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Horus: Christians are hypocrits. What is the day of the week they choose to worship?, SUN-day, yes they go to church to worship every SUNday

catholics have their theological reason but modern xtians? ask pappville n bookmark

Boomark: So tell us how many of them made an image of the snake on the pole and use it to worship God or to look unto God. They must be overwhelmed by its saving power.

SMH too.

Tot u had d bible? Read how looked up to it. many. They were healed and it was not idolatrious?

Logicboy03: Lol....so you admit that your modern christianity came from a pagan history?

The daughter of a pagan mother church!

Pappville purified the demonic roots of his religion and made it holy! Alleluyah!!

ijawkid: Thanks for calling me an ignoramus.....you are welcome...

You just agreed the early christians didn't hang the cross in there homes nor made the sign of the cross when praying....so can you tell me who started this whole worship of the cross and its use in worship since the apostles and 1st century christians didn't ??

And now you are up with the bronze snake saga....right??

If Yahweh had not commanded moses to erect that bronze serpent would moses have done it??

Besides is it the carved cross in your house,the rosary you wear,and the cross sign you make when you praying that will save you or when you exercise faith in Jesus??

Which saves??

The cross or Jesus??

If Jesus was killed with a cutlass would you wear the shape of a cutlass on your neck or hang in it in your house??

The tree on which Jesus was killed means nothing....other persons have been killed and impaled on trees prior to Jesus' death...its Jesus' shed blood that saves not what he was killed with....

It is plain idolatry when you insist you must use the instrument which Jesus was killed with in worship of God....

The cross you hang in your homes and also the rosary you use is useless....no early christian engaged in such practices....

So he's not against puting up a snake shape to safe his pple. Tell me. Where they looking up to the bronze snake for healing or looking up to God. Hmm.

ijawkid: how is Ðrinking bloÓd and t®ansfusing blood 2 different things??

Is it the mode by which it gets into the body that is different or the fact that external blood found its way into the body??

Drinking or transfusion are both modes by whÍch one can take in blood....

Na lie??

I won't die if I refuse to take blood...

There are alternatives to blood transfusion........

Please tell me you're a vegetarian. Else you're guilty stop forming saint!

ijawkid: I understood your post completely...

My point was for you to realize that your quoting galatians has no connection with our discussion..
Remember our discussion was on:: should the cross be used in worship??did the early christians use the cross in worship??

Those were my questions..

Pauls words to the galatians does not answer that question..

Learn to answer questions correctly..



I am only saying some Jews were amongst the galatians who already knew about Jesus' death and ressurection......











All the apostles did was preach about Jesus's death on the cross and nothing more...they never made carvings of the cross and used it as an integral part of there worship...that would have been tantamount to idolatry...its not the cross that saves,its Jesus' sacrificial death...

The cross is not what is important......Jesus' death is what is important..if Jesus was killed with a gun,what more can you do other than preach Jesus was killed with or by a gun and move on??would the gun be the important thing or Jesus' death??
Or would you start hanging an ak47(assuming Jesus was killed with an ak47) on your neck,hanging it in your house and maybe making the gun sign when praying??


You guys have gone haywire with the use of the cross that you even make the cross sign when praying..

What would you call that if not idolatry??

Preaching about Jesus' death does not give us the leverage to make carvings and moulds of the cross and using it in worship,making rosaries and wearing them as tallisman, and making the cross sign when praying...

The early christians never did that...



The scriptures tells me I should read from Gods law day and night...Jesus did the same...

The scriptures is Gods laws...

Is it paganistic to read the scripturesna wa for you o

Like the box of the convenant and the tabernacle and alter sacrifical materials were idolatry symbols ordained and designed by God?

Boomark: When you come to me i will show you my Mum and Dad so that you wount call me bastard again before i loose my temperature.

Your Pope should prove or tell us he didn't say this:
"calling Satan evil is not my personal view"
this amounts to begging satan indirectly. God told us satan is evil so he should stand on it if he is a man of God and not fear the devil.

Please. I'm interested in the bible quotes where it was specifically stated o! Me I want to learn.

Hmm. So if I say I don't share your opinion of something it means I'm apologetic to that thing? Ah! What if the Pope believes the Devil is worse than evil. That directly means he's apologising to the devil? This is serious!

ijawkid: I still don't know how the cross became the symbol of christianity......the early christians and the apostles never used that item in worship nor hung it around there homes....

The use of the cross in worship is pure idolatry......

They didn't hang it, but they made references to it. The cross, death, and ressurection didn't they?

Hmm that reminds me. Putting a snake on the pole for isrealities to look up to for healing of snake bites in the desert too must have been idolatry ordained by God abi. Cos that statue must definitely be demonic. Hmm.

Smh. Igonoramus!

plappville: Ask urself if the Catholic is older than the book they compiled? They did not decide anything or else they will insert all thier Paganism doctrine. God promised to preserve His word. In whtever means, it must be presarved. Did the Catholic also compiled the book Jesus used? For ur mind euh!!

Lol. This sounds funny coming from someone who sounds so intelligent to be asking such questions. Do you know the meaning of compiliation? That where all the editing and arrangement comes from. Now I give you a book compiled and edited by me and you then come to me telling me you know better about thesame book when you don't even know what the original looks like? Whoa!

You didn't answer or make comments to my other questions regarding your religious calendar tho.

Neither have you made comments about your own religious history and succession plan.

plappville: The only true History Book is the Bible. If u had not the privillage to hold it, you woudnt find the truth.

And what is sunday school?

So I'm guessing the truth about the churches history which you said is 'true' is written in your version of the Bible?

I can't read all your post. But for your own good I hope your religion is atleast 1,000years old if it survives that long then you can come compare how scriptural you've been.

That been said, I'm also hoping for your sake that you do not read the bible as your source of God's word because incase you didn't read that part in your history book. The RCC compiled and decided which books should make up the Bible, which books should be used as references and which should remain in the library.

I should also be @ liberty to think you're not following the churches calendar as regards to the days for xmas and easther.

And I think your post of knowing the truth through learning history Would explain the magnificat of elizbeth d mother of John.

Just a quick reminder, do you know dec 25 was not the day Jesus was born?

plappville: God bless you, this is just the truth.

@Op, good job. Many are been misled, thier soul if facing demnation if they don't come out of Her according to Revelation.

I'd love to know how much of history you know about your religion.

Is this thought @ your sunday school or what?

Education is a life time journey and transition. It occurs everywhere (even in your dream). The level of an individuals exposure and williness would also influence the level of education.

An opened minded person is more likely to be more educated even if he / she did not attend formal school setting than a closed minded individual. School/ formal education is the societal standard for education. However, you can attend all the schools in the world without getting educated safe you're open minded and willing to learn, absorb,and you're not afraid to evolve into something/someone new. And that's where the statement he/she passed through the school but the school didn't pass through them.

italo: Firstly let me ask forgiveness. Perhaps I was too harsh in my statement. The way I sounded, perhaps one would think that you were carelessly spreading a false teaching. But perhaps you just misunderstand some of the news you heard or read... Or I misunderstood your post.

You initial post seems to be saying it is NOT wrong for a husband and wife to use condoms for birth control. If that is what you are saying, you are wrong, and even the two links you gave say nothing like that. But if you were saying that it is wrong to use a condom, then you are right and I don't need any link to know that. I only need your pardon.

Now for those who don't know:

The Pope cannot and did not approve the use of condoms, he only meant that in the case of certain people like homosexual men, it could be better to use condoms and it might be the 1st step to moralization, teaching them that NOT everything should be done. Homosexual acts are evil already, with or without condoms. But in the case of a married couple, sex is not evil when done in charity, but using condoms make it evil. For those of us who are not married but want to have sex with the opposite sex, the Pope says 'sex outside of marriage is evil, with or without condoms', 'practise abstinence'. So condoms CANNOT be approved.

i must say my statement about married couples was outa misunderstanding of d condition surrounding d use of condom.

billings method is the only recognised method of family planning approved by d church and taught during the pre marriage course.

italo: Please let me beg both of you in the name of the Father and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit. If you are unsure of something, it is better to be quiet about it. The Pope did not make the above statement and The Catholic Church will never change its view on such an important doctrinal issue ever, not even to suit a changing world.

The Church has always maintained that sex outside of marriage is wrong. That abortion, the use of condoms and contraceptives are all wrong.

What the world is looking for is anything that can be used to criticize the Catholic Church (including inconsistencies) because it is the only institution that stands firmly against the world as they try to portray all these evils as 'okay.' So we should be careful about what we say and should educate ourselves about Church doctrine.

I mean no harm. I'm just horrified about the harm that your statements can possibly cause the Church.

Please! When you're making antagonistic statements and condeming others for their ignorance be sure you're saying the right and correct things.

You obviously need to update ur cathcesis# I hope these links would help.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8148899/Pope-approves-use-of-condoms-in-fight-against-Aids.html

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/jan-june11/vatican_05-30.html&sa=U&ei=6ceKUOusJ9ORhQfJ4IGACQ&ved=0CCkQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNGfGTNsWUG3VU9fllkh6HdKMXxhHw

Femmymata2: Satan's ability/power as regards all-knowing is not much clear to me. The armageddon,satan's capture,release(1000yrs) and final capture to be thrown in hell forever is revealed to everyone that reads the book of revelation which includes satan himself. But my point is that God is assumed to be all-knowing: why put job and his family through all that tribulation(for his glory?), when u surely know the final outcome.

Let's come to our own level. The fact that someone wiv lesser physical status whom you very well know you can defeat in a fight challenges you does it mean you have to backdown? No! Why? Cos even the challenger knows he can't win and so do you but if you constantly deny him you eventually be either termed a coward or unfair. God doesn't want to ignore this war cos he knows he already won. No! He wants to give satan a fair chance to battle too.

Satan enjoyed wrecking havoc in jobs life though he lost the bet(despite knowing God's omniscience), then i'm so curious about how God feels replacing jobs family with a new set makes amend for the pointless destruction of the first family. Do jobs first family have free-will,

Now I think its the book of prophet jeremaha that states that God is a jealous God and he'll visit the sin of the father down to the third and the fourt generation. So been a baby doesn't entirely mean you innocent because like scripture says in sin we were concieved. If you can inherite your fathers wealth and blessings, his strength and weaknesses why not his curses?

why does an unchanging God punish children for the 'sin' of the father. Is it a fair judgement, is it fair that an omnipresent God will watch little children burn in a house,raped by evil men,slaughtered by religious fanatics,burnt in a plane crash,ravaged by life threaten diseases,born with terrible ailment,deformities,disabilities e.t.c.

Disasters happen everyday. Yes. But compared to the sin of this world? He's very merciful.

If a God that believes a child that is born blind is meant to be a glory to him, i can never reverence such a GOD

Now the part that you mentioned that he glories in liberating people. The existence of God would be lost if he doesn't set extraordinary standards. Like creating a one to challenge the thoughts and wisdom of others.

bid4rich: Im 30 and she is 27

No woman who has plans for a guy would date him for 10years and not be sure if she loves you or not. The truth? She doesn't love you. Infact she's only tolerating you cos she has not been able to replace you. Once she finds someone you're up in smokes. So bro. Move on!!!

Femmymata2: God and satan gambling on job's loyalty. God won, satan lost(did the devil not know that God is all-knowing. Its just like logicboy and God betting on the outcome of a football match.

He does. But like yesterday he is still hoping he could win the battle. Does he know he won't win the Amagedon? He knows but he still keeps his fighting spirit even after several million years.

That's what pride does to an individual. It blinds logic and create its own illusion for the proud to dwell.

FXKing2012: I've always told u not to talk abt the Bible cos u dont have the spiritual standing to understand it. God never killed Job's family; in fact, Job's family wld not have died if he had not left the protective shield covering him and his family. Job was a very fearful man and his fear made satan to have access to him. But the good thing is he (Job) believed in God strong enough not to deny God.
Pls get knowledge and stop exposing ur folly!

Hey! Me I read the bible o and I don't see where it is writen that Job lost his family because he stoped been an undercover agent. I think that's what you'll like to believe cos its comfortable for you. But what the bible is clear about is that God gave satan the permission to destroy everything that had Job's signature/interest except Job's life just to proof a point.

ITbomb: Just like those catholic girls would say pls don't use condom it is against our doctrine , just enter like that.

Hmm wahala wa o! As a catholic I know the Pope has corrected this notion a while ago that the use of condom as birth control is not forbiden provided its used between husband and wife. So me I don't know where you find your own catholic gurls o.

N.B: The church also stands with bible against pre and extra marital sex.

[quote author=frosbel]God is ONE and then he is THREE.

If this does not defy logic then logic does not exist.

Yet we know that God is the author of Logic for he created the brain to reason, analyse and decide.

What did the bible say about marriage? He says the 'man must leave his fathers house and cling to his wife to become one' and he also says they are no more two but one. Does that mean one part does not exist. Then he also says that he and his father are 'one' not so? The book of John then opens with 'in the begining was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God' he explained how this word came into the world and the world understands it not.

God specifically stated that 'he cannot change' or like kjv puts it 'he changeth not'. So you ask what can God not do? He already gave an answer.

There are christians in all these countries. Maybe in the minority but it has taken christianity over 2000years to get this far and its growing by the day.

pastormustwacc: Wrong, my real roots are catholic and not pentecostal. I was even an alter boy in catholic church, so i should have gone back to catholic church.
But i did not and never will.

Yeah! I hear that all the time. But from obsavertion the best way to be detached is been an alter boy. They commit the most atrocities in the church + they are so ignorant of they is preached or the values sef. You see their eyes drift so unsettled bunch and then for some reasons they want you to belief they know all just cos they share a seat on the alter?! Devil was the head of the choiristers in heaven#