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PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 3:19am On Aug 17, 2017
TheCabal:
I cited a scholarly paper and you cited a blog. Are you in secondary school? I don't think we should talk anymore.

Clearly this conversation is above your paygrade.
Modern day Jews pass through the maternal, also explain why the Cohen Model haplotype is Paternal grin Why were they testing the Y chromosome of the Lemba and not the MTDNA to see if they are from Israel? I'm waiting. Why are all the genealogies in the Bible only list the males?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10677325/
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 12:46pm On Aug 12, 2017
TheCabal:
According to rabbinic law, from the second century to the present, the offspring of a gentile mother and a Jewish father is a gentile, while the offspring of a Jewish mother and a gentile father is a Jew .
https://doi.org/10.1017/S0364009400001185
The Origins of the Matrilineal Principle in Rabbinic Law


Only a man born of a Jewish woman is a jew. Jews are matrilineal not patrilineal.

You should'nt have started this thread. The die is cast.
http://m.jpost.com/Blogs/This-Normal-Life/Roman-vs-Jewish-law-whatever-happened-to-patrilineal-descent-389254
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 12:41pm On Aug 12, 2017
TheCabal:
According to rabbinic law, from the second century to the present, the offspring of a gentile mother and a Jewish father is a gentile, while the offspring of a Jewish mother and a gentile father is a Jew .
https://doi.org/10.1017/S0364009400001185
The Origins of the Matrilineal Principle in Rabbinic Law


Only a man born of a Jewish woman is a jew. Jews are matrilineal not patrilineal.

You should'nt have started this thread. The die is cast.
The Jews were paternal in the Bible,even now Mr.Greenspan of FTDNA uses YDNA to trace to Jacob, which is why Cohen model haplotype is a Y-STR paternal Marker, not a maternal one, there is a reason why only males appear in genealogy trees in the Bible. You don't know much.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 4:26am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Funny how you choose find solace in the video but chose to deny the result of the test huh Are those E1A not collected among some ibo group/people before it was examined huh

Funny dude cheesy
When have I ever said that all igbo's are E1b? Huh? Quote me. I never said that, I said that some were E1b, and some were E1A, I clearly recognized that some igbo's do show up as E1A.That is not denying the results, denying the results would be saying that 'no Igbo has E1A.' The only reason they were not accepted as Jews is because of the E1A, but they're some igbos that have E1b.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 4:18am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Hahahahaha.
See how you contradict ya self kiss

Who's every, and what does " some" means?


Looolx grin
You clearly cannnot read, here is what I said:

"Yes but you are trying to say that every single Igbo is not a Jew. I'm saying that some are Jews"

For the first part I was clearly referring to comments made by you, I am not contradicting myself, you clearly took my words out of context but only highlighting "every single Igbo is not a Jew" instead of highlighting "You are trying to say that every single Igbo is not a Jew"
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 4:13am On Aug 12, 2017
RussianICBM:
Why is this even a debated topic in the first place?

It shows that this Joke has been taken too far for us to be debating the plausibility of someone in central Imo state being jew, smh.

All Igbos who have taken a DNA test have so far ALL Come back 100% African.

Fulanis for example have a partly Arab/North African/Berber DNA component, and it CLEARLY shows in their results.
They only did Y25 testing, what ancestry are they doing with YDNA testing?
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 4:10am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Did you even read the OP at all?

Loolx cheesy

OK, let me help you :





Now,after the so called result came out, here are the result :

http://forward.com/fast-forward/379533/igbo-men-have-no-semitic-dna-according-to-controversial-test/


http://www.timesofisrael.com/messianic-jews-to-nigerians-youre-not-real-jews/
The no Semitic DNA they're referring to is the E1A, since they only did YDNA testing, they cannot tell autosomal results from a YDNA test, the YDNa test was Y25.

"Saliva samples were col­lected from Igbo community for Y25, DNA test on February 6 and 7, 2017 at Nnewi, Anam­bra "

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.informationng.com/2017/08/igbos-not-jews-dna-result-reveals.html/amp

E1b can be found in igboland.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 4:04am On Aug 12, 2017
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 3:58am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
I quote you :




The bolded has explained and proved my point here. cool
Yes but you are trying to say that every single Igbo is not a Jew. I'm saying that some are Jews.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 3:51am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
I guess Jews are plenty for obodo nigeria, I am a southerner, remember huh

In that case, ibo being a race/tribe should quit claiming Jews as it seems it spreads across various tribes and individual.
Ibo author again,that same dude that's been going around trying to claim ibo jewish undecided loolx he's been all over the net fighting for a week now cry

Thank you cheesy
You don't get the point do you? J1 is a Jewish haplogroup, but a lot of non-Jewish Europeans have it, that does not mean that J1 is not Jewish same thing applies to E1b1a. Using your logic J1 Jews should quit claiming to be Jewish, as a lot of non-Jewish European clans have J1 too.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 3:40am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Thank you,@ the emboldened grin
By the way, wiki isn't a reliable source, anybody can edit it,and besides wiki doesn't run DNA test nor verify jewish identity.

Nice chatting with yah

grin
"The E1b1a haplogroups highly concentrated Southern Nigeria with highest concentration of its E1b1a1a1fla in a subclade in Igboland"

http://www.academia.edu/26524853/The_Igbo_Jews_And_The_Questions_of_Genetics_and_Culture
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 3:16am On Aug 12, 2017
ezeagu:
The entire idea of that haplogroup being from Jacob, who is not even confirmed as a historical figure, is not based on solid evidence. If the argument is that the other Jews are not true Jews then there will never be a way to confirm whether Jacob existed or not and what origin he had.
There are ancient Hebrew skeletons buried in israel, if we tested those we would be able to find Jacob's ydna through his children. I never said that the haplogroup as a whole was from Jacob, only that Jacob would have that haplogroup, and that would mean anyone else that claims to descend from Jacob should have that haplogroup.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 3:08am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
If not all ibo are Jews then it would be wrong to tag a whole tribe Jews, mixed or not it's all about the test, isn't it?
Yes, however the point is to address the fact that some igbo's are Jews.Some clans of igbo's could be Jewish while other clans would not be Jewish.

Also, on Wikipedia, igbo's are listed with 89% E1b1a.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Sub-Saharan_Africa
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 3:02am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
I was aware of that but I wanted to corner the dude. grin

Now, let do the math :
• is ibo tribe jewish huh
• If so, why was the result came out negative, and does that means that those tested are not ibos cheesy
If they are,let me ask again,is ibo jews(as a whole) huh
Are you ignoring my comments, I clearly said not all igbo's are jews, and the igbo's that were are still Igbo but Jewish voice did not tell us how they knew that the random samples were of Igbo origin.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:58am On Aug 12, 2017
IgboSubmarine:
They should get more samples from other parts of Igboland especially those parts that have a large presence of fair skin people Example



Kanu and his wife should be tested.
His wife's haplogroup would not matter, she would have to test her father while Kanu would only have to test himself.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:57am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Should we now conclude that all those tested are not ibos,and besides, why did they fail the test if ibos are Jews as we were made to believe before this revelation? And remember this quote :




So, what's the problem here huh
I did not say that all igbo's are Jews, only some. And I did not say that the igbo's that were tested were not igbo's only it was not confirmed, as they took random samples.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:52am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Stop shouting. Provide prove to that.
Show me the link that states the samples were collected from Nnewi huh
https://www.google.com/amp/dailypost.ng/2017/08/06/biafra-jewish-scientists-storm-anambra-present-confirmatory-dna-test-igbo-origin-photos/amp/

The International President, Jewish voice Ministries, Rabbi Jonathan Bernis and his team have stormed Nnewi, Anambra State, to present confirmatory DNA tests on the claims that the Igbo’s are of Israel descent.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:51am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Then that says it all.
Let me ask, why were they rejected, E1A?
E1A was not found in north-African/arabs population unlike E1b. Not all igbo's are E1A, the 124 igbo's were the ones that made Igbo get rejected because of their E1A. If the Igbo that were E1b got tested they would of been accepted. 124 samples is to small for a tribe that has over 30 million members.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:47am On Aug 12, 2017
IgboSubmarine:
Are you sure

I will check again if truly intermarriage affects only the autosomal
If they continued to marry Israelite man, their YDNA would not change. But let's say a woman's father is an Israelite, that would make her an Israelite,but if she goes an marries a non-Israelite man and gives children to him, her children will not be an israelite she would still be one thought. But if an Israelite man marries a non-Israelite woman, his children would still be Israelites, but their autosomal would show ancestry from both parents.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:41am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
grin you've said it all,and you know what? The majority carry it. Because as it stands, the majority tested has so far proved(as it stands)ibo race isn't Jews. And yes,you are right again,the bolded approve my point and the statement you just made ;ibo not being Jewish but base on individuality. I am mee,jew too cheesy
The igbo's were rejected because of E1A, if the samples were E1b it would of been different.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:39am On Aug 12, 2017
IgboSubmarine:
Intermarriage will definitely affect the genetic make-up of the later descendants.


Don't you think so
Actually intermixing would not affect the YDNA, only the autosomal. But they trace through paternal linage, it does not say "You much be atleast 70% Jewish" it is your male ancestor must come from Jacob.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:33am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
And I quote you :

grin
I didn't say that all igbo's have E1b1a, I said some do. I do recognize that igbo's have E1A as well. Like the Lemba tribe who had both E and J.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:31am On Aug 12, 2017
ezeagu:
There's nothing like "Jewish 100%", even if we go with this funny theory, Igbo "Jews" would not be 100%, they'd be watered down with whoever you guys think the Igbo people are made up of who would be black Africans.

Furthermore, this is a ridiculous reason to claim or even been campaigning for Igbo Jewish identity.
Jews trace ancestry through paternal, if the father is an Israelite, than they would be considered as Jewish as any other Jew. It wouldn't matter if the Jewish autosomal dna is at 1%, if there are descendant of a male Israelite let's say 2,500 years ago but they have been intermixing with non-israelite woman they would be still considered an Israelite.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:28am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Now you are contradicting ya self bro.

The result read : [b]E1b[/b]were none jewish.
Watch the video again, Bernis list E1b as a Jewish haplogroup, its even the first that is listed. Now your just denying facts.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:26am On Aug 12, 2017
IgboSubmarine:
You are just been a nuisance on this thread


So many Igbo communities have intermarried with other tribes especially those communities at the fringes of Igboland which will definitely affect their genetic make-up


The Jewish people should have taken samples from Igbo communities that are at the center of Igboland and have less intermarriage with other tribes


For example, Anambra has an indigenous Igala community.

So imagine what will become of their genetic make-up after years of intermarriage with other ethnic groups



GoldAlpha12 which part of Igbo land are you from since you have E1B1 genetic make-up.
Nnwei
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:25am On Aug 12, 2017
ezeagu:
That would also mean that millions out of more than 500 million black Africans "may be Jewish".
It would be a factor in testing Jewish ancestry, such as somebody with haplogroup B would not Jewish 100%.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:24am On Aug 12, 2017
ezeagu:
Actually, it has been revealed from further research that they are not.
Lemba's buba clan has a high rate of the Jewish cohen gene.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:23am On Aug 12, 2017
ezeagu:
Then that rubbishes the idea of that haplogroup indicating 'Jewish' ancestry.
If Jacob's Ydna was E1b1a, that haplogroup would be the Jewish haplogroup, not for everyone, but for some.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:22am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
grin you've said it all,and you know what? The majority carry it. Because as it stands, the majority tested has so far proved(as it stands)ibo race isn't Jews. And yes,you are right again,the bolded approve my point and the statement you just made ;ibo not being Jewish but base on individuality. I am mee,jew too cheesy
If Jacob had E1b1a, and some igbo's have E1b1a you would not consider the possible Jewish ancestry of Igbo's?
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:20am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
The dude as subconsciously confessed. He fell for it. That is,ibo being Jews is a big lie strictly base on individuality not ibo tribe hence the contractions in the result. grin
Your denying that some igbo's do have E1b, making them Jewish according to Bernis.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:14am On Aug 12, 2017
totit:
Thank you grin
You've proved me right. Obviously,being Jews isn't a tribe thing but individual, I guess mee I am jaw to.

For,In that case it's wrong to call you a jew and not ibo people wink grin. Don't you agree grin
That is not the point, if Jacob's DNA was found and it was tested to be E1b1a, but E1b1a is at an 80% rate in Africa, that does not make every African Jewish, it would just mean that Jacob's YDNA is E1b1a and it can be used to see if somebody has a chance of being Jewish, Jacob would come from a group of people that have E1b1a, however those people would not stop giving birth once Jacob was born, they would give birth to other people with E1b1a, but they would not be considered Jewish.
PoliticsRe: Igbo Jew DNA (VIDEO) Igbo's are Jewish with E1b by GoldAlpha12(op): 2:06am On Aug 12, 2017
0b100100111:
grin grin grin

I join you for the laughter


"Some" grin grin grin
The 'some' are the E1b Jews igbo

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