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Hiswordxray:
It's time we break free from Bible worship

What do you mean 'Bible worship' pls? You mean we shd free ourselves from the Word of God?

Let me call some people in here.

Bro Muttleylaff and Butterfly1ion. Maybe i don't get it, pls you guys shd help me here.

Hiswordxray:
We need to recall that when the early church gathered together, they had
no scrolls in their laps. They came together and shared the rivers of living
water flowing from Christ through them. They had no written texts in front
of them, but the Living Christ was expressing Himself through each
believer. Note: even though the early believers brought no Book to the
gatherings, every person who came was a living letter written by Christ,
not in ink, but by the Spirit of the living God. Is it possible that our fixation
on a printed Book has contributed significantly to our not hearing Christ
through the living epistles gathered together? Are we aware of the fact that
even the idea of each person having their own copy of a Bible is a very
recent historical phenomenon? (See F.F. Bruce, The History of the English
Bible, 3rd Edition).
Doesn’t a lot of our problem stem from the fact that when we read certain
words and phrases in the Writings, we assume that “the Bible” is in view?
For example, when Jesus said, “sanctify them through Your truth, Your
Word is truth,” do we assume that Jesus was talking about “the Bible”?
Many take “the word of God” in Hebrews 4:12 as referring to “the Bible,”
yet the context shows that a Person is in view, not a Book. Keep in mind,
“the Bible” as we know it did not exist as an entity until 400AD. Do we not
know that Jesus Christ Himself is the Truth, that He is the Word of God?
A spin-off from our fixation on the Bible is that there is the real possibility
that we will become letter-oriented instead of Spirit-led. The Spirit inspired
the Scriptures, but if the Bible is not approached and handled in a Christ-
centered way, it becomes a dangerous tool that is used to justify abuse,
create division and false teaching. We must recall that during the most
explosive period of the body of Christ, 30-50AD, they did not have a Book
to bring to the meetings. In fact, from 250AD to 1800AD, it would have been
ludicrous and laughable for the person up front to say to those assembled,
“Turn in your Bibles to Mark, chapter six.” Haven’t most of us assumed
that in the course of church history people had access to the Bible just like
we do, when in fact before 1800 such access was rare and very limited in
scope?
The Scriptures are important. The problems are with how the Bible is used,
not with the Bible itself. Father has Spirit-inspired them, and their sole
purpose is to reveal the Son. T.C. Moore gets to the point:
The key to the Bible is Jesus. The point of the Bible
is Jesus. The God of the Bible is Jesus. Any
discussion of the Bible that does not lead to a
discussion of Jesus misses the point.
For people to proudly confess “Sola Scriptura ” has proven for centuries to
resolve nothing at all. In fact, the slogan has contributed in no small way to
the multiplication of divisions. It has been repeated as a mantra for a long
time now, and all we have is a jumbled mess and a pie cut up into 25,000
pieces.
Why can’t we begin and end with Solo Christo – Christ alone?
– Jon Zens, January 1, 2015

Too long nah. Who will have the time to read all these? We no get work?

Niflheim:
@4kings and @cuteMadridista


My senior bros in the [/b]"Sacred and Unholy Order of the Abominable Pumpkins"[b] is the one that brings the stories to me around 9 minutes to midnight, and he orders me to publish them.............................................I have no choice but to do
what he asks me to do!!! We are family!!!

This explains your hatred for YHWH. Hmmmm. Seeds bares fruits when they rippen, you shall reap.

Let the darkness forces you promote inhabit you.

ellagabs:
nawa o, what kinda talk is this?

Ignore him. The demon inside of him just spoke out.

4kings:
Niflheim where do you get these horrible stories from every week? Na wa ooo
What's your deal with searching about these weird stuff?

This is how you know a sadist. Nothing enlightening or uplifting ever comes from him, only what will.dampen the apirit.

Dark energy.

OtemAtum:
Enuma Elish was not on wikipedia 1,000 years ago, it got there in the last century. Those who will enjoy the Wikipedic Doctufos will be on earth 500 years from now, so you may not need it. The truth (DOCTUFOS) has finally come after many lies(Enuma Elish, Bible, Quran) have pervaded the earth. Congrats to the WORLD!!!

Oh. But you are alive today and have the information about soctofus. Where did you get it from?

Quoting a great mind here (Muttlelaff i think), 'lies runs sprints, but truths runs marathons.

Only you in the entire Universe have info about doctofus.

Going by your threads, i was hoping you'd really sieze this opportunity and talk about what you spend so much time all by yourself talking.

OkCornel:
Am I daft? Does this sound like the way a Christian or a mature person would even discuss?

It's a simple question. Are you daft? You either say Yes i am daft or no i am not. Abi Christians don't ask questions where you come from? Christians be mumu for ya side?
What is immature about asking you a question abeg?

How can a mature man old enough to father children will insist that 'Heavenly Father' is a proper noun?

OkCornel:
Bros... I am not going to exchange insults with you to prove a point... so be mature enough to pass across your message without insults...

Sister, if i'd said 'You are daft', then that would have meant insult. I only asked you a question. Again, are you daft? Answer me.

OkCornel:
By the way, the issue is no longer about claiming I ran away from explaining Olodumare... it's now about the link abi?
Abi you did not see what I posted about the link explaining Olodumare? smh

Sister, what is the name of the God you serve?


Father, in Jesus name, i recieve Grace to ignore this person from now henceforth. Amen.

Bye.

OtemAtum:
https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/ doctrine -
ufos /66#62568678

Wikipedia or Google or Encyclopedia does not have the Doctofus, why is that? I need a verifiable source pls.

I don't need stories pls. Shey you see that Enuma Elish is on Net? Something like that.

OkCornel:
The part I bolded shows you just told a blatant lie...

I guess you did not see where I pasted a wikipedia link which I clearly stated is consistent with my understanding of Olodumare...

Try and be honest for goodness sake...is that too much to ask?

If indeed I ran away...then what am I doing on this thread up till now?

And can't you see the dialogue going on between myself and ifenes?

Read up what I posted about Olodumare and compare to YHWH... then tell us what the differences are apart from the names...

Did you read in the Op that you post what the link says or not?

You are daft?

OtemAtum:
Mirosh is the GOD ALMIGHTY that Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Olorun, Atum and millions of gods and goddesses worship right from the beginning billions of years ago.Humans have never worshipped Mirosh whom the gods didn't want us to find out, rather, humans have worshipped the gods such as Yahweh, Enlil, Anu, Chaleb, etc.
If you check all books, bible, Epic of Gilgamesh, etc, none of them had records of the earth of 3 billion years ago. But the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH has it, therefore you can expect to see the creator of your gods there, whom the gods worshipped until it sent them into all the parts of the multiverses to explore.

Only you have access to this info, pls link.

OtemAtum:
Go and read the Doctufos of truth.

Is that a source?

Post a link here.

OkCornel:
Perhaps you can ask Jesus if He was slow too...

Or would the Son of God be scared to call God by His real name?
it is that name Jesus called God by that is of interest to me...

Please tell us where Jesus called God by any name(s) apart from Heavenly Father...

DON'T DODGE THIS

First and foremost Jesus is YHWH in flesh. The only reason He addressed YHWH as fathsr was becos he was in the flesh.

Everyone apart from you knows that YHWH is the heavenly father of YASHUA

OkCornel:
You are typing long story...

Just show me where Jesus called God by any other name apart from Heavenly Father...

I am waiting for your response...

Besides...if God is YHWH ... is He also Olodumare, Abasi or Chukwu?

Is heavenly Father a name? If i call my father Daddy, will that be his name?
Are you retarded?

OkCornel:
2,000 years ago...it was the Pharisees with their Torah calling Jesus a Prince of Demons...

Today... it's the Christians with their Bibles calling a follower of Jesus and a truthseeker a worshipper of Satan...

nothing much has changed about the nature of man... they will always make a religion out of the truth...

godisgood200 ... I await your evidence that I am a worshipper of Satan...
I also wonder why you are quick to call the name Satan...

While at it...please show me where Jesus called God by any other name apart from Heavenly Father...

Truth does not hide from the light. Why are you hiding?

OkCornel:
If you insist God's real name is YHWH...
What of Olodumare, Abasi or Chukwu?

Are you any different from someone who chose to believe that God Almighty revealed Himself to Mohammed as Allah?

Just show me where Jesus called God's real name to be YHWH... I'll be fine with that...

You asked this question before and Muttleylaff reponded by asking you who you know Olodumare to be you Ran off.

You were asked to post the Activities of those Gods, so that by them we can ascertain if they are the same, you ran away.
Now you are bringing the question back up.


Now, present the activities of Abasi, Olodumare and Allah. Let's know them by their Modus Operandis first. If their Activities are consistent with what the Bible says about YHWH, then we will know if they are the same.

0temSapien:
Enki is a real entity, but stories peddled about him in the so-called Epic of Gilgamesh is more of fictions than reality. Same goes for Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu etc in the bible, Quran and Vedas respectively.
The truth is here and that's why I am on earth.
As for your injunction that I should be tagging people on my posts/threads, I don't find it necessary as I don't have time for prolonged argument at the moment. I am not here to convert people but to write down UNIVERSAL HISTORY which the generations to come can read and be able to understand the universe better.

Is it too hard a task to be focused? This thread is not about Allah and the rest. Pls pay attention and dwell on what is in focus here.

If Enki was a real person abi na god who was at a point venerated, he must have records of that. He won't just exist in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

I need sources pls.

OkCornel:
The God Jesus spoke about is the one I serve...

Any other one is of zero concern to me...

if you insist, please tell me the name(s) Jesus called God by...

You serve Satan sir. That's why you can't openely call his name. No one serves the God Jesus servse who doesn't know that that God is YHWH.

OkCornel:
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob sounds like the god of the Jews alone...does not sound like a Father of All to me...

Which God do you serve? Can you manage this? Is it too much of a task for you? Which God do you serve?

Here is what YHWH says He is...
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
Exodus:3:6

Good News Translation Ephesians 2:11-14
One in Christ You Gentiles by birth—called “the uncircumcised” by the Jews, who call themselves the circumcised (which refers to what men do to their bodies)—remember what you were in the past.

At that time you were apart from Christ. You were foreigners and did not belong to God's chosen people. You had no part in the covenants, which were based on God's promises to his people, and you lived in this world without hope and without God.

But now, in union with Christ Jesus you, who used to be far away, have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For Christ himself has brought us peace by making Jews and Gentiles one people.

With his own body he broke down the wall that separated them and kept them enemies.

YHWH is the God of Israel, He only temporarily engrafted us in His covenant He made with Abraham through Christ.

Which is your God pls?

OkCornel:
I have repeated over and over again...God has never changed, it is the perception of God by man that has changed over time...that is why I am not too concerned labelling God with a set of names...Jesus has made this thing too simple for goodness sake...

Let me give you an example of this change in perception...

Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
Exodus:3:6

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Exodus:6:3
I perceive a fox wants to be accepted as a sheep.

OkCornel:
Initially, the Jews viewed God as YHWH...a jealous and furious God willing to visit the sins of the fathers unto the 4th generation...

They thought YHWH was responsible for good and evil...but later on, their views on that changed. They felt God was responsible for good and Satan responsible for evil...

That led to different views on who exactly incited David to perform a census in Israel.
One part of the Bible said God incited David...another part of the Bible said Satan tempted David...

Now tell me who led David into counting the children of Israel? God or Satan?


It's funny when you say God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob... were these that knew God in those days?

By the way...Jesus should know God's real name...can you show us where Jesus mentioned the name of God in the Bible apart from Heavenly Father?

You are trying too hard to hide, but your yansh is uncovered.

OkCornel:
If you say YHWH is God Almighty... does this also apply to Olodumare, Abasi or Chukwu?

You are not smart by hlaf, but you think you. Stop being sneaky.

What God do you serve? Is it the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob? Let's start from there.

OtemAtum:
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The embolden makes me laugh. Firstly, I have a life outside nairaland- job, academy, family life, financial life etc. So a delay in replying to post doesn't mean running away from one's mention.

Hmmm. Interesting to hear you now have a life outside Nairaland. Good.

OtemAtum:
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Now concerning your question. Let me first let you know that out of the uncountable things made by God Almighty, only humans and deities like Yahweh, Allah, Atum, Olorun, Eshu, Vishnu, Moloch, Mazda etc are concerned with giving names to things.

Pls Otem, can you not take me through a roller coaster? I'm only interested in the name of the Almighty God here. Pls what is his name.

OtemAtum:
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God Almighty which created all things have been named by the gods right from the time of their existence. These are few of the names these gods have named God Almighty their creator: Mirosh, Nekla, Reverad etc,

These are the names of God Alnighy? Okay.

There's no record account of Mirosh as God pls i need more info to checkout Mirosh's Activities.

NEKLA is a town Poland, not a god. Source.
Reverad: There's no record of Reverad anywhere as God.

Pls Otem be serious. If Humans had ever worahipped this God, he or it will have records. Give me sources.
[quote author=OtemAtum post=658831
depending on the language spoken by a particular deity.
Mirosh is a Seriot language name for God Almighty, the CREATOR. Reverad is an ancient latin name for God.
God can also be called THE EXISTENCE. All these are just names people like Atum, Enlil, Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Vishnu, Chaleb, Enki, Olorun have called God Almighty their Creator from one era to another.[/quote]Okay. If humans at anytime subscribed to thia god, he or it, shd have records or info on Net, nothing on it. So pls source.

OkCornel:
Why not ask Jesus this question?

Heavenly Father is the name of God But if you insist on asking for the real name of God... please show me where Jesus called God by another name...unless you are implying Moses knew and understood God better than Jesus

You want to force a Hebrew name down the throat of everyone?

@the bolded, are you seriously serious or you are joking?

@the second bolded. Then the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Israel is not your God. Case closed.

0temSapien:
These people were telling stories which are fictitious, but you guys take the stories as the real deal. Who should be blamed for it?

And you have been telling the Enki stoy as true nah. Your threads are full of them.


It's time for you to let the world know that you KNOW what you have been propagating.

I have noticed that you don't engage anyone on the things you post. Pls do well to let us know.

OkCornel:
Thanks, because I am really trying hard to look beyond the names for and establish some consistencies in these various accounts of the flood...

However, there are still contradictions in the different stories sticking out here and there...

The Epic of Gilgamesh's Ark was Square, the Geneis Ark was Rectangular.

In Genesis YHWH brought down the flood because of Sin While Epic of Gilgamesh was for population control. lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz, they gods created more people than then could carw for, so killed some. Wonderful.

Their Arks landed on different mountains.

Are these stories the same?

Ifenes and OtemAtum?

OkCornel:
For those who are of the opinion Moses plagiarized the Epic of Gilgamesh (and perhaps other Sumerian texts)...without even considering if he had a vision of what transpired in the ancient past...

I have a question on a contradiction in between Moses' account and the Sumerian texts (inclusive of the Epic of Gilgamesh) which may give us clues on the answer to the OP

The Bible stated that the Sons of God came down to earth and slept with the daughters of men who bore Nephilims.

The Bible states that God Almighty instructed Noah to build an ark for safety from the coming destruction...however, the Sumerian text states that Enki (a son of Anu) instructed Ziusdra to build an ark for safety from the coming destruction...

Bearing in mind that Ziusdra and Noah are one and the same person... my question goes thus. Who gave the instruction to build the ark? Was it God Almighty Himself or a Son of God?

One of these conflicting accounts should be the truth... ifenes, Gayjesus please what do you have to say about this?

Also bear in mind that Moses knew God Almighty to be YHWH...

While on that, ask them to clarify this discrepancies too
1. Between Utnapishtim and ziusdra who was Noah? because Epic of Gilgamesh says Utnapishtim is the one whom Ea (a god) told to build the boat to be saved from the flood. Wheil Enuma Elish says Enki instructed Ziusdra to build an Ark.
So which of them was exactly Noah?

2. Genesis says only Noah has his nuclear family were saved from the flood, WHILE, Epic of Gilgamesh says, Utnapishtim, his family, the craftsmen who built the boat, and many animals entered the boat.

Can these two accounts be one and the same?

3. Genesis says the rains fell for 40 days and nights and they was an under water tsunami which cauaed the water underneath the earth to gush out. While
Epic of Gilgamesh says the rain lasted for 6to 7 days.

Can 7days rain flood the entire aerth? Are these the same accounts?

4. Genesis says after the flood Noah lived 600yrs and he died, BUT, Epic of Gilgamesh says that Utipishtim was given eternal life by Enlil who caused the flood.

Is Anu the same entity as Enlil?

Ifenes, OtemAtum pls adress these points.

OkCornel:
And Jesus that called God Heavenly Father....do you know more than Him?

Bros, does your earthly Father have a name? When addressing him, do you call him by his name? I mean the name his parents gave to him?

My Dad's name is Emmanuel. When addressing him i don't go, hey, Emmanuel, i just called to check on you and to ask How Virginia(My mother) is doing. I say, hello Dad. How are you today? Is Mom good?

And, if i were telling someone about my Dad, i don't go; 'I told Emmanuel about this professional course i want to run, and he promised to send me the cash for the registrarion. Emmanuel is so supportive of my dreams'.

I go, 'I told my Father about this professional Course i want to run, and he promised to send me the cash for the registration. My Father is so supportive of my dreams'.
This is how sane and well brought up kids address your Fathers. And, that is what Jesus did.

You forget He is a Jew and takes the Law seriously. 'Take Not the Name of The Lord thy God in vian' is a command Jesus kept. But, that didn't mean He didn't know the personal name of His Father.

OtemAtum:
I have come o. What's up? First of all, I don't do beliefs, I do KNOWING, so there's no belief of mine to tell. But concerning knowing, I will tell you.
God Almighty is not 'my god' but OUR GOD. We are all subsets of GOD ALMIGHTY. Yahweh, Atum, Allah, You, Me, Vishnu, Moloch, Mazda and the rest of the thousands of deities from time immemorial are within the great consciousness called GOD(Existence).
God(EXISTENCE) is Great!!!

Okay, fair enough.
But, do you know (Since we are dealing with KNOWING) that GOD is not a name of a deity but a title? It is a common noun for a whole class. Meaning, every entity or object deitified is in the class of God. God is not a personal name of a particular deity, as all the deities have their personal names.

This said, lets take for example, President . This is a title given to Head of a Nation. But, every Nation's president has a name, e.g for example; PRESIDENT TRUMP of America and PRESIDENT BUHARI of Nigeria. That Buhari is a preseident does not make himTrump.

Now, that we know that GOD is not a name, pls tell me the name of the God whose consciousness you are talking about.

Or, are you saying Conciousness is God? If Yes, you'd have to tell me how this Conciousness assumed the place of deity.

Am waiting. Pls don't run away for too long again.

Those your threads are to solitary, come over here and have company

Mariangeles:
It didn't take him long! smh
It wasn't about the Catholic church holding him back after all, it was all about the flesh.

Why would someone want to marry a man who swore an oath of celibacy then went back on his word...?

Whether you swore as a Catholic priest or not, fact is you swore an oath to GOD, then you went back on your word.

So you agree that Catholic Church holds people back as opposed to what the Bible said?

The Bible says, to avoid fornication let everyman marry his wife and let every woman marry her husband. But the evil sin breeding Catholic Church decieved him, forbade and held him back. God made us to have sex. Plenty of it so that we can fulfil his command of multiying seed on earth. But satan opposes God every time.

Celibacy in the priesthood is not Christian, its Hellenistic. Every priest in the Bible married, but the Hellenistic priests and preistesses don't marry.

Stop the idol worship man.

Homeboiy:
He first de fùck that lady behind close doors

because na weytin Catholic Church teach am before nah. Fornication no be sin for una nah

It appears only Catholics experience this phenomenon 'Stigmata' why?

I sincerely need to learn about this phenomenon and why the Catholic Church associates it with Christ.


Jesus' wounds were inflicted on Him by nails, He wasn't born with nail woulds. What causes these Catholics to be born with bleeding wounds called the wounds of Christ?

Is this natural or satanic.

Don't bash o, educate.

What is their relarionship?

OkCornel:
Is Heavenly Father the name of a deity? why not ask Jesus that question?

Or do you think Jesus is confused?

Jesus that has made things simple and straight forward...but I guess you know more than Him sha...

Shd it be questions back and forth? When i ask u answer, when you ask i shd answer.

OkCornel:
And what of the Christians that got converted to Islam? You want to tell me they were all converted forcefully?

I am not making a case for Anu or Allah...

Perhaps, evasiveness has a new meaning in the dictionary I am not aware of. So when someone has further points to make...its called evasiveness? I see...

Now it's no longer about Anu, it's Allah. Good luck with that.

I'm off.

OkCornel:
You are evading my question...

Did God reveal Himself to you? If yes... what name did He call Himself?

He revealed Himself to me as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, THE CREATOR IF HEAVEN AND THE EARTH. The Father of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and His name is YHWH. For, i am the Seed of Abraham.

What is the name of the Almighty God whose Truth you have inside of you? From page one if this thread, you have been on this.

Or, are you ashamed of calling Satan the almighty god in public? because it's obvious you are hiding something.

You know what? I won't do this with you. Keep dragging whoever has time to waste on you.