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The Bible says, Many are the devices of a man's heart, nevertheless, the counsel of the Lord, that stand.

Let men do all the psychic projections, and predictions , it shal be as YHWH the creator and the possessor of all the powers in heaven and on earth determines.

cyborg123:
You have had a personal encounter with Jesus?

Yes i have. And until you have yours, you can never understand what i will tell you. No one ever encounters Christ and turns back.
It is a testimony that lives with you forever. No matter how hard your faith gets tested, that encounters speaks louder and keeps you in Christ's Love.

You shd seek for it. The Epiphanies are not the same.

Watsoneology:
Priest Are Human Like Us

They Also Have Feelings For Sex On Daily Basis, It Takes Only The Grace Of God To Over Come It, Both The Holy Ghost Priest AND None Holy Ghost Priest From Time To Time Have Feelings For Sex

And Believe me

Some Of Our Sisters, Rev Sister and Mothers Of Church Do Have Sexual Feelings Towards Them

They don't just have the feelings, they have sex with themselves, a lot of it.
Some Reverend sisters are permanent girl friends to some Reverend Fathers. They get pregnant, give birth and put the kids for adoption. Most times they abort the kids.

Forget their crusade against abortions, they commit it more than the New Age believers, trust me.

Sex is very free amongst the preists and nuns.

3nim:
butterflyl1on, regarding this:



I forgot the Elephant example.

The man after God's heart, King David, was a terrible Back-slider. I would say he was the worst in the Bible, but if all sins truly were equal then that statement could be false.

King David just kept wandering farther away from the truth. Imagine you were living back then. He ended up getting another man's wife pregnant, and then "indirectly" killing that man, and then taking his wife. That was terrible.

David continued to sin, as though he had never seen God or known him.



But he had:

Pls explain more @ the bolded.

King David a terrible Backslider? And he wandered away from the truth? Pls throw more light here.

modaink333:
Ash Wednesday for the year 2018 is celebrated/ observed on Wednesday, February 14.

Ash Wednesday is always celebrated on a Wednesday seven weeks prior to Easter Sunday and the Day after Mardi Gras. For Christians, the day marks the first day of Lent and the starting of 6 weeks of fasting and penance.

Where does it say Christians shd celibrate Ash Wednesday?

It's only a weak man who tries to rise by bringing another down or trying to blame his woes on the other.


The Catholic activities are open for the world to see, it does not take the evangelismcals to point them out.

We just follow the Bible making the Catholics lies exposed.

So? Aren't Priest men? They mate too and has what it takes to get a lady pregnant. The problem is not with the Priest, it's with the lady who knows that these men are sanctified and seperated for the work of God, they'll never marry and take up families, yet open her legs and got pregnant. What was she thinking? That the Priest will remove his cassock and marry her? Stupid.

MsNgo40:
For 17 years....

We bless YHWH for His Grace and Mercy.

ifenes:
No one has had a personal encounter with Jesus, not even you. So no point asking Frobel that. I am Christ just as you also are Christ. The only encounter you can have is with the real you who is all powerful you seem not to be aware of at the moment. Religion destroys knowledge for sure.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Here is Ifenes telling me about myself. Weldon.

nicemuyoo:
True o! All by His grace and mercy

All by His Grace and Mercy. Amen.

ifenes:
You will be the next Frosbel hopefully. I don’t have to teach you but you will learn somehow that you are being deceived.

And you shall be the next Saul of Tasius in Jesus name

Ask Frosbel his personal encounter with Jesus.

Call him in lets share our conversion experiences then we will know who met with Christ before Coversion.

nicemuyoo:
That age refers to the author. Mine was 1988

Even at tha, that's great. Knowing and sustaining your faith since 1988 no be moimoi nah.

OtemAtum:
God Almighty is the creator of Allah, Yahweh, Chimides, Vishnu, Atum, Chaleb, Moloch, Enlil, Enki, etc. God Almighty is not any of the beings ever worshipped by humanity since the beginning of the world.

Does he have a name?

Alliance01:
Religion is the number one catalyst of poverty in Nigeria miracle, money, delusion of prophesy and never ending deliverance. For the record if you remove the substance of Jesus Christ and His indwelling in us through the Holy Spirit, there is no Christianity just another religion falsely branded as Christianity. A relationship with God will never be found in any religion, because religions only offer swimming lessons to people drowning in the sea of sin. And it doesn’t matter how sincere or devout you are in your religious faith and practice, because the sea of sin is eternally immense. The only hope for men and women drowning in the sea of sin is Jesus Christ. God entered human history in the person of Jesus Christ; he dove into the sea of sin in order to save desperate and drowning people. If you’ll allow him to take you there, he’ll hold you in his loving arms and bring you safely to shore. And after arriving safely to shore, then your swimming lessons begin, so that you can go back and rescue others as opposed to the case of religions where swimming lessons is been given to those that are drowning in the sea of sin. We all have that responsibility to go back to the world and rescue those that are drowning and direct them to Christ.
#IAmNotAshamedaToPreachTheGospelOfChrist

Religion is a swimming lesson to those emerged in the sea if Sin


By Alliance 01.

ifenes:
Encourage him to learn rather than stay ignorant.

Ifenes, you don't have anything to teach anyone. You are confused.

Hiswordxray:
oh, so you are a god. That must be very lonely

Pls just let him be. Don't waste your time.

Hiswordxray:
Of course you can, I would also like to know you and fellowship with you. To get my contact you can visit my blog ( hiswordxray.com ) and click on my picture at the foot of the blog. My contact would appear then we can chat on whatsapp. I am looking forward to chatting with you.

Amen.

OkCornel:
It's the same moniker sir.

As for the Bible (English versions precisely), I do not believe everything in there totally due to the various reasons:

1) The English Bible (KJV, Geneva 1599 versions) was translated from Latin and Greek scrolls which in turn were translated from Hebrew and Aramaic...in between these translations, errors were made by tired scribes. When you mix the TRUTH with a little error or lie...then what you have is deception. Bear in mind that the Bible is the perfect word of God written by imperfect men

2) Subsequent versions of the English Bible such as NIV, Message, e.t.c have further changed certain words from earlier English translations but this has watered down the TRUTH over time...for instance, if you examine the tithing controversy brewing currently...do your research, God instructed tithes to be paid in form of crop and livestock, but some Bible translations have converted these into money e.g. nickel and dimes...

3) My quest for the TRUTH is not limited to some books decided by the council of Nicaea which is now the Bible as we know it today. Only God knows if they had a sincere interest in selecting the books that made up the Bible...or whether there was a selfish interest/agenda they had to protect in connivance with the Roman government.

The major thing is to place your focus on the source (Spirit of God) for inspiration then the product (Bible) comes after that.

Where there's a contradiction between the source and the product...then there's an error or cleverly crafted lie hidden somewhere...because ideally...the source and the product must not contradict each other.

On a final note, I believe in Jesus Christ and everything He lived and died for...I prefer to addressed as a Truthseeker rather than a Christian.
That title called "Christianity" has been abused and bastardized over the years...

Let us all worship God (I do not mean God the Father alone) in Spirit and TRUTH

Ok sir. Thanks for clearifying.

DoctorAlien:
Dear sir/ma, we the Seventh-Day Adventists certainly believe in the Holy Spirit of God, "whereby we are sealed unto the day of redemption." (Eph. 4:30). This same Holy Spirit is the promised Comforter, which Jesus sent to us to comfort us, teach us all things, lead us into all truth, and bring to our remembrance all that the Word of has taught us.

We certainly believe in speaking in tongues, as it happened in Acts 2, where the early Christians, under the power of the Holy Spirit, miraculously spoke intelligible tongues that could be interpreted. We believe however that the majority of views on speaking in tongues and its purpose today is wrong.

We certainly study the Scriptures, and do not in any way neglect the Acts of the Apostles or the Pauline epistles.

Yes. We certainly love studying prophecy. That has been the duty of all the children of God, from Adam until now. "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." (Deut. 29:29). It may interest you to know that Jesus Christ Himself, speaking about the end times, directed us to go and study the book of Daniel(Matt. 24:15). The book certainly means a lot to us, as we wait for the second coming of Christ. We study it together with the book of Revelations, because the two books are connected. In the book of Revelations, the Great Controversy between good and evil sees the dragon wroth with the true church of God, and going to make war with her remnant. This remnant of the true church of God is described as keeping the commandments of God, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ(Rev. 12:17). I guess you know that we Seventh-Day Adventists keep the commandments of God, as it is contained in Exodus 20. However, do you know what the testimony of Jesus Christ is? It is the spirit of prophecy! (Rev. 19:10).

Do you now understand why the Seventh-Day Adventist Church is characterized by prophecy?

Cc: godisgood200

Thank you. I knew He was wrong about his assertions.

Reader1988:
See grammar.

lolzzzz, i wanted to type, "Do you worship there" but instead i decided to type, "Are you an Adventist?". It came out so badly.
Am sorry about this. Pls delete your post as i correct myself. Thanks for being so kind as to point it out.

OkCornel:
Very insightful my brother.

Just to add a little to the de ja vu aspect on ekklesia where Eve was called out Adam, Israel out of Egypt, Abraham out of Ur e.t.c. is an evidence to show that God Almighty works in certain patterns to manifest His awesomeness...

Would you believe that recently, myself and some christian brothers and sisters have been meeting in each others' house to break bread (eat food together) and share words of TRUTH and reality in various homes? I didn't even have the slightest idea that this was ekklesia...just like the Apostolic church of old.

When it comes to matters of the written TRUTH, the minutest and finest of details really matters...and I am careful as possible not to fall under the illusion of synonyms...

The time for restoration has come.

By the way...is a copy of Tyndale's version of the Bible readily available?

Am glad you are a Christian, but you just don't believe in Tithing. That's okay.

But, there's something else am not very comfortable with you, you said somewhere that you don't believe everything in the Bible. Am sorry if am mistaking you for another moniker.

MuttleyLaff:
But if I tarry long,
that thou may know how it is expedient to behave thyself in the house of God,
which is the congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} of the living God,
the pillar and base of the truth.
- 1 Timothy 3:15 Jubilee Bible 2000

For all it's worth, it's necessary and important to be familiar with this word "church"
because as we start to read about or know things done in the past,
we can begin to learn from them, learn a thing or two, would have become wiser and wise enough to make re-adjustments, where if applicable, to our theology

To start with and as a matter of fact, "ekklesia" is the proper and correct noun word for believers called out and/or gathering together, which the word "church", as it is, presently or currently represents.

"Ekklesia" actually, is a Greek word,
which in Athens and in most Greek poleis (i.e. Greek cities or states) means an assembly of demo
(i.e. yes, demo, is Greek for people, as like the demo in democracy)

"Ekklesia" is an assembly of summoned free people or gathering of those summoned.
The word is derived from “ekkletos” meaning summoned and “ekkaleom” meaning to summon or call out.

"Ekklesia" in Strong's Greek Concordance, is defined as "an assembly, congregation, the whole body of Christian believers"
and says it’s formed from a compound of "ek" which means "out of or out from and to" and a derivative of "kaleo" which means "to call or a calling"

"Ekkletoi" refers to the called-out inhabitants or citizens of Athens or any of the Greek poleis, assembled together, as a result of a call out request done by a herald, announcer or town crier.

"Ekklesia" appears 114 times in the NT.
It first appeared in Matthew 16:18,
and that's where it was first mentioned and first used by none other than Jesus
Now here's a sense of biblical déjà vu repeating itself , Eve out of Adam, Israelites out of Egypt etc
and this is, God, again, in the person of Jesus Christ doing a "call out from... and to assembly"

"Ekklesia" as far back in the Old Testament wilderness, has always been an assembly or congregation of called-out people
(i.e. Acts 7:38 is referring to the congregation in Deuteronomy 9:10)
and it's no different in the original Greek New Testament whether in non-secular and secular capacities
(i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 7:38 non-secular and Acts 19:32, 39 and 41 for secular)
Notice in Acts 19:32, 39 and 41, that "ekklesia" is used three times, for people not connected with religious or christian matters, assembling or gathering together.

This so far, is showing that, "ekklesia" represents something totally different to what we've commonly perceived what "church" is.

Also, the true meaning, import or connotation of "ekklesia" is lost or eroded when it is used or translated to/as "church"

"Ekklesia" isn't about physical structures, and the Greeks; originators of the word, never referred it, to be a building or place of worship, so at least Freeze got something right

At this juncture, some might say, all this etymology stuff is bunkum and time wasting, it's nitpicking over minute details, and that it's pedantic fault-finding or say church or ekklesia, whatever the noun used, it doesn't matter.
Others like damosky12, delighting in their ignorance(s), could say, church or ekklesia, it makes no difference,
it's much ado about nothing and so what's the big deal.

Well, FYI, in 1526 AD, William Tyndale's New Testament, was the first New Testament printed in the English Language
and the fact about this translation, is that, not a single occurrence of the word "church" is found used for congregation in it.

William Tyndale did however, use the word "church" twice in Acts 14:13 and Acts 19:37 for something else.
It was in reference to pagan Temples; "ekklesia" wasn't used in either of those verses mentioned.

Then Iupiters Preste which dwelt before their cite brought oxe and garlondes vnto the churche porche and wolde have done sacrifise with the people
- Acts 14:13 William Tyndale.

Zeus' temple was at the entrance to the city. The priest of the god Zeus brought bulls with flowery wreaths around their necks to the temple gates. The priest and the crowd wanted to offer a sacrifice [to Paul and Barnabas].
- Acts 14:13 GOD'S WORD® Translation.

For you have brought here these men, who are neither robbers of temples, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess.
- Acts 19:37 King James 2000 Bible

For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes.
- Acts 19:37 William Tyndale.

Tyndale recognised, "ecclesia or ekklesia" to be congregacion or congregation of "called out people" who are believers
and that churches were buildings for religious practices or purposes, and this includes Jewish or pagan temples.

So, in this first English New Testament translation print, congregation originally was in the place where "church" is presently or currently found in most English translations.

In the beginning, building(s) was what "church" was original identified as,
but now, it's obvious and no denying that, "church" is prevalently also called or known as the body of Christ.
Examples of other churches, we have, as of today are:
The Church of Scientology, Church of Wicca, The National Church of Bey (i.e. Beyonce), Church of Satan,
The Sunday Assembly (i.e. an atheist church), The Church of Humanity etcetera.

1557 AD was the first time "ekklesia" was translated as "church" by William Whittingham in the Geneva New Testament produced, subsequent bible translations, KJV included, began having "church" used to describe people and their place of congregation or place of meetings too
From then to the present, the norm now is, "church" erroneously is the physical structure and people assembling together
Examples of this error and where are: Matthew 16:18, Acts 14:23, James 5:14

In the NT, we are used to knowing synagogue also to be an equivalent name of the building used for assembling in or congregating in, but the Greek word "sunagogé" means "coming together" and could imply a meeting (i.e. gathering together) rather than a building (i.e. Acts 13:43, James 2:2);
so synagogues were simply gatherings that took place outdoors or in people’s houses or courtyards
(i.e. refer to 2 Thessalonians 2:1 or Hebrews 10:25 Greek Text Analysis for more details)
TB Joshua’s set-up, calls itself synagogue,
but then for good measure, appends the word "church", making it: The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (i.e. SCOAN)

The English word "church" on it's self, actually has pagan origins.
It's a derivation from the Old English word cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to the Anglo Saxon circay, kirk in Scottish, the Latin circus/circulous, Dutch kerk, or German Kirche.
These words all have associations with "gathering in circles"
and researches showed that most pagan religions meetings have worshippers/attendees gathered together round in prayer circles.

This information gives some insight into Tyndales' understanding
and the reason why Tyndale selected the word "Church" to refer to buildings; pagan temple(s) included
and consciously using congregacion (i.e. congregation) to mean "ekklesia"

Why was a totally unrelated word to ekklesia, substituted for ekklesia? (i.e. like in Job 14:4)

As so far noticed, the word "Church" has varied origins and different meanings to what we're accustomed to,
but the word in Latin for ekklesia is also ekklesia,
so, if Latin in the absence of a proper word, managed to retain the word ekklesia,
why couldn't the "called out ones" who translated, retain it too?

In light of all these information, why the word "church", is falsely used in place of Christ's ekklesia leaves one literally open-mouthed
No doubt, there are strong indications of foul-play somewhere down the history lanes of church,
as "church" DOESN'T COME from the original Koine Greek word ekklesia.

Wow. I have to really settle down to dihest all these info.

And, the bolded, those are certainly not subject to Christ, Is it safe to say, they gatherings are Churches but not Ekklesia?

There's so much into these things.

Hiswordxray:
That great, I would share with you an experience I had.

At the time when I was getting closer and closer to God He revealed in my spirit the glory of the victorious the Church. It was the most beautiful and glorious thing thing I have ever seen and I was so excited because I have found the solution to every problem in the world. I knew that if the Church enter into the level of glory then all the problem of the world is solve. I knew that God was bringing the Church to this glory and victory. And I couldn't contain my excitement, I was going around telling people that something wonderful is about to happen, I told them that very soon everything is going to be alright (all problem would be solved).

I didn't know what exactly was going to happen and I didn't know when it would happen but I thought it was going to be very very soon. And then God showed me the state of the Church as it is right now. I was so full of grief that I thought it would be impossible for God to bring her to the level of glory and victory that I saw in the first experience. I found myself weeping and groaning for the Church, crying for a revival. Then after a while the Spirit took over and I found myself pushing and travailing in birth pain. For two weeks I couldn't pray in tongues. Whenever I try I just kept pushing and travailing in birth pain. The Holy Spirit told me it was for the Church and He gave no further information until one day... I was in the gathering of the brethren praying and God spoke these words to me, "she travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." (Rev 12:2). And then the revelation came to me.
The time has come for delivery, a baby boy would be born. The Church right now is entering into labor pain. The pain shall be so great that Christians would fear for her death. They would blame it all on the unborn baby. They would hate the baby and what him death. "Alas the baby have brought his mother to her death", this shall be their cry. But no, the baby would be born and he shall cloth the mother with glory - yes that glory kept for her before the foundation of the would. Indeed, a new breed is raising, a male child. They shall break free from the traditions, religion and the doctrines of men and they shall bring restoration...
http://www.hiswordxray.com/search?q=vision+&m=1

God is going to transform Christianity, Christianity is going to be redefined. There is going to be a revolution, the old system would crumble and out of the ashes shall rise a new wine skin. For years I have been trying to see how this new wine skin would be and God has shown me a lot. Our fathers have failed but we would do Church the right way. In my blog I have been putting together the things that God has been showing me. I would share with you a link to something I feel is the basic to understanding Church as it ought to be.

http://www.hiswordxray.com/search?q=Fellowship&m=1

Did you write those articles? Oh dear, i love them.

Hiswordxray:
That great, I would share with you an experience I had.

At the time when I was getting closer and closer to God He revealed in my spirit the glory of the victorious the Church. It was the most beautiful and glorious thing thing I have ever seen and I was so excited because I have found the solution to every problem in the world. I knew that if the Church enter into the level of glory then all the problem of the world is solve. I knew that God was bringing the Church to this glory and victory. And I couldn't contain my excitement, I was going around telling people that something wonderful is about to happen, I told them that very soon everything is going to be alright (all problem would be solved).

I didn't know what exactly was going to happen and I didn't know when it would happen but I thought it was going to be very very soon. And then God showed me the state of the Church as it is right now. I was so full of grief that I thought it would be impossible for God to bring her to the level of glory and victory that I saw in the first experience. I found myself weeping and groaning for the Church, crying for a revival. Then after a while the Spirit took over and I found myself pushing and travailing in birth pain. For two weeks I couldn't pray in tongues. Whenever I try I just kept pushing and travailing in birth pain. The Holy Spirit told me it was for the Church and He gave no further information until one day... I was in the gathering of the brethren praying and God spoke these words to me, "she travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." (Rev 12:2). And then the revelation came to me.
The time has come for delivery, a baby boy would be born. The Church right now is entering into labor pain. The pain shall be so great that Christians would fear for her death. They would blame it all on the unborn baby. They would hate the baby and what him death. "Alas the baby have brought his mother to her death", this shall be their cry. But no, the baby would be born and he shall cloth the mother with glory - yes that glory kept for her before the foundation of the would. Indeed, a new breed is raising, a male child. They shall break free from the traditions, religion and the doctrines of men and they shall bring restoration...
http://www.hiswordxray.com/search?q=vision+&m=1

God is going to transform Christianity, Christianity is going to be redefined. There is going to be a revolution, the old system would crumble and out of the ashes shall rise a new wine skin. For years I have been trying to see how this new wine skin would be and God has shown me a lot. Our fathers have failed but we would do Church the right way. In my blog I have been putting together the things that God has been showing me. I would share with you a link to something I feel is the basic to understanding Church as it ought to be.

http://www.hiswordxray.com/search?q=Fellowship&m=1

Can i PM you? I am someone you can call 'A hungry soul'. I need more of God. I can't get filled. Pls reply me if i PM.

nicemuyoo:
The Origin of the Word "church" (updated)
By Andy Zoppelt

Part 1: The Word that Changed the World
 

Language and its use of words is vital, it is the fundamental means in which we use to conveying and pass information from one person to another. The changing of one word can literally change the world. Therefore, translators are given an extreme responsibility in making sure they get it right, especially key words. When Jesus said, “Upon this rock I will build my ekklesia.” (Mat 16:18) The Greek word there is ekklesia and is pronounced ek-klay-see-ah. The translators purposely and knowingly used a word identifying a building to support a clergy rather than a word that would build us together as the body of Christ in unity establishing the kingdom of God in every city. Jesus did not and would not have said, "upon the rock I will build my church." The word “church” represents the complete opposite of building His kingdom on this earth as it is in heaven. Jesus would rather have said, "Upon this rock I will build my called out assembly"....a people called out of this world by faith in Him, assembling and gathering in one name and for one purpose all being one. 
Our word “Church” is one of those words that has impacted the world and has subverted the whole purpose for which it was intended. Because the translators used the word “church,” meaning a building, instead of a more accurate word reflecting a functioning body, it has affected our whole approach to the meaning of the body of Christ. We have been given a word from the translators that has nothing to do with the original Greek word ekklesia. There is not a single Greek word to back up the word church. So why is it there?

The early assembly of believers did not have a clergy distinct from the rest of the body. Clergy with titles and authority was foreign to the early disciples. It was the rise of this authoritarian clergy that needed a building to control the people both religiously and politically and to gather the people around the clergy. The Catholic Church and the Church of England both used the word “church” and its meaning as a building to hold the people in subjection to their control. Without a building the clergy would have lost their power over the people. Even today, without a building the clergy system would fall. This system of clergy/laity and the use of a building is what we have come to know as the “institutional” church system. This system was totally foreign to the vocabulary and the life of the disciples of Jesus, who built and depended on the move of the Holy Spirit through all the saints being built together. Therefore the retaining of the word "church" in our translations of the bible became crucial for the survival of the institutional church system even to this day.


To change the true meaning and function of the Greek word “ekklesia” to our English word “church” strengthened the clergy system and their power over the people. The statement, “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” has been the downfall and corruption of body ministry. The original intent was relational and not institutional. For in all the writings of the first and second century we do not find an “institutional” treatment of "ekklesia."

The new Webster’s international dictionary, 1909 edition, gives this definition of the word: 
“Church (church), n. [ME. chirche, fr. AS. circe, fr. Gr. kyriakon the Lord's house, fr. kyriakos concerning a master or lord, fr. kyrios master, lord, fr. kyros power, authority; akin to Skr. gram mighty , bold Olr. caur, cur, hero. Cf. KIRK.] 1. A building set apart for public worship, esp… 2. A place of worship of any religion, as, formerly, a Jewish or pagan temple or a mosque. Acts six. 37.”

There were pagans using the word “church” long before Christians ever began using it. The word church goes back to the Greek kuriakê oikia, which means “the house belong to the lord” or “the Lord’s house”. kuriakon (koo-ree-ak-on') means “belonging to the Lord” and oikos (oy’- kos) meaning “house.” So if the pagans used kuriakê oikia refering to a building belonging to the Lord, what lord were they referring to? The “Lord’s house (kuriakê oikia) was used in the 4th century and clearly was not referring to the Lord Jesus, but rather to the Lord Mithra the “sun-god”; the son god was a famous god among the pagans but with many different names. It was Constantine, who worshipped Mithra as his god and he converted the Mithra god into the Christian house or church. He was the one that transformed the called out assembly into a church recognized by a building and he then set his clergy in charge of the house…as we still see today with our pastors etc.. It all worked out quite nicely for him because he now had both the church and the state under his control.

The tie between the church and state had wielded so much power in history that the framers of our constitution would not permit any church to control our government. The first Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." 
The framers of our constitution indeed understood the power of such a tie. But what we have today is a bunch of buildings called church with each pastor having his own kingdom separated from the others in the city… they guard that position and place with their lives. Our assemblies were never to be separated within the city…it was clearly one called out assembly in each city as we see in scripture. Kingdoms are made up of cities within the kingdom and that is what we see in scriptures with the assemblies in the city. The called out assemblies jointly made up the kingdom of God with one King. It was the assembly at Ephesus, the assembly at Corinth and the assembly at Philadelphia, etc.. There was not a bunch of churches ruled by pastors and elders in each city, that would constitute a division within the body of Christ and nullify His rule over the city assemblies…truly a gross injustice and sin.

Tyndale created problems early on in his translation of the scriptures into English. Tyndale, a man who was martyred for his bible,  used the word "church" (churche) only twice, in Acts 14:13 and 19:37; and in both cases he understandingly understood church as a building connected to idol-worship:

Here are the places he used the word church, it is in old English: 
Acts 14:13,Then Iupiters Preste which dwelt before their cite brought oxe and garlondes vnto the churche porche and wolde have done sacrifise with the people. 
Now here is an updating version of his translation to present: 
Acts 14:13, “Then Jupiter’s Priest which dwelt before their city brought oxen and garlands into the church [pagan house of worship] porch and would have done sacrifice with the people.”

Here is the other verse in which he used the word church 
Acts 19:37 “For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches [pagan houses of worship] nor yet despisers of youre goddes.” 
Updating Acts 19:37-38, “For you have brought these men to me which are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of your goddess.” The reference is to the temple and goddess of Diana of the Ephesians.


Clearly Tyndale understood that the word church represented a pagan house of worship and translated it as thus. He lived much closer to the understanding of the word church than we. His translation was not something that the clergy-driven churches wanted to be known to the many ignorant people of that day who didn’t have bibles in English. That excuse of the availability of the scriptures need not go on today; we have bible programs that go directly to the Greek. Biblesoft has an excellent program that we can switch from the English to the Greek, there may be others but I don’t know of them, but my point is made. 

Greek kuriakê oikia ("house of the lord" relates to many different languages: Icelandic kirkja; Swedish kyrka; Norwegian and Danish kirke; German Kirche; Dutch kerk, Estonian kirik, Finnish kirkko and Old English cirice → Middle English chirche → today’s English church.

“CHURCH: From the Greek kuriakee, "house of the Lord," a word which passed to the Gothic tongue; the Goths being the first of the northern hordes converted to Christianity, adopted the word from the Greek Christians of Constantinople, and so it came to us Anglo-Saxons (Trench, Study of Words). But Lipsius, from circus, from whence kirk, a circle, because the oldest temples, as the Druid ones, were circular in form.” (Fausset's Bible Dictionary)

A building would more serve the purpose of a religious group with a built-in hierarchy than an organic body of believers ministering and loving one another. Christians originally didn’t build buildings for some kind of service as we see today, they were clearly distinguished from the pagans whose focus was on buildings, statues, ritual and physical objects. From its earliest usage, the word “church” has been understood in pagan traditions, then later in Roman Catholicism and now in this present day as a building, but never has the word “church” been demonstrated or justified from a biblical stand point to represent the Greek word ekklesia. Church was a pagan concept and not a Christian one.

When I gave my life to Jesus in 1964, I was falsely led to believe that the activities of the “church” were biblical and an essential part of my being a Christian. As a hungry man for God I just couldn’t understand how sitting in a pew or chair and listening to some person preach from the bible could change my life… especially when the bible spoke overwhelmingly of my relationship with the members and not a pastor. I wanted to experience life, not just hearing about it.

Many say, “We know the church is the building.” Do we? Do we act like it? No, of course not. We go to church rather than each individual functioning as members of an assembly. We ask people what church they go to. When we take up a collection for the church the money goes to the building...something of no eternal value. Each building has its own pastor, its own name and its own congregation. Then what is even more amazing is that we will often quote Hebrews 10:25 for the one missing the church service. But let’s see if this verse matches our typical church service,

“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.”

First, they were an assembly that had purpose; much like the assembly line of an automobile factory where the various parts come together to make the car. Each part had a function within the whole body, a person absent is a part missing. 
This verse does not look much like a church service but rather an environment

You gave your life to Christ in 1964? And you are till firm ? Wow. God bless you sir.

PoisonedOne:
hmm. So you believe the world will end with something like fire and brimstone falling from heaven? . Anyway, I don't know and no one knows how these things will happen . Are you a member?

Does that mean you don't believe What YHWH said in His Word the Bible? because it's all written there?

The Bible said, Jesus will be born by a virgin, He was born by a Virgin.

The Bible said, He will be killed, by being betrayed and sold for 30 pieces of Silver, it was so. The Bible said after three days He will resurrected, He resurrected.

Now the Bible said, Jesus will return, you doubt it?

Bros, Jesus will return. Just as many of the Jews, especially the elit forgot about it, so also the elit of the world now will forget and doubt his coming, but He will Come back.

When He came back, it was Poor Shepherds that Angels announced his birth to, so also it shall be. His coming shall be unexpecred. The rich and famous, the elit who believe they are too enlightened to believe such nonsesen shall be confused and bewildered.

It will be very unfortunate to just sit and resign yourself to 'No one knows how these things will happen'. We know how these things will happen, for we have the manual where all these things are written.

MsNgo40:
Brother/sister,
It appears as if you have had a bad experience with an Adventist and for that (if that was the case), my apologies to you.
But it's very unfair to paint the denomination with one long broad stroke.
I think you should look at it this way:
Ideally, God would have a couple to be on one accord in certain areas...cause that makes for a peaceful home...without any opposing or destructive forces that need not exist.
Where husband, wife and children agree on certain core issues. Basically being equally-yoked...about the foundational issues.
It is no different than a Pentacostals wanting to marry Pentacostals or Catholics wanting to marry Catholics or Baptists wanting to marry Baptists.
There are some popular churches named here on this website who ideally want their members to marry within their denomination. But I don't think it's about exclusion of other people....
We could look at Religions and look at how majority Muslims would only want to marry a Muslim...or Christian a Christian.
It isn't about "discriminating or frowning on another group of people".
It's about having common ideologies and beliefs. Those beliefs are Biblically-based as well.
However, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has about 50 percent of its members who either:
1). Eat (clean) meat or Don't eat meat at all
2). Wear jewelry and make-up or Don't wear jewelry or make-up
3). Wear pants or Don't wear pants
4). Live in the country or live in the city
5). Some celebrate the holidays and some don't

I could name more...and ideally it would be nice to have the whole denomination be on one accord about things...but human beings always have a CHOICE about things. It can work or it can not work...but people have the choice on what they would like to do.
Many members marry other denominations (and then the spouse converts...or does not convert)....(not sure about the stats on the success rate though). But these situations happen.
Ultimately, it comes down to a personal decision...which the two involved have to deal with.
Have a Happy New Year!

Convert? Convert to Church or to Christ? because am converted to Christ if i marry an adventist, what will i be converting to again? Or, maybe yoy mean begin worshipping with them?

MsNgo40:
Absolutely!

Are you an Adventist?

Md4great:
They don't believe in holy spirit and speaking in Togues

They don't study scriptures most especially the Acts of Apostle and other book written by Apostle Paul..

They enjoy reading book of Revelation , and part of Daniel vision...

Are you sure about this? No, i doubt this.

DoctorAlien, biko bìà ēbá Someone is saying something strange. Is it true you guys don't believe in the Holy Ghost and shuns Apostle Paul's teachings?

correctguy101:
Ain't they the same people who make use of Mormon Bible by an Adams Smith? or am I mixing things up?

I already made contact with them to attend their meetings. If I'm not mistaken, they have strong similarities with Jehovah's witnesses.

I need to visit them and this amorc and Eck people. I want to associate with them all. If there's an Hindu temple in Nigeria, I would go there too. Already visited a friend who's an Oluwò of Yoruba traditional beliefs, but he never allowed me enter or see his stronghold.

No sir. Dat na LDS. "Church of Jesus Christ of the Later Day Saints."
LDS don't worship on sartuday (maybe wrong tho). And their leader is Joseph Smith, not Adam Smith.

ritanduka:
I also noted dey don't cook with crayfish and dont eat cat fish........have a coz dat married one and when i visited no sight of crayfish in the house but her huby loves ofe akwu(banga stew). now tell me how wil i cook ofe akwu the anambra way with out crayfish and surprisely he ate and lick plate

In other words, you used Crayfish to cook?

OtemAtum:
Atum will not be worshipped in the future. Did I ever say that he would be worshipped? Humans will come to like Atum because he is among the gods of science who wants humanity to stop worship but to start using their brains. Atum is a male, hence the word 'he'. Note that Atum is not God Almighty, he is just a being like Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Odin, Chimides, Olorun, Orunmila, Eshu, Chukwu, etc. All of them together are the children of God Almighty.

Who then is God Almighty?