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EVarn:
[quote author=EVarn post=65650686]Jesus kept the company of Zacchius, he kept the company of Mary Madgalene, who he encountered as a renown harlot. Jesus took Matthew, a tax collector(who were known to be very corrupt in those days), as a disciple.

Hmmm, All the names you mentioned were or became disciples. They repented of the former ways. They didn't stand and insult him while they kept each others comapy.

And, you call Mary Magdalene a renown prostitute, you are very wrong, for a prostitutes never marries to be caught in adultery. It takes a married woman to commit adultry, not a prostitute. Mary Magdalene was never a prostitute.

Zacchius repented and pledge to refund everything he had taken by fraud 4 times double. That sir is repentance. Matthew became an Apsotles.

Pls mention the names of those who plotted to kill Jesus at every stop, those who bore false witness against Him whom He kept their company.

EVarn:
He promised a hanged thief paradise at Golgotha. He healed the children and servants of Roman pagans. He even had a cordial debate with Nicodemus, a great scholar in the sanhedrin council, the same sanhedrin that sought his arrest.

Why didn't He promise the other thief? Could it be because the other thief relented and asked for pardon?

And how many of those Roman pagan did He fratanize with after the healings?

As i remember Nicodemus went to Him, not Him to Nicodemus. And he became a disciple. He helped buried Jesus.

EVarn:
So if you want to justify your bigotry, don't use jesus, he just doesn't fit into your petulant narrative.

Friend, i think you shd understand your scriptures before you call someone names.

The Op said, he gave a twist to the discussion which he had with people who knew him personally about Jesus. What we shd ask him is, 'What exactly did you say? How did you twist things?

If what you people say about Jesus here and how you people insult The Master in a faceless forum is taken to facebook in the midst of those who know you from home, then you shd'nt expect anything less.

To tell you the truth, if you are my friend but have a nag at calling my fathet names, i won't keep your company. Call me whatever you like. If you don't have a problem your friends calling your dad a thief and a drunk, then that's you

EVarn:
PS: Jesus said "love your enemies", how can you love your enemies and still shy away from their company?, that makes no sense.

And He also said Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psalm:1:1
He said Come out from amongst them and be sepaerate, do not touch what they touch

For

Bad association corrupts good manners.


Love them, is not the same thing as keep their company, for you loving them does not mean they'll love you back. You are sheep amongst them (Ravenning wolves). See how atheists hate Christians here. Some can poison me for just being a Christian. See boko haram bombing people. But love them, if i see them hungry, i will give them my last meal.

budaatum:
My good friend. The stories about Jesus are replete with him spending time with those whom he was not supposed or expected to spend time with (Tax collectors, prostitutes, Samaritans, Gentiles, and so on).

Wow, i have gone to school from childhood till today. I have had teachers and instructors, i don't even remeber some of their names, yet you are here implying that because those teachers/lecturers and instructions, came to my class and taught me, they kept my company. Do i have any dealings with them outside the class rooms? No.

Can we pls understand 'Keeping company or association' within its context here? Making friends and confiding in each other is the context here pls.
What was Jesus doing in the midst of these people you mentioned? Teaching them because He was a teacher or pallying with them becos they buddies? The only friend i knew Jesus to have was Lazarus of Battany. Was Lazarus tax collector or were his sisters prostitutes?

budaatum:
"Love one another", the words read, and not, "Only those who believe as one does". It is specifically the lesson of the Parable of the Good Samaritan.

I agree with you o, sir. Here i am having this discussion with you. I love hence am telling you about the Kingdom of God which, if you believe and do what it says, you'd be saved, this is love.
I can never see a boko haram man who is sick and needs help and i pass him by, i will never see a hungry man and I have food or can ask someone who have to give to him, but refuse to do it. This is love. Sir, because i can do all these doesnt mean these people becomes my buddies whom we share our personal thoughts.

I have a duty to help and relief their pains and needs, but if they ungodly and unreasonable men. If these are men who can be eating the food yet maligning my God at the same time, sir. My duty stops at providing their needs. No buddying up.

They can enter my bedroom and have hearts to hearts chats with me. You get me now?

budaatum:
You do know that they, Samaritans, were going straight to hell according to the understanding of the Jews of his day, and Gentiles never stood a chance in a million years and some, nor did tax collectors?

The Jews do not determine who goes to hell or heaven. The Lord Jesus does. And he said, 'Whosoever calls on the Name of the Lord, shall be saved'. He said whosoever. Whosoever means, any and everyone, regardless of race or colour. That is why you African Christians, Chinese, Japanese, American, Arab, Jewish, and Spanish Christians. Every race is welcomed.

But, any human with a soul who rejects the Life that Christ is here to give, will go straight to hell when he dies. It has nothing to do with whether or not you are a Jew of Samarithan.

The requirement any one needs is the Nature or Life that Christ offers, this is the only guarantee you need to access the presence of God, you don't have it, you are out. Dress code kind of thing.

budaatum:
From my reading, he set extremely high standards and demands on those who would know of him and wasn't one to turn his back on people who do not believe as he did. He would not be a hypocrite who condemns others for what he himself would do. You, however, may understand as you wish.

G.N.T. Luke 11:14-15
Jesus and Beelzebul Jesus was driving out a demon that could not talk; and when the demon went out, the man began to talk.

The crowds were amazed, but some of the people said, “It is Beelzebul, the chief of the demons, who gives him the power to drive them out.”

I believe that you know that for a demon to work through a man, he must possess that man? Jesus just cast one of such demons out of someone in that verse.

If Jesus was accused of having Beelzebub in him which helps him cast ouy demons, what will you call that? Haven't they called Him Beelzebub?

budaatum:
From my reading, he set extremely high standards and demands on those who would know of him and wasn't one to turn his back on people who do not believe as he did. He would not be a hypocrite who condemns others for what he himself would do. You, however, may understand as you wish.

Yes indeed, The Master set very high standards for us His followers to follow, that is why we are studying what He did so as to also do.

Sir, the Master gave, and gave until He gave His all, His life for the World. But, he never took into confidence those who hated him.

John 2:23-25
While Jesus was in Jerusalem during the Passover Festival, many believed in him as they saw the miracles he performed.
But Jesus did not trust himself to them, because he knew them all.

There was no need for anyone to tell him about them, because he himself knew what was in their hearts.

budaatum:
And note please, I have never said I, "know Scripture"!

Ah, but na weytin you dey do here since nau. If younknow sabi Scriptures you for no dey here.

Anyways, weldone.

budaatum:
Did anyone call him beelzebub? Did he not say love those who hate you?

Ah, this Oga na wao? You just dey wriggle around. Answer the question already. E no hard.

The Master says, ' Love your enemies, He did. But does love your enemies means keep their company?


And, i thought you knew scriptures, how did you not know He was called a Beelzebub?

Redhot111:
Keep quiet this morning. Whoever told you that giving is wrong? Giving indeed is right but that mandatory giving of a certain percentage of ALL ur income is fraud. Besides hw does giving to oyedepo automatically translate to giving to God?abi na him be God now? Well Jesus whatever I do to the LEAST of these brethren, is what I actually do to him. So I go they give to the less privilege, downtrodden etc cos Dat is when I actually will be considered as giving to God.

It's obvious you don't pay it, why are you pained?

CHARLOE:
You're just an ignorant, insolent kid. u don't no me from Adam yet c all d insult you're spewing from that gutter u call mouth! Continue dreaming in ur fools paradise, reality will surely wake u up with a dirty slap 1 day.

Insolence? Insult? How did i insult you?

Seun:
If your acting skills are top-notch, you can pull a Saul of Tarsus and "give your life to Christ" again. "Repent of your arrogance". It could be fun.

Alternatively, you can compensate for your "evilness" by being super extra nice and helpful to people, forcing them to see that you're not Satan.

Is that what you do?

Hypocrites, they give out but when given back they sit and weep.

budaatum:
Atheists don't call you Beelzebub.

Pls answer me, you implied that Cbristians don't follow the teachings of Jesus, so i ask you again, did Jesus keep the company of those who called Him Beelzebub because He loved them?

budaatum:
If only they accepted Christ into their hearts, souls and life, they would just love their neighbour. But since they could see into his atheistic heart, "he should move ni! We don't want neighbours with minds and dispositions like his!" Such is the mind of the people of this world.

And the Bible says
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psalm:1:1

Can you imagin how scornful atheists can be?

'Come out from amongst them and be ye separate' 11Cor 6:17
Shd i keep their to show i love them? No.

2Cor 15:33
Evil (ungodly)association, corrupts good manners

Shd i corrupt the manners am trying to built because of an ungodly scornful atheist?

Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Philippians:3:2

Did Jesus keep the company of those who called him Beelzebub? No. Shd i? No.

CoolUsername:
They're offering peace and love but shun those who disagree with them?

I think what he is getting from those folks is as a result of what he said about God on facebook.

Will you keep my company if i iinsult your dad to your face because i want peace? I think for there to be peace, i'd have to keep you at arm's length.


No one smiles when his/her parents are being called names to their faces, except they are imbeciles.

I for one, won't. Even if you are feeding me, i will rather beg to survive than stay and take that from you.

He shd enjoy his choice.

keenn:
reversing the hands of time would be my greatest help for now, if that were possible.

I reside in an academic community somewhere in the east, my journey through the atheistic part has been quite interesting though challenging...having to fine tune core upbringing believe systems to what I am now.

to keep body and soul together, I help around with handy jobs in my small academic community, and with my intrigue personality it wasn't hard to become popular

an interesting conversation was on on one of the whatsapp group I belonged to on this very quiet and boring day about religion and God's plan for man, redemption, salvation, deliverance.... and I decided to join and gave quite a twist to the whole discussion. oh my! and all attention was faced on me.

immediately I was getting personal messages, it became so overwhelming that I had to ignore some.

the next day, I was like a walking ghost, some of my greetings were not returned, side talks when I pass and some offered to even pray to deliver me.

business/survival hasn't been the same.

I will one day leave this community, and then we will do all what they do, I want acceptance too, I need to survive.

disclosing your identity in an environment that is deeply entagled with religious dogma brings nothing but loss to us, no one is rewarding us to confess.

Sorry. But it's a choice you have made. It's torable here sef, when you die,na you and fire.

CHARLOE:
I pity u, keep decieving urself wit imaginary 'kingdom financial principles", or eye go soon clear. We're in same kingdom (Nigeria), anything that happens in this kingdom (inflation, fuel scarcity, promotion etc) affects all of us, Stop dreaming, wake up!

Hahahahahahaha. You are the one will need to wakeup from your slumber and talk about why with all your hardwork, you still resort to dubious means to make it in life.

All you have mentioned will happen, but i will be prepared, but you will not. How many believers did you hear committed suicide since your kingdom began it's downward fall?

When others are saying there's a casting down, i say there's a lifting up, you know why? My God is the Lord of all the earth, He is the governor of all nations. He is the great provider and He is my father. My ecnomy is not of this world.

I give, and He supplies back. You don't but steals, beg, do sacrifice to get from you master the devil.

With Buhari, i still give,pay my tithe, yet still full.

legislatively:
shut up, we are fighting pastorprenuership, not giving

Lolzzzz. Jealosy. What your father could not do.

CHARLOE:
The way to financial breakthrough is hardwork/working smart n not any giving/sowing, mumu! no wonder we're not moving forward as a nation, instead of d youth engaging in enterprise/research, they're carrying out fasting n prayer, seed sowing, holed up in prayer meetings,
I repeat, Financial Breakthrough comes thru Hardwork/enterprise n not giving/prayer!

Shouldn't you talk about what obtains in your kingsom and allow me talk about mine?

Our kingsoms are opposed to each other, what you can do and get applauded for, i do and be a transgressor or the law.

My kingdom is not against hardwork. As a matter of fact the Bible enjoins hardwork more than yours, because in your kingdom there are no rules. You can steal, cheat, give bribe, lie, be fraudulent etc, but in my kingdom, you do these you are out. It is pure, clean hardwork, but to break through, you give.

In your kingdom, to have you gather, in my kingdom to have more you scatter by giving away to those who can't give back to you.


The race is not to the swift...

And, it is not he that runneth or willeth, it is the Lord that shows mercy, but what if you think you don't need the Lords grace and mercy?

No wonder hard working men go into satanic convenants to make and sustain riches even with all their hardwork.

Do your own and let me do mine, because, trust me, if you as a hardworker without God, is placed side by side me who works hard too but depends on God (giving), you won't come close. You'd resort to dubious means.

Emmanystone:
I was having this chat with some friends about Sex in marriage. They were of the opinion that sex is completely Carnal. One said, the only Holy thing in Sex is because it was ordained and instituted by God. But, the act of it is Carnal.

I totally disagreed, saying everything about sex is Holy. A very deep ordinance that goes far beyond man. I said, sex is worship. When a man and his wife are engage in sex, God sees them just the way He sees them at the alter worshipping Him.

One asked me a question which threw me off. I tried to wriggle myself out of it, i couldn't

This is the question she asked, 'If Sex in marriage is not carnal (pls bare in mind that Carnality is anything done outside the dictates of God), Why did God command that a man should not have sex with his wife during Fasting and Prayer?

Have you, as a Christian ever wondered why the Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul said we should abstain from sex during fasting and prayer?

Pls contribute your thoughts.

I guess not.

budaatum:
Repent? Or Believe? There is a clear difference.

To the first, I'll only sin again so why bother. Besides, why waste the blood of Christ shed to continuously wash my sins away?

To the second, I quote Alice. "There's no use trying," she said: "one can't believe impossible things."

Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll

Ok. At least i tried but you love sin more.

budaatum:
I have had 2 near death experiences myself, one which involved me drinking all the water in the ocean at Bar Beach. So I can at least claim to know something about them. And no, neither occasion made me convert from my previously held atheism.

Really? Thank God you didn't die o. At least i now have a chance to point you to Jesus.


Now, Buda, Repent for the Kingdom of God is here now

Emmanystone:
So, What happened? Did you step outside of yourself?
What did you see?

I have had one myself. I think mine was 'Out Of Body Experience', not Near Dead.

I went for a 6 hours (bone Transplant or grafting) surgery. I was told later that i regained conciousness while still on the table, so more Anaesthesia was pumped into me, i went down and went out.

I was brought out of the theater awaiting my coming to, but i didn't. The reaident doctor came for the Post.Op check only to find me still down, that was when he discovered i was out, but the Nurse by me didn't even know it.

I saw myself outside a sphere-like dome. Inside the dome where my folks and the medical team fighting to revive me. I saw everything they did and heard everthing they said. I heard the prayers my folks where praying outside the ward. I was seeing everything at once.

I heard the Doctor said to the Nurse, 'Is this how you'd have sat here and we loose her?'. I saw the Nurse crying. I saw her run to the Theatre to get an oxygen tank as the doctor instructed.

They were calling me, i heard them. I was there, but at the seem time very far from them. I answered very loudly for them to know i could hear them, they for n't need to shout, but they couldn't hear me.

I wanted to get back into the dome, but i couldn't. There was no enterance, no windows. I didn't know how i got out. My folks where crying and i needed to let them know I was fine. I felt very helpless seeing and hearing them, but they couldn't see or hear me. I wanted to back in by all means, but i couldn't.

I can't tell how i finally disappeared outside of the dome, i regained conciousness here.

I didn't see Jesus tho, i didn't see any light, but i saw myself outside of myself. I recognized myself outside of myself.

Guess what? Three days before that surgery, i dreamed it. I knew i was going to sink if i went into aurgery with serious prayer.

I was booked for that surgery, and as i got admitted, that night, i had that dream. The next day i called in the MD, (who hardly believed in God). i told him to give me three days before the surgery. He did. I fasted three days in that Hospital averting death.

If i didn't, Okpari, i for don die.

This guy almost die o.

BlackManta:
Thank you.

You are welcome dear. Keep it up.

budaatum:
A level headed atheist! Cheers to future gists.

Yes, i said that because, you actually converse instead of cuss. Them atheists here are flimsy and petty and. They start up threads, when Christians comment they respond with cusses.


One medal goes to ... TheHumanistHim.

budaatum:
I am responding to you because I think you are being sincere so please pay attention. Do note that I am not requiring that you agree, just that you understand. And no, I am not offended. I will let you know if I become offended.[/i]

Fair enough. In a dicourse opinions are to be freely aired regarless of the fact that they are taken or rejected. It's a convo.
Thanks for being so mature (rare atheist)

budaatum:
As an atheist, when a person dies, it is my opinion that that is it. There is no after, according to my own opinion.

It's good you put it that way ' In your opinion'. So, in your opinion can you explain SLEEP?

What in your opinion triggers dreams? Do you as an atheist dream? From an atheist stand point, how will you explain dreams?

In your opinion, when one dies, it ends there. Have you seriously considered that dead could be like dreaming?
If you say dreaming is the projection of thoughts, or the preoccupation of a man's mind, How will you explain the fact that I personally dream things before they happen? Such events had never happened, but i will dream it, days after it will happen.

Right now, i had a dream, and based on the antecedents of the past, am inclined to wait out its manifestation,and it laways happens. What in your opinion is reslinsible for that?

[quote author=budaatum post=65296569]Can you see from the above why the question I asked
(What Happens When You're Dead?), is the question I would ask? And that if I had thought of, and asked the question you say I should have asked (What happens after you are dead?), it would have only been with some intention in mind?

As an atheist whose opinion is, nothing happens after dead, i'd expect that that question should not arise at all. Whether when or After should not be a concern to to at all. Why shd it matter? If all what happens is nothing, then why ask it at all?

For, If i were a New Ager who believes i will come back as either a flower of an Ant, after i die, It will be so stupid of me to ask 'What happens when i die?

The only way this quesrion will make sense is when you direct it to the living to whom you will leave behind here. When you are dead, how will they handle what you had toiled and stweated for?

When you die, how will men mourn you? When you die, what you be remembered by?
It's only in this sense will the question of 'When you die' will make sense.
But to talk of YOU THE DESEASED, as athesit, nothing will happen when you die.

But, be 10000% sure you are right about it, because as your conscent wasn't sort if you wanted to come to earth as human instead of a Cat, as your consent wasn't sort if you wanted to be male or female, black or white, tall or short. You weren't asked if you'd want the folks who birthed you to be your parents. You didn't choose to be a Nigerian or to come from the tribe you came from. All these were chosen for you.

You will also not be enquired of if you'd want to die when the time comes. Just as a decision was made for you to come here, a decision will some day be made for you to exit here, SO, AS AN ATHEIST, BE SURE THAT WHEN THAT TIME COMES, there'll be nothing waiting for you yonder.

[quote author=budaatum post=65296569]Do note that I have liked every response, even those that oppose my own view. And I have not taken to arguing that anyone's opinion is incorrect. I have not died yet you see. And no one has died and returned to tell if there is an after death, least not as far as has convinced me yet.

Lolzzzz. I don't take likes seriously. It's good we allow tne opnions of others because no one has it all. I may not agree with you but you may still be right. That said; Do you want to wait to die to find out?

You said no one has died and come back? Do you say that because you disbelieve the testimonies of those who had died and come back or you sincerely serious?

I know a man by name Ali Sina. An IranianEx Muslim who left Islam and became an atheist. A very firece Atheist. He had a website 'www.Faithfreedom.org. Do you know how that man became a Christian? Testimonies of NEAR DEAD EXPERIENCES.

No human being preached the gospel to him, infact, the gospel, he shredded and scorned at, he is now preaching it.

Atheists like you die and come back, they all have stories to tell. If you doubt Christians,what about your brethren the atheists?

A little girl of 5 died, met Jesus, when she came back, she painted the Master. You think a 5 yrs old will make that up?

Anyway sha, die and then find out. But, remember that will be too late (or not).

budaatum:
I am responding to you because I think you are being sincere so please pay attention. Do note that I am not requiring that you agree, just that you understand. And no, I am not offended. I will let you know if I become offended.[/i]

Fair enough. In a dicourse opinions are to be freely aired regarless of the fact that they are taken or rejected. It's a convo.
Thanks for being so mature (rare atheist)
As an atheist, when a person dies, it is my opinion that that is it. There is no after, according to my own opinion.

It's good you put it that way ' In your opinion'. So, in your opinion can you explain SLEEP?

What in your opinion triggers dreams? Do you as an atheist dream? From an atheist stand point, how will you explain dreams?

In your opinion, when one dies, it ends there. Have you seriously considered that dead could be like dreaming?
If you say dreaming is the projection of thoughts, or the preoccupation of a man's mind, How will you explain the fact that I personally dream things before they happen? Such events had never happened, but i will dream it, days after it will happen.

Right now, i had a dream, and based on the antecedents of the past, am inclined to wait out its manifestation,and it laways happens. What in your opinion is reslinsible for that?

budaatum:
Can you see from the above why the question I asked
(What Happens When You're Dead?), is the question I would ask? And that if I had thought of, and asked the question you say I should have asked (What happens after you are dead?), it would have only been with some intention in mind?

As an atheist whose opinion is, nothing happens after dead, i'd expect that that question should not arise at all. Whether when or After should not be a concern to to at all. Why shd it matter? If all what happens is nothing, then why ask it at all?

For, If i were a New Ager who believes i will come back as either a flower of an Ant, after i die, It will be so stupid of me to ask 'What happens when i die?

The only way this quesrion will make sense is when you direct it to the living to whom you will leave behind here. When you are dead, how will they handle what you had toiled and stweated for?

When you die, how will men mourn you? When you die, what you be remembered by?
It's only in this sense will the question of 'When you die' will make sense.
But to talk of YOU THE DESEASED, as athesit, nothing will happen when you die.

But, be 10000% sure you are right about it, because as your conscent wasn't sort if you wanted to come to earth as human instead of a Cat, as your consent wasn't sort if you wanted to be male or female, black or white, tall or short. You weren't asked if you'd want the folks who birthed you to be your parents. You didn't choose to be a Nigerian or to come from the tribe you came from. All these were chosen for you.

You will also not be enquired of if you'd want to die when the time comes. Just as a decision was made for you to come here, a decision will some day be made for you to exit here, SO, AS AN ATHEIST, BE SURE THAT WHEN THAT TIME COMES, there'll be nothing waiting for you yonder.

[quote author=budaatum post=65296569]Do note that I have liked every response, even those that oppose my own view. And I have not taken to arguing that anyone's opinion is incorrect. I have not died yet you see. And no one has died and returned to tell if there is an after death, least not as far as has convinced me yet.

Lolzzzz. I don't take likes seriously. It's good we allow tne opnions of others because no one has it all. I may not agree with you but you may still be right. That said; Do you want to wait to die to find out?

You said no one has died and come back? Do you say that because you disbelieve the testimonies of those who had died and come back or you sincerely serious?

I know a man by name Ali Sina. An IranianEx Muslim who left Islam and became an atheist. A very firece Atheist. He had a website 'www.Faithfreedom.org. Do you know how that man became a Christian? Testimonies of NEAR DEAD EXPERIENCES.

No human being preached the gospel to him, infact, the gospel, he shredded and scorned at, he is now preaching it.

Atheists like you die and come back, they all have stories to tell. If you doubt Christians,what about your brethren the atheists?

A little girl of 5 died, met Jesus, when she came back, she painted the Master. You think a 5 yrs old will make that up?

Anyway sha, die and then find out. But, remember that will be too late (or not).

budaatum:
"God, according to godisgood200"

That wasn't hard was it. And personally speaking, yours, in my opinion, is better thought out than all the others who posted a view on here. So, thanks.







This is a secret, so don't tell anyone please. But if I had a god, this is one thread where I will scream it from the mountaintop, if I were that way inclined, and if anyone questioned me about my god, I will tell them to go suck on something for I do not have to justify my god to anyone!

We are just having a conversation nau. it's not justifying God at all. I can't even do it even if i wanted to.

I hardly even respond to atheists here, but i have been reading your posts and see you as level headed, hence,decided to gist small

LordVoldermort:
Did I mention a thing about atheism your sure I'm not a satanist

Na for my mouth you wan hear say, atheists are satanists?

Zanas:
That guy is a well known Antichrist on this forum. He has clearly dedicated himself to doing the work of his father the devil, that's all he does here on nairaland

Oh, I see. Let him work hard for his reward awaits him.

BlackManta:
Your fictional Jesus only exist in the buybull.
I have my own nairaland account, i can post whatever i like, i can blaspheme jesus and no one will ban me.
If you cant deal with that, kindly walk out of my thread mbok.

I have seen dumb ducks, you top the chat.

sonmvayina:
The writer of the Bible story got his information from it...

Oh Wow. Really? Can you pls take us through it? Am so interested.

LordVoldermort:
Your moniker though sounds Nazi like , well anyway I'm asking a very simple question there are many deities that also hung from trees the Bible should be different, there's something wrong with a story where a man was nailed to a Cross Matt 27:40, Mark 15:30, John 19:19 and then all of sudden the cross (+) transformed into a tree (¥) and it uses the word 'hang' to further confuse people

Allow us Christians worry about this. E no concern you nau. Mind your atheism.

LordVoldermort:
"The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. . "
Acts:5:30

"And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and . hanged on a tree :"
Acts:10:39


"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree. , that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."
1 Peter:2:24


"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:".
Galatians:3:13

As an atheist, why does this concern you to the point of being seriously confused?

butterflyl1on:
He is not even close. The heat of hatred in him can rival molten magma. Perfection is alien to such people.

Well. I think he is God to have known that Papa Graham was not perfect. Let him be the first perfect man on earth.

I know that moniker, he sounds like a Christian, but he is not.

butterflyl1on:
Yes I did. Just show me a video of energy and I will show you a video of what happens after death to your current energy form in your body.

If you believe energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only change form, yet do not realise that you are simply energy in bodily form (a soul in a body)

Then the law of conservation of energy proves that we don't just die and all ends. There is something more after death.

You don pursue the boy commot from this thread. Take am easy make him continue to open him empty yansh.

budaatum:
Buda's Perspective

So, you took your last breath. You don't exist as you did anymore. No more waking up to a beautiful new day, or seeing and talking to those who love you or those you hate. No more posting on social media, no going to work or paying bills or enjoying food or having sex. Unless someone knows you, we wouldn't even know you are dead for how many have you discoursed with on here but do so no more. We know nought of them, whether dead or alive.

Dust, basically, thou art, and dust you will become, food for worms and fertiliser at best, on the day you die, and nothing else.

Hard to take in, I'm absolutely certain. So post a consolation, an alternate reality.

What would happen after you're dead?

You and your pattern of framing questions. You seem dishonest, no offence pls.

When you die, you you become manure for the plants, but what happens after you are dead should be the question.