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^^^ so history-haram representative, you've gone blind to the point you can't see "K. of Benin" on that map ?
Interesting. This phenomenon should be studied by psychiatrists.

^^^History-haram struck again. Watch out.

Dream25:
Any idiot can paint a map to distort history...
This won't change the facts on ground or how it was in the days...

The date of publication is the key.
Anybody can indeed "paint" a map or create a fake story, that is why the date of publication is so important.
You can't "paint" a map in 1747, unless you have a time machine.
If you recall, I keep saying "eye-witnesses written documents".

Map published in 1747:
https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?currency=EUR&variant=43501503906022&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google

Your level of education seems very low.

Dream25:
Who gave you the name Bini?? Why not igodomigodo??...

Yoruba lord and still lording over you?... Ask your elders or chiefs to tell you where your Oba is from.. ;

The first oba of Bini Eweka is the son of Oranmiyan, the grandson of oduduwa.. Yoruba changed your Ogiso to Oba and continue to lord over you till today.

You're inferior to the great Yoruba race which span from Nigeria to Togo all the way to Ghana. It's not our fault you're a small inconsequential tribe occupying a section of Edo state..

Infact I shouldn't have reply you but your stupidity and attempt to rewrite history shouldn't be left unchecked if not, it would infect others like you...

And yes, I write to you as someone with both link.. My father is a Yoruba from Awori tribe while my mom is a Bini from Evhboharue village... Her family greeting is latose or something like that, I don't remember the correct spelling..

I can't possibly be expected to always make time for every fool out there.
Oranmiyan is a fairytale, igodomigodo is an other fairytale and so is ogiso.
You took your time and came up with some more hot air 😂
Did you not read well in order to understand that we are discussing history ? Not ethnocentric fairytales!
I could have sworn I wrote it in the message which you just replied.
Once again, you can not "debunk" eyewitness written documents with unsubstantiated beliefs.
I'm basically repeating myself here.
You need to reconnect that brain of yours.
This is not about chest beating, rather this is about history.

Procashtips:
Chew on this one of the most resent maps

You have to post a link to the web site hosting the map in order to make it possible to authenticate it, also the date of publication is one of the most important things.
This map is inconclusive. If you lower the level of proof, you would be doing the history-haram guys a favour. You would be opening way for them to do what they do best: fraud.

Actual map published in 1747:
https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?currency=EUR&variant=43501503906022&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google

Dream25:
@stoplying I saw all your mentions, currently busy but trust me to reply later... From acting like a Mr know it all, you now want to make it a full time job to rewrite the history of Yoruba and Bini??..

I have difficulties understanding how I could rewrite history by quoting documents written 300 years ago.
Your mind is upside down.
History and your ethnocentric beliefs are 2 different things.
History is the study of documents written by eye-witnesses, not some fairytales. It doesn't take hours to post what I posted. It is very simple: I posted documents written by people who visited our region of Africa hundreds of years ago. What their eyes saw, is what I exposed to all. I didn't invent it, they wrote it down.
For your information, it is Benin ! Not "Bini" !

Blakjewelry:
one of major problem of you lots is same old stupid sentiment. The oba statement doesn't mean he is claiming possession. What can be taken into a healthy and educative conversation is turn into something by people who don't or do a lot of research before talking. Below is from a royal blood. She clearly states the relationship between them now is purely ceremonial.
https://www.nairaland.com/7929714/eko-row-benin-people-owned

To these guys "history" is all political and a means to claim special rights to the land. They no longer tolerate real history, because it takes away the argument which gives them special rights.
They run away from evidence, and would keep repeating fairytales again and again...to them, it is a fight of narratives and beliefs. Basically they want their own "beliefs" to become everybody's gospel irrespective of actual scientific facts.
Doesn't that remind you of a group in the north ? It's name sounds like "boko haram" (earth is flat).

It doesn't matter how many times it is proven that Lagos is just an other part of Precolonial Benin, these guys have a mental block. Like boko haram has a mental block about gravity and the shape of the earth.

Dream25:
Do you expect Sanwo olu to have stand up and rubbish the Oba?.. That would've been too far for an omoluabi, considering the Oba of Bini himself is a Yoruba man... The Oba end up disgracing himself instead of being dignified...

1. It is actually people like you who disgrace themselves by their actions, and their ignorance and lack of education and manners.
2. Again, your ethnic fairytales do not have anything to do with history. History needs evidence.
3. The Oba of Benin is not a Yoruba man.
4. Since you guys don't actually know the history of the Yoruba, do you want me to dish it out to you guys ?
There is a big part of Yoruba history which revolves around slavery. Do you want me to expose it ?
I was being kind by not talking about it, but you guys always have to be disrespectful.


Let me give you a hint: when talk arose about putting history back in school curriculum in Nigeria, there was a Yoruba chief who got worried about that and quickly countered that no history telling people their ancestors were slaves should be taught at school.
It makes people feel better to talk about a mythical creature like bugs bunny 🐰 (oh sorry oduduwa) rather than the hard reality of slavery.

History is about evidence, eyewitness written evidence, not about your ethnic beliefs.

An other proof that Lagos was just an other part of Benin:

Stoplying:
Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x.r=Y%C3%A9bou?rk=21459;2

Precolonial map of the region showing that Lagos (in its currents form) and its environs were part of Benin (see below)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2


Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.

I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)

Dream25:
Like seriously, it's irritating and this is coming from someone with both Awori and Bini roots...

I don't wish for this beautiful thread to turn to something else but I just want to drop this fact..

Lagos as part and parcel of Yorubaland is not even up for a debate, the subject is not even on the table... 💯

Proof that Lagos was just an other part of Benin kingdom.


Precolonial map of west Africa showing that Lagos is a part of Benin:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2

Instead of talking all sorts of nonesense, just bring proof. I have been doing this, but you guys seem to go blind each time I bring proof.
Proof-based talk rather than insult-and-feelings-based talk.

I like how you claim to be "awori and Bini" as if history is transmitted through DNA. You guys need to enter the 21st century mates, there is no magic in this world, only logic. What is proven is not up for debate, and Lagos being part of Precolonial Benin is what I have just proven.

Mille:
A very useless map. A map without the great Oyo empire. I'm certain the Oyo empire in the said 1747 controlled more land than the Benin empire.

I personally have no issues with the Oba of Benin. He is partly Yoruba himself by virtue of the first king we gave to the old Benin empire.

1. Funny how I provide evidence, yet you are still debating. Man, your oyo empire is a fairytale.
2. Your "first king we gave Benin" is an other fairytale.
You can't debunk hard evidence with your unsubstantiated beliefs, it is the other way around.
3. Nobody on earth is more Edo than the emperor of Benin empire whose ancestry has been written about since the 1400's, many of you could be the decendants of migrants from Brazil or Sudan or Mali, you have no way of knowing that. But the Oba of Benin, son of a king who himself was son of a king....and so on...you get my point.
4. Which is bigger Benin Kingdom or Egypt: view 1747 map of Africa below:
https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?currency=EUR&variant=43501503906022&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google