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WINNERSMOG:
My friend you are so so so bitter about greatness. This way you may never make progress in life o. Thank God for greatness and you may also be a candidate for greatness. You are bitterly beefing just one man that took hold of his faith and is using it to make the kingdom of God progress. This is what any man that has faith can do- even you. But because you don’t understand how faith works you have become so bitter and turned yourself into a messenger of the devil consciously or unconsciously.

All you need do is get a working knowledge of faith and you’d be able to accomplish all he has done and even surpass him. Because later generations are meant to be better than previous ones.

Did you never read in your bible that with faith all things are possible? This man is just channeling his faith in the direction of world evangelism and the devil in you will not allow you to see what is good.

You claim to be a Christian but look how you use words so loosely like a devil because of your hatred for just one man that has found his purpose in life and is pursuing it with all the faith inside of him?

Faith is taking us to greater places but hate will continue to sink you. You have not seen anything yet my friend. Except you leave this earth, your pains and pangs will continue to increase as you keep hearing about our greatness.

However you can humble yourself and let us teach you how faith works, and your bitter life will become sweet, the choice is yours.

alot of the people you teach faith are low lifers here in my street poor believing in your useless faith which has turn them into miserable beigns. A lot of them in ogun. In Ibadan.

I know you are programmed to always repeat the same thing. Money success. Your useless seduction against ignorant ones.

Your own povertypmovert is what make you earn a living by selling your soul to defend fraud.

Your mates are soaring with intelligence in science, business, art, agriculture, you are here hoping on faith. Dumb one. Sell that Elon musk, Zuckerberg, bill gates, Jeff vezos, seen osewa, Wizkid, Linda ikeji.

The best you can get from oyedepo is the porridge they pay you to yarn dust online, he has already positioned his sons to atkr over the empire of fraud.

You are sacrificung what you can achieve with intelligence for the useless money hey you.

You are a slave to the empire of oyedpo paying you.

Come out and be liberated.





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WINNERSMOG:
My friend that talks a lot, yet ends up saying total rubbish. Don’t you get tired? The money in the kingdom of God is your main problem, I get it. Don’t you still get it? As long as there are people in this planet we need cash to get the gospel out to them! Money is not evil. Money is not evil. Money is not evil my friend. It is just a tool for transaction on the earth. And God promised we’d have loads of it, to establish his kingdom- that’s simply what we are walking in now- we are just fulfilling prophecies. Why should this cause you so much pains and pangs?

Evil men have money you don’t cry, but we righteous men have it for the propagation of the gospel, then you start rolling on the floor in tears! Like I keep saying, your tears have just started pouring because we shall keep populating the kingdom of God using huge amounts of kingdom resources and I will keep updating you...

Divertion tactics. You dont address the subject matter. Juat imagine you are invited before a class of intelligent men is this how cunny you will be speaking like oyedepo the charlattan your menyor.You keep hammering bleating like a goat on the Fraudulent Money. Money Money Money. Are you that poor. I know you have irredeemably sold your souls for the porridge they give you to keep selling your fraud called church online.

See you have failed. You lack content. A desperate soul who have lost natural and spiritual purpose in life who has found solace in working for a con Man to promote fraud. Go and lock yourself in a room and think on how to reprogram your life on the right track. You have lost it. Promoting religious fraud is not the way to go.

WINNERSMOG:
I honestly pray you don’t die in poverty. Look how you are boasting in your ignorance. Don’t you know poverty is a curse to mankind. One of the curses Jesus came into the world to save mankind from? Gal 3:13-14. Don’t you know the church needs money to spread the gospel of Jesus to all nations?

But the devil has so much blinded you with hatred for kingdom prosperity so much so you have become anti-money. Money is just a tool for transaction on earth, nothing so special about it. It is when money enters your heart that it becomes a problem. When it is in your hand it is simply a tool to get things done- in our case we are using it to push forward the kingdom of God.

Whether you know it or not, you are posing as a gate of hell, and you are in our prayers for total destruction so that innocent souls can come into the kingdom of God.

I will buy you times ten the price then set you free instantly to show how insignificant your worth as a person can reduce my financial worth.

Get lost. Engage me with sound logic and spirtual intelligence.


I am not one of the annointing oil carrying dunce that throng your useless busuness centres every Sunday looking for audio miracle.


We are born of our father. We know the truth. And we can spot it when we see lie.

Winners is a lie.

WINNERSMOG:
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You are simply a pained gate of hell my friend. And you shall be cheaply destroyed to allow more souls to come into the kingdom of God- ditto your friend kobojunkie. We shall keep marching on as the church of Christ- have you heard we are planting 10k churches this year, we have already planted more than 2k? Last year we planted 5k. Your pain and pangs are just loading. More glorious updates coming your way as we break more grounds.

Dumb reply as usual. Who cares about the Ponzi centers to launder money of ignorant believers you are building called church. You think the lord Jesus cares about it.


Stop appealimg to crowd. Oyedepo use this seduction skill a lot. It is stupidy and petty.crowd doesn't validate truth. 10k 20k all hogwash. Who cares about one. Is crowd you will teneder before Christ at the resurrection or your servanthood in truth( not ammasing vain glories like momeh andd power in his name)


Lastly you don't plant church the way your boss plant his empire for religious looting.

Church is not business you plant.


There us no physical church. This is the new testament. Jesus said upon his revelation his church which is men will be built.


All those useless auditorium you are building a using to siphon money in the name of Christ are basically what they are. They are mere buildings build by fraudulent men like oyedepo to gather ignorant people together promise the an audio prosperity and the same tithhe looting their tithe an offering to build their empires.


The church is bigger than oyedepo and all the useless den of religious robbery you false minstry are building.

God is not there.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was a homeless man. Paul was a man who had nothing to his name at the end of his life. You and your bishop on the other hand claim to have so much property to your name simply from taking from the flock of Jesus Christ who He sent you to feed and take care of, for him.
Your blessings seem to come from the pockets of those you take from and not from God Himself though. You have yet to show where God, even Jesus Christ, says it is ok to take your blessings the way you continue to, from the very flock you are to tend for Him.
What value do you add to their lives?
And here I thought Jesus Christ is the only one that can add a value of any kind to the lives of His own.
You act as if it is a product of some sort that you are selling them in exchange for the payment you receive from them.

I read most of oyedepos book way back 2017 and I understood that He is a false prophet who is empty of the light of Christ.

He thrives on greed of Men, covetousness and a deliberate manipulation of word to provoke emotions and a selective misrepresentation of scripture to speak what He wants.

Some where on a thread I saw where he was talking of church as healing centre, this is the same guy who flew in doctors to attend to his wife when she was sick and later flew again abroad.


That guy is a king of lying and boast to provoke emotions.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was a homeless man. Paul was a man who had nothing to his name at the end of his life. You and your bishop on the other hand claim to have so much property to your name simply from taking from the flock of Jesus Christ who He sent you to feed and take care of, for him.
Your blessings seem to come from the pockets of those you take from and not from God Himself though. You have yet to show where God, even Jesus Christ, says it is ok to take your blessings the way you continue to, from the very flock you are to tend for Him.
What value do you add to their lives?
And here I thought Jesus Christ is the only one that can add a value of any kind toop the lives of His own.
You act as if it is a product of some sort that you are selling them in exchange for the payment you receive from them.

The guy feeds from oyedepos Ponzi scheme called church. He is not saved either. He is an huzzler promoting the fraud of his paymaster. I have engaged him in the past, He is empty of the wisdom of the doctrine of Christ. Talk from now till tomorrow, all he keeps talking is money, Money like oyedepo. Quite pathetic that Men for the love of Money can become like oyedepo and this guy.


There are many intelligent honest way to be ruch without having to scam religion simps with "church".

OtemAtum:
How can a 21st century man be deceived like this? Why can't he go to the isolation centres to do his healings?

a lot of dumb people exist in this world. These people know their client will be swallow this as usual. I know a lot of graduate friends who will shout glory and hallelujah to this nonsense. Some people are naturally dumb, religion makes it worse.

ojonugway:
I'm currently working for an igboman. Firstly I took the job so that I can make some money but over time I dropped the idea of working for the Money, I'm now learning the Igbo ways of business. My boss is an uneducated Igbo man , he looks broke but in truth at all at all my oga is worth a wiping 800m-1 billion naira. His ways of doing business is out of this world. He bought a Hummer bomber bus last month for 1.5m, a bus that an average man can pay 5m for.

As the whites would say "if you stick around the barber shop too long you'll get a free hair cut" I'm beginning to strike incredible business deals myself even tho I'm still learning. To an igboman business is an art.

I'm blessed to have met my boss �

The greatest positive influence on my life spirtually and naturally from Igbo Men. God bless apostle. I feel pain as a Yoruba boy seeing the tribal hate on nairaland. Either way it is bad. There are great people everywhere. Our hate mongering will make us miss out.

Igbos are Kings of business. That is too clear.

WINNERSMOG:
It is a pity that the devil got you this blind my friend. Money is not anti-God like you think. You need money to do anything worthwhile in life- we need money to spread the gospel to every nation of the world.

What is getting you so pained is the wrong calculations you are doing about how we spend this money- and it is so much I must tell you. You think we spend the tithes and offerings of the worshippers on ourselves. You are wrong my friend. These monies are used to push the gospel to nations of the earth- this is the essence of money in the kingdom of God. Stop thinking that these monies go into anyone’s account my friend. I believe if you can reprogram your mind to this, your pains and pangs will reduce.

If you can’t reprogram your mind to this truth, then get ready, your pains have just begun- we are just in the beginning stages of kingdom prosperity my friend. Before the return of Jesus, there will be so much prosperity in the church for the evangelism of the world

Paul the apostle conquer Ed the whole of Asia minor just with his body, mouth The gospel spread in the city of Jerusalem by ordinary men who were not using church as undercover to suphon the contribution of the brethren to build their personal empires.

Your ohrase " the church is marching on " is a mimd control tactics to deceive gullible christians that the prosperity of winner chapel means the prosperity of the church.. You have learnt that psyching from your master oyedepo.

The church is not marching anywhere. What is marching is the figures that rolls in every Sunday from which cheap PR men like you are been fed to do online job to keep the enslaved in mental chain.

I know you are irredeemably greedy. God will help you.

Winners I emphasize again is a SCAM. I studied the system. People like you are hired to promote it.

WINNERSMOG:
Stop saying rubbish my friend! How can you say Jesus didn’t use money to preach the gospel? Didn’t you ever read that Jesus had a treasurer in the person of Judas? In fact the money in the treasury was so much that Judas was stealing out of the purse. Didn’t you ever read that too? Yet you come here and embarrass your ignorant self. What was Jesus using that money for? Let me enlighten you a little. When Judas left the company of Jesus suddenly to betray him, the disciples thought he went out to give money to the poor- that was part of what Jesus was doing with the ministry money- charity. Don’t remain dumb when their are teachers all around you my friend.

Instead of calling more souls into the kingdom of God like Jesus commanded us, you are here trying to pose as a gate of hell. No gate of hell can prevail. You are easily crushed. The church must keep marching on my friend.

God. The message of Jesus is not Money. His message i.e what the gospel is about is not what winner chapel is preaching. His message is John 3;16.

Stop the delusion that calling people to winner chapel using money as bait as souls for the kingdom.


They have won you as a soul. But it is clear that you are not saved unto Christ. You are only saved unto the ministry of oyedepo.


Souls are those won by the right message. The evidence of that is that they shall be ushered into a new testament of sonship and fatherhood relationship with our Father by the holy Spirit.


A saved soul testify of Jesus and the ressurection and the holyspirit. He doesn't testify of Money like you.


You are not saved unto Christ.


You are not part of God's kindgdom.

The testimony of Jesus is the seal of prophecy in Gods kingdom.


God's kingdom is not church. It is not that edifice in ota or any winner chapel branch.


Gods kingdom is the body of Men.


You are lost with the wrong message.

WINNERSMOG:
You keep saying rubbish my friend, yet you think you know so much that’s why you talk so much. Go back to history and you’d find out that most of the top schools in the world today are Christian schools that are been run by the principles of the Word of God even till this day. You should do a research.

Even America that is the headquarters of all the innovations you have been talking about, go into their history and you’d see that they were born out of Bible values. They literally Have bible passages in their constitution- ditto United Kingdom. So please stop spewing rubbish. You can never push faith aside till forever my friend. You either align with it or you get swept away by challenges of life.

is ut Bible verse they use to invent the aeroplane or knowledge and mastery of physics. Is it the Bible America is using to record giant strides in military and ecenomuc strength or basic economic laws and millitary conquest tactics.
Who cares about bibble in natural development.


I can see you are have gain mastery of fallacy and mind game like your mentor oyedepo. You want to appeal to America to score a cheap emotional point using the Bible as a tool of fallacy.

America didn't didn't develop by any Bible principles. No nation grows with religion.

Israel has a nice for science, tech, Millitary. Religion never made Israel self what they are


Imagine seun osewa searching the Bible for principle to create Nairaland, refusing to learn computer programming. I am sure you won't be online typing your dust with multiple accounts.

Like oyedepo You lack spiritual intelligence. Oyedepo is however naturally smarter than you, because with his brain although fraudulently he has create one of the biggest religious Ponzi ever on the continent of Africa. He is smart.


I advise you to use your brain for something productive too other than typing online to promote your slave master.


Learn skills. Read and feed your mind.

Jesus is waiting for you if you are ready to leave greed for money and follow him to the cross. He is waiting for you with baptism by his spirit into God's kingdom. Bye.

WINNERSMOG:
You are pained because of the money? Money is just a tool for transaction, no big deal about money. You can also have enough of it, only if you have faith for it. The good thing about money in the kingdom of God is that there is no sorrow with it.

I know you might not have understanding of all I am talking about cos you have chosen to shut down your mind. But I know sensible Christians are here that will learn from all I’m saying. Hence I will continue. And let your pains continue until you choose to come to God’s side and believe His Word.

You are deliberately playing dumb or have become dumb by your messages by uttering this statement. Mompha, hush puppy, investor bj and the rest cybercriminal had money. The same money you are boasting if is what emoney blows like powder wherever he goes.

Jesus didn't use money to preach his kingdom. Winner chapel is a scam. Lure people with promise of money. Ponzi style, bet naija style. 2 sure with tithe offering by faith to collect audio blessing that doesn't exist.


It is sad charlattans like oyedepo have hijack the poverty in Africa to acquire wealth fro the poor using their greed to lure them.



If you want to be rich you don't need any God or even any human being to pray for you. Just follow the rules. Either pure or dirty money. You will have money.


Grow up man. Stop being petty because of what they pay you to be yarning dust here. Your integrity and stand before God should deter you from popuplating the workshop of a charlattan and false preacher of the gospel. Awake to righteousness.

ThothHermes:
So you have no evidence then?

evidence is something glaring capable of proof. In your case the principle of law reps ipsa loquitor ( the fact speak for itself) applies. It is petty for you to claim i have no evidence. The tithe and offerings you compel people to pay using a scripture that Jesus has nullified are real and oral evidence to nail in the court of righteousness. It is tantamount to stealing, obtaining by false pretense deceiving men to part with their money umder the guise of faith. It is sad the law if the earth call the robbery in the church charity. If you escape the law of this word, judgement awaits you at the resurrection. You Pharisee be of the modern era. You and your paymaster oyedepo will meet the lord. You will pay dearly if you don't repent and turn to the message if the cross.

WINNERSMOG:
Is any member of the church complaining to you my friend? If what he is doing is wrong, why not try to stop him. Why do you atheists not form your own associations and try to stop him. Rubbish words lead to rubbish life. You better wake up to the truth before it is too late for you.

wicked PR Man. You will pay for the money you have received to help men promote religious fraud on the day of resurrection.

ThothHermes:
People like you do not think at all before speaking. How is Oyedepo cashing out from religion. Do you have any evidence that he collects anybody's money?

Lol..I know you use multiple handle to type this. All the wealth he has acquire us from doing what. You are an irredeemable hypocrite for typing this. You lack honest conscience or mental accumen( blind by religion).

WINNERSMOG:
You said so much but it all amounted to rubbish my friend. Faith was not derived from positivism, but positivism was derived from faith (from the word of God). True, positivism which is just a branch of faith explains why all those guys you mentioned above have gotten wealth. They are simply applying one aspect of Bible principles- when you believe in yourself and set yourself do accomplish a task you get it done.

But faith gives you more than just wealth and success. Faith gives you divine health, long life, and so many other promises in the word of God. That’s what makes it bigger than positivism. You hardly hear most of these people you have mentioned boast about their health like faith men do- they don’t know how that works yet. I remember this apple guy- Steve Jobs- with all his wealth he died of cancer in the prime of his life- cancer that faith in God’s word humiliates all the time!

You better wake up my friend. Positivism cannot handle every challenge of life but faith in God will surely do. Cos with faith all things are possible.

just as I expected the chain of religion on your mind is big. Look at the modern world and see if anything that came ever came by faith. From technology, science, agriculture, politics. Sit down well, devote like one hour and think by your brain for yourself. Come out of the cul de sac of religion and embrace reality. Faith didn't do the miracle of Jesus. Real spiritual power did it. People only received by faith ( another word for believe). Hoping on faith for things of life that have principles is tantamount to stupidity especially in the case of a powerless cabals of Christian leaders like oyedepo.

Seen osewa has built the biggest forum in Africa without your useless faith.


Our world would not be what it is in advancement if men were to rely on faith.


Mind you the idol you worship didn't rely on faith to build his massive Ponzi scheme church. He employs pschology, religious charismatism with twisting if the scripture hype around faith to rob you blind.

I know they pay your for the p r work you are doing online. Your product oyedepo is bad.

WINNERSMOG:
“Has this Church ever known a setback?
No. That’s why some are angry.
In the midst of this season we are still growing.
No we are not growing. We are blowing. Yet we didn’t borrow.
Why are they now angry?”

Mind control tactics. Appeal to what bond a crowd together e.g religion, they will approve of everything you do under that guise. Oyedepo is expanding his business disguised as churches, He appeals to it as church( a religious cause). The crowd the religious simps shout hallelujah and support and jubilate that their religion is expanding

Oyedepo found an opportunity in religion. He is cashing on it it big time. His case is a defintion of how religion can make men stupid even if they have become wise through education.


Very soon another private jet will land via tithe and offering and the investment he has made with the proceeds of the past from tithe and offering.

WINNERSMOG:
Don’t be pained my friend. That the faith message didn’t work for you doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for some others. You just need to set your head straight and let the word sink into your spirit and work for you too. Shalom. It is working. Faith in God for finances is working my friend.

there the mental slaves go again. Is it your audio faith that made the likes of Zuckerberg, Elon musk, Jeff bezos, bill gate who they are in terms of material wealth. The truth is that a lot of you guys have been brainwashed to be dumb by these charlattans. The faith you represent is pure natural positivism which will fail when you don't abide by the rules governing certain issues of life. Your Faith as such is useless and never produce any result on its own strictly. That faith of is short of criticism. It is pure a psychological trick by narcissistico put simps under bondage. Even if things work for you normally the programming of your brain will attribute it to faith. If you acquire the wealth that Jeff bezos as an atheist acqire without any religious inclination, you will attribute it to faith and most surely pay a lot of your wealth to the charlattans who has brainwash you to believe is faith. Guy wake up, oyedepo is empty spiritually, he is just a con artiste playing with brain of greedy men with manipulation. Free yourslef, submit to the holyspirit to teach you his word to free your mind from the virus of teaching of oyedepo. See how you misrepresent faith sef. Faith is what led Jesus to the cross. Faith is not some key to access your greed. Faith is unwavering loyalty to God especially in the face of trial. Read the book of Hebrews. Some heroes of faith died without receiving God's promise yet they were still recorded as heroes of faith. Faith is what Jesus exmplified by willing himself to go through the cross. By faith we believers will suffer the travails of this world and corruption of death to receive the promise of the ressurection.

Oyedepos representatiin of faith is the reason why He has ammass such huge fortune through snake merchant tactics of appealing to natural problems like poverty, sickness that is rampant in Africa Nigeria inclusive.

That faith collects from you, milk you dry so that his empire grow.

It is mental slavery for spirtually gnorant men

I sense you are one of them. I can help you with teaching to access truth of God's word by his spirit. That is if you are willing to of your religious passion and natural greed ( characteristic of most oyedepo follower) and learn truth about God's kingdom. With that the Ponzi scheme called minsitry by oyedepo will get reduced by the patronage of a person whose mind has been let loosed of his man made doctrine.


Oyedepo is a charismatic charlattans. It takes a high level of critical thinking and spiritual exposure to know this. First you need to break away from his cult called winners to achieve this and turn to jesus and the holyspirit and true ministers of God's kingdom.

WINNERSMOG:
Seriously, this was not his message for today, this was only a snippet. His message was, “ gateways to financial fortune”. I think that is still relevant to the church today my friend.

your Mammon oyedepo is a disgrace to the doctrine of Christ and his kingdom. It takes knowledge of God's kindgdom however to know this. I pitty a lot of ignorant religious simps, and greedy poor Christians who are deceived by the rubbish Ponzi scheme he calls ministry. Mind you I know a lot about his doctrine. I have read most of his books and listen to many of his messages. That guy I nothing but a charlattans who thrives because Men like adeboye who knows the truth have refused to speak up for Christ and defend his doctrine. I am sure he sees those people who listen to him as fools who will build his empire. His doom awaits him at the resurrection. He will face Jesus in whose name He has robbed ignorant, innocent believers. The guys sucks. He is a fantastic liar and a master of twisting, misrepresent in scripture to brainwash.

OKorowanta:
This 'Any Government in Power' (AGIP)
worshiper don come with him stupid Epistles again...
Let the tables mistakely turn now, he will come with another epistle celebrating Oshiomole.

the guy is an ass licker. No iota of integrity. Let oshiomole get over this trying times, you will see another epistle celebrating him with another narrative.

NaijaRoyalty:
My generator repairer escaped from kidnappers din some days ago in Lagos

What saved him was the tribal marks on his belly his parents gave him when he was still a baby and falling sick.

According to him, so many people were kidnapped and kept in a place where they would be killed and body parts sold to rich politician who drive in to pick up body parts in exchange for money .

tell the story more. I always doubt if those stories are real. I don't believe in rituals. Just imagining where those politician go with the parts and do with it. we africans are weird.

Left to me. As a president i will order dss or army to go after this guy called nairanmarley. They should strip him naked and video the shaming beating to be dished to him and send it to all blogs to be broadcasted. A clout chasing social miscreant is to be humbled in such manner. Anything else( arrest, jail) he will use it to do stunt and whine his bunch of mentally mediocre followers. Disgrace this fool like soldiers do to certain IPOB members in the wake of operation python dance.

Mind game has started. Find an excuse for the gullible to believe they are real. Watched this video earlier today. He is playing to the gallery. Man call down your God. Jesus never saw the centurion son. He only saw the father and declared the word which set him free. We report our own sons who are dying of corona to you...declare..show your worth if you are what you are claim. Enough of brainwashing and manipulation with fake miracles.. this is not your church ..where people will believe this crap

the power dies once a man commercialize it. this is why Nigerian pastors can't work any signs. they have exchanged money for their soul.

Empiree:
which is that one "true" christian organization?.

you said all these nonsense bcus i put pressure on you. How about Geeman23 that claimed God or holy ghost spoke to him ?. Remember you guys have been praising him to engaged me. Bow you are saying you would run away from anyone who claimed spirit speaks to him. See confusion i tried to highlight all along?/ That's why I feel sorry for Geeman23 who claimed "holy ghost" arrested him to be christian. Holy ghost ko, holy satan ni


O ti n jewo bo di e di e. Geeman23 has not seen anything yet. Told you guys I treated this subject years ago. 40 different writers and all of them were visited by "holy ghost", abi?. Oni yeye ni yin.

young Man. learn this thing. there are two derivative of Christianity. There is Christianity as a church eligion out of which you have the diverse school movement of Christianity such as Catholics, jehovah witness, CAC, Baptist etc.
These are religious movement with several school of thought which often are church doctrines developed by founders of this movement. This is the source of the divergent beliefs among Christians which you have appealed to now about what that guy said of his own "belief on scripture.


There is christainity as a personal faith which is the substance o the message of the Lord Jesus i the message of God's kingdom This one is not religion or popular. Most Christians are actually religious. especially in Nigeria that is why you see a lot of tge mrssage of church and pastors.

The kingdom of God is a faith between you as a son and God as father a replica of what happen between God and the Lord Jesus. This is real faith as I explained earlier. You know God. God speaks to you. There is a fellowsh8p between you.

Get it I am not taking you on from the angle of Christian religion but as a son of God and one of the signs of a son of God is the living word I.e an appeal to Revelation by God from previous fellowship with the father and less of religious scripture. study Jesus . Jesus preached spot fro his spirit and he was always talking about the gather



I identify with the faith of Christ but I don't do religion. I am a son of God. I am not just following pastor or any church doctrine.
and mind you God doesn't talk rubbish. He teaches his kingdom his wisdom for living and a lot guidance as an earthly father would to his son.



I know the veil of religion will not make you appreciate this. I was once like you. but I know If you don't know the truth in this life you will know at the resurrection. I pray it don't to that level with you to discover you have been born in a lie for a religion and believing in a faith that don't restore you to God and can't give you eternal life




we sons of God are already living eternal life on Earth. That God we are meeting on the day of resurrection we are already relating with on Earth .

when we die we don't die. our souls don't taste death as Jesus promised. our soul isreceived by the father. and we wait for the rapture when our body will raised and redeemed from the the corruption of death.




when you die as a Muslim no matter our righteous or spiritual you claim to be, the reality is the absence of God's righteousness in your soul qualify automatically for death. you die both in the body and the soul. this total death. your soul is marked for hell. and there is nor resurrection to glory, but resurrection to hell and the lake of fire alongside hell for you since your faith denies Jesus who has the power of resurrection and demonstrate it evidently in his ministry and was also glorified by God with that glory.


The least of Christians( religious ones and even a person who surrenders to Jesus a second before he dies) will inherit eternal life cause they believe jesus, the best of Muslims are marked fore hell.

I fear for many of my former brothers. seeing you talk like this make me remember the days of ignorance. I know you are mostly likely to sway my message aside and attack me as a person and my faith and not even consider the substance of the message, that is what religious indoctrination does. it makes you an illogical fanatic of your faith.

I preach to you still to add to the chance you have had to have the message of eternal life which surely religious fanaticism has made you throw away.
Get this all those preachings will be witness against you on the day of resurrection to block of any excuse you gonna give for not receiving the message of eternal life.


I love you that's why I am telling you thiIs
and mind you stop lumping me together with others and using the difference in our thoughts to argue rather than substance of message. That is a chicken and unintelligent way to argue. I have done the same thing in the past to attack Christians without looking at their message. it is a pull him down strategy. it is cheap, and in the context of this debate nonsensical.


I took you on personally. I have address the message of Islam. I have broken it down. address what I said. think about it. Go and research. digest what I said about the Quran as beign a false revelation, take the Quran and kill your biase and examine the Quran in the light of what I said.


If demons as in Surat jinn Quran 72 could approve the Quran as beign from God, then know the underlying deceit of Satan who orchestrated the Revelation. Demons will never approve of righteousness. Demons are enemies of man. don't be deceived that their are good demons. if they are good they won't rebel against God and be casted down. demons approve of the Quran they facilitated to deceive man into a religion of self righteousness with no power to give man eternal life.



Normally I hate arguement like this having in that shoe before, it is usually an attempt to abuse, denegrate, whitewash one another. This I found to be stupid lazy, unintelligent immature. so This is the last time I will engage you.



I have preached to you. I am not here to win you in any religious argument.


I am too reasonable and smart for that. don't quote me again except you have something intellectually tangible to say from the body of my message.

Empiree:
He said "Interview me. ask question to verify my claim. dig deep. enquire about the whole experience. pre, and post."

See that, thats emotion. Religion is not based on emotion but fact and evidence. What he wants debate his story and i am not interested in that. I am only interested in his islamic knowledge.

what are the modalities for this debate on Islam between and you. I am actually now interested. I am not a novice in Islam. I schooled in it's knowledge from age 3-4 till I entered the university when the holy ghost took hold of my life. my childhood memoir which I am still writing has a whole chapter on Islam and my growing up experience, my madrasat days and the heavy Islamic influence in my family. I respect Islam a lot( a thing some Christian Brothers often use to say as me still beign attached to the religion). I still follow a lot of Islamic scholars both the Sunni( where I belonged till I left the faith) and the the traditional suffis. see when I keep silent on issues on conversation most times it is my personal attempt at not putting Islam to ridicule just because I am no longer an adherent. The Lord the holy spirit aught me a lot about Islam. Islam in itself is not bad ( i.e the act of ibadah doing salat, zakat, fasting, hajj, piousness etc. The problem with Islam is the ground Norm i.e the Revelation on which the faith developed. The Revelation of the Quran is actually not from the God of heaven. Some spirits of unrighteous masquerading as God actually we're responsible for the Revelation of the Quran and subsequent supernatural intervention that made the faith grow rapidly. see I hate to say these things but that is the truth. You don't get to know the weakness of Islam until you encounter the True living God who with knowledge of would set a man free from the strong appeal of the quran.
The test is any spirit that is from God must proclaim God's kingdom, acknowledge the sacrifice if Jesus as key to restore man to God. The fantastic crafting of the Quran by the spirit behind it ( its appeal to scientific order of nature , religious history, rhythm, logic and the supernatural means it came) is the biggest tool which even forced the holy prophet muhammad to believe is from God. see brother, Islam is a world. it is just like beign in Nigeria. If you don't gain access either accidentally or by self will to countries like Canada or USA either directly ( by immigration) or indirectly through exposure of life their via the Internet you can never fathom what you are loosing by beign in Nigeria and sticking ignorantly to Nigeria. My journey into God's kingdom was accidental but I have had the opportunity to understand better on the message of Islam which an average can never know until the veil is lifted of his eyes. I used to have those veils before. I was a zealous Muslim, all through my madrasat days I was active. Salat is something that my parent has planted into us from childhood.
Christians and Christianity were a No No.
but brother the reality to round this up is what we have learnt from experience and the Lord is leading many of us to reach to our brothers still in darkness and bondage of religion we were born is that, Jesus is the way. The veil made people like us deny this truth before. but we have seen it after we left Islam. we know God. we are not jus bowing to him believing we are pleasing him. God talks to us. we talk to him. This morning when I woke up, the Lord asked me to grab my pen and book and begin to write a Revelation on a wisdom I had demand From him since. I wrote about five pages of a sixty leaves note.

brother this is the life God intend for man, the eternal life of mutual fellowship by the holy spirit which the faith of Christ came to restore. Islam although strongly appealing in moral righteousness is another plan of the devil to cut of a lot of people from the enjoyment of this life through a religion he started in Arabia to gain influence over the world.

I look forward to hearing more from you. brother. don't insult me oh. don't call me kiriyo.

investigation. who are the people? the family? their claim must be investigated and properly ascertained. Pentecostal pastors will surely come with their Nollywood, I think the government should hammer them hard if these miracles are found to be fake to deter scores of Corona healing scam that would soon begin to come.

donnie:
Good. However, some of us are sent to warn men. Its not a question of being okay or not.

share your knowledge so we smallies can learn about this spiritual debate. I am curious to know t.b Joshua and oyakhilome

Anas09:
Here is a man I wld have followed even as a Muslim.
You sir, are like some very mature muslims I met in this platform when I first came here. Smart, mature, gentle. Unlike this Ill-bred ones here.

thanks for the compliment anas. tempted to say Ana's ibn malik

GeoandSONSLTD:
It has open my eyes to plenty things online.

Staying idle, I have consumed alot of data.

I have started various online side incomes. Examples below: Americans are loving it just following trends on Twitter, it's a pity I couldn't get My GTB ATM to run Facebook ads

Learning different courses on coursera.

baba show me the way. this online thing�

bukatyne:
People should develop a healthy self esteem so they naturally gravitate towards people who treat them with the premium they have placed on themselves.

I also doubt that people geniuely fall in love plenty times in their lives. Most people lost the person they truly loved when they were younger.

Someone once said men don't marry who they live, they marry who is available.(this is very debatable).

The more people you enter a relationship or give your heart to, the less love or relationship is sacred to you.

The less premium you place on yourself, the easier it is to stay with people who treat you like crap.

golden comment.

Empiree:
see another mugun. You even gave the worst example, Paul. Paul Paul, lying Paul who was confused about whether he heard God's voice or seen him. Abeg, find another lie jare. We know your type.

I don't need your Salam. Liar. We know you guys be are trained liars

Answer this question, since you said Paul experienced the same, did Paul hear God's voice or not?

Be logical and use words like a gentle man. It is wrong to emphatically call someone liar and even so in the abusive manner you have typed. The Islam I was raised in didn't teach us to disrespectful to people.

I will engage you further if you leave that mental zone of "pull him down without looking at the substance of claim" which a lot of zealous youth use to defend religion blindly.

change your modus. Interview me. ask question to verify my claim. dig deep. enquire about the whole experience. pre, and post.

This is how you engage. be civil.