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Foreign AffairsRe: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 5:20pm On Dec 07, 2023
Allthelight:
name one country that has supported freedom more than the u.s
Do you speak English?
Conversation ended.
Foreign AffairsRe: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 5:17pm On Dec 07, 2023
Allthelight:
Mention one and give facts i an not asking two... Just one
Your question doesn't make sense.
Foreign AffairsRe: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 5:12pm On Dec 07, 2023
^^^What does it even mean to "support freedom" ?
You smoke too much USA sponsored propaganda.
Foreign AffairsRe: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 4:24pm On Dec 07, 2023
WriterNiiig:
⚡Joe Biden to cancel another $5 Billion in student loans
Buying votes, hmmmm
Foreign AffairsRe: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ghostagain: 3:59pm On Dec 07, 2023
WriterNiiig:
⚡US announces military air exercises in Guyana amid Venezuela tensions
Let us just remember that some people here stated that the USA was not involved.
When being smart is seen as a crime 😉
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:40pm On Dec 07, 2023
Procashtips:
Stop changing the narratives.

Dahomey paid taxes to Oyo kingdom because it's on record that the Oyo kingdom at one time conquered them.
You are lowering the bar of proof. This is how you allow them sneak in with their fraud.
Which eye-witnesses written record are you talking about?
I have seen people make this claim many times, but I have never seen any proof of it, eventhough O asked for proof every time.

It feels like I have to repeat myself: we shouldn't be in the business of promoting unsubstantiated stories, that would only be a form of own goal. That is how you allow the Yoruba to also bring their own unsubstantiated stories.
What we should be doing is true historical research. Quoting eyewitness written documents! And exposing yoruba as peddling unsubstantiated stories.
FamilyRe: I Made A Mistake For Asking My Wife For An Open Marriage (story For The TL) by Ghostagain: 2:03pm On Dec 07, 2023
Beuberry:
Nothing you say is supported by eyewitness written documents. You are just dwelling in myths.
So this time around, you didn't even take your time to reformulate my statement, you just copied it without modification and sent it back to me 🤣
FamilyRe: I Made A Mistake For Asking My Wife For An Open Marriage (story For The TL) by Ghostagain: 1:58pm On Dec 07, 2023
Beuberry:
All well meaning Yorubas, help me educate this illiterate proud good for nothing Ile-Ibinu boy that Oranmiyan can be spelt as Oranyan. Help me tell him that in Yorubaland, you can have ya full name and ya acronyms or short spelling of name. Eg: Adeboye can be used as Ade or Boye alone.
Ghostagain, you are a disgrace to history hood. If you don't know a fact, ask questions. Don't disgrace ya ancestors. Oranyan is short spelling of Oranmiyan.
So in your imagination, your mythical figure who you claim lived perhaps a thousand years ago had access to European alphabets ?
So your current practice of spelling (with european alphabets) is more than 1000 years old and comes from s period in which our region didn't have European alphabets ?
There is something wrong with your brain.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain:
Beuberry:
Ya protege called Thebadpolitician lied. I gave facts. You said they were copied artworks. After evidence revealed radiocarbon dating a that's showed all Ife arts are older than that of Benin art!
You can't radio carbon bronze.
So I don't know what you are talking about.
I once again notice that you never substantiate whatever you say. You just say things as if you were the second appearance of Jesus Christ and everybody should immediately believe you.


Beuberry:
Naso una vex Oranyan.
Yorubas disown all of you!
Oh, talking about a fairytale as if it were real, yet again 🤣
For your information, we were never yoruba, it is only you people's wild imagination and stupid fairytales which makes you believe we were yoruba.
Ghostagain:
The "yorubas" are not a homogenous group of people.
Some of them are slave decendants from Brazil, Cuba ...or decendants from local escapee slaves like the egbas, some are from oyo kingdom (also called yarri.ba)...
It is well recorded that Lagos was flooded by all these people as soon as the British took over Lagos in 1861 from Benin. The flooding continued well into postcolonial Nigeria and it is still ongoing today
CrimeRe: ATBU Student Agbaidu Joseph Killed Trying To Recover Girlfriend Bag From Robbers by Ghostagain: 1:51pm On Dec 07, 2023
Beuberry:
Ya protege called Thebadpolitician lied. I gave facts. You said they were copied artworks. After evidence revealed radiocarbon dating a that's showed all Ife arts are older than that of Benin art!
You can't radio carbon bronze.
So I don't know what you are talking about.
I once again notice that you never substantiate whatever you say. You just say things as if you were the second appearance of Jesus Christ and everybody should immediately believe you.


Beuberry:
Naso una vex Oranyan.
Yorubas disown all of you!
Oh, talking about a fairytale as if he were real, yet again 🤣
For your information, we were never yoruba, it is only you people's wild imagination and stupid fairytales which makes you believe we were yoruba.
Ghostagain:
The "yorubas" are not a homogenous group of people.
Some of them are slave decendants from Brazil, Cuba ...or decendants from local escapee slaves like the egbas, some are from oyo kingdom (also called yarri.ba)...
It is well recorded that Lagos was flooded by all these people as soon as the British took over Lagos in 1861 from Benin. The flooding continued well into postcolonial Nigeria and it is still ongoing today
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:46pm On Dec 07, 2023
Beuberry:
. The meaning of Benin is Ile-Ibinu which was name Oranyan gave to them. See names like Adesuwa which is also Adesewa and the syllables are (Ade-su-uwa & Ade-se-ewa). Ogun, Olokun, Oba etc. Words those mofos can't tell it's story. Look at Ife artworks and Benin artworks. In the 15th century, Oba Oguola sent for bronze casters from Ife to reach them bronze sculptures.
All you did was talk about fairytales.
Oranmiyan is now spelled oranyan, I see. Perhaps the fairytale makers did not come to an agreement about how to spell the name of their science fiction novel character.
Nothing you say is supported by eyewitness written documents. You are just dwelling in myths.

I see you are one of those who do not understand than our written form of language is not indigenous, it is a recent thing which we got from the Europeans, therefore we don't have anything like etymology. But you are a fraudster, do you don't bother yourself with logic and evidence.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 12:49pm On Dec 07, 2023
Yorubas do not belong in discussions about history.
This is pointless, all they do is talk about fairytales and commit fraud. We all have better things to do than constantly talking to these guys.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 12:44pm On Dec 07, 2023
Ghostagain:
Picture 1: Obi Gbenoba of Agbor in the 1930's
Picture 2: Oni of Ife in the 1930's

Which one looks more noble ?

Also tell me, that Oni regalia, is it the common dress code between Benin and Ife which the yoruba fraudster is talking about ?

CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 12:40pm On Dec 07, 2023
Raf4:
3. Now reconcile the events and prove how Bini founded Lagos or how Lagos belongs to Bini.
Dude, your mind is so narrow, once again, I have already provided eyewitness written documents from several sources which make it unmistakably clear that Lagos was a part of Benin. I don't need to follow your directions.

You have been caught trying to claim copies of Benin artefacts as being Ife artefacts, yet you still show no shame. Everybody knows you are a fraudster.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain:
Raf4:
1.Dispute the fact that the Portuguese sailed into Ereko/Eko/Lagos Island in 1472 and met Aworis/Yoruba there
2. Provide the date the 1st Oba of Ereko/Eko/Lagos was installed.
3. Now reconcile the events and prove how Bini founded Lagos or how Lagos belongs to Bini.
1. Prove your own claim. Logic doesn't work like you think. I don't have to use my energy to go into your unsubstantiated claim, you actually have to provide evidence for your claim, not me!
2. I don't have to provide any date of any first Oba, I have provided eyewitness written documents which clearly state that Lagos is a part of Benin.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 12:33pm On Dec 07, 2023
Picture 1: Obi Gbenoba of Agbor in the 1930's
Picture 2: Oni of Ife in the 1930's

Which one looks more noble ?

Also tell me, that Oni regalia, is it the common dress code between Benin and Ife which the yoruba fraudster is talking about ?

CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 12:27pm On Dec 07, 2023
Raf4:
So, who is the eye witness you're referring to here? And which documents?

Portuguese sailed ⛵️ into Ereko that they named Lagos in 1472, met Awori Yoruba there, established trading contacts with them and all these were well documented by them. After about 2 centuries later, your oba of Bini forcefully hijacked the control of the trading activities, installed a king on the parcel of land gifted him by Aromire and the 1st oba was installed around 1630s.
My question is how can you establish a place in 1630 when the place was already in existence and in communication with the outside world, Portuguese, as far back as 1472?
You've just been caught claiming copies of Benin artefacts were actually Ife artefacts, yet you keep talking, do you have no shame ?

Did you even read the comment which you are replying ?
Are you asking me to reference eyewitnesses in my explanation of how history is researched? What sense does this make?

And you go on to write an other unsubstantiated story.
You just can't stop telling lies, it is stronger than you.

"all these were well documented by them", where are the documents? Fairytale peddler.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain:
Obi of Agbor in the 1930's. Notice that his regalia which he inherited from his ancestors is the same as that which is depicted in some artefacts. Those whom are assigning gender to artefacts are wrong. The crown of this noble Obi is the same as the one you see on the ancient Benin artefact which you called "Queen mother".

These artefacts depict Benin empire, they have nothing to do with Ife. All over Benin empire, the nobles have precolonial regalia's which are exactly what you can see in the artefacts.
Yoruba fraudsters who understand nothing about Benin culture should stop trying to rewrite Ife into Benin history. The claiming of Benin artefacts (and copies of of them) is a new low.
The dress code depicted in the artefacts is that of Benin empire, it is not that of Ife, at all. Every Obi has that regalia with the conical crown. Only the Oba has the crown which figures the Benin swords. Having such a regalia is s symbole of bring part of Benin empire.

CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 12:06pm On Dec 07, 2023
Procashtips:
I don't know how to jump about

He's yet to provide evidence to the lie he's sprewing, same person would not have answers to more complex lies his counterparts are spreading.
He called a recently made artefact (depicting the Oba of Benin) an Ife ancient artefact 🤣
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 12:02pm On Dec 07, 2023
Procashtips:
Lol post the link to your so called evidence and stop beating around the bush.
Why did you guys just let the lie about the artefacts to go unchallenged?
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 12:01pm On Dec 07, 2023
Raf4:
Which evidence do you want again? All the available history books of more than a century old recorded so. The only book that is saying otherwise is the one written by Ereduawa II less than 20yrs ago.
It is not about "history books", it is about documents written by eye-witnesses. All you are proving with the date of your "history books" is that Yoruba were already involved in rewriting history 100 years ago.
I posted documents much older than your "history books" and they contradicted your "history books". And the documents which I posted were written by people describing what their eyes were seeing contrary to your "history books" written by people talking about things they claimed happened hundreds of years before their grand parents were born.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain:
Beuberry:
Pic 1 Benin
Pic 2 Ife
Pic 3 Benin queen mother
Pic 4 Ife ancient queen image.
Look at the eyes o, the stylized eyes, beads, head etc.
Are you still blind to see the similarities, dear Uncle modern day Ologbosere?
When will you guys stop with the fraud.
The only artefact in there which is not a recent copy is the third one.
All the rest are recently made copies of Benin artefacts, they are not ancient at all.

Why didn't anybody call this out ?
Do you guys know anything about Benin Bronzes ?

When discussing history, Yoruba always come with fraud.
Why don't you guys just do like normal people and try to research history instead of rewriting it ?
Your Ife is not in any ancient map, that is to tell you it was either an irrelevant village, or it is a new settlement.

To my Edo folks, do not lower the bar of proof. That would be a gift to the Yoruba fraudsters. They are basically defending fairytales, so they can't substantiate them with logic and evidence. If you start lowering the requirements for proof, then you open the door for fraud and you give them a chance to defend their lie.
History is researched in eyewitness written documents!

Mr fraudster, the second picture is that if a recently made artefact depicting the Oba of Benin, it is not an "Ife artefact".

Let me help you:
Picture 1: recently made artefact depicting the Oba of Benin.
Picture 2: again recently made artefact of the Oba of Benin and a Benin noble
Picture 3: ancient Benin artefact.
Picture 4: bad recent copy of Benin artefacts.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:27am On Dec 07, 2023

CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain:
OyinO:
Africa is not a Greek word please. Research again. Besides, we are talking of a settlement and not a continent.
The Romans "gave" the name "Africa" to a tribe in Tunisia, and it was later used to describe the entire continent.
I don't see why you think it is relevant to say that Africa is a continent and not a settlement.

My point is that the fact that Lagos is a Portuguese word doesn't imply that Lagos was a Portuguese settlement.
And for your information, the first name written down for Lagos wasn't Lagos, it was Ichoo (Eko).

I think you don't fully understand that the Portuguese did not "name" Lagos, they only referred to it as such in their documents. Or were you under the impression that there was an official naming ceremony? Use your brain.

Edit. "Africa" is a Roman word, not Greek.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:15am On Dec 07, 2023
OyinO:
Colonial maps were based on crude estimates because the explorers and expeditors remained much at the coasts, so little was known of most areas. They used the people they like to dominate others.
And what supports this claim of yours ?
This is just the preferred way to do rubbish eyewitness written documents. By claiming today without any yota of evidence, that those documents were "guess work".
We are in the game of providing evidence while you keep trying to rubbish evidence with unsubstantiated smears and you keep pushing your preferred unsubstantiated stories as history.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain:
OyinO:
You want to intimidate me? Who gave Lagos its name?
Are you aware that the name "Africa" is a Greek word ?
Does that mean that Africa was first a Greek settlement?

Edit: Africa is a Roman word, not Greek.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:09am On Dec 07, 2023

CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:03am On Dec 07, 2023
OyinO:
The Yorubas only used their close proximity in nearby Yoruba areas to flock in and takeover during and after colonial administration.
The "yorubas" are not a homogenous group of people.
Some of them are slave decendants from Brazil, Cuba ...or decendants from local escapee slaves like the egbas, some are from oyo kingdom (also called yarri.ba)...
It is well recorded that Lagos was flooded by all these people as soon as the British took over Lagos in 1861 from Benin. The flooding continued well into postcolonial Nigeria and it is still ongoing today
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:57am On Dec 07, 2023
OyinO:
Lagos was not founded but was used as a port city by the Portuguese. The Benin people were only co-settlers with other groups that also settled on the islands in that geographical area.
Where did you get this info from ?
You see me bringing out evidence, and you come here to give me an unsubstantiated story ?
The first maps of the region show Lagos as being part of Benin, not as being a Portuguese settlement!
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:54am On Dec 07, 2023
Map published in 1638:

https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:7h149z97c

(Notice that huge kingdom of Biafara next to Kingdom of Benin)

Benin was a large Kingdom, Benin city is only its capital city.

CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain:
OyinO:
Oldest history books indeed. Neither the Benin nor the Yorubas are first to settle on that place called Lagos.
The truth is that there is no way of knowing which set of people was in a location first, the question doesn't even make sense.
Founding a kingdom and being the first people to live on a land are 2 things which Nigerians don't seem to be able to differentiate.

Let me make this clearer to all: no human being can prove his specific group of people were the first to live in a certain geographical zone. It is possible that the Zulus of Southafrica were the first group of human beings to live in Lagos. It is possible that it were a community of Chinese who were the first people to live in Lagos.

But the question is who founded Lagos ? And the answer is Benin.
CultureRe: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:42am On Dec 07, 2023
This is how you research history.
It is not about "history books" or stories.
It is about documents written down hundreds of years ago by people describing what was in front of their eyes.

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