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Allthelight:Do you speak English? Conversation ended. |
Allthelight:Your question doesn't make sense. |
^^^What does it even mean to "support freedom" ? You smoke too much USA sponsored propaganda. |
WriterNiiig:Buying votes, hmmmm |
WriterNiiig:Let us just remember that some people here stated that the USA was not involved. When being smart is seen as a crime 😉 |
Procashtips:You are lowering the bar of proof. This is how you allow them sneak in with their fraud. Which eye-witnesses written record are you talking about? I have seen people make this claim many times, but I have never seen any proof of it, eventhough O asked for proof every time. It feels like I have to repeat myself: we shouldn't be in the business of promoting unsubstantiated stories, that would only be a form of own goal. That is how you allow the Yoruba to also bring their own unsubstantiated stories. What we should be doing is true historical research. Quoting eyewitness written documents! And exposing yoruba as peddling unsubstantiated stories. |
Beuberry:So this time around, you didn't even take your time to reformulate my statement, you just copied it without modification and sent it back to me 🤣 |
Beuberry:So in your imagination, your mythical figure who you claim lived perhaps a thousand years ago had access to European alphabets ? So your current practice of spelling (with european alphabets) is more than 1000 years old and comes from s period in which our region didn't have European alphabets ? There is something wrong with your brain. |
Beuberry:You can't radio carbon bronze. So I don't know what you are talking about. I once again notice that you never substantiate whatever you say. You just say things as if you were the second appearance of Jesus Christ and everybody should immediately believe you. Beuberry:Oh, talking about a fairytale as if it were real, yet again 🤣 For your information, we were never yoruba, it is only you people's wild imagination and stupid fairytales which makes you believe we were yoruba. Ghostagain: |
Beuberry:You can't radio carbon bronze. So I don't know what you are talking about. I once again notice that you never substantiate whatever you say. You just say things as if you were the second appearance of Jesus Christ and everybody should immediately believe you. Beuberry:Oh, talking about a fairytale as if he were real, yet again 🤣 For your information, we were never yoruba, it is only you people's wild imagination and stupid fairytales which makes you believe we were yoruba. Ghostagain: |
Beuberry:All you did was talk about fairytales. Oranmiyan is now spelled oranyan, I see. Perhaps the fairytale makers did not come to an agreement about how to spell the name of their science fiction novel character. Nothing you say is supported by eyewitness written documents. You are just dwelling in myths. I see you are one of those who do not understand than our written form of language is not indigenous, it is a recent thing which we got from the Europeans, therefore we don't have anything like etymology. But you are a fraudster, do you don't bother yourself with logic and evidence. |
Yorubas do not belong in discussions about history. This is pointless, all they do is talk about fairytales and commit fraud. We all have better things to do than constantly talking to these guys. |
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Raf4:Dude, your mind is so narrow, once again, I have already provided eyewitness written documents from several sources which make it unmistakably clear that Lagos was a part of Benin. I don't need to follow your directions. You have been caught trying to claim copies of Benin artefacts as being Ife artefacts, yet you still show no shame. Everybody knows you are a fraudster. |
Raf4:1. Prove your own claim. Logic doesn't work like you think. I don't have to use my energy to go into your unsubstantiated claim, you actually have to provide evidence for your claim, not me! 2. I don't have to provide any date of any first Oba, I have provided eyewitness written documents which clearly state that Lagos is a part of Benin. |
Picture 1: Obi Gbenoba of Agbor in the 1930's Picture 2: Oni of Ife in the 1930's Which one looks more noble ? Also tell me, that Oni regalia, is it the common dress code between Benin and Ife which the yoruba fraudster is talking about ?
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Raf4:You've just been caught claiming copies of Benin artefacts were actually Ife artefacts, yet you keep talking, do you have no shame ? Did you even read the comment which you are replying ? Are you asking me to reference eyewitnesses in my explanation of how history is researched? What sense does this make? And you go on to write an other unsubstantiated story. You just can't stop telling lies, it is stronger than you. "all these were well documented by them", where are the documents? Fairytale peddler. |
Obi of Agbor in the 1930's. Notice that his regalia which he inherited from his ancestors is the same as that which is depicted in some artefacts. Those whom are assigning gender to artefacts are wrong. The crown of this noble Obi is the same as the one you see on the ancient Benin artefact which you called "Queen mother". These artefacts depict Benin empire, they have nothing to do with Ife. All over Benin empire, the nobles have precolonial regalia's which are exactly what you can see in the artefacts. Yoruba fraudsters who understand nothing about Benin culture should stop trying to rewrite Ife into Benin history. The claiming of Benin artefacts (and copies of of them) is a new low. The dress code depicted in the artefacts is that of Benin empire, it is not that of Ife, at all. Every Obi has that regalia with the conical crown. Only the Oba has the crown which figures the Benin swords. Having such a regalia is s symbole of bring part of Benin empire.
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Procashtips:He called a recently made artefact (depicting the Oba of Benin) an Ife ancient artefact 🤣 |
Procashtips:Why did you guys just let the lie about the artefacts to go unchallenged? |
Raf4:It is not about "history books", it is about documents written by eye-witnesses. All you are proving with the date of your "history books" is that Yoruba were already involved in rewriting history 100 years ago. I posted documents much older than your "history books" and they contradicted your "history books". And the documents which I posted were written by people describing what their eyes were seeing contrary to your "history books" written by people talking about things they claimed happened hundreds of years before their grand parents were born. |
Beuberry:When will you guys stop with the fraud. The only artefact in there which is not a recent copy is the third one. All the rest are recently made copies of Benin artefacts, they are not ancient at all. Why didn't anybody call this out ? Do you guys know anything about Benin Bronzes ? When discussing history, Yoruba always come with fraud. Why don't you guys just do like normal people and try to research history instead of rewriting it ? Your Ife is not in any ancient map, that is to tell you it was either an irrelevant village, or it is a new settlement. To my Edo folks, do not lower the bar of proof. That would be a gift to the Yoruba fraudsters. They are basically defending fairytales, so they can't substantiate them with logic and evidence. If you start lowering the requirements for proof, then you open the door for fraud and you give them a chance to defend their lie. History is researched in eyewitness written documents! Mr fraudster, the second picture is that if a recently made artefact depicting the Oba of Benin, it is not an "Ife artefact". Let me help you: Picture 1: recently made artefact depicting the Oba of Benin. Picture 2: again recently made artefact of the Oba of Benin and a Benin noble Picture 3: ancient Benin artefact. Picture 4: bad recent copy of Benin artefacts. |
Map published in 1630: https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:cj82kr907
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OyinO:The Romans "gave" the name "Africa" to a tribe in Tunisia, and it was later used to describe the entire continent. I don't see why you think it is relevant to say that Africa is a continent and not a settlement. My point is that the fact that Lagos is a Portuguese word doesn't imply that Lagos was a Portuguese settlement. And for your information, the first name written down for Lagos wasn't Lagos, it was Ichoo (Eko). I think you don't fully understand that the Portuguese did not "name" Lagos, they only referred to it as such in their documents. Or were you under the impression that there was an official naming ceremony? Use your brain. Edit. "Africa" is a Roman word, not Greek. |
OyinO:And what supports this claim of yours ? This is just the preferred way to do rubbish eyewitness written documents. By claiming today without any yota of evidence, that those documents were "guess work". We are in the game of providing evidence while you keep trying to rubbish evidence with unsubstantiated smears and you keep pushing your preferred unsubstantiated stories as history. |
OyinO:Are you aware that the name "Africa" is a Greek word ? Does that mean that Africa was first a Greek settlement? Edit: Africa is a Roman word, not Greek. |
Map of Africa published in 1570: https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:st74cw506#
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OyinO:The "yorubas" are not a homogenous group of people. Some of them are slave decendants from Brazil, Cuba ...or decendants from local escapee slaves like the egbas, some are from oyo kingdom (also called yarri.ba)... It is well recorded that Lagos was flooded by all these people as soon as the British took over Lagos in 1861 from Benin. The flooding continued well into postcolonial Nigeria and it is still ongoing today |
OyinO:Where did you get this info from ? You see me bringing out evidence, and you come here to give me an unsubstantiated story ? The first maps of the region show Lagos as being part of Benin, not as being a Portuguese settlement! |
Map published in 1638: https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:7h149z97c (Notice that huge kingdom of Biafara next to Kingdom of Benin) Benin was a large Kingdom, Benin city is only its capital city.
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OyinO:The truth is that there is no way of knowing which set of people was in a location first, the question doesn't even make sense. Founding a kingdom and being the first people to live on a land are 2 things which Nigerians don't seem to be able to differentiate. Let me make this clearer to all: no human being can prove his specific group of people were the first to live in a certain geographical zone. It is possible that the Zulus of Southafrica were the first group of human beings to live in Lagos. It is possible that it were a community of Chinese who were the first people to live in Lagos. But the question is who founded Lagos ? And the answer is Benin. |
This is how you research history. It is not about "history books" or stories. It is about documents written down hundreds of years ago by people describing what was in front of their eyes. |