the massive imprisonment of members and their death in concentration camps. Some who survived lived with the stigma of being ex convict over the misinterpretation of Rutherford. Later the misinterpretation was discarded. They suffered based on lies and manipulations packed into their brains.

I am sure maxindhouse would soon found his own organization.

MaxInDHouse:
Please the highlighted how can someone defend a nation without killing people?
And who are the ENEMIES such a person is going to kill as Jesus commanded all his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe? Matthew 5:43-48; 26:52

Are you saying a nation should not be defended?

Why then were you angry when I said government should stop defending you lots?

MaxInDHouse:
So what if someone was a soldier and wanted to join Jesus' group what must he do since Jesus commanded his own disciples not to hate or kill anyone be it friend or foe?🙂

If someone was a soldier, he'll join Jesus' group and remain a soldier. A soldier is not someone who kills people. A soldier is someone who defends a nation.

achorladey:
You dey mind that one advancing not going to war as sign of being true Christians. When you see how they even admit using lethal force to self defend you go know sey the guy just dey hype wetin no dey

I already told them they were banned from going to war because Rutherford misinterpreted Romans 13. His misinterpretation led to the massive imprisonment of members and their death in concentration camps. Some who survived lived with the stigma of being ex convict over the misinterpretation of Rutherford. Later the misinterpretation was discarded. They suffered based on lies and manipulations packed into their brains.

I.like this your signature statement in bold. Lies and manipulations have indeed been parked into their brains.

So, maxindhouse is in short, a Rutherfordian 😁. Does he know that Rutherford's misinterpretion of Romans 13 led his members into severe sufferings?