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and OBJ stole absolutely nothing right

Beaf:
You can say all you like about Obj, but his regime moved Nigeria forward more than any of the retrogressive regimes that ruled us for 38 years ever did. Obj started the diversification away from oil, paid our debts. In his time Nigerians became proud enough of their culture for Nollywood and Nigerian music to take root and capture Africa, also comedy to sprang out of the streets of Delta state to become a multi-million Naira phenomenon.

The 38 years of Northern rule saw the dismantling of the groundnut pyramids, the death of manufacturing, cotton, rubber, cocoa, oil palm, education, standards bodies, morality, humanity and the enslavement and inhuman pollution of the Niger Delta.
The 38 wasted years also saw the manufacture of 10 million almajiri's and the segregation of the core-North through sharia.

Dude, handing power back at this time will be a gross error. There will be no qualms handing power to a Middle Belter though, but core-North? Thats a strict NO.

Well if we want to pick on things, Nollywood existed prior to OBJ, get it straight! During Abacha, the economy was stable, the naira never devalued meaning inflation was under control, he created the PTF that provided a lot of infrastructure to the nation etc etc. Did Obj not sink $16 billion into power that is still unaccounted for?? First of all, the south south doesn't own the PDP, the PDP floats on the north, it was a northern party at its inception, IBB funded it. The elite in the north and south are the best of friends! Whats worrying you is "new-elevation syndrome" you have never produced a president, now that you have (SS) you feel that the world belongs to you and you can pick and choose who to give power to etc. My friend, nothing works like that, GEJ would not be there is he didnt have the backing of the northern elite. The backlash in the north was targeted against the northern elite including emirs who saw their palaces and houses burned to the ground!!

The north is saying enough of the oppression, while the south is being hood winked and deceived into believing that the north have killed only southerners and its a religious affair. HA!! whos zooming who. With claims of superior education, you still fall for the cheapest propaganda and cannot for the life of you see the emperor behind the veil. to prevent you from understanding what the average northerners did in the riots, fighting oppression, you were fed tainted stories and complete hogwash. you fell, you chopped it!! No electricity for you for the next 4 yrs. its a PDP thing not a GEJ thing, he's part and parcel and furthermore, a mere figurehead in the PDP, he's controlled by OBJ who in turn does nothing without consulting some very powerful people in the north, people you've never heard of but the kind of people you'll see the likes of atiku sitting on the floors (not chairs) of their living rooms. Keep deceiving yourself. THE NORTH FOUGHT AGAINST RIGGING.

[quote author=EzeUche__ link=topic=654303.msg8205030#msg8205030 date=1303788368]I dislike you so much. Why did they target Christians, Southern Corpers and just any regular Southerner who lives in the North. You are a dammn apologist.[/quote]Southerners, xtians were an uber minority in the total casualty that accrued! If you look at it, how many igbos in sabon gari kano or kaduna south were killed. Corpers were maimed because it was believed they were PDP agents and had a hand in rigging rightly or wrongly!! Now the brunt of the damage went to northern pdp agents, see how their homes were totally destroyed! PDP rigged, burn and kill them, that was the mantra. How many southerners were actually killed, sorry to break it to you, NOT THAT MANY, VERY LITTLE. But propaganda machines are fanning your all too naive emotions.

PapaBrowne:
Guy, FYI Nigeria has new owners!! The last string of Ahmadu Bello has just been wiped off with the victory of Jonathan!!
My advice for all those like Buhari still carrying this untouchable toga is to Fear, be Afraid and be very very Afraid!! The new owners would not condone impunity!!
Jonathan nor any other Nigerian would never have to arrest Buhari!! Its some guy from some Mexico or Madagascar or Netherlands or Nicaragua or any other signatory to the Rome convention that would do the handcuffing!! Surely, U don't understand what I've just said.

LMAO rotflol you're too funny, who are the new owners?? guy PDP is PDP they've owned it since 1999. or is goodluck not PDP anymore. You think him being a dullard and all would stand a chance if the northern elite didn't back him. WOW. Clearly you're a clown who doesn't know the slightest thing about Nigerian politics.

@jason, lets chat then, got no beaf with that!!


Again, lets be serious, the whole there are no educated people in the north is a lie!! A big one and you know it. Its quite foolish for anyone to think that!!! If Nigeria must continue then clearly, power must be shared. Do you have an issue with that

I think power should go back to the north in the interest of unity and fair play. And merit as well as credentials are not something that any sane person will over look. Oh, merit is what many people dumped for pure unadulterated sentiment in the presidential elections. Otherwise, Buhari is not corrupt and very capable, but you were scared into thinking he's a muslim extremist, there you go, your emotions and fears appealed to and exploited.

Beaf:
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He thinks power should be handed back to the core-North, not on merit, but because they can kill youth corpers.

Would you oppose a Sanusi Lamido Sanusi presidency on the basis that he lacks merit??

Beaf:
It is better to actually go to school than fall back on crap like zoning, and relying on FG job's and largess rather building businesses in your home states.
There is no reason to hand power back to the North, before the almajiri's are all educated, or the whole country will be dragged down to their level.
Dude, sit back and watch the country develop in the next 4 years. You will see another graphic illustration of how the country wasted 38 years.

If you think that the South ruling you is a matter for civil war, then you are a funny character indeed. I'm wondering how you will fund a civil war with begging bowls in a country thats tired of your antics from the Middle Belt downwards and with educated Emirs ceding leadership to almajiri's (who have burnt down palaces).

Weird.

Ok Firstly, I commend you for somewhat taming you're venomous tendencies. Secondly, your premise is faulty because a) you're talking about a development that has not occurred, you said 4 years, I'm assuming you're saying southerners being in power for another 4 years will transform Nigeria into greatness but a southerner was there for 8 years and not much changed other than GSM. Another fallacy is that you give the conclusion that it is the region that produces the leader that is the cause of Nigeria's slow paced development as opposed to a social cancer namely corruption that has inflicted the whole country not just one region.
Furthermore, you're quite the emotional guy, on the one hand you say the northerners plundered the country which implies that they "the Northerners" have quite a lot of resources at their disposal then you turn around and claim the region is poor and cannot fund a civil war. How does that work. I'd like you to understand that the existence of beggars is not always an economic issue but a social one as well. Go to to NY city, you'll see homeless, starving beggars yet they live in the wealthiest country on earth and a city with one of the highest incomes on the planet. your logic will have them not existing.
Again, lets be reasonable hear, think like a statesman if you have the ability to at this point.

Beaf:
Crap, fit only for almajiri's.

I know you're GEJ's die hard supporter, please put your irrationality aside and reason. do you want to see a civil war in Nigeria? are you willing to pick up a gun nd fight? do you believe in creating tolerance and understanding between the regions?

This is simple. don't turn this thread into gutter trash talk please beaf!

Please be courteous and don't turn this thread into a trash talking one.


I have enumerated in my opinion as a northerner, the causes of the violence and the perspective of a large number of northerners. Please provide alternative opinions or views or perspectives on the causes.

I also want to ask the southerners who contribute or read this if the south is within this democratic arrangement willing to share power with the north on the basis of zoning? or do you prefer a situation where the south will refuse to hand over to the north in 2015 or 2019 serious and rational comments only comments only.

This Thread is purely for dialogue so If you have any venom to spew or any ignorance to put on display, kindly take it elsewhere! Thank You

I wanted to point out a few myths that have been redundantly mentioned on NL.

1) Northerners have a "born to rule mentality"
Really? is that why they voted for MKO Abiola overwhelmingly in 1993?

2) Some will say the reason chief MKO Abiola was voted for by the north is because of him being a muslim! But then when its convenient, someone will turn around and say Hausas don't feel yoruba's are real muslims. Funny how the hypocrisy works.

3) Now concerning Buhari, some accuse the north of retrogressive thinking! Ask any northerner, what was Buhari being called in the north in campaign rallies? He was being called "mai gaskiya" which loosely translates to the "honest" one. Northerners believe that Buhari is incorruptible and is for the common man. He has the record to prove this.

4) Therefore, when votes were rigged to favor GEJ, northerners felt the south chose tribalism over honesty, hence the killing.

5) Now I condemn the killing of innocent lives. That is totally wrong and the religion of Islam says "If you kill an innocent soul, it is as if you have killed all of humanity" Killing is permitted only in self defense. All this talk of infidels is silly. An infidel in Islam is one who does not believe in the existence of God. Christians and Jews are called "people of the book" those who come from the monotheistic faith tradition of Abraham. Muslims believe in Jesus as a messiah. It therefore follows that Muslims do not believe that Nigerians in the south who are majority Christians are infidels. Most northern kids are taught this.

6) The criminal elements that slaughtered innocent citizens on the basis of religion are wrong and its inexcusable. But lets be clear, these riots were purely political but because Christians voted for GEJ solely because of religion, it gave politics a very religious tint.

7) Buhari is a progressive, we should all know this by now, he is not a bigot, if you have proof, I'm ready to see it and accept it. He is not corrupt and would have made an excellent leader had the south not been bamboozled into believing he is an extremist. It was misleading and your elite in the south misled you. In the north too, the emirs conspired against Buhari because they know his position.

I don't want to rationalize death but please provide me the statistics of how many southerners died in the violence. Majority of the people that died were Hausa pdp supporters. and pdp big wigs' property and pdp offices were mostly burned down. Christians were killed but a small percentage of the total number of people killed in the riots and a very tiny percentage of the total number of southern Christians living in the north. very very tiny percentage. There are more southerners living in the north than there are northerners living in the south. Igbos run most major markets across the north. So dont assume this is anything other than political.

Tomorrow’s launch of a major policy on gas for the country will witness President Goodluck Jonathan committing as much as $1 billion to the exploration of natural gas in the next five years.
Also for the first time, the North of the country would see more exploration activities in search of the huge deposit of gas locked up in the bowels of the region.
Earlier in the week, Minister of Petroleum Resources, Diezani Alison-Madueke, told select media houses across the country of the gas revolution the Federal Government is bent on embarking on.
According to her, the investment would have a geographical spread so as to increase industrialisation across the country.
“This is meant to create wealth rapidly across the nation,” she said.
But a top management staff in the ministry pointed out that a key significance of the revolution that would be launched is the commitment to exploiting gas in the North.
According to the minister, President Jonathan in 2010 launched an aggressive focus on drilling gas in Chad Basin, Gongola/Yola Basin, Benue trough and Anambra Basin.
Though this was meant to shore up the country’s gas reserves, the ministry’s top staff who spoke to the paper pointed out that the project was also meant to demonstrate that the president is prepared to grow the North industrially.
The gas exploration will help the country develop gas-based industries.
Part of the projects would be two fertiliser plants, one of which is to be sited in the North. According to the minister, the projects are meant to fuel industrial rebirth in the country.
Other gas-based industries expected are a world scale petrochemical plant, five fertiliser blending plants, a methanol plant and an LNG distribution plant.

It never fails to have my ribs crack ingwhenever southerners try to analyze the north, you know so little of it, about it, its history and even the religion. You draw (especially beaf) the most ignorant generalizations and stereotypes an individual with a brain could possibly muster. Its beyond imagination.
Just to correct some misconceptions.

1)The average northerner would be the happiest man alive if this country were to split. He wants a muslim nation with a muslim ummah, thats preferable to him.

2) Beaf, Almajiri culture extends to Senegal and even Sudan, its not just "Hausa culture" Almajiri's started out as islamic students who were sent to quranic schools far away from home and lived the monk lifestyle. Whether or not this practice is still compatible with modernity is another question entirely.

3) Hausa-Fulani people have more knowledge of southerners, way more than southerners do of them!! The difference is all too glaring. The superiority complex stems from the simple fact that he, the hausa man learned to read and write hundreds of years before southern tribes knew what an alphabet was and were socially indoctrinated and thoroughly colonized by white colonialists. Hausa's hail from the east, Nubia to be exact, they have a glorious history, they stumbled on reading and writing in their contact with arabs through trans-saharan trade routes in the 13th century or before. They weren't colonized by arabs. So I'm giving you the root of any perceived complexes and prejudices Hausa's have regarding southern Nigerians. You call them illiterates, they call you ignorant slaves. HAHAHAHA If only you knew!

4) I'd love to split the country, the only thing keeping southern Nigerians united at this juncture is your mutual hatred for the north, once a split is concluded, you'll turn on each other in your pursuit to dominate each other. The north would not have such a problem because there is a clear block majority.

5) Oil is not a requisite for livelihood nor is it one for prosperity and growth. Nigerians go to many non oil exporting countries as economic refugees. So you can quit with this north loves oil mantra. It deviates from the facts on the ground.

6) I detest sharing a passport with southerners because I cannot travel anywhere without being suspected of being dishonest, fraudulent and scheming. Northerners are certainly not the ones that bring Nigeria this dirty image because their religion teaches being content and having pride in what you have.

7) I reiterate, I'd love a split, absolutely wish for it. But Both southern and Northern elite would rather keep the status quo because it serves them in numerous ways. If you heard what Odien Ajumogobia said to the council on foreign relations, you'll understand exactly what I'm attempting to point out. if 2015 is the year Nigeria will split then I wish as a northerner that i could fast forward to that day. Typical northerners want to split more than you do. Go if you have the liver and ask them in kaduna or kano.

Nigeria serves the interests of not more than 10,000 individuals to whom all are in bondage to and these people have insisted that it remain one country to furnish their interests. The average northerner sees no oil money, smells non of it because its hoarded by the so called "elite" a split therefore implies he is losing absolutely nothing.

9) The fact remains that southern Nigerians understand so little of the north. It is clear from all that I hear and read that this is the case. Will beaf's comments on nairaland change anything or will nairaland have even the minutest baring on what happens in Nigeria, absolutely not!!! You feel you hate northerners, trust me when I tell you they hate you more at this point!

10) the OP said alternative perspective and some of you jumped to spray your hateful venom. The funny thing is which is my last point that northerners are not nearly as bigoted as southerners. Kano voted en mass for MKO Abiola over Bashir Tofa who is from Kano. The north voted overwhelmingly for MKO in 1993. Some how I doubt that southerners would vote for a northerner to that extent. PLEASE break this country up, this is what the majority want but will the slave masters oblige?

11) The riots in the north, where emirs (traditional symbols of islam) palaces were burned to the ground! What does that imply? that the riots are generally over perceived injustices, pent up frustrations, suspicion of colluding to disenfranchise them and deep mutual suspicion that exists between them and xtians and southerners!! Instead of wasting your energy on insulting northerners, why not divert it towards making our dream of a split come true?

The country should be split!!! The elite will not agree to it however. Therefore, you will continue having no electricity and you'll continue to suffer in that country! voting for pdp was voting against your interests if you're an ordinary Nigerian. southerners are such bigots, its sad!! I read one post where someone said "I'd rather vote for a looting president than an almajiri president" WE SHOULD JUST RESOLVE TO SPLIT THAT COUNTRY IN TWO. Thats the best way moving forward!

@beaf! you still dont understand the dynamic it seems. IBB and co have given the impression that they've always fought for northern interests. Na'abba (not so sure he's a "good person") rigged on behalf of the pdp and northerners see that as seeling them into slavery for some measly change in his pocket. The anger is not over goodluck's "win" but over the fact that they massively rigged the election in the north, they inflated pdp votes. No way pdp won 40% of sokoto, this is why sokoto youths attempted to burn down the sultan's palace, they burned down a section of the emir of kano's palace and completely burned down the emir of zaria's palace because they see these people as complicit in rigging their election and inflating gej votes!!

its a case of "I know all my neighbors voted for buhari and all of a sudden we're being told that 40% of us voted for goodluck" so had the election not been rigged, you would not see violence even if goodluck won eventually to which he stood a good chance of!! he most likely would have won the run off but they had to rig to avoid a run off!! so the pdp caused the violence not buhari or the cpc. Dont rig and you will see no violence!! its really as simple as that!!!

@beaf

Not so sure southern Kaduna people who mostly speak hausa would like to join the south as a country, we'd have to ask them, if they do, then you can have them, but we can dredge the river niger north west of lokoja. Either way, I'm saying separation without bitterness might just be the smartest thing to do!

@physicMHD

There will be no vice president, and if the president is incapacitated then the PM takes over and calls for elections within a certain time frame not to exceed 9 months or so!
As I said, the PM is collaborative with the president's office therefore, national planning will ensure that the PM has some say in the economy! He'll basically assume responsibility for what the current ministry of planning does! The functions and duties of the national planning commission (note even a ministry) are quite distinct from the Finance ministry and the CBN (the two major limbs of the economy)! the two overlap a little but each has a clear mandate! The national planning commission plans and recommend courses of action most particularly in the long term!! national planning involves providing statistics and figures, its supposed to be a research based organization!! I dont see a contradiction

^^^^ The whole thing is designed to allow the president more power, the PM's office is to serve as a glorified VP's office but with an actual portfolio not just a figure head VP. The PM's office appeases the region that is not producing the president due to the belief that it is not entirely left behind!! but the PM will no that there are great chances of him loosing any political battle with the president and wont try it!! its cooperative not a rival office.

At this juncture, it is absolutely clear that Nigeria cannot go on with the level of mutual suspicion between north and south for too long, it damages the country both internally and externally and hinders progress. Not to mention causes violence! So if the VP position has been rendered useless and powerless by OBJ's excesses against Atiku, we should scrap it and create an office of the Prime Minister. every four years, there will be an election for the office of the president and anyone can contest irrespective of region, religion or ethnicity. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING.

If the president elected happens to be from the south, then upon being sworn in and the national assembly resuming, the senate will be tasked with the responsibility of appointing a prime minister from the north to compliment a southern president (could be vice versa) only after a two thirds vote in the senate can a prime minister be appointed. The prime minister's tenure will run concurrently with that of the president, 4 years per term renewable for another for years but a maximum of 8 total allowable years. the office of the PM automatically loses its worth if it is subject to being appointed by the president.

The President will control Defense, foreign affairs, security and the economy (this includes all departments of state that pertain to the economy or economic development such as agriculture, petroleum etc). The Prime minister who can only be removed from office through impeachment will control the civil service (meaning office of the SGF will be scrapped) national planning and  the federal capital territory (fct ministry will be scrapped) The president shall appoint a total of two thirds of the cabinet while the PM will appoint the remainder. The president will have the exclusive preserve of appointing the ministers that pertain to his jurisdiction (stated above) the PM has the right to fill at most 30% of the "capital project" cabinet positions such as works, agriculture, housing and urban development, energy/power etc (could be a state or federal minister)

The president will remain the "top dog" but the PM will have significant powers too and true power sharing can be achieved between the major interests of Nigeria. The PM's office is a complementing, cooperative one and not a rival to the president's office. The president will naturally have more legitimacy as a result of direct elections but the PM will nonetheless be a contributing and effective office not a ceremonial and portfolio lacking one as is the vice president's office. This will go far in appeasing the regional interests in the belief that they're not being left out of the power game and by extension not being ruled by the "other"

Thoughts,

There is no born to rule mentality, thats just what you southerners cooked up to rally yourselves against northern political forces. Lame! the riots happened because the election was rigged, goodluck did not get and could not get 40% of sokoto votes as the results showed!

Dont rig elections and there will be no violence! under ordinary circumstances, with no cheating, the election would go into a run off!!! not gej winning by over 10 million votes!! big lie!! rigging!!! you know it, the whole country knows the elections were rigged, northerners, if you heard what they were chanting, were aggrieved by the margin of loss not necessarily because gej "won" All the PDP knows is rigging! they're criminals and have no true legitimacy! if you recall in 1993, Kano people voted en mass for a southerner (MKO ABIOLA) over a son of the soil (Bashir Tofa)

in 1999, there was an agreement, saying power will rotate between north and south, it went to the north for 8 years and reciprocity and adherence to the agreement was naturally expected. It came back to the north, pres died in no time, then it was ok for the vp to continue, but naturally, the agreement should have stayed and gej step down for a northerner in 2011. But southerners said theres no agreement, which agreement, so this is now wayo!!! good and fine, lets have an honest election then, but no, they had to rig!

Most northerners want the country split in two, there's unity in the north and understanding! the only thing keeping southerners united in your hate for the north, if we break up, you'll swallow each other!! The northern elite who have hoarded all the money along with the southern elite are the only people "NIGERIA" is serving so they'll fight to keep the status quo, what average northerner smells oil money? pls tell me! when they're hungry so oil means jack, they couldn't be bothered since a split doesn't mean they lose anything, the only people that will lose are the less than 1000 individuals that make up the core of the northern elite, they all know each other and inter marry!!! get it straight people! I'm a northerner and I'd rather see the country broken up since it doesn't look like we can coexist as a united nation! many countries that have no oil are doing better than Nigeria anyway so oil is not a requisite for livelihood or even prosperity i dare to say, the north was doing fine pre oil before being inflicted with the dastardly dutch disease by the south!!

You can't keep to agreements and the cheat in elections!! so we might as well split! The condition being, for the sake of the history and the many positive effects we've had on each other (it hasn't all been negative hate) you allow us a port through dredging the Niger river and we'll be out of your skin in no time!! There's oil on the Nigerian side of lake Chad anyway since it exists on the Chadian side and the soil and geology is the same, it therefore must exist on the Nigerian side! politics won't let us be serious about exploration!!! But I'd love to split the country!!

There is no born to rule mentality, thats just what you southerners cooked up to rally yourselves against northern political forces. Lame! the riots happened because the election was rigged, goodluck did not get and could not get 40% of sokoto votes as the results showed!

Dont rig elections and there will be no violence! under ordinary circumstances, with no cheating, the election would go into a run off!!! not gej winning by over 10 million votes!! big lie!! rigging!!! you know it, the whole country knows the elections were rigged, northerners, if you heard what they were chanting, were aggrieved by the margin of loss not necessarily because gej "won" All the PDP knows is rigging! they're criminals and have no true legitimacy! if you recall in 1993, Kano people voted en mass for a southerner (MKO ABIOLA) over a son of the soil (Bashir Tofa)

in 1999, there was an agreement, saying power will rotate between north and south, it went to the north for 8 years and reciprocity and adherence to the agreement was naturally expected. It came back to the north, pres died in no time, then it was ok for the vp to continue, but naturally, the agreement should have stayed and gej step down for a northerner in 2011. But southerners said theres no agreement, which agreement, so this is now wayo!!! good and fine, lets have an honest election then, but no, they had to rig!

Most northerners want the country split in two, there's unity in the north and understanding! the only thing keeping southerners united in your hate for the north, if we break up, you'll swallow each other!! The northern elite who have hoarded all the money along with the southern elite are the only people "NIGERIA" is serving so they'll fight to keep the status quo, what average northerner smells oil money? pls tell me! when they're hungry so oil means jack, they couldn't be bothered since a split doesn't mean they lose anything, the only people that will lose are the less than 1000 individuals that make up the core of the northern elite, they all know each other and inter marry!!! get it straight people! I'm a northerner and I'd rather see the country broken up since it doesn't look like we can coexist as a united nation! many countries that have no oil are doing better than Nigeria anyway so oil is not a requisite for livelihood or even prosperity i dare to say, the north was doing fine pre oil before being inflicted with the dastardly dutch disease by the south!!

You can't keep to agreements and the cheat in elections!! so we might as well split! The condition being, for the sake of the history and the many positive effects we've had on each other (it hasn't all been negative hate) you allow us a port through dredging the Niger river and we'll be out of your skin in no time!! There's oil on the Nigerian side of lake Chad anyway since it exists on the Chadian side and the soil and geology is the same, it therefore must exist on the Nigerian side! politics won't let us be serious about exploration!!! But I'd love to split the country!!

There is no born to rule mentality, thats just what you southerners cooked up to rally yourselves against northern political forces. Lame! the riots happened because the election was rigged, goodluck did not get and could not get 40% of sokoto votes as the results showed!

Dont rig elections and there will be no violence! under ordinary circumstances, with no cheating, the election would go into a run off!!! not gej winning by over 10 million votes!! big lie!! rigging!!! you know it, the whole country knows the elections were rigged, northerners, if you heard what they were chanting, were aggrieved by the margin of loss not necessarily because gej "won" All the PDP knows is rigging! they're criminals and have no true legitimacy! if you recall in 1993, Kano people voted en mass for a southerner (MKO ABIOLA) over a son of the soil (Bashir Tofa)

in 1999, there was an agreement, saying power will rotate between north and south, it went to the north for 8 years and reciprocity and adherence to the agreement was naturally expected. It came back to the north, pres died in no time, then it was ok for the vp to continue, but naturally, the agreement should have stayed and gej step down for a northerner in 2011. But southerners said theres no agreement, which agreement, so this is now wayo!!! good and fine, lets have an honest election then, but no, they had to rig!

Most northerners want the country split in two, there's unity in the north and understanding! the only thing keeping southerners united in your hate for the north, if we break up, you'll swallow each other!! The northern elite who have hoarded all the money along with the southern elite are the only people "NIGERIA" is serving so they'll fight to keep the status quo, what average northerner smells oil money? pls tell me! when they're hungry so oil means jack, they couldn't be bothered since a split doesn't mean they lose anything, the only people that will lose are the less than 1000 individuals that make up the core of the northern elite, they all know each other and inter marry!!! get it straight people! I'm a northerner and I'd rather see the country broken up since it doesn't look like we can coexist as a united nation! many countries that have no oil are doing better than Nigeria anyway so oil is not a requisite for livelihood or even prosperity i dare to say, the north was doing fine pre oil before being inflicted with the dastardly dutch disease by the south!!

You can't keep to agreements and the cheat in elections!! so we might as well split! The condition being, for the sake of the history and the many positive effects we've had on each other (it hasn't all been negative hate) you allow us a port through dredging the Niger river and we'll be out of your skin in no time!! There's oil on the Nigerian side of lake Chad anyway since it exists on the Chadian side and the soil and geology is the same, it therefore must exist on the Nigerian side! politics won't let us be serious about exploration!!! But I'd love to split the country!!

There is no born to rule mentality, thats just what you southerners cooked up to rally yourselves against northern political forces. Lame! the riots happened because the election was rigged, goodluck did not get and could not get 40% of sokoto votes as the results showed!

Dont rig elections and there will be no violence! under ordinary circumstances, with no cheating, the election would go into a run off!!! not gej winning by over 10 million votes!! big lie!! rigging!!! you know it, the whole country knows the elections were rigged, northerners, if you heard what they were chanting, were aggrieved by the margin of loss not necessarily because gej "won" All the PDP knows is rigging! they're criminals and have no true legitimacy! if you recall in 1993, Kano people voted en mass for a southerner (MKO ABIOLA) over a son of the soil (Bashir Tofa)

in 1999, there was an agreement, saying power will rotate between north and south, it went to the north for 8 years and reciprocity and adherence to the agreement was naturally expected. It came back to the north, pres died in no time, then it was ok for the vp to continue, but naturally, the agreement should have stayed and gej step down for a northerner in 2011. But southerners said theres no agreement, which agreement, so this is now wayo!!! good and fine, lets have an honest election then, but no, they had to rig!

Most northerners want the country split in two, there's unity in the north and understanding! the only thing keeping southerners united in your hate for the north, if we break up, you'll swallow each other!! The northern elite who have hoarded all the money along with the southern elite are the only people "NIGERIA" is serving so they'll fight to keep the status quo, what average northerner smells oil money? pls tell me! when they're hungry so oil means jack, they couldn't be bothered since a split doesn't mean they lose anything, the only people that will lose are the less than 1000 individuals that make up the core of the northern elite, they all know each other and inter marry!!! get it straight people! I'm a northerner and I'd rather see the country broken up since it doesn't look like we can coexist as a united nation! many countries that have no oil are doing better than Nigeria anyway so oil is not a requisite for livelihood or even prosperity i dare to say, the north was doing fine pre oil before being inflicted with the dastardly dutch disease by the south!!

You can't keep to agreements and the cheat in elections!! so we might as well split! The condition being, for the sake of the history and the many positive effects we've had on each other (it hasn't all been negative hate) you allow us a port through dredging the Niger river and we'll be out of your skin in no time!! There's oil on the Nigerian side of lake Chad anyway since it exists on the Chadian side and the soil and geology is the same, it therefore must exist on the Nigerian side! politics won't let us be serious about exploration!!! But I'd love to split the country!!

There is no born to rule mentality, thats just what you southerners cooked up to rally yourselves against northern political forces. Lame! the riots happened because the election was rigged, goodluck did not get and could not get 40% of sokoto votes as the results showed!

Dont rig elections and there will be no violence! under ordinary circumstances, with no cheating, the election would go into a run off!!! not gej winning by over 10 million votes!! big lie!! rigging!!! you know it, the whole country knows the elections were rigged, northerners, if you heard what they were chanting, were aggrieved by the margin of loss not necessarily because gej "won" All the PDP knows is rigging! they're criminals and have no true legitimacy! if you recall in 1993, Kano people voted en mass for a southerner (MKO ABIOLA) over a son of the soil (Bashir Tofa)

in 1999, there was an agreement, saying power will rotate between north and south, it went to the north for 8 years and reciprocity and adherence to the agreement was naturally expected. It came back to the north, pres died in no time, then it was ok for the vp to continue, but naturally, the agreement should have stayed and gej step down for a northerner in 2011. But southerners said theres no agreement, which agreement, so this is now wayo!!! good and fine, lets have an honest election then, but no, they had to rig!

Most northerners want the country split in two, there's unity in the north and understanding! the only thing keeping southerners united in your hate for the north, if we break up, you'll swallow each other!! The northern elite who have hoarded all the money along with the southern elite are the only people "NIGERIA" is serving so they'll fight to keep the status quo, what average northerner smells oil money? pls tell me! when they're hungry so oil means jack, they couldn't be bothered since a split doesn't mean they lose anything, the only people that will lose are the less than 1000 individuals that make up the core of the northern elite, they all know each other and inter marry!!! get it straight people! I'm a northerner and I'd rather see the country broken up since it doesn't look like we can coexist as a united nation! many countries that have no oil are doing better than Nigeria anyway so oil is not a requisite for livelihood or even prosperity i dare to say, the north was doing fine pre oil before being inflicted with the dastardly dutch disease by the south!!

You can't keep to agreements and the cheat in elections!! so we might as well split! The condition being, for the sake of the history and the many positive effects we've had on each other (it hasn't all been negative hate) you allow us a port through dredging the Niger river and we'll be out of your skin in no time!! There's oil on the Nigerian side of lake Chad anyway since it exists on the Chadian side and the soil and geology is the same, it therefore must exist on the Nigerian side! politics won't let us be serious about exploration!!! But I'd love to split the country!!

There is no born to rule mentality, thats just what you southerners cooked up to rally yourselves against northern political forces. Lame! the riots happened because the election was rigged, goodluck did not get and could not get 40% of sokoto votes as the results showed!

Dont rig elections and there will be no violence! under ordinary circumstances, with no cheating, the election would go into a run off!!! not gej winning by over 10 million votes!! big lie!! rigging!!! you know it, the whole country knows the elections were rigged, northerners, if you heard what they were chanting, were aggrieved by the margin of loss not necessarily because gej "won" All the PDP knows is rigging! they're criminals and have no true legitimacy! if you recall in 1993, Kano people voted en mass for a southerner (MKO ABIOLA) over a son of the soil (Bashir Tofa)

in 1999, there was an agreement, saying power will rotate between north and south, it went to the north for 8 years and reciprocity and adherence to the agreement was naturally expected. It came back to the north, pres died in no time, then it was ok for the vp to continue, but naturally, the agreement should have stayed and gej step down for a northerner in 2011. But southerners said theres no agreement, which agreement, so this is now wayo!!! good and fine, lets have an honest election then, but no, they had to rig!

Most northerners want the country split in two, there's unity in the north and understanding! the only thing keeping southerners united in your hate for the north, if we break up, you'll swallow each other!! The northern elite who have hoarded all the money along with the southern elite are the only people "NIGERIA" is serving so they'll fight to keep the status quo, what average northerner smells oil money? pls tell me! when they're hungry so oil means jack, they couldn't be bothered since a split doesn't mean they lose anything, the only people that will lose are the less than 1000 individuals that make up the core of the northern elite, they all know each other and inter marry!!! get it straight people! I'm a northerner and I'd rather see the country broken up since it doesn't look like we can coexist as a united nation! many countries that have no oil are doing better than Nigeria anyway so oil is not a requisite for livelihood or even prosperity i dare to say, the north was doing fine pre oil before being inflicted with the dastardly dutch disease by the south!!

You can't keep to agreements and the cheat in elections!! so we might as well split! The condition being, for the sake of the history and the many positive effects we've had on each other (it hasn't all been negative hate) you allow us a port through dredging the Niger river and we'll be out of your skin in no time!! There's oil on the Nigerian side of lake Chad anyway since it exists on the Chadian side and the soil and geology is the same, it therefore must exist on the Nigerian side! politics won't let us be serious about exploration!!! But I'd love to split the country!!

what people are saying is that gej could not have possibly won with the margins he won by not that the win is disputed per say, but him winning 40% of sokoto votes is somewhat hard to believe.

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=649587.msg8163678#msg8163678 date=1303219374]President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan should by executive order, issue a shoot-at-sight command to the security agents whilst imposing a dusk till dawn curfew in all the states affected,  And if necessary declare a state of emergency in those states,  These Almajiri coc.k-suckers need to recognize who's boss,  He no longer has anything to fear so let him release his inner militant,  The north need to be made to understand that we are in charge now and we won't hesitate to do to any comunity or group of people the same thing that was done to the people of Odi,  If it had the power to make these decisions, the North will not rule this country till we turn 100,  They need to be humbled and that thought of them being the superior tribe deleted from their psyche,[/quote]HAHAHAAHA you're a funny guy, good luck with that, i doubt that'll ever happen if you know the north! I think the country just needs to be split in two! that would be great!!

beaf is a fool of the highest order. Why did he have to rig, he cheated northerners and now its going to be hard for him to stay there!! The sad fact is, he could've won but only in a run off!!! Can you imagine, they burned down the emir of kano's palace and former speaker ghali na'abba's house as well. If they can do that then you know the PDP rigged. Jonathan cannot get 40% of the votes in sokoto, thats rigging and a big question mark!! he could've have won in a run off but in his desperation to avoid a run off, he had to go and rig!!! thats just what is causing this. Even namadi sambo's family home in zaria was razed to the ground! HE SHOULD NOT HAVE RIGGED!!! NOW ALL OUT WAR MAY NOT BE FAR OFF!!! just coz of do or die politics