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Religion / Re: Why You Need To Take God’s Word Seriously And Study It For Yourself by gaskiyamagana: 1:40pm On Apr 13
Kobojunkie:
A Bible is merely a collection of books that are considered scripture. The collection can be of either 66 or even 4 or more. Why does the consistency of the information in the books need to be dependent on the number of books in the collection? I don't follow! undecided

Additionally, if you do not like any of the translations available out there, you are free to consult the Hebrew or Greek collections for your self. It just seems time-wasting to have to argue inconsistency based on the number of books in a collection — a bible. undecided

Is a dictionary — a library/collection of words and definitions— inconsistent on the basis that it does not contain the same # of words and definitions as another dictionary out there? undecided
Roboticalized reasoning cum response.
Religion / Re: Why You Need To Take God’s Word Seriously And Study It For Yourself by gaskiyamagana: 1:38pm On Apr 13
AbuTwins:


All these can be said of many other religious books. Those opinions above are subjective. Do you have any objective opinions as to why the Bible is the word of God and how the Bible is consistent?

Can you brief us on how the Bible came to be what it is today?

Some Bible has 66 books, some 73, some 82, 83 books etc. Explain how it is consistent?

In the preface to RSV, the 50 scholars of Divinity that wrote it accaimed that the KJV has great defects and that's what necessitates the RSV.

And KJV is the most popular and the most translated to other languages!

So tell me how can the Bible contain any truth when even the Christian scholars/writers admit great defects in it!




He is a newly 'roboticalized ' scholar who knows more than his religion scholars and we who are objective and intuitive about fallacy, fiction, FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISINTERPRETATION and MISREPRESENTATION upon which their religion is founded.
Religion / Re: Why You Need To Take God’s Word Seriously And Study It For Yourself by gaskiyamagana: 1:34pm On Apr 13
Veecruz:


Muslim, this is Easy na and you already know the answers!

1) Its wisdom is far and above what any man who has read it could ever have come up with.

2) it consistently speaks The Truth, even if many find it difficult to understand and comprehend.

3) it consistently annoys and angers devils because it exposed all their evil plans.
You don't know that you are not in Sunday and Wednesday Bible study?
Your 3reasons are acceptable to toddlers in the comparative study of bible and other holy book.
Religion / Re: Why You Need To Take God’s Word Seriously And Study It For Yourself by gaskiyamagana: 1:31pm On Apr 13
AbuTwins:


How is the Bible the word of God?
How is the Bible consistent?

Just give verifiable proofs inside and outside the Bible!
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Jeremiah 8:8 is number one proof and evidence that O. A. Lawal Economic text book of early 80s is far better than BLIEBLE.
Religion / Re: Why You Need To Take God’s Word Seriously And Study It For Yourself by gaskiyamagana: 1:28pm On Apr 13
holymike47:
Are you always seeking a pastor to help you with prayers? Maybe you have grown to believe that as soon as a particular ‘man-of God’ lays hand on you, all your problems will be over. Do you really understand God’s Word for yourself? Have you taken the time to search out God’s word with the same diligence you use for your academics or business?

Sometime ago, I had a call with one of my friends, a Christian, she was seriously complaining about hardship, poverty, and the enemy, attributing her sufferings to some enemies – wicked friends or evil family members. It seemed to be the norm: to blame difficulty on some ‘village people’, who we believe are responsible for our hardship. We blame them when things are not working out, we curse them by directing most of our prayers towards them.

My question
I asked her: but we are Christians, how come the enemies have power over us? If we say we believe in God and are following him, why do we complain so much about enemies? Why do we feel defeated? Is it that they have power over us whose lives are hidden in Christ? What about our authority in Christ?

I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. (Luke 10:19)

I also know that greater is He in us than he who is in the world.

I really pondered over this conversation. Why are believers always complaining of the enemy? why does it seem we are at their mercy? why do we organize repeated prayer sessions to ‘bind the devil’? why do we sometimes go to church with physical weapons to fight enemies?

I decided to do a diligent study of the bible for myself. I told myself, if I can learn computer programming myself and become proficient, why can’t I study the bible with the same zeal. Why can’t I study the bible the same way I studied in university for my courses, during exams, or during my research project.

So, I decided to create distraction-free time for detailed bible study. I started from Genesis chapter 1. I prayed hard and studied so diligently. My passion grew as I journeyed. With the increased interest and clarity, and realizing the bible is very consistent, I studied almost every book.

Before now, I had believed that the bible, especially the Old Testament, is boring. Someone had communicated this to me by how he always acted frustrated whenever reading the bible. Someone also joked that if you want to fall asleep, just pick the bible and start reading. As simple as this may sound, this is one of the greatest limiting factors people are facing today, people are discouraged from studying the bible, they make you feel it’s ‘rocket science’, or some kind of esoteric concept.

This is the major cause of suffering all over the world because people do not understand the will of God and are poorly guided.

The word of God is consistent
The word of God all through the bible is very consistent. If you sincerely study the bible, you will understand the will of God; you will find the knowledge of God.
You will know that God wants the best for you and is always looking for ways to bless you;
You will be set-free from fears holding you back;
You will understand that the enemy has no power over you;
You will know that God is not interested in your money; you do not need to sow seeds before God blesses you;


God is passionate
God is fervent; He is very passionate, and also patient. He speaks through numerous examples. The easiest way to demonstrate something is through actions and examples. That’s what God has done for us; He demonstrated His will, repeatedly, through numerous illustrations over history. When someone is arguing or twisting a concept, an easy way to know the truth is a question like ‘show me an example or a related story’.

What does God require of us
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God (Micah 6:cool.

If there is only one role of God today, I will say it is justice. God is a God of Justice, integrity, honesty, and due process. He will never allow injustice to prevail, he continuously oversees these things. Corruption is a primary cause of spiritual blindness, and the reason you may seem defeated.

The LORD detests dishonest scales, but accurate weights find favor with Him. (proverbs 11: 1).

God expects us to be truthful and kind, and to treat other the way we want to be treated.


Do not be ignorant of the wiles of the enemy
The book of Job chapter 1 provides what I consider the ultimate spiritual welfare strategy. Firstly, God described a righteous man:
“Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” (V8).

Then the enemy confessed that no one can harm a God-fearing man:
“Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.” (V11).

This simply illustrates that when you are humble, truthful, honest, and faithfully serving God, you ought not worry much about enemies, nor even the devil, for God himself will be your shield.

For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding. He holds success in store for the upright, he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless, for he guards the course of the just and protects the way of his faithful ones. (Proverbs 2:6-cool

So, why do believers seem defeated
The No.1 real enemies we have are the false preacher and teacher, that occupy every channel today, teaching all manners of greed and lies. They are the ones ‘binding’ most Christians; they are the cause of suffering.


A great sorrow is to be under a false prophet, a fake pastor or a so-called man of God. This is a terrible thing – to be constantly bombarded by lies and deceptions from false teachings. This is one of the greatest limitations in life. This is the main reason people are suffering and never amount to anything in life.


They do not teach the word of God, they know that once you truly understand the word of God, you will be empowered, so they deliberately twist things up to leave you confused, so as to continuously feast on you.

They systematically discourage you from studying the bible for yourself, making it look difficult. They quote words out of context. They emphasize on doctrine instead of character. Their interest is money.
Importantly, because of their greed, they do not teach you spiritual welfare strategies. So, many believers do not even understand the wiles of the enemies, they cannot discern between a wicked man and a righteous man. This is a serious problem with tremendous consequences.


For instance, A popular pastor in Nigeria preached that Job was not faithful in tithing.
Let’s us re-consider this story, although I talked briefly about it before. Job was a man God used to describe a righteous man, in fact, these are the very words God used to describe him:

a. My servant;
b. There is no one on earth like him;
c. He is blameless and upright;
d. A man who fears God and shuns evil; (Job 1: cool

We already know that the devourer, who is the devil, confessed that he could not harm Job nor touch any of his properties. (V11)

Surprisingly, even though this is a very popular story and we all know that Job was only tested, yet it was preached that he was not faithful in paying tithes (someone who God said was blameless). Where was the conclusion or inference that Job was disobedient or unfaithful in tithing drawn from

This is just one of many reasons you should know the word of God for yourself.

Example 2:
Another popular pastor in Nigeria attributed King’s Solomon wealth to his offerings.
This man tried to convince his audience that due to king Solomon generous giving and offerings, he became exceedingly rich.

This was also surprising to me that people believed him, even though the story of king Solomon is a popular one. This king did not ask God for money, but for wisdom, for discernment in administering justice, so God was pleased, and decided to also make him wealthy.

The teaching of today is centered on money, and it’s the major cause of strife, greed, crime, poverty, and the major reason believers seem defeated.

God does not delight in money
The reason the false teachers are rich and succeed in doing what they do is simply because you don’t know the word of God for yourself; Once you know the word of God, it will be easy to spot fake teachings and then quickly detach yourself.

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise. (Psalms 51: 16-17).


How do I gain my freedom?

I would advise you to carefully and prayerfully study God’s word for yourself and consider it the best counsel you could ever get;
If you are diligent and commit the kind of effort you put in project research or your business, you will be amazed at your understanding;
You will never regret the effort as it will lead you to breakthrough;
You will be able to easily spot false prophets, who are the agents of the thief that Jesus talked about in John 10:10;
You will be set free from limiting beliefs and strongholds;
you will know your heritage, your rights, and won’t bother praying about things you already have, but instead would be grateful;
You will understand blessed acts: Fear God and depart from evil; Let truth and kindness never depart from you; treat others the way you want to be treated; seek peace; don’t pay evil for evil;

Source: https://godlysensation.com/love/why-you-need-to-take-gods-word-seriously-and-study-it-for-yourself/
Story!
Super story ! For those who are ignorant that Christianity is founded on FICTION , FALLACY ,FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISINTERPRETATION and MISREPRESENTATION of true God and messengers especially Isa ( asw).
Religion / Re: Why You Need To Take God’s Word Seriously And Study It For Yourself by gaskiyamagana: 1:25pm On Apr 13
Antiislaam:


How am I abusing your religion? Am I the author of your Quran nii ? Lobatan bayii


Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab  

If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;

Quran 46:9

"I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."
SPEAK
LOUDER
AND
LOUDEST
from your mentality of misrepresentation and MISINTERPRETATION of TRUE GOD and Islam.
Religion / Re: Why You Need To Take God’s Word Seriously And Study It For Yourself by gaskiyamagana: 1:23pm On Apr 13
Antiislaam:



Sign and symptoms of defeat. I have decided and my decision is fruiting.
STOPPING
YOUR
NUISANCY
ABOUT
ISLAM
IN
RELIGION
SECTION
OF
NAIRALAND.
Foreign Affairs / Re: MASSIVE AIR ATTACK By Hezbollah On Northern Israel (video) by gaskiyamagana: 1:21pm On Apr 13
Everlastingson:


No. Rather I'm high on Jesus of Nazareth, my Saviour and your Saviour.
Hypocrite of higher order, Jesus of Nazareth that Israel legislated not to be preached in Israel, the same Israel is now your hero in murderous activities against PALESTINIANs.
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 11:53am On Apr 13
Antiislaam:


Come and see your religion here, sebi you get data sha?
Comparing and analysing Islam with foundation of Christianity which are FALLACY , FICTION, FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISINTERPRETATION AND MISREPRESENTATION OF TRUE GOD AND MESSENGERS ESPECIALLY PROPHET ISA (asw). Never new, bring more of your ignoramousity and hypocrite about Islam.
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 11:47am On Apr 13
Antiislaam:


See this clueless slave boy, na here I saw years to come day and date of your fitr celebration. Shey your committees sighted the moon that has not yet appeared on the sky in years to come so as to know date and day of your sallah?
Christianity and it followers have same thing in common as I have stated before now: " FALLACY, ..... MISINTERPRETATION AND MISINTERPRETATION of TRUE GOD,.." about Islam
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 11:44am On Apr 13
FxMasterz:


You're an hypocrite!

This is Taqquiya at best. You're denying what is generally known as the symbols of Islam!
Symbols of Islam or worshipping of Islam? The Cross Wood and the dead person on it is symbols or worshipping of Christianity?
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 11:40am On Apr 13
Antiislaam:


AntiChristian the chief slave of allah here on nairaland is no where to be found again
They are now reasoning with me that it is wasting of precious time, reasoning, thinking and argument with you, who were ANTI ISLAM ROBOTICALLY PROGRAMED that, unless and until you are format, deactivate and reprogram with good Islamic information, discussing with you is exercise in futility, if exercise in stupidity.
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 11:36am On Apr 13
AbuTwins:


You are right!

They are always jumping from one question to another.

And tomorrow they will start again from the same questions you answered yesterday!
When you are defeating them on one issue, as trained, they will drag in another one. I known dem for that and dat is one of the reasons I have stopped arguing with them, my short reply is only to mesmerize them.

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Foreign Affairs / Re: MASSIVE AIR ATTACK By Hezbollah On Northern Israel (video) by gaskiyamagana: 11:31am On Apr 13
Everlastingson:



As an Ishmaelite, your hatred for Israel is congenital and normal. No be today e start. It's in your blood. But, you can never defeat them. Even if all Arab countries and all Muslims band together you can never defeat Israel. And it's better for you to love them and believe in their God . Otherwise you perish in hell forever.
Very high on IsraeliWeed and Zionistmaarijuana.
Foreign Affairs / Re: MASSIVE AIR ATTACK By Hezbollah On Northern Israel (video) by gaskiyamagana: 11:28am On Apr 13
zaller:



keep deceiving youself, which accurate information do the modern bible have, bible that is been edited and modify by your jewish masters to suit their narrative. when we have different version of bible with different people's opinions. the modern bible only carries people's opinions as they wish.
Today, about TRUE GOD and prophets especially prophet Isa ( asw), it is BLIEBLE or BIBLIE.
Foreign Affairs / Re: MASSIVE AIR ATTACK By Hezbollah On Northern Israel (video) by gaskiyamagana: 11:24am On Apr 13
Empiree:
I have told you Nigerians that you are mumus. Israel's IDF only target and kill civilians population and civilian infrastructures. Thats why people call for ceasefire. IDF cannot fight one on one battle with resistance. They rely on airstrikes that kill civilians. They destroy hundreds of mosques, 3 churches, hundreds of schools and universities and about 40,000 civilians.
This what most of Nigeria IsraeliWeed smokers don't know. Besides, they are using America military machineries.

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Foreign Affairs / Re: MASSIVE AIR ATTACK By Hezbollah On Northern Israel (video) by gaskiyamagana: 11:22am On Apr 13
Runaway:
This may not end well on both sides...
You make sense more than those who have barked and those who will still bark that Israel is this and that over Iran.
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 7:26am On Apr 13
TenQ:

Sorry Bro!

I am compelled by Christ Himself to reach out to you.

Mark 16:15-16
15 He (Jesus) said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


John 3:18
Whoever believes in Him (Jesus) is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.




Is your name written in the Register of Heaven (the Book of Life)?
Rev 20:15
15 And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


This is why I do what I do: I will NOT be guilty of not doing my best for your eternity
Christianity is founded on "....... FALSEHOOD FABRICATION MISINTERPRETATION and MISREPRESENTATION of true God and messengers especially Is (asw).
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, not Africa or Nigeria people.
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 7:20am On Apr 13
advocatejare:

And if you are lying against us that we are being paid for what we do in exposing your false religion may God punish you!

You think that we are like some of your Muslim people that go to Mecca to beg for money from the Arabs in order to be building mosques and spread Islam in Africa?

We are motivated by exposing falsehoods and showing truth to those whose minds you have bounded with lies!
Super story! ! !
Mind your religion in which we don't know who is fooling who among biblical God, Jesus and Christians in the doctrine and teaching of divinity, sonship, trinity, original sin,crucifixion 'Might' name and coverage of Jesus mission.
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 7:15am On Apr 13
TenQ:

My questions were simple AND I didn't ask for the history of the compilation of the Qur'an as I already stated it.


Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?



You might want to help him if you can!
I have said many things about you, your reasoning, thinking and understanding of Islam from Christianity foundation which are ' FALLACY, FICTION, FALSEHOOD..... "
As there are tens of different bible, so there must be different Qur'an?
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 7:09am On Apr 13
TenQ:

Easy!

1. Is it true that Zaid Ibn Thabith was commissioned to compile the Quran TWICE: First by Abubakr and Secondly by Uthman?
2. Is it true that the last verse that Zaid found when he was compiling the Quran for Abubakar was in Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) and with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari

Sahih al-Bukhari 4986
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.


3. Is it true that Zaid reported that he missed out a verse while compiling the Quran and he had to look for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)


4. Is the finding od the lost verse in Surat Ahzab during the time of Abubakar or the time of Uthman?

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3104
Narrated Az-Zuhri:
from Anas who said: "Hudhaifah bin Al-Yaman came to 'Uthman, at the time when the people of Ash-Sham and the people of Al-'Iraq were waging war to conquer Arminiyah and Adharbijan. Hudhaifah saw their (the people of Ash-Sham and Al-'Iraq) different forms of recitation of the Qur'an. So he said to 'Uthman: 'O Commander of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book as the Jews and the Christians did before them.' So he ('Uthman) sent a message to Hafsah (saying): 'Send us the manuscripts so that we may copy them in the Musahif (plural of Mushaf: a written copy of the Qur'an) then we shall return it to you.' So Hafsah sent the manuscripts to 'Uthman bin 'Affan. 'Uthman then sent order for Zaid bin Thabit, Sa'eed bin Al-'As, 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham, and 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair to copy the manuscripts in the Musahif. 'Uthman said to the three Quraish men: 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the (recitation dialect of the) Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish for it was in their tongue.' So when they had copied the manuscripts, 'Uthman sent one Mushaf from those Musahif that they had copied to every province." Az-Zuhri said: "Kharijah bin Zaid [bin Thabit] narrated to me that Zaid bin Thabit said: 'I missed an Ayah of Surat Al-Ahzab that I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) reciting: Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah, of them some have fulfilled their obligations, and some of them are still waiting (33:23) - so I searched for it and found it with Khuzaimah bin Thabit, or Abu Khuzaimah, so I put it in its Surah.'" Az-Zuhri said: "They differed then with At-Tabut and At-Tabuh. The Quraish said: At-Tabut while Zaid said: At-Tabuh. Their disagreement was brought to 'Uthman, so he said: 'Write it as At-Tabut, for it was revealed in the tongue of the Quraish.'" Az-Zuhri said: "'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah bin 'Utbah informed me that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: 'O you Muslim people! I am removed from recording the transcription of the Mushaf and it is overseen by a man, by Allah, when I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man' - meaning Zaid bin Thabit - and it was regarding this that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-'Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them. For indeed Allah said: And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement (3:161). So meet Allah with the Musahif.'" Az-Zuhri said: "It was conveyed to me that some men amongst the most virtuous of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) disliked that view of Ibn Mas'ud."




Are you now convinced that Zaid reported two different episodes of missen verses
1. One with Abubakar Quran 9:128-129
2. One with Uthman Quran 33:23
You remind me of 16 missing verses from the Bibles of the present compared to the early one that l listed and to which haven't answered.
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 6:59am On Apr 13
AbuTwins:


Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam gave them the order!

Will you shut up if I give you the proof?
He will not shut up with MISINTERPRETATION of Quran and fake Hadith.

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Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 6:58am On Apr 13
FxMasterz:


Do you want to hear about what men did or what God did?

Didn't you read where I said Roman Catholicism corrupted Christianity but God salvaged it through some special messengers?

Do you want God or religion?

Another justification that Christianity is founded on "....... Misrepresentation and MISINTERPRETATION of TRUE GOD..."
The confused who is hawking confusion here and there; you know or talk about God in economics, physics or religion?
'special messengers' like you and other Nuisance of Islam are now correcting Catholic with invented LIES about Islam?
Exercise in stupidity!
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 6:45am On Apr 13
TenQ:

See fear written All over your faces!

TenQ and Co were PAID to cause "Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland"!?
1. Who is paying TenQ and Co (is it Seun the founder of Nairaland.com)?
2. How much is the monthly salary? If the amount is good, you may have more people willing to join!


Tell me:
Why do you hate the truth this much?
Are their things I say about Islam that I don't show you Evidences from your own Islamic books?

Why do you want to enter hell before acknowledging the truth?

For your information :
I write against Islam because it is a deception of satan to take you away from the Salvation of God through the Messiah.

Does it matter if Adam was decieved by Iblis or not at the end of the day. Didn't Adam pay the price for his own deception?
So also you Muslims!


Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord


All of you entering the fire!?
Shouldn't this concern you?
Leave islam and muslims alone, deal with your religion that is founded on FALLACY FICTION, FALSEHOOD FABRICATION MISINTERPRETATION and MISREPRESENTATION of true God and messengers, especially prophet Isa (asw).
Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 10:57pm On Apr 12
AbuTwins:


Of course he won't say it like that just as the Jesus you called God didn't ever call himself God anywhere in the Bible! Nor was trinity ever mentioned in any authentic biblical verses!

If you're ready tell me!
Salam 'alaykum.
I don't know whether you are aware that TenQ and Co are monthly paid Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland?
I have bee with them here more than a year and I have discovered that. My candid advice for is to ignore them with shorted reply, because they are anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED, whom it is wasting of time reasoning thinking and argument to answer, not even to convince them. What I mean is that if they are not format, disable and reprogram; discussing Islam issues with them is exercise in futility.
Mas-salam.

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Religion / Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by gaskiyamagana: 10:48pm On Apr 12
Rashduct4luv:


From my post here in 2019 https://www.nairaland.com/5569177/wrote-quraan-how-it-put

Question
Who wrote the Qur’aan and how was it put together?

Answer
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:
Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8:
Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance.

Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696):
It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded.

“and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them.

The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages”
[al-Isra’ 17:106]

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood.

“in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein.

“And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years.
Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760.

Secondly:
Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves”
[al-Jumu’ah 63:2]

They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like.

Thirdly:
At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away.

Fourthly:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

Fifthly:
The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence.

Sixthly:
The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):

"Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).

Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion.

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you."

Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah.

'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Ibn Shihaab said: Khaarijah ibn Zayd ibn Thaabit told me that he heard Zayd ibn Thaabit say: “When we made copies of the Mus-haf I missed a verse of al-Ahzaab that I used to hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recite. So we searched for it and we found it with Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari. (The verse was) ‘Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allaah’ [al-Ahzaab 33:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. So we put it in its place in its soorah in the Mus-haf.”

Thus an end was put to dispute and the Muslims were united. The Qur’aan has remained and will remain narrated from generation to generation and preserved in men's hearts until the Day of Resurrection. This is how Allaah has preserved His Book, in confirmation of the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

And Allaah knows best.
Reading this is meaningful to only those who knew not that you are trying hard to present Islam from FALLACY, FICTION, FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISREPRESENTATION and MISINTERPRETATION - the foundation of Christianity.
As I always laughed and said that I pity those who will be wasting their time, reasoning thinking and argument to answer or explain anything to you about the jargon - jargons you are ROBOTICALLY PROGRAMED to display, as NUISANCE to Islam in the religion section of Nairaland.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Three Sons Of Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh Killed By IDF Strike(photos) by gaskiyamagana: 9:54pm On Apr 11
Gullah:
The lesson here is never mess with Israel because you will always pay a very heavy price if you do.
When lsrael too pay heavy price don't hypocritically bark terrorists.

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Religion / Re: Nigerians In UK Engage In Praise And Worship On The Street Of Cannock (video) by gaskiyamagana: 9:47pm On Apr 11
FreshBrandJob:
See as them dey happy mood

Later then go come tell us say UK hard, make we no come

And them no gree come back to 9ja

grin
God bless you my brother.

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Politics / Re: We Are Not Responsible For Your Failure - TCN To IBEDC by gaskiyamagana: 9:43pm On Apr 11
housemove:
Once i raise enough money am off d grid. Rubbish
God Who enable us to defeat Government on water through borehole, He will also help us to defeat NEPA with solar energy of china, amen, amin, ASE.

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Religion / Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by gaskiyamagana: 9:38pm On Apr 11
FxMasterz:


You're the robotically programmed person here my friend. Someone has written a marriage contract, and was also a manager of a large business enterprise, yet you say he was unlettered just because you've been robotically programmed to accept him as an unlettered man. Who's the robot among us?
Marriage that Christians are following or muslims? Did muslims complain to you about it? Face multifaceted PROBLEMS of your religion which I summarized in who is fooling who among biblical God, Jesus and Christianity?
Was it Biblical God that is fooling Jesus through christians?
Was it Jesus that is fooling God through christians?
Was it christians that are fooling God through Jesus?
Those questions have to do with divinity, sonship, trinity, original sin, crucifixion , 'Might' name of Jesus, miracle , other messengers and true God Himself.
Religion / Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by gaskiyamagana: 9:28pm On Apr 11
Ken4Christ:


You should have spent the energy you used to type this to at least answer my questions. But it seems none of you can answer my questions. My advice for you is to embrace the truth which is Jesus. He loved you enough to die for you. If you reject him, you are doomed.
He was not die for me, he was killed and your your God sucked his blood to forgive you, your sins. This is one of the reasons we don't know who is fooling who among biblical God, Jesus and Christianity.
Religion / Re: Please, I Need Muslims To Answer These 4 Questions by gaskiyamagana: 9:25pm On Apr 11
FxMasterz:


Were his links from Wikipedia? I didn't check them out anyway. I wanted TenQ to handle that since he's more knowledgeable on the topic.
Knowledgeable in other religions with roboticalized reasoning, abi? Why and why for truth sake that he failed and dodged response to missing verses of old Bible in modern bible, that l listed for him?
For your information,he is a monthly paid Nuisance of Islam on religion section of Nairaland. I am convinced that only those who don't know him are wasting their time,reasoning and argument with him - someone who will not reason, not even agree with you simply because he was anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED whom without , format, deactivate, reprogram with inputs of genuine Islam information , will never change.

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