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TheShopKeeper:
...lawrence O’Donnel who broke the information made an error in judgement reporting about trump, 'made an error', it's all in the phrasing, he's not denying the allegation, he's apologizing for saying it publicly...even when he was presenting this allegation on tuesday he stressed that it was not confirmed...

..this is more than you'll ever get from trump who inappropriately passes along unverified conspiracy theories and makes claims easily, fact checked to be false in his role as President of the United States all the time and never retracts or apologizes...

...the ball is now in trump's court to sue both the reporter and msnbc...

Complete bullocks!!! He got his fake story from a single source who they admit has not seen any of the documents. O'Donnell has not seen the documents, his one source has not seen the documents yet he went on to report it as news? Only two words for that, FAKE NEWS!! Is it not too much of a coincidence that immediately Trump's attorney contacted them to retract the story or face legal action, MSNBC and their quack journalist immediately ran to walk back their story? The cowards know they are lying their hearts out. Anyway, I am happy that Eric Trump has confirmed that the Trump organization will be taking legal action against the fake news mongers. You can't just go about publishing unconfirmed rumours and call yourself a journalist. Lawrence O'Donnell is a quack.

You will get it back, she's now a celeb, use the popularity wisely. That's if she doesn't behave like a Jezebel and dump you for another man

TheShopKeeper:
...russian co-signers on deutsche bank loans to donald trump is trending on twitter...


Deutsche Bank said in court papers it has tax returns responsive to a subpoena sent this year, in which Congress asked the bank for a host of documents related to Trump and his family. The bank have lent Trump’s real estate company millions of dollars over the years. Lawmakers have said they are seeking the banking records as they investigate possible “foreign influence in the U.S. political process.”

Trump and three of his children sued to stop the House Financial Services and Intelligence committees from getting the records on the grounds that the requests were overly broad and unconstitutional. When he was taking out loans at the bank, the tax returns would have been submitted as part of the loan applications. The loan applications would have co-signers, who will have obliged to cover the loans should in case Trump defaulted (well Trump has defaulted on loans given to him by U.S. banks, which resulted in them not eager to lend him). A source reported that Russian Oligarchs co-signed Trump loans (it is a known fact that Russian Oligarchs don't do anything without the approval of Putin).

It isn't a suprise that Trump is fighting hard to get Russia back into the community of industrialized nations G-7.

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It is fake news, here is an MSNBC news producer clarifying that the source for the story “has not seen the bank records” and that NBC “has not yet been able to verify the reporting”:

https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1166680249821782017?s=20

STOP SPREADING FAKE NEWS

Congrats rema

sirusX:
Not bad

Wait...hope it's not photoshop media & publicity stunt

It's not Photoshop, go to Obama's Twitter page and confirm it for yourself.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1165286625208950784?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

softwerk:


Na lie!

Photoshop!

It's not a lie, Obama also posted it on twitter.
click this link to Obama's Twitter page and see for yourself.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1165286625208950784?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

No

Bennycollins:
Hmm. What's the implication then.?

It means The APC had no candidate for the elections but I think this one will get to the supreme court before INEC acts on it.

So there is nothing preventing INEC from announcing PDP as the winner. It's remaining Adamawa and rivers state. These elections have been one of the worsts ever in my lifetime

Timbuktuo:
HAPPY NO COLLUSION DAY. Especially to the Angry Democrats in this thread who are unhappy their president isn't a Putin puppet.

This is the first time I am seeing a group of people that are so unhappy that the President of their own country was found not to be an agent of a foreign nation. Ordinarily, this should have made them more happy and comfortable but you can see that these people are very unpatriotic

Timbuktuo:
My 8yo old son argues with far better logic than Trump haters in this thread.

Like seriously, sometimes I feel like I am arguing with kids.

7Alexandre:
Why would I admit that I’m wrong when I’m not...

Two copies of the report from Robert Muller was sent out one to the Attorney General & the other one to Deputy Attorney General...

They both received same report albeit few minutes apart...

You’ve not presented any evidence that proves that only one Report was sent out & that it was personally Rob Rosenstein that took his own Report to Attorney General William Barr Office...

Have you?

Stop spinning the argument...

So Robert Mueller submitted two reports to the same DOJ? Lol , I give up

7Alexandre:
A) The Letter began with the heading

The Attorney General

Washington D.C.

Who is the Attorney General= The Attorney General is William Barr

If the Report was prepared by Rob Rosenstein then it would have began with the heading

The Deputy Attorney General

Washington D.C.

But it didn’t.

B) At the end of the Report only one signature is made available

Whose signature was it= Attorney General William Barr

If Rob Rosenstein had prepared the report he would have signed it but he never did which proves the fact that he only made a minimal contribution to the overall report...

This Four Page Summary Report was authored & prepared by a Trump Appointee & Puppet who also happens to be well know as a Bias leaning Conservative Republican within the Washington D.C. Community...

It would be very foolish of me to believe such Report as accurate & unbiased...

I await the Full Report authored by Special Counsel Robert Muller before I can pass judgement...

Gibberish!! You asked me to provide evidence that Rod Rosenstein was the one who received the report from Mueller and that he participated actively in the analysis of the report and decision to say there wasn't obstruction before Barr wrote the summary. You're just trying to change subjects instead of admitting that I was right and you were wrong.

You posted this

7Alexandre:
Again you’re making false statements...

Special Counsel Robert Muller submitted the report to Attorney General William Barr directly...

It was Attorney General William Barr that then contacted Rob Rosenstein to inform him that Special Counsel Robert Muller Report has been received...

It was also Attorney General William Barr that drafted a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee informing them that the Report has been received...

It’s also very important to point out that four Page Summary Report was prepared under the guidance of Attorney General William Barr with minimal effort from Rob Rosenstein...

I responded with this

garetz:
You are wrong!! Mueller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein, it was Rod Rosenstein that took it to Attorney general Barr. And they analysed it together and decided there was no obstruction before Barr wrote the summary

Then you responded with this

7Alexandre:
Completely false...

Prove that Muller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein & that they both analyzed it together...

So I had to go and bring the proof you requested for. Stop trying to be clever by half, just admit you were wrong, you won't die if you do

7Alexandre:
False...

They do...

That’s the reason why they’re part of the highly sensitive committee...

If they didn’t have clearances then they wouldn’t be able to view highly classified information...

Why do you think that Congress sometimes has a closed door testimony...

Because high classified information are being discussed & as a result members of the public are not granted entry...

They may have the right to view issues relating to security and intelligence but they absolutely have no right to information gotten from the grand jury and individual citizens that were investigated but not indicted in the report

7Alexandre:
I’m not wrong...

Two copies were delivered...

One to William Barr & One to Rob Rosenstein...

Didn’t you say that William Barr never got one?

That it was Rob Rosenstein that brought his to Williams Barr office which is a lie...

From the CNN Report both got a copy each...

Only one copy was delivered and it was delivered to rod Rosenstein, it was rod Rosenstein that took the copy that was delivered to him to AG Barr's office. Go back and read those CNN reports I posted and this time read it slowly and carefully with understanding

7Alexandre:
Then why’re they taking so much time to release the unredacted version to High ranking members of the House Judicial Committee?

Because even those high ranking members have no right to view the private information of jurors, witnesses and people who may have been investigated but ultimately not indicted. All these also need to be redacted.

7Alexandre:
Completely false...

Prove that Muller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein & that they both analyzed it together...

I have taken my time to go and get you all these clips from CNN. Let the facts speak for itself and admit that you are the one that is completely wrong

7Alexandre:
I’m not asking Barr to release the unredacted Report to the public...

I’m asking that the unredacted Report be released to Democrats in the Judiciary committee who’re members of Congress & are privilege to access classified information...

Bar should declassify the one meant for the public but that of members of the Judiciary committee shouldn’t be declassified...

Anyone that has security clearance to view the unredacted document will be allowed to view it

7Alexandre:
Again you’re making false statements...

Special Counsel Robert Muller submitted the report to Attorney General William Barr directly...

It was Attorney General William Barr that then contacted Rob Rosenstein to inform him that Special Counsel Robert Muller Report has been received...

It was also Attorney General William Barr that drafted a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee informing them that the Report has been received...

It’s also very important to point out that four Page Summary Report was prepared under the guidance of Attorney General William Barr with minimal effort from Rob Rosenstein...

It’s also worth noting to point out that the Democrats in the judiciary committee have explicitly expressed their interest to call upon Special Counsel Robert Muller to testify in due time...

But however they must wait until the Full unredacted Report from Special Counsel Robert Muller is received & read before any actions can be taken...

You are wrong!! Mueller submitted the report to Rod Rosenstein, it was Rod Rosenstein that took it to Attorney general Barr. And they analysed it together and decided there was no obstruction before Barr wrote the summary

7Alexandre:
And where in the Report did Special Counsel Robert Muller in his own words state that President Donald J Trump has been exonerated from obstruction of Justice?

I never said he did, I said he was conflicted so he left it to the DOJ to decide and they decided there was none. You are the one saying he found that there was obstruction and that's why I asked you to show us where he said anything like that

7Alexandre:
Like I said before I would wait until the Full unredacted Report from Special Counsel Robert Muller is released...

I would be extremely stupid to trust a four page summary report prepared by a Trump Appointee & a well known Biased Conservative Leaning Republican.

We need the Full unredacted Report.

No exceptions!!!

You are asking for something that is legally impossible. Barr can not release the report unredacted without breaking the law because that will mean publishing publicly names and details about people that were investigated but not indicted. It will also mean the release of details about jurors and information gotten from them and of course, it will also mean the release of information that has to do with America's national security interests so there is no way Barr will release it unredacted. He, the DOJ and the intelligence community will go through it and redact any details that can't be legally released to the public before releasing the report

7Alexandre:
Rod Rosenstein is irrelevant to me...

As far as I’m concerned Attorney General William Barr is the one that drafted up the letter...

Now let me ask you why did you think President Donald J Trump fired Attorney General Sessions from office when he recused himself from the Russian Election Meddling Investigation by Special Counsel Robert Muller?

Because President Donald J Trump wanted to install a Loyalist & puppet who wouldn’t bring any charges against him which explains the reason he chose Attorney General William Barr a puppet & well known Bias Conservative within the Washington DC circle...

Rod Rosenstein the man who appointed Mueller, received the report from him, participated in analysing and summarizing the report is irrelevant? You know why you are trying to trivialize Rosenstein's role is because everybody knows he is not a fan of Trump so you can't use accusations of bias against him. Unfortunately for you, he played a major role in producing that summary and deciding that there was no obstruction so if you are suggesting that there is a cover up going on here then you are by extension saying that Rosenstein is part of the cover up and I doubt any sensible person will believe that. And Mueller is still alive by the way, so if democrats feel there is a cover up, they should subpoena him and ask him if his report is being misrepresented by Barr and Rosenstein but I doubt they will because they know in their hearts that there is no cover up and there was no collusion. All this drama they are acting is political theatre to tarnish trump and nothing more

7Alexandre:
False...

The only conflict Special Counsel Muller has was knowing that indicting a Sitting President would throw the entire nation into a Constitutional Crises...

As a result he choose the safe option...

Which was to take a middle ground to avoid accusations of bias by both sides of the aisle

If he wasn’t conflicted when he made a decision that President Donald J Trump did not collude with Russian then Special Counsel Robert Muller is certainly not conflicted as to whether or not President Donald J Trump obstructed justice...

He knows the answer but choose to do what is best for the country while carefully following laid down guidelines by the DOJ which specifically states that a sitting President cannot be indicted...

By not explicitly stating that President Donald J Trump obstructed justice, Special Counsel Muller avoided the worst case scenario which was a Constitutional crisis..

@bolded, can you please show us where the report or the summary says so?

7Alexandre:
And for those of you not aware of the politics at play it’s very important for y’all to read the 18 Page Memo written by Attorney General William Barr in June 2018 criticizing & undermining the Special Counsel Muller investigation...

It’s definitely an eye opener...

And Rod Rosenstein? Is he also colluding to criticize and undermine the special counsel he appointed in the first place?

7Alexandre:
False...

You’re interpreting it the wrong way...

Special Counsel Robert Muller is simply using complex legal terms...

The only difficult issue is the guidelines which the DOJ established as a precedent & Special Counsel Muller must adhere to...

If Special Counsel Robert Muller would have said explicitly President Donald J Trump obstructed justice that would be seen as an impeachable offense which would throw the whole country into Constitutional crises

He deliberately avoided that scenario...

If President Donald J Trump was innocent then it wouldn’t be difficult to state that President Donald J Trump didn’t obstruct justice but he didn’t say so...

You're the one interpreting it the wrong way, I just posted for you what the summary literally said but you really over reaching by somehow going into Mueller's mind to know that he deliberately avoided concluding there was obstruction because he doesn't want to throw the country into crises. Mueller never said anything like that but he clearly said he was having difficulty deciding if there was obstruction or not hence his decision to leave that conclusion to the DOJ

Attorney general Barr and Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein found no evidence of obstruction.

“In cataloguing the President’s actions, many of which took place in public view, the (Mueller) report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent”

7Alexandre:
Yes he did...

He did find that President Donald J Trump did obstruct Justice...

But President Donald J Trump didn’t collude with the Russians...

Where in the report did he find that Trump obstructed justice

7Alexandre:
If he did so he would be throwing the entire nation into a Constitutional Crises...

Moreover he was operating under strict DOJ guidelines which specifically states that a sitting President cannot be indicted...

He did exactly what he was hired to do...

If President Donald J Trump didn’t obstruct justice he would have said so without any ambiguity...

Didn’t he say that President Donald J Trump did not collide with Russian?

Then why couldn’t he also say in very simple concise term that President Donald J Trump did not obstruct justice...

But he didn’t...

“For each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leave unresolved what the special counsel views as ‘difficult issues’ of law and fact concerning whether the President’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction,”

This is what the summary literally said. It's clear this has nothing to do with a desire not to indict a sitting president. Mueller was conflicted on if the president's actions amounted to obstruction so he pushed it to the DOJ to decide and they did, they said there was none

7Alexandre:
You’re asking relevant questions...

The Special Counsel has broad authority...

This broad authority also includes trying to uncover whether or not President Donald J Trump attempted to obstruct Justice...

That’s why he is a Special Counsel...

Special Counsel have broad authority...

All they do is follow the lead...

If it leads them to Money Laudering, Obstruction of Justice & Collusion then it has to be investigated...

Now matter how much you guys complain, Special Counsel Robert Muller is within his right to explore every possible leads...

The point is that after all his explorations, he didn't find anything against Trump

7Alexandre:
Didn’t I just say that Special Counsel Robert Muller said that there was no evidence of collusion?

Did you actually read my post or you just skim through them...

What we’re arguing about is obstruction of justice...

Did President Donald J Trump by his actions attempted to obstruct justice...

Special Counsel Robert Muller believes so...

If he didn’t obstruct justice then he would have explicitly stated that President Donald J Trump did not obstruct justice but he did not...

If he believed so, he should have written so in his report. What is he scared of? He decided to leave the decision to others and those others have decided that there was no obstruction.

7Alexandre:
We’re no longer talking about collusion...

Special Counsel Robert Muller was very clear that there was no evidence of collusion...

What we’re now trying to find out is if President Donald J Trump by his actions carried out an obstruction of justice

Special Counsel Robert Muller believe he did but Attorney General William Barr a Trump puppet & Appointee believes his Boss did not...

Now it’s left for the U.S. Congress to comb through the full unredacted Report from Special Counsel Robert Muller & then make a determination as to whether an obstruction of justice was carried out & if necessary initiate proceedings...

Again I would urge everyone to wait for the Full unredacted Report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller to avoid jumping into hasty conclusions...

What was the entire investigation about in the first place? Was it not to find out if Trump colluded with Russia or not?

7Alexandre:
Again you’re making a false statement...

Special Counsel Robert Muller in his own words never exonerated President Donald J Trump...

It was Attorney General William Barr a Trump Appointee who choose to override the Special Counsel Decision...

Don’t claim that President Donald J Trump is exonerated when the man tasked with the investigative job never explicitly say so in his own words...

Again we’re no longer talking about collusion...

We’re now talking about obstruction of Justice...

Did President Donald J Trump by his actions intend to obstruct justice?

Special Counsel Robert Muller thinks so but Attorney William Barr thinks otherwise...

Well that’s why we have the U.S. Congress

Congress must investigate as to whether or not President Donald J Trump actions amounted to obstruction of Justice & if necessary determine the next course of action...

Are you sure you even read the summary? Or maybe you need to go and read it again. The report states that there was not any evidence of collusion by either Trump or his campaign. And those were Muellers words not Barr's. It was on obstruction of the Mueller probe that the comment you referred to was made