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 Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 11:39pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
In its 5-4 decision in the case of Kelo v. City of New London, the U.S. Supreme Court issued an important, if very controversial, interpretation of the government's power of "eminent domain," or the power of the government to take land from property owners. The power of eminent domain is granted to governmental bodies -- federal, state and local -- by the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, under the simple phrase, ", nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." In simple terms, the government can take privately owned land, as long as the land will be used by the public and the owner is paid a fair price for the land, what the amendment calls, "just compensation." Before Kelo v. City of New London, cities typically exercised their power of eminent domain to acquire property for facilities clearly intended for use by the public, like schools, freeways or bridges. While such eminent domain actions are often viewed as distasteful, they are generally accepted because of their overall benefit to the public. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 11:33pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Solomon, in the US, all offshore oil belongs exclusively to the federal government. onshore oil belongs to private individuals, private businesses lease land and mineral rights from the owner of the land where minerals are found, the oil company then pays a royalty of 12.5% to the individual who owns this land, they then pay state as well as federal taxes on their profits. In other words, private businesses practically control the oil industry not the state govt nor the fed as far as onshore in concerned, to drill any oil in the US, anywhere in the US, a company is subject to federal regulations as well as federal licensing. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 10:55pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Locals dont have control over oil in the US, private businesses/investors do. Some of these investors come from the middle east others from Russia and all over the world. If you have an oil business in the US and are seeking to explore, the federal government has to give you permission to explore anything on US territory. The state collaborates with the Fed as to guidelines for your oil business. The fed has more power and claim over resources found anywhere in the US. The state has a right to tax, the state tax doesnt get paid to the center since there are two different taxes, one state, the other federal. In America, all power ultimately stops with the president not the governor. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 10:42pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Ibime, you're just ignorant and narrow. Thats all I have for you. your mind is small. Name me one country that has "resource control" as an economic arrangement. Even with a law that states you have total private ownership of land, if a valuable mineral is found on the land, the government can acquire that land if its vital to its national interests, you can challenge that in court but much like America, when it get to the supreme court, the court will uphold the governments rights to acquire private land with due compensation to the owner. If you find oil in your back yard, do you think it makes sense for you to say you own the oil, just you!! Since it was found on my property, it belongs to me 100% and I can do anything I like with it!!!!I can refuse to allow it to be extracted, its my prerogative. Dont be a buffoon. Selfishness is a cancer, it grows and spreads, if today you say only ND region should have access to oil revenue, then whats stopping a particular village where the oil is physically extracted from to demand 50% derivation, if you privatize oil ownership, whats stopping a family whose land the oil is located from demanding 80% derivation?? Then the oil is not used for the public good!!! Hitler made Europeans declare that no country has a right to occupy another, this led to African colonies using the same declaration to demand independence. Familiar?? |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 8:51pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
You people have the wrong idea about this issue, to say that "my meal is coming from ND" while I remain "unproductive" since I lack more valuable "natural resources" lacks logic. A northerner by virtue of his Nigerian citizenship has a right and a claim to the oil found within Nigeria's territory, Ijaws dont own the oil. Nigerians do. Nigeria happens to be a modern state, not ethnic kingdoms. Fact is, you did nothing to get the oil, its there by accident. You're not working to keep the oil, you cant keep resources to yourself and opt to be a member of club Nigeria (Africa's most populous nation and Africa's largest military and potentially Africa's largest economy by virtue of human capital resources NOT oil) |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 8:33pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Beaf: Again, you totally FAIL to see where I'm coming from. Firstly, the Federal government in the US does give out grants to the states usually block grants (just google block grants) The feds have federal projects in most states. The US fed does give states something that resembles an allocation. But states much like Lagos have means of internal revenue generation. Nigerian states need to have better internal revenue generation systems. You say contribute nothing. Dont you understand that Nigeria is a country, and it is one country. The main ingredient of federalism which is 3 tier government is present, it may not be practicing textbook federalism. But Nigeria is a federal system. Like I've already said, I've beaten this issue to death, Just because you have oil in an area close to your village doesn't mean you are productive, to contribute something means you're taking from your productivity and giving it to someone else. The mere existence of oil deep in the oil does not translate into productivity. If however we had what economists call the free rider problem, then you would say that ND is "contributing" for example, if ND was a productive region in terms of manufacturing or industries and those firms were taxed by the FG and the proceed transfered over to the north, then you could say parasite or what not. The mere presence of a natural resource that belongs to all Nigerians not just ND people doesn't mean they are a productive/contributing region. Do you know what productivity is? China is productive, they export finished goods. When you turn raw materials into finished goods, that is production, your added value of the final goods and services is the wealth created out of productive activity. Example: Europe managed to destroy Africa largely by using this model. The basis was the Africa had nothing but natural resources/raw materials and as such was/is an unproductive continent, they extracted raw materials and processed them into finished goods and resold to Africans at (in some cases) 200% profit, this is called "added value" as a result of production (turning raw materials into finished goods) your cocoa into edible chocolate etc. Dont you think its lazy to say that you're contributing a naturally occurring resource to the economy. If you want resource control then you have to declare independence. Or Nigeria must turn into a loose confederacy where there is no power at the center, scrap the position of president. Provided that Nigeria is one country with a strong center (US model) then the oil resources must be shared amongst all its federating units. This is what it means to be a country. But even if you say "resource control" (something heard of only among Nigerians and native american Indians) and you pay 50% tax to the center, what has changed? that 50% will still be shared among non oil producing states. The north is a geographical region not a regional government mind you. The Nigerian economy suffered as a result of oil, all other industries were neglected, to say that you want six states to share 50% of the oil revenue while the other 30 share the other 50% is senseless. The day you have this arrangement is the day you cease to be a country. Then you might as well be an independent state with a small population and oil, either way, the rest of Nigeria will be domineering because of ND's small size. ND will be in the sphere of Nigeria's influence much like how Sao tome is, Nigerians control Sao tome's oil. Having a relatively large and populous neighbor while you are tiny and have resources is dangerous (Iraq and Kuwait) see how I'm giving you lessons in economics and international politics (thats my field) |
| Politics / Re: Burn The Koran Day Has Been Canceled by gadogado(m): 2:13pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
philip or whatever. Please don't say that, hope you know that Islam is very close to christianity?? what is violence? where is the violence, you also dont understand Islam neither do you understand islamic jurisprudence, this is why you're coming to many foolish conclusions. What about: Ezekiel 9: 5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple. 7 Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing throughout the city. 8 While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, "Ah, Sovereign LORD! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?" |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 1:50pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Ibime, all you ever do is speculate, you're speculating that if oil is found in the north, it'll break away, well thats speculative and simply an opinion of yours. Im a northerner and I dont think Nigeria would break up if oil was discovered in commercial quantity in the Nigerian side of lake Chad. Nothing will change as far as national objectives. Nigeria or atleast the elite will still want to maintain a sizable population as that helps in the long run. If I have a country that is 150 million strong, why would I want to reduce that population by more than half because I cant control my emotions or what, be rational, what as an entity do you stand to lose or gain in that event. In terms of military force, Nigeria has no equal in Africa which gives us a sphere of influence in the continent, if we have our economy growing by double digits within the next few years then we'll be the fastest growing economy in Africa, at that point we'll dominate the entire African continent and all African countries will be open for business as far as a Nigerian is concerned. Can you see that my thinking is not as narrow as yours? I read Aganga said that the Nigerian economy will soon shoot up to a 10% growth rate. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 1:28pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Your comments are laughable. Firstly, Nigeria will never break up. It never will because that would cause a domino effect in the rest of Africa where "unnatural borders" are also prevalent. Its against the Economic interests of African countries to start splitting on ethnic lines, the economic effect will be felt for generations because in terms of stability, you'd be pushing the continent back 100 years. An educated and rational African knows this. You are merely sentimental and emotional not rational. The Idea that Nigeria will break up is unrealistic because it cant, its too complex to break up. Yugoslavia broke up due to the fact that communism as an economic order died. Much like Russia, the death of communism is what separated them. Nigeria has never been a communist state!! To break a state, it has to experience economic shock, not even political. Iraq could've broken and it would have if the shock and awe was economic rather than political. Its not an easy business to break up a country, i hope you know this. Its not easy at all. Especially complex nation states in our times. If Nigeria breaks up then you know for sure that law and order will break with it, What stops you from turning into somalia? breaking up a country is not easy. Its one of the most difficult things possible. If you read, you'll know this. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 1:11pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Solomon227: Fool, take a look at this link before you open your big mouth http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-31-obama-oil-drilling_N.htm |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 1:05pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Go to the CIA factbook and see if economies or rather resources are mentioned as regional or national. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 12:43pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Solomon227: Look, no one is scared. Just dont take people for fools. What is resource control in a modern nation state that is practicing a federal system of government. The statutory laws of Nigeria clearly state the all natural resources belong to the federal government. It does not say that natural resources belong to whatever ethnic group that happens to be the closest to the source of the natural resource. This means that natural resources irrespective of where they're found fall under the jurisdiction and preserve of the federal government of Nigeria. What the Niger Deltans are arguing is that the oil belongs to the Ijaw nation or whatever ethnic nationality found there. If we were a loosely confederated alliance of ethnic nationalities then I would understand. But unless the status of Nigeria changes to reflect that, the status quo remains. Every Nigerian citizens owns the oil. Every Saudi owns the oil not just those in Dammam, every Russian owns and has a stake in Russian oil and gas not just Siberian tribes. Oil and gas are extracted and sold with the sole beneficiary being the federal government of Russia not regional governments. Do you people know what a country is? If you start saying the resource in my village belong to only me then you're not a country, you have effectively become ethnic nationalities and you're going back to those pre European tribal days. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 12:25pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Solomon227: did you notice that I ignored you, i dont want to join issues with you, know why? because you haven't the slightest clue what you what you're talking about. I live in America and work for the US federal government. You dont know anything. by the say, I noticed you spelled Palin wrong twice. Corporations control the Alaskan oil sector, the pay taxes to the state. The federal govt. has the power to freeze all activities related to oil exploration/extraction. When it comes to power in America, the federal government is clearly superior, the supreme court case McCulloch V. Maryland clearly solidified the superiority of the national government over the state governments. The president has the power to regulate state activities but the state can only challenge federal powers in court. The US constitution trumps any state constitution. Youngstown sheet & tube V. Sawyer (another US supreme court case) gave the president enough room to acquire private property under certain conditions. i.e: that the private owner is duly compensated etc. In America, resources ultimately belong to the federal govt., the fed can come into your state and designate as federal monument any part of that state and make it a federal reserve. When the native Americans got their reservations, did they sign the agreements with the states or federal government?? In the state of Wisconsin, there is a reservation for the Oneida tribe and even though its inside Wisconsin's boundaries/borders, the federal government had the power to give them that land and guarantee it without the states permission or input. So don't give lessons to someone who can name all the US presidents by heart. Im a bonafide student of American history. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 12:06pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Ibime: Are you educated? does have a naturally occurring resource in the atlantic ocean imply that people from the Niger Delta are productive? because if you say I'm parasitic, then I must be benefiting from your productivity. Natural resources do not make you productive, if sand were to become a valuable resource, and its abundant in sokoto, does that mean those people in sokoto are productive?? maybe you should negotiate state taxes instead of resource control, because all Nigerians own the oil. I have a stake in the oil by virtue of my Nigerian citizenship. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 12:00pm On Sep 12, 2010 |
Let me further beat it into your thick selfish skull. This oil belongs to Nigeria and Nigerians not Niger Deltans or Ijaws. Have you ever heard people that are indigenous to Siberia demand resource control from Moscow, Have you ever heard the people of Dammam in Saudi saying the royal family should come from their town since they produce oil or that Jeddah or Riyadh shouldn't have access to the oil revenue or that Mecca that doesn't produce oil is parasitic for using oil revenue?? Have you?? If you want the oil to yourselves, why not get that old man edwin clark and declare independence, do that! Then we wont have to listen to your rubbish, then we can finally invade you as a foreign force since you're so tiny, occupy and annex you then you'll enter your senses. See let me tell you something, even if you were to declare independence, you would not get it unless you agree to certain conditions like paying the other regions a certain amount for many different things, when you dont pay, they invade. Worst case scenario. You people are so selfish with this oil, so what are you going to do when it becomes valueless?? You'll never get this resource control rubbish because its an alien concept that only Niger Deltans can cook up. If you google resource control, you'll find only Nigeria and native American Indians as results. No other civilized nation state does this resource control rubbish. the oil belongs to all Nigerians, the limestone in the north belongs to Ijaws as much as it belongs to Gombe state indigenes because all are Nigerian citizens. We need to find better ways of ensuring that the revenue generated by all resources are better utilized and used for the benefit of the people. Even if you have 50% of oil revenue going to 5 or 6 states while the other 30 share the remaining 50% (thats your plan right) how will it better your lives, the same Iboris and co will pop up and make sure the money remains at the very top with only a few sharing it amongst themselves. Billionaire government officials is the only thing that will achieve since you have the same social problems as the whole country. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 11:25am On Sep 12, 2010 |
Ibime: No,you're the fool actually, Alaska does not pay tax to the center, whoever gave you that idea. a) private businesses (oil companies pay tax to the state government and the federal govt. State and Federal taxes and country taxes where applicable) b) Alaska is not doing any resource control rubbish, the oil market is open to investors, you invest you money in an oil company and get your profits, from this profit, you pay out tax to the state and federal govt. TRUE CAPITALISM. The govt only regulates the activities of oil companies. c) what is resource control  The federal republic of Nigeria owns all natural resources in Nigeria and her territorial waters. Just because you are from Rivers doesn't mean you own the oil, or your silly little tribe owns it. Thats a foolish way of belonging to a nation state. YOU DONT OWN THE RESOURCES! so why control something you dont own?d) The federal government owns all natural resources irrespective of region. They give out the exploration permits, the oil bloc allocations, and control the oil sector, why because the oil belong to the ENTIRE CITIZENRY OF NIGERIA not just Ijaws or whatever. A Nigerian from sokoto will tell a foreigner that he is a Nigerian citizen and his country's major export is oil. Meaning he has a stake in this oil by virtue of him being a citizen of Nigeria. I have never heard anything close to resource control in any oil producing country ever. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 7:48am On Sep 12, 2010 |
Mr physics, I'd like to dissect a few things you mentioned, some of them are inaccurate assertions, some bald faced lies and others generalizations, all of which are fallacies. 1) The Texas oil industry is open to all investors including foreigners like the Nigerian Kase Lawal and middle eastern royalty. Like I said, Investors who put up the businesses get their profits and then pay state and federal taxes which run into the billions. The federal government does whatever is on its agenda with such tax revenue and so does the state. The investors get their profits but they dont necessarily invest the proceeds in the state of Texas as you subtly implied. There is no law that mandates this or tells them what to do with their profits. The Texas oil industry is a free and open market not just to Texans. The state govt. develops the state with tax revenue. Investors are free to take their profits and invest in Mississippi backwoods or Siberian ice deserts. 2) I never said there is a central structure that is sucking money from Texan oil fields, do you read? I said private businesses pay taxes to the state and federal government. The proceeds of oil generally go three ways, the state, the federal govt. and the investor. 3) what I'm saying is that you cannot claim productivity or that you are productive simply because you have a naturally occurring resource in an area close to you, note that most of the oil is in the Atlantic ocean. However, in the event that you suffer environmental degradation as a result of the activities of oil companies, then people have every right to demand due compensations. I haven't called that to question. 4) you imply that oil revenue is being used to develop other parts of the country. The oil revenue was once shared equally amongst all states, then the "oil producing" states started getting more from that revenue. This is ok for the sake of argument but to demand anything more is selfishness, laziness and childishness. Nigeria is a nation state, the natural resources belong to the federal government. The federal government is at the top of the power chain because it has greater responsibility, not just local like a state but national as well as international. Unless you cease to be a nation state, the oil belongs to the FG, so does the limestone, copper, zinc etc in the north. The oil doesn't belong to only Ijaws but the entirety of the Nigerian citizenry since Nigeria is a country, a nation state practicing some form of federalism not a loosely confederated alliance of ethnic kingdoms. Had that been the case, then we could say the oil belongs to Ijaws and Hausa's can only expect charity from Ijaws, but it so happens that both Hausas and Ijaws are Nigerian citizens and all have equal stake and claim over the oil. For example, if someone asks me where I'm from and I tell them Nigeria and they ask me what natural resources Nigeria has, I'll say oil, or would you expect me to mention only the resources found in my village or state 5) My position is that just because oil is found in a particular region doesn't mean that the people in that region have more claim over it than others. But they have the right to demand compensation if they suffer from oil pollution. Just like BP and Louisiana fishermen and other marine businesses compensations recently. The state has a right to tax a company operating within its border, Rivers govt. can tax shell if they're operating within Rivers boundary and then use the tax to better the lot of their people. Since thats not the case, the FG takes oil revenue and distributes it among its federating units, what is the problem there Just because a naturally occurring mineral is found near you doesn't mean a) you are a productive people. b) that you have more rights over it than other citizens of the same country. c) That all or a lion share of the oil revenue has to be invested where it is extracted from. What happened to equality, the FG is there to ensure that equality is felt amongst the states. If the oil damages the environment then the company MUST compensate. The assertion that oil revenue is taken to the north to develop that region is silly. Revenue used to be shared equally among Nigeria's federating units, the Niger Delta states now get more (going against the principle of equality) What else do they want for heavens sake. If you want, declare independence then you can keep all your oil and grow fat for the next 20 years before it becomes valueless. So if at a point in time, Bayelsa got the same federal allocation as Kaduna, but Bayelsa remained under developed, why blame the north?? why not ask what the state and local authorities did with the federal allocation If you want to keep all the oil revenue then declare independence. Simple.6) This assertion that the north is somehow terribly behind in education is an over flogged and over exaggerated myth. So the northern region doesn't have business men or engineers that are capable of going into the oil industry? Dont you think you're being a tad bit ignorant and condescending I'll give you this, there is a gap in western education between the north and south, this gap favors the south, the gap is exaggerated for political purposes. The wealthiest Nigerian is a northerner, For years the north controlled the aviation industry with the likes of Kabo, IRS, chanchangi, albarka air etc. The highest Nigerian share holder in MTN is a northerner who is also the chairman of the board of MTN Nigeria. Banking is controlled by the south. Oil is controlled by Euro-Americans. Northerners are all over the oil industry and are just as capable as southerners. The chairman (currently) of the national association of indigenous petroleum explorers is a northerner (these are things you can look up) If you take Nigerias top 50 business men (wealthiest) I can guarantee you that 30 will be from the north, I promise you no less than 30 will be northerners, so don't assume northerners are less business savy, thats just a very ignorant assumption. Do you know how long northerners have been trading for? look up the history, they traded extensively with arabs, many trans-saharan merchants were hausa people, I'm talking about 800 years ago. You know the saying know thy neighbor, well Nigerians seem to ignorantly stereotype people, the north does it too, if you hear some of the stereotypes they have of southerners, you'll scream like a 9 year old girl. Ignorance is a killer. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 4:10am On Sep 12, 2010 |
Dede1: You have just earned my respect as in intelligent person. What you said sums up the situation in the Niger Delta. People claiming natural resources as their contribution to the economy. nonsense! Our problem is ignorance and laziness, there is corruption everywhere in the world but the productivity of the people counter balances the corruption. Its only a very lazy person that will say I am contributing a natural resource to nations economy, this is my own quota, then proceeds to ask the next person what he has contributed, in other words, what natural resource in his region has he contributed to the nations economy. If this is not the height of childishness and laziness of the first order. I dont know what is. How can you say you're contributing a naturally occurring mineral? wow. Its like contributing trees, ok what happens when oil is no longer valuable which is happening as alternative energy such as ethanol are being developed and perfected. what then?? |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 2:30am On Sep 12, 2010 |
Let me emphasize, the presence of oil in the Niger Delta does not mean they contribute anything, the people dont contribute anything to anyone, they simple have a valuable natural resource in the area. The federal government of Nigeria has full powers over the exploration, extraction, allocation, sale of oil and distribution of revenue not Asari Dokubo. The federal government owns the oil not Niger Delta people. All natural resources anywhere in the country is owned by the government of the federal republic of Nigeria. So if FG owns all the resources in the north, both tapped and untapped then it equally has complete claim over oil. The north has arable farmland even in places like Borno, there are massive farms, also, there is plenty of limestone which is why the there is a concentration of cement manufacturing plants. So the presence of farm land, limestone and beef should be counted as potential contribution. Dont blame the people of the region that the govt. decided to abandon agriculture. Tomorrow if oil is no longer valuable, then the same FG will abandon oil. and move to agriculture. then people in the north will say Niger Deltans are parasites. Fools. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 2:16am On Sep 12, 2010 |
Ibime: "contribution" funny. So in your opinion, the oil is what you are "contributing" to Nigeria's economy and this means that you are productive right. Well in Texas and Alaska, oil is produced, have you ever heard Texans and Alaskans clamor for derivation? have you ever heard them claim to "contribute" to the economy? more than others, since they also pay federal taxes plus oil revenue, means they "contribute" more. It is only laziness that makes people think this way. There is no country where you find people saying that I demand the resources from the oil simply because it is located close to my region, hope you know that most of the oil is in the atlantic ocean. Thats where you half fish half human niger deltans have a claim on right? The presence of a natural resource is not linked to your productivity, it is therefore not "contribution" to anything. So if the economic arrangement changes and the North say they contribute cement manufacturing and textile manufacturing plants, the west says they contribute rubber processing plants, the east say they contribute finished goods manufacturing plants, the Niger Delta will say what, they contribute the Oil in the ocean ? Listen to yourself.Productivity is about producing raw materials into finished or semi finished goods, this is productivity not the mere presence of a natural resource close to your area, its laziness that has people thinking that way. These finished goods are exported to augment a trade imbalance thereby strengthening your currency, providing employment, paying taxes and making profits, everyone gains, private business in form of profits, government in form of taxes and workers in form of wages. This is how wealth is created. An economic arrangement that has foreign companies extracting oil from the ocean and the government selling it off then sharing the proceeds among states is a self defeating system since nothing is actually produced, its a glorified barter system. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 1:55am On Sep 12, 2010 |
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| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 1:53am On Sep 12, 2010 |
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| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 1:42am On Sep 12, 2010 |
you continue using "gworrow chewing" as if Im supposed to be offended. Hope you know that gworro is kolanut. People from all over the country use/eat it. In Igbo land, it is not only a delicacy but used ceremonially as well. So it beats the crap out of me when you say that in order to offend because of the glaring ignorance. I always smile and giggle at "offensive-intentioned" gworro comments. Its getting old too, so you might want to start looking for a new routine. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 1:35am On Sep 12, 2010 |
df2006: Big fool, how on earth does the mere presence of a natural resource in a region make the people of the region any more productive than any other region? In the North, there is zinc and limestone hence the concentration of major cement producing plants in that part of the country. So the presence of limestone now makes northerners productive? Listen to yourself. As an economist I can tell you very sharply what productivity is. The concept of the free rider is whats parasitic not the existence of a natural resource. For example, if the south is productive in that it pays tax from its various manufacturing ventures and the FG then takes the tax resources and transfers the wealth to the north for no reason, then you are justified in calling the north a parasitic region. But there are natural resources in just about every part of the country, it is an accident that at this point in time, oil happens to be more valuable than limestone. It will not remain so forever. Like I said, people in the region are very justified in demanding compensation for pollution and other environmental hazards. But to claim that presence of oil is somehow linked to their productivity is a preposterous claim. what is productivity? and what does it mean to be a parasite? who owns the oil? and who will defend the oil in the event it is attacked by a foreign entity? If you expect the FG to direct the military to protect lives, property and resources of the region in the event of a foreign attack then you cannot go around claiming sole ownership of the oil and its resources. Examine this principle. |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 9:29pm On Sep 11, 2010 |
olas2u: How dont I make sense, you're the one missing the point, the system of government practiced is of little relevance. The economic arrangement is what is relevant. Nigeria happens to be a country that sustains itself with a natural resource, the natural resource, most of which is in the atlantic ocean in what is called the "territorial waters of the federal republic of Nigeria" not the "territorial waters of the confederacy of Niger Delta states" If a foreign nation attacks these territorial waters, will the Niger Delta governors organize their own army to defend the shores or will they expect the Nigerian Armed forces to defend?? The Nigerian armed forces belong to all ethnicities and regions of the country. Go figure! Just because the oil is close to your region doesn't mean you have a claim over it, there is no country in the world where oil is produced that have people clamoring for a greater percentage of the revenue simply because oil is extracted from an area close to them, It is laziness that breeds this type of mentality, oil ought to be a side show, something to augment deficits with not the mainstay of the economy itself. Oil producing countries practice many different systems of government but its only Nigeria that you hear this rubbish. You have no claim over the oil. Since the govt started with the oil derivation formula, has the region seen anything better? If the oil pollutes the environment then the people of the region have every right to demand compensation. Much like how BP put aside $20 billion to compensate those whose livelihoods had be affected by the recent oil spill, did you hear the people of Louisiana demanding a greater percentage of oil revenues! NO, absolutely not. The arrangement is, the private company extracts and sells its proceeds (oil) but pays taxes to the federal government as well as state governments. These taxes are a large chunk of their profits. So private business gains, fed govt gains, state gains too. Private business employs as well. At the end of the day, if you're looking for permission to extract oil in any part of America, you go get it from a federal bureaucracy and federal bureaucracies also regulate the activities of these businesses. Go figure. Even in Saudi, the main agency that controls oil is a partnership between the govt and private business (saudi aramco) Like i said, its laziness and foolishness that has people saying that. As if the presence of oil implies productivity. The entire niger delta populace is just as unproductive as the north. nobody is living under anybody's sweat. To say a region is a "parasite" means that you are working and someone else is a free rider. Just because you have oil close to your area doesn't mean you're working or ever worked for it. A typical example of a parasite would be if you worked and were taxed by the government and someone was paid a welfare check for not working from your tax money. But a natural resource deep in the ground or in the ocean that is extracted by Euro-American companies has nothing to do with niger delta people's productivity. insanity |
| Politics / Re: Burn The Koran Day Has Been Canceled by gadogado(m): 5:56pm On Sep 11, 2010 |
Olaolufred: Really? most muslims are agressive? really? with 1.5 billion muslims in the world, most are aggressive, by most, you're suggesting at least 60%, lets see, how many aggressive muslims do we have? 60% of 1.5 billion is 900 million, so there are 900 million aggressive muslims trying to kill you right? I know you get all your information from the media and you believe them as though they're speaking for God. But there comes a time where you have to at least attempt to stop being ignorant and open your mind up. Look at history, Christians have been the most violent ever, read about the crusades. Fool |
| Politics / Re: Why I Dumped Jonathan For IBB, By Dokpesi (Zoning) by gadogado(m): 5:42pm On Sep 11, 2010 |
olas2u: your a bloody fool. 1) The south south constitute a minority, minorities dont have rights over majorities. 2) They cant dump an agreement half way into it, zoning has to be fully adhered to. 3) people like you are complete idiots, so do they go and farm the oil? is it their blood and sweat that gets the oil? just because a resource most of which is in the atlantic ocean, some sitting deep underground happens to be close to the are doesn't give them any right over the resource. They do have the right to demand compensation for environmental pollution however. But the resource belong to all Nigerians unless Nigeria's corporate existence ceases to continue, the resources belong to the federal government of Nigeria, the FG being the only entity that has full rights over any activity that has anything to do with oil. Its not the south-south peoples assembly or local monarchs that give oil blocks, its the FG. Have you ever heard anyone in Saudi Arabia (largest oil producer) claim that since the oil is from my part of the country, I should get more money? or we should be the royal family? Have you ever heard anybody from any oil producing country make such preposterous claims? And mind you, in Saudi, they have many tribes who speak in several different arabic dialects. You're just a buffoon, a complete ignorant fool. Its only in Nigeria and Sudan, epitomes of the third world that you hear idiotic africans saying things like "the oil is from my region" so what?? do you want to localize the oil and have full control over it and maybe give the rest of the country charity or better yet keep it to yourselves an not give anybody? you're an idiot with no concept of what a nation state implies. Its only laziness that produces this type of mentality, dont you know that its a backward and laughable thing in the international community if a country derives most of its revenue from a natural resource "A NATURALLY OCCURRING RESOURCE" as opposed to productivity through manufacturing and services and technology. This is like in America, Texans and Alaskans saying they have the right to produce a president because they produce oil. Nonsense. |
| Politics / Re: Burn The Koran Day Has Been Canceled by gadogado(m): 9:09am On Sep 11, 2010 |
keeptrying: You're just ignorant and not learned thats why you're saying this. Maybe you don't know but the fact is, Islam and Christianity talk about the same issues and the stories have the same morals. Take it from me, someone who has been to both Quranic as well as Bible schools. Islam is a very spiritual religion. You would need a great deal of time to study it and understand it before it makes sense to you. In my family alone, many were originally christians who converted to islam. There are more people converting to Islam than christianity by far. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. I pray you come to understand the gifts of Islam to humanity, its all about moderation and living a pious life. |
| Politics / Re: Burn The Koran Day Has Been Canceled by gadogado(m): 9:01am On Sep 11, 2010 |
there is nothing hypocritical about it. simply stating facts. Muslims believe in the bible as the true word of God, some muslims believe that the bible has been manipulated and its original revelation tampered with to suit certain political situations. Hence the many different interpretations/versions of the bible i.e: king James bible etc. Muslims call Jesus the prophet Isa, many muslims are called Isa. Muslims don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, thats the main dogmatic variance between the two sister faiths. Apart from that, Muslims and Christians beliefs are at the very least 70% compatible and identical i.e: the story of creationism, Noah's Ark, Solomon, David, Moses are all pretty much identical. This is why the trio, Islam, Christianity and Judaism are called the Abrahimic faiths coz they are the same thing with some differences in doctrine and practice. If a muslim burns the bible then he's automatically an infidel or unbeliever because he has committed an abominable act. Muslims are taught about Jesus and his mother Mary and about his miracle birth. In the Quran, there is an entire verse dedicated to Mary called suratul Maryam, look up the translation and read it. I think problems come from ignorance (not realizing that you're following the same God) or focusing on the little differences instead if the similarities (thats human nature) Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad is the seal of the holy prophets who brought the last book, prior to him, it was Jesus, moses with books like injeel, taurat, zabur etc. |
| Politics / Re: Burn The Koran Day Has Been Canceled by gadogado(m): 8:52pm On Sep 10, 2010 |
how can muslims burn the bible when they clearly believe it to be the word of God. In Islam, there are 5 revered books of God and furthermore, Islam accepts Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc as prophets and messengers of God who brought the word of God to forewarn and guide people. So Muslims cannot burn the bible. |
| Politics / Re: 44 Years After Ironsi, Igbo Named Army Chief by gadogado(m): 8:48pm On Sep 10, 2010 |
chyz: So Jonathan now wants to strategically take power away from the north. hmmm |
| Politics / Re: Burn The Koran Day Has Been Canceled by gadogado(m): 2:44am On Sep 10, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: But the potential consequences of this man's burning stunt would be too far reaching for the media not to be all over it. Every one knows that when it comes to muslims, you dont mess with our religion! |
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