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ogbonti:
The Itsekiri tribe may have yoruba words but you forget that the Ruling house of Warri which all Itsekiris proudly accept and gave the legitimacy to rule over them for centuries is 90% Benin

It was Prince Ginuwa, the Elsest son of Oba Olua and the sons of 70 Benin Chiefs that started the Warri Kingdom

That is why you have Chieftaincy titles in Warri like Obazuaye, Ologbotsere, Iyatsere (Iyase) Ezomo, Uwangue, etc - These are Benin titles so you can not remove the Warri crown from deep Benin roots and any attempt to impose yorubas mix to it waters down the sophistication of the tradition and culture of Oluship in Warri

But the Bini ruling house, I meant just the ruling house, are Yoruba, even the name Ọba. They are the descendants of Eweka the son of Oranmiyan.

It is not even an argument that before Oranmiyan arrival, it was Ogiso dynasty ruling over the Edo land and the words Ọba or Bini were never in the vocabulary. These are Yoruba words imported to Edo land by Prince Oranmiyan.

UGBE634:
The truth is that you are so ignorant and your ignorance stinks. this your ignorance is propelled by the fact that you guys don't travel outside your region and it is a mess for you guys, these are some of the reasons the igbos will always be a better group when compared to the Yoruba. The fact is the land and the people oronmiyan called binis do not refer to themselves as Binis in our native tongue but Edo. hence the need to educate you that Edos and Binis are one and the same thing. the name Benins are only used by the Benins when they are speaking in English for emphasis so you know the group they are talking about. it's just like different names for the same group . example omo oduduwa and Yoruba, easily one would know you are referring to the yorubas. The yorubas and the Benins do not have any relationship outside the monarchy. we are different people linguistically, "if I speak my language as an Edo(bini) whatever you call it and you hear I go die". the Bini monarchy is direct primogeniture from father to son, it is not adulterated and cheap like some classless Yoruba stool. I ordinaily would not have replied you but I have seen some level of stark ignorance under the sun among the yorubas about my people and I wish to correct it

There is absolutely no need to be abusive Bros. We are learning. You even know who I am and where I am posting from.

Can you explain what you meant by this cleverly worded statement? The yorubas and the Benins do not have any relationship outside the monarchy. What relationship? And which family can become Oba of Benin?

Edos and Yorubas are distinct but Binis are not! Let me humbly ask you this question, where are and what happened to Ifes those that left Ile-Ife with Oranmiyan and stayed behind to take care of his son Eweka and the descendants of Ọba Eweka.

If you agree that Ọba Eweka is a Yoruba man, then what do you call his descendants that till today are the only one qualify to become Oba of Benin?.

I even don't like to use Benin, a corruption of Bini used first by Oranmiyan, a Yoruba.

Daum:
LOL who told you that
Actually the Olu dynasty was started by a Benin blood and ijaw blood. Forget that tale of Benin speaking Yoruba. Benin had numerous neighbors and we communicated well with all our neighbors

But the Benin dynasty was started by a Yoruba blood, Eweka the Great, the son of Oranmiyan with an Edo mother.

Oranmiyan toppled the existing Ogiso dynasty and that was never reversed till today.

Daum:
You guys lie too much
How can you say Bini people are Yoruba stock. We don't understand each other at all.

Watch my choice of words, I wrote Bini and not Edo. Edo and Yoruba are distinct people and civilisations. One from Odùduwà the other from Igodomigodo.

Binis are the remnant of those that followed Oranmiyan to Edo land plus the descendants of Eweka, the first Ọba of Benin. Since Eweka mother is Edo, most Binis are there4 with Yoruba and Edo bloods. Binis are Yorubas while Edos are not.

Incidentally only the descendants of Eweka can become the Ọba of Benin not any pure Edo.

ogbonti:
I read a piece recently which is floating online and I tend to agree with it

Yorubas are now claiming Itsekiris is part of the Yoruba nation just because they want Itsekiris oil in case Nigeria splits come 2023

My question for yorubas claiming Itsekiri is

"WHERE WERE THE YORUBAS WHEN IJAWS AND URHOBOS WERE KILLING ITSEKIRIS BETWEEN 1993 to 1997?"



OPC never condemned the killings - Afenifere was quiet, the Ooni turned Itsekiri historian today was quiet then - na now day break ? abegi

Cleary you don't get the facts at all. At the height of the Ijaws killing, the Ogiame then, father of the Olú designate sent emissary to Ife, covertly of course, and Yorubas responded. That intervention stopped the genocide. OPC were on ground in Warri and even took the war to Ijaws in Ajegunle and Ondo State. Pls ask those that knew.

ogbonti:
When you claim that because Benin is from the yoruba word Ile Ibinu, (which is a fact) therefore yorubas can decide who rules Benin or Warri, by that same logic Lagos is a Portuguese word, let every Oba of Lagos be crowned hence forth based on the consent of the Portuguese government of King of Portugal. Hope e make sense to you?

No. You are now comparing apples to oranges. There are no descendants of Portuguese in Lagos. But returnees with portuguese names form the ruling house. In the case of Benin, the Binis distinct from pure Edo are Yorubas are the royal family as ordained by Oranmiyan, and no one ever contested the ruling house with them.

In the case of Itshekiris, it is even more ridiculous since they are pure Yoruba with some mixed with Binis, mind you not Edos, blood

zeusdgrt:
Abeg stop typing nonsense,benin is not connected to yoruba.We have our history unlike the one u claimed one person came down from heaven, kindly ask ur oni why he visited the benin kingdom after and before coronation.We don't drag but we know the truth.

What is the meaning of Ogiso? Find the meaning b4 starting posting rubbish about not believing in the sky mythology.

And Ooni visiting Benin b4 coronation? Maybe u meant to say Ọba of Bini!

Think about this first. Who changed the name of the people from Edo to Bini a Yoruba word and Ogiso to Ọba, another Yoruba word.

ogbonti:
Captain Hosa Okunbor is the father of Prince Tsola's wife. That same greedy Captain Hosa who was so divisive in the last Gubernatorial election in Edo State, sending paid thugs to attack the convoy of Governor Obaseki and Wike and others on their way to the palace. I do not expect the Oba of Benin to tell Ayiri to do what is right. The Oba is a good friend of Captain Hosa and he will want the son -in-law of his close friend and confidante to become King in Warri as this current Oba was the Royal Father of the day when Prince Tsola Emiko Married Ivie Okun in 2014

Chief Ayiri should understand that The Oba of Benin can not impose anything on him because tradition is tradition. Laws have outlasted Obas in Benin and just like no other prince but the first son of a departed Oba of Benin can become King in Benin, likewise no son of an Olu whose mother is not an Itsekiri or a Bini woman can reign as King in Warri.


Chief Ayiri should never allow anyone to blackmail or force him to surrender the customs of the Itsekiri people as very powerful interest groups outseide the Iwere Kingdom are doing everything possible to water down the selection process. For once, I am supporting Ayiri in this matter - ATABRATA, DO THE RIGHT THING and do not allow anyone to confuse or control you, whether Oba or no Oba - Ooni or Alaafin, just do the right thing!!!!

Are you ignorant of the fact that the Olú designate father's mother is a Yoruba? I mean the last Olú b4 the one that just passed on?

ogbonti:
You are mixing apples with Oranges, Lagos is a portuguese word for Lake, Oya go and invite Ronaldo to come become Oba of Lagos now, since na Portugal get Lagos, Agbaya - Ile Ibinu ko, Ile Iluji ni

Lagos is a Portuguese name given to Lagos Island fact. Imagine we now starting disputing the fact that they have a presence in Lagos Island.

scholes0:
They are 97% Yoruba and 3% Benin.
PeriooodT

Even Bini is a Yoruba name. Same with Ọmọ no Ọba. Informed people know that Binis and Edos though used synonymously means different things.
Edos are pure race of the Igodomigodo or Ogiso people.
Binis are the Edos with Yoruba bloods, that is descendants of Oranmiyan a pure Yoruba Prince then and later an Ooni of Ife

Why is it that only Binis can become Ọba (another Yoruba word) of Benin if Yorubas are not the lord of the land?

ogbonti:
what do you know about the Warri Kingdom?

The name "OGIAME" that every Olu of Warri is called is not a yoruba name- It is a Bini name - do you know that?

And the word BINI is what? Is it not a Yoruba word from Ilẹ̀ Ìbínú that Prince Oranmiyan called the Edo town in anger?

engrchykae:
UK has no business with religion,they will fight an Islamic nation at anytime.
British are pagans

Why is it then that Islam is the fastest growing religion in UK?

Nwaide01:
If somebody who claimed to be a pastor and as learned as Reno don't know the reason why it seems as such, i wonder what those who are less informed will think. What are the caliber of the so called converts if not criminals,drug abusers and the nuisance in the society who joined them because of free drugs and women. How many times have see or heard their clerics preaching against the ills of the society.

If drug addicts, criminals etc are being converted to Islam, isn't that a good thing? The question is what is it about Islam that these nuisances find so attractive.

From Malcolm X to thousands more, Islam is working wonder in the prisons. Or are u saying Zidane, Paul Pogba, Anelka, Thierry Henry, Frank Robert etc are stupid?

Americans and gangsterism. If it is other country, their state department would have been sending travel advisory all over the places.

The number of people that die from funnin US is more hundred times more than from the maniac Boko Haram and ipob terrorists. Yet the morons call Nigeria a shit hole

Franzinni:
This is what lack of belief in God will bring ... If you don't fear consequences of murder ... All becomes fair game ...

Wetin internet go do for this world we never see yet.

I don go buy land for inside the wilderness of Alaska ... I dey build my 3 bedroom bungalow make I comot for inside mad world jeje.

Eskimos will still find you there. And polar bears ���

Imagine this nonsense from the stable of a fraud? Sowore is really hungry. See what social media has turn the world into.

All these rants by Ipod terrorists and cop killers and their ignorant Islamphobes need to stop. No one group has monopoly of mischieves.
And for Nairaland just for traffic to be allowing posts like these is being irresponsible.

Lagbaja88:
Of which tinubu gets 10% in many states with alpha brta lol

For argument sake let's assume you are correct, is it not better for other state to be using Lagos template then even with the 10%? If that will help the states to raise their IGR astronomically like Lagos did, from a nera comatose state in 1999 to the 4th largest economy in Africa.

And b4 you shouted ports FG assets and industries,
1. only Island was the Federal Capital not Lagos state.
2. Corporate including VAT go to FG not to state govt. Only the PAYE goes to d states.

Myer:
The exponential increase is as a result of their birth rate, fear of punishment for apostasy and atheism.

While Christianity is suffering from a major apostasy with former Christians mostly becoming atheists.
Islam is growing as a result of the fear of the punishment for apostasy because Islam is a religion where Muslims fight for their powerless God. So apostates are mostly killed so their their fake religion isn't exposed for it's fakery.

Also the birth rate among Muslims globally is higher than Christians and most other religions. Islam not being aversed to Polygamy.

A sizeable amount of Christians have either converted to another religion, Islam or become completely irreligious (atheists). Hence with no increase in the growth of Christianity, apparently Islam takes the lead.

Is it phobia for facts, ignorance or bigotry or lack of comprehension? Just look at the chart again and see the GLOBAL POPULATION GROWTH RATE. If that is at 32% and Islam growth rate is far above hundred, how can it be due to high birth rate?

And u still.mention killing of apostate as a reason despite that the post mention that and that you have never seen anyone killed for that around you.

Lt. Colonel Victor Banjo was arrested on the count that he was planning to kill Aguiyi-Ironsi because he entered the office of the Supreme Commander with a pistol in his pocket. However, it was believed and confirmed by several sources that Banjo was arrested and detained simply because he was believed to have been involved in the planning and execution of the January 15 1966 coup which nearly took Ironsi’s life. Adewale Ademoyega, a core member of the coup plotters, claimed in his book, WHY WE STRUCK, that Lt. Col. Banjo did not take part in the coup. He wrote, “Our detention was for taking part in the revolution. Also in detention were Lieutenant-Colonel Banjo and Major Aghanya both of whom had not taken part in the revolution“.


From: Lt. Colonel V.A. Banjo, B. Sc. Director of Electrical and Mechanical Engineering, Nigerian Army.

To: Major General Aguiyi-Ironsi M.V.O.Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces and Head of the National Military Government.

My dear General,
Thank you for your letter of the 14th February. This will be my last letter to you, while I remain in detention. I wrote to you from Kirikiri Prisons on the 31st January 1966 and your reply of the 14th February referred to my petition being under consideration. I am not aware of having written a petition to you. I wrote to you as my general, my leader, and my fellow officer-in-arms; as one whom I should expect justice, fairness and loyalty, in the like measure as I have had to give you, my colleagues and my soldiers during my years of service; and in the like measure as is obligatory between gentlemen-officers of a responsible army, to maintain the highest traditions of our profession. I informed you that a grievous crime had been committed against my person and my liberty at a time of crisis in our country, when I was busy giving my most loyal service. I pointed out certain facts to you, which I felt you ought to have known about. Essentially these were:

(a) that on the morning of Monday 17th January 1966 I was arrested by Lt. Colonel G. T. Kurubo and Major P. A. Anwuna in the anteroom of the I. G. P’s office for no ostensible reason while I was waiting to see you.

(b) that during the period of my close arrest, I had been shamefully mishandled by soldiers in the presence of my arrestors at Federal guard, that I had subsequently been confined in the guardroom of the 2nd Battalion NA Ikeja, in the wardroom of a naval base Apapa, and in the defaulters cell on board H.M.S. Nigeria in turn. I need hardly point out this act was in itself illegal and a flagrant disregard of army regulations covering the manner of an officer of my rank.

(c) that I had since then been detained at Federal Prisons at Kirikiri and lately at Aba and at Ikot-Ekpene for no reason whatsoever.

(d) that some two weeks after my arrest, I was informed by Major Ude at the Kirikiri Prisons that a signal had been sent out to all units that I had been arrested for my attempting the life of the Supreme Commander, which signal if existent must by its gross falsehood constitute a serious offence in law against its originator.

(e) that subsequent to my arrest one of my officers Major E. O. Aghanya Commanding Base Workshop Yaba was invited to your headquarters and arrested on 18th January 1966, for no reason at all. I believe he is still in detention.

(f) that the driver of my Land-Rover, and the five soldiers who were my personal guard on the morning of Monday 17th January 1966 were also arrested, brutally beaten at Federal guard for some days, and subsequently detained at Kirikiri Prisons. I believe they are still in detention, and all this for no apparent reason.

(g) that prior to my arrest I had spent a considerable time with you in the attempt to persuade you that in order to save Nigeria from the awful event of a civil war, the army should take over government under yourself.

(h) that further during this period, I had by word and deed rallied support for yourself and a military take-over of government among a large number of officers all over Nigeria.

(i) that I was present at the meeting of senior officers of the army with yourself at noon on Sunday 16th January at which I spoke first and spoke for a Military Government under yourself.

3. In the face of these facts and as a Lt. Colonel under your command, it was my place to expect certain actions from you. Such as:

(a) an immediate investigation of the facts of my arrest, and that of my officer and soldiers;

(b) The immediate release of myself, my officer and my soldiers as soon as the facts are proved to have been false; and

(c) The immediate arrest of the officers responsible for my arrest and their subsequent trial on charge of false arrest of an officer and bearing false evidence against a fellow officer.

4. No one holds rank and authority in any army by divine right. The relationships of rank and authority in armies are based on law and a definite set of rules and regulations, which pre-determine the rights and responsibilities at each rank. It is also based on ageless tradition of honour, integrity and loyalty, which are expected in reciprocal forms from all ranks. There is no provision either in an organised state or in an organised army for relaxation of these principles, for on it rest your command, your stability and your safety; as otherwise there is little to prevent any two officers backed with weapons from arresting any of your officers tomorrow, even your military governors or even yourself. In this issue my general, I beg to submit that you can only have one clear duty; to protect the law, the traditions of the army and the rights of every soldier and officer, who has entrusted his life into your hands.

5. It is now four and half months since I was so treacherously arrested, and since then you have continued to see it fit and just to keep me detained. If I, my family and my friends have been loath to raise issues on this matter in public, it has not been out of fear or out of lack of adequate belief in my innocence. It has been out of consideration for you and a disinclination to embarrass you at this time. It has been out of a deep sense of responsibility in the issues now facing the country and a desire not to aggravate it. It has been out of faith and belief in the loyalty of yourself and those of my colleagues who still remain honest to the traditions of our army. So far, I have counselled patience even in the face of the world-wide publicity given to my supposed attempt and death, which in itself was an act of treachery, which must have emanated from someone in your office; for this however, the World Press and Radio owes me an accounting for which I will proceed to exact payment, when I am free to do so. Out of a firm conviction of my innocence, and faith that you would leave no stone unturned to ensure that justice is done, I have been disposed to wait silently in detention, patient for long enough to seem reasonable and fair to you by the world. If I continue to remain in prison the shame is not mine; but irrespective of what happens to me, by virtue of the inevitability of truth, the world will someday ask you to clear yourself of any involvement in this act of treachery.

6. I am grateful for the arrangements you have made to enable my wife to visit me here on the 14th of May, 1966. She informs me that she visited you on the 5th of May, 1966 to inquire about my crime, and that you informed her that you know nothing about my arrest until after it has been carried out, that then you have found it necessary to keep me in detention to protect my life in view of the rumours. I believe you; but then as I pointed out before, the world conscience is less trusting. It will ask you to vindicate yourself. It will want to know, how it is possible, that one of your most senior officers who was spending his time and energy loyally assisting you to restore order into the country, was treacherously arrested within twenty feet of you; and falsely accused of trying to take your life, and all this was done without your knowledge or approval; it will want to know how it happened that the main perpetrators of this crime were suddenly elevated after my arrest, the one Lt. Colonel G.T. Kurubo appointed Commander of the Air Force and a supreme Councillor, and the other Major P. A. Anwuna promoted substantive Lt. Colonel; the sceptic might unkindly be disposed to feel that they were being recompensed for some good deed; the world will want to know what has been done and what is being done to see that justice is done irrespective of what happens to me.

7. My wife further tells me, that some of my colleagues have been kind enough to congratulate her on the fact of my name having been cleared. I was not aware that my name was in need of being cleared, however, I am grateful for the effort spared to clear it of whatever it is that needs clearing and I hope the privilege has been extended to all the senior army officers who had the honour of assisting you to preserve the country during the crisis.

8. I am glad to note that you and my colleagues arc succeeding restoring the nation unto an even keel in spite of the great difficulties. I am proud of your efforts and of belonging to the service that is accepting so much responsibility. I am also proud to have contributed some small part to starting off the National Military Government. My greatest regret among others, at this moment is that I am denied the opportunity of serving my country during one of its moment of great need in my life time, as a result of the efforts of a few unworthy officers. I hope that success continue to attend your efforts. History abounds of numerous examples of military “coups” some of which have brought in their train, hardship, loss of freedom, injustices, assassinations, bloodshed and chaos as a result of the rapacity jealousy and unbridled ambition of a few army officers. Others have brought stability, prosperity, justice and real freedom as a result of the wisdom, dedication, honesty and discipline of its army officers. It is an inevitable law of nature that the former pattern always only succeeds in destroying itself eventually. After so many years of callous betrayal by its leaders, I believe Nigeria deserves stability for a change.

Yours very sincerely,
(signed ) Lt. Colonel V.A. Banjo


Source: https://oldnaija.com/2018/11/14/victor-banjos-touching-letter-to-aguiyi-ironsi-from-ikot-ekpene-prison/