otipoju:


Now i am really done with you i swear you are a time waster. Ive asked a simple question for the umpteenth time and and you have refused to answer because you do not know.

For the last time. Please tell us in your own words . When and Where did the big bang occur?

Its a really simple question. Why is it so hard for you to explain...because just like the theist can not emprically prove the existence of God, you also can never answer this question. When and Where did the big bang occur. Any attempt to do so destroys your theory that the universe started with a big bang.

I told you about my background so that you know you are not talking to a pepper seller that you want to impress with big grammar.

Why do you care about my grammar so much? why does it bother you?

It's not my job to explain the big bang to you. If you don't have the answers to those you can go find out yourself, then you can refute it.
You've shown lack of serious understanding with some of the questions you asked, "Why are there still apes and eels"...really?

Just because we don't have an answer for events before the big bang doesn't mean you can invoke an agent. You have no evidence of your sky daddy or that he created the universe.

SMBH:


I have met lots of people him... I always wonder how someone in this 21 century, Information age still believes that the earth is flat.

Mehn this world still has a long way to go, education dey very important ooo.

PrincewithGod:

What a pity!

Pity is thinking there are specific things you cant say or think..

otipoju:


Bro you are really ignorant.
Go check what we do when we study religion.
Studying religion destroyed my faith as you are encouraged to question everything that you have ever been told.

I did so enthusiastically and damn and i studied how faith systems evolved over the centuries. I became atheistic not until i hade an epiphany and found God for the first time that i realised how limited we are as human beings.

He/she is definitely not white and is not confined by the boundaries of space and time. Man cannot ever comprehend God.

Anthropomorphisms are in fact man's attempt to cope with something that cant be explained.

All this gra gra that you are doing shows that you know nothing.

I don't need your background story, i only care about the content of your speech and you don't say anything meaningful.
Stop assuming your background makes your faith more justified, you have no idea of my background or the extent of my experience either.
First, you talk like a theist and now you're sounding like a diest.
Provide your evidence for your chosen God or go elsewhere. Like i said, your chosen God is one of a thousand.

SMBH:
EMILO2STAY


Neil Armstrong performed the feather and hammer experiment on the moon. The results showed that they both touched the lunar surface at the same time which proves gravity.

I don't think you'll get through to this guy. He believes the earth is flat and thinkings gravity is a lie.

otipoju:


Bra. I said zip it. No more big grammar.

Where and when did the big bang happened. Simple question with a simple answer.

Only if you can answer rhis question can we now start any meaningful discussion.

Then i will make your brain sweat a little today.

You cannot spoon feed me nada. I first came knew about the big bang theory in 1997 and done independent reading as a student of Religion and Philosophy up until 2005 when i graduated from OAU.

Where and When did the big bang happen?...in your own words please.

Your a single minded person. i have nothing more to say to you, anyone who asks moronic questions like "Why are there still apes or eels" clearly has never picked up a science book to understand evolution.
You graduated from RELIGION studies so i understand now, they took your brain from early.
People like you exist all over the world that believes in a chosen god and do things so that the chosen god/gods are pleased

There is no invisible white man in the sky.
God is neither white nor black.

How do you know that? have you seen him before? did he tell you that himself?


You are scientifically illiterate bro. Just shut up. If you can not in your own words explain where and when the big bang happened, then zip it. If you can tell me why man has not evolved into a higher form and why there are still eels and apes then just shut the hell up.

Scientific illiteracy is asking why man has not evolved into a higher form or why there are still eels and apes, such basic questions shows you have not even looked into the BASIC understanding of natural selection so its pointless me explaining it to you. At the very least you need to have a basic understanding of the topic mate.


Stop referring me to any article or video. If your theory can not answer two basic questions. Where and when? ...because if it does the whole theory falls flat on its face.

If the big bang happened in time and space, then some thing must have existed before the big bang and that cannot therefore explain the origin of the universe.

Do you think you are talking to an ignoramus or you think i dont know what i am saying.

Everywhere in the bible, it encourages studying the world that we live in and as that knowledge increased in medicine, astronomy ,chemistry and so, mans conception of the divine also evolved.

Over the course od history, scientists and not arm chair readers like you have had their faith strengthened by their findings or lessened by it.

The denomination thati go to tells me when you are sick, the first thing to do is to visit a Hospital on your way there and during your stay, pray for healing.

You are not saying anything new that has not been said in the past 200 years so just find somewhere go siddon.

I am really done.

Your talking like the church is your science book, you cannot prove your god, infact hes not the first one or last one to exist. Why is the bible your holy book? because it was handed down to you by your parents.
Your proving the exam reason why i started this topic, your indoctrinated.

This is not a church, It's not my job to feed you "knowledge"
[b]To refute a hypothesis you actually have to understand the propositions, assumptions, and conclusions.

CAPSLOCKED:



LOL... MOST RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID

SO YOUR ALMIGHTY GOD LOVES YOU SO MUCH, ONLY YOU. SO HE CREATED THE OTHERS HE HATES AND "CURSED" THEM WITH ALBINISM, LEUKEMIA, AND DISABILITIES?

BUT YOU, HE CREATED PERFECTLY. ONLY YOU. BECAUSE YOU'RE THE SPECIAL SON OF GOD

THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN BELIEVING IN AN IMAGINARY CREATOR IS TO BELIEVE THAT ONLY YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE SPECIAL. THAT ONLY YOU AND YOUR FAMILY'S PRAYERS ARE TO BE GRANTED AND NO EVIL FASHIONED AGAINST YOU AND YOUR OWN FAMILY SHALL PROSPER. THAT ALL ACCIDENTS, SUDDEN DEATHS AND FAILURES ARE NOT YOUR PORTION, BUT THE PORTIONS OF OTHERS OF COURSE BECAUSE YOU ARE SPECIAL.

WHAT A MISERABLE WAY TO LIVE AS A SELFISH, INCONSIDERATE, RELIGIOUS BIGGOT.

GOODBADANDUGLY.

What a sick and twisted mind. those are the kind of people that will go to church to give a testimony that "I survived an accident this weekend that killed 20 people, but i survived so this is God's way of saying he is there and still watching over me"
Fu*k those other 20 people abi, because God is watching over YOU BECAUSE YOUR SPECIAL?

Another example to show that we are a very unserious nation full of unserious people.

EMILO2STAY:
[s]oga things fall due to buoyancy and weight.[/s] [s]Object heavier than air falls to the ground while things lighter than air rises up[/s]. This is the natural other of things in the earths atmosphere. [s]Throw a stone and a water proof nylon into the air and you find out that the stone falls first because of its weight and not because gravity chooses to drag the stone down first. Gravity till today is still a theory without proof.[/s]

Just as i thought, you have no idea what your talking about and you just confirmed it.
Things fall due to their Mass (m), we also have to consider the force acting on the object (g) to determine the weight. The weight is the force generated by the acceleration of the mass. W=mg.
Analyzing gravity using a stone and a waterproof nylon shows your lack of understanding since you haven't considered the mass, mass per surface area, air resistance applied on both and any other external acting forces.
Heavier objects do not fall faster than lighter objects when they are dropped from a uniform height IF there is no resistance from the air. Therefore if you did the experiment in a vacuum, the two things would fall at the same rate (Only difference is their mass m).

The only thing that makes a heavier item fall faster than a lighter thing in real life is the fact that heavier objects usually have more mass per surface area than do lighter things. Because of this, the resistance from the air slows the fall of the lighter thing (Hence the stone falls faster than the nylon).

But if both objects had the same ratio of mass to surface area, they would fall at the same rate.

So, the only thing that makes a lighter thing fall more slowly is the resistance from the air.

EMILO2STAY:

[s]like I said there is no evidence in the natural world were it is shown that a massive object could attract another by virtue of its mass alone. The earth is not a sphere it is a plane. The men who proposed these theories have never been to space so how did they detect, measure and confirm all of these? [s]They are simply pure theories and never fact. [/s] The earth does not orbit the sun but it is the sun that goes around the earth which is why shadows move clockwise under the sun light from morning to the evening. If the earth was a globe and the sun stationary the shadows will never move like that.

[s] There is no experiment confirming gravity a nail and a feather does not fall at 9.8 what ever. [/s]

There is no satellite on Jupiter or Mmercuryeven the earth has none, those things you call mars Jupiter and mercury are simply celestial luminaries that is why they give off light, it is not a planet or a huge ball of rock in space there is Noel place called space its all a lie[/s].

Honestly, i am baffled by your ignorance, your a heavy conspiracy theorist. Your problem is you don't understand scientific notions. A theory is an explanation of a fact, its the highest graduation of certainty in science. Things fall at a constant rate towards the earth's surface, this is a FACT. The theory of gravity is the explanation for this. Everything is a lie but the technology you use, the cars you see, the aircrafts and satellites we build and operate are all a testament to these theories you claim are lies.
Its no wonder you can't seem to grasp how aircrafts, satellites and rockets are operated, you can't understand something as simple as gravity.
I think this is enough madness for me today. I did not spend all my years of education to convince someone the earth is not flat.

LoveElfrida:


Thanks bro!

I actually got them chasing after me, but I'm not interested in them, 'cos I know what they want. Good things most times need a lot of work to get.

Shey you get. Also, remember that you're the one that's choosing, don't ever settle for a relationship you cannot possibly see lasting forever. You have to always be honest with yourself like this lady has been honest with you.
Women will always show you their true character to your face, it's up to you to take it as you see it or ignore it.
If you're looking to maintain a stable relationship and she's openly telling you her career is her priority, you will be responsible for the consequence of your next move as she has already laid it out for you. This is why I suggest you also put your self FIRST, your happiness should also be your number 1 priority.

EMILO2STAY:


[s]There is no experiment confirming gravity infact the michelson -Morley, michelson - gale, sagnac and the airy's failure proved otherwise instead of the expected outcome. [/s]

Sure, step out a second floor window. That proves that gravity exists.
No lie at all ma'am, I am involved in this field and i am lucky enough to witness the constant verification of science experiments and testing of new concepts.

https://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/gravitational-constant

EMILO2STAY:


[s]There is no example in nature of a massive sphere or any other shaped object which by virtue of its mass alone can cause any other smaller object to stick or orbit around it.[/s]

Sure, we don't observe the planets orbiting the sun. We just send aircraft, satellites and rockets up in the air based on chance; we cannot account for gravity since its a lie according to you.

EMILO2STAY:

you came here ranting, I asked for your clarification and now your saying I should do my home work. [s]I have done it and found gravity to be a lie.[/s] Now you tell me what is gravity and the proof of it?

We don't consider the effects of gravity and how this affects the structures we build.
There is no study on the effects of gravity on mass.
Their arent any repeatable experiments to suggest things fall at a constant rate.
We just HAPPEN to guess the speed required to put satellites in the orbit of Earth, Mercury, and Jupiter.
Gravity is a lie so the 4 mars rovers accidentally made it to mars.
We build air travel and the safety of millions of passengers based on a lie.

If gravity is a lie as you claim, what is your explanation of the phenomenon? or do you just walk on water because the viscosity of water is also a lie?
Do you believe the world is flat and has an edge?

jom28gy:
Why did some people don't believed that Christ died for them and their sins?
Eg, Muslims, and some other groups?

-No compelling evidence he existed
-No evidence for the supernatural claims
-Goes against everything we know in physics, biology and chemistry
-The history or Christianity shows it has been bastardised and manipulated.
-The earliest text evidence we have is 200 years after The story of Christ.
-Christianity is not the oldest religion.

The list is infinite!
When you understand why Christians disbelieve other religions, you’ll understand why other religions disbelieve Christianity.

LoveElfrida:
I once told her that I could kidnap her and take her to my utopia, she laughed, thought that I was kidding, but now I wished I had.

She's a lovable girl, black, bold, and beautiful, with the gaze of eternals, she's a goddess. A goddess of beauty. On our 4th date after three(3) weeks of knowing her, I made my intention known to her, she asked for a time to process everything. Alas! She came back with the big N-O, citing her career pursuit as the reason.

This is the first woman I've ever truly loved, but I was rejected. She isn't like the most ladies out there I've seen, and she isn't even driven by money or materials thing.

I've deleted all her memories- her pictures, our chats, her contact, and even our pictures, we truly bonded well. But I can't erase her memory in my head, she's already got me in her grip, I'm psychologically unbalanced ATM.

Save yourself the drama, there are billions of women in the world and guess what? Their shit smells just like men’s shit smells.
Your first mistake is putting her on a pedestal like she’s better than you.
She stated her career pursuit is her priority, yours should be the same!
Focus on working on yourself and ladies will chase you instead of the other way round. You want to be the catch and not the chaser.

DoctorAlien:


Johnydon22 come and see the newest logician on board the skeptic train.

Please explain to me the evidence that exist for the God you worship. Is it YWYH? El lah? Zeus? Thor? Orisis? Vishnu?

Please don’t refer to a 2000 year old manuscript that has been bastardised and riddled with contradictions and translation errors.

DoctorAlien:


You mean what they are doing is not naturalism? Yeah, I agree.

They are manipulating data so it fits the narrative that the earth is 6000 years old, yet we have evidence of Dinosaur fossils from million of years ago.
Even the oldest homo sapien fossil found is older.
The rocks on the earth are millions of years old.
Meteorites collision with the earth from millions of years ago.
Stop deceiving yourself with JUNK SCIENCE.

DoctorAlien:


You mean what they are doing is not naturalism? Yeah, I agree.

Oh I see so your involved in the self deception too? That’s awesome!
Creationism: Let’s start with the presumption that a being which there is no evidence for, created all of this. Now let’s try and manipulate the data to fit this narrative.
Evolutional Science: lets observe nature and let her tell the real story as it is.

EMILO2STAY:
what is the proof of gravity or evolution?

In fact which theories has your religion proven?
The holy spirit?
that people can walk on water?
that a man can split a sea into two walls?
a virgin can give birth to a god?
that religious healing is more reliable than hospitals and doctors?

EMILO2STAY:
since you claim to know these things then proof it to me if you really understand them otherwise don't quote me.

I’ve provided you with the theories you need to be familiar with. How do you expect me to explain 300 years of scientific research to you?
Stop being intellectually lazy and ignorant, go study what I have mentioned. If you want to experience gravity yourself then jump off a building and when you start falling, you’ll soon realise what gravity is

If your interested, this is the original demonstration. I have recreated it several times in the lab and anyone around the world can also do it! Feel free to set it up yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

So if gravity is a lie in your world then how do you account for...erm objects with masses being attracted to each other?

DoctorAlien:


How I wish all you skeptics would listen to this advice of yours. But I doubt you will, because the mainstay of your arguments against creationism is appeal to the opinion of evolutionist scientists.

Your under the assumption that we haven’t examined the arguments for creationism. Trust me when I say the argument are pure garbage. What they are doing is not science. The earth is not 6000 years old, there are fossils older, the cosmic background ray is older, human civilisation is older. Stop feeding yourself bias junk science that has been debunked several times. Why else do you think they created their own website? Because they know their “science” is bogus!


Creationist arguments are notoriously errant or based on a misunderstanding of evolutionary science and evidence.
Hundreds of studies verify the facts of evolution, at both the microevolutionary and macroevolutionary scale—from the origin of new traits and new species to the underpinnings of the complexity we see in life and the statistical probability of such complexity arising.

otipoju:


I have had enough. You obviously do not know nothing about nothing. Prove the big bang theory, youre talking about gravity and space travel. Prove evolution , you are talking about vaccination. You can'teven express your thoughts logically. Faith and science are not mutually exclusive. One does not disprove the other because its simply impossible for a finite brain to account for an infinite universe.

Our knowledge wether acquired by faith or reason is simply limited.

Do you think you are talking with a kindergatern.
Go and sit down somewhere if you got nothing meaningfulto say.

This post was not created with the intention of having scientific debates with scientifically illiterates. I have provided with you reading material to know more on the topics you asks about, read these and come up with more intellectually honest questions
You need to go away and do the research for yourself, it's not my job to spoon feed you knowledge.
For the big bang research; Redshift of Galaxies, Cosmic background radiation, Mixture of Elements and the ever-expanding universe.
For evolution research; common Traits (Common Ancestor), Speciation and The Remnants Of Past Generations.

Science explains our environment, faith doesn’t. Faith is the excuse people use when they don’t have a good enough reason to trust something. You need faith to believe a man walked on water, a Virgin gave birth to a messiah, a man stopped the sun, a man split a sea in two. Yet you have no evidence what’s so ever. What is logical about such nonsense?

Science gets you this world we’re living in, cars, phones, aircrafts. faith gets you men in caves who do rain dances because they think it will please an invisible man in the sky.

“It’s simply impossible for a finite brain to account for an infinite universe”
yeah so let’s all just assume there’s an invisible white man in the sky who does, where is this evidence for this God? In fact which God is yours self?

“Our knowledge wether acquired by faith or reason is simply limited.”
yeah so yet again let’s all just assume there’s an invisible white man in the sky who does have all the knowledge. How exactly do you know of an existing knowledge outside of “our knowledge”? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

Stop playing God of the gaps. Just because we can’t explain some things yet doesn’t mean God. Your faith and your God have explained nothing testable in the universe up to this point, was it faith that got you the phone your texting from?

“ Do you think you are talking with a kindergatern.
Go and sit down somewhere if you got nothing meaningfulto say.”
By the sounds of things I am speaking to a kindergarten. Only a child requires to be spoon feed knowledge , go and self educate yourself and you wouldn’t sound like a child.

I will not be taking this conversation any further as you come across as intellectually lazy and bias.

Just so you know “belief is faith without evidence” so I understand why your scientifically illiterate, you believe in things without evidence...

EMILO2STAY:
you came here ranting, I asked for your clarification and now your saying I should do my home work. [s]I have done it and found gravity to be a lie.[/s] Now you tell me what is gravity and the proof of it?

LMAO gravity is a lie? Your serious scientifically illiterate.
Go read up and Newton's law of universal gravitation. Understand how g forces is demonstrated by dropping objects from a height, in fighter aircrafts, in space vacuum, how the earth’s gravitational pull is different to the fabric of space and the moon. The basic principle of everything is physics is based on gravity as a constant of 9.81m/s. This is a contstant used to design the limitation of aircraft/space structures, used to determine the trajectory and acceleration required for orbital escape of satellites and rockets. Gravity is acting on you everyday, you want to experience the proof? Go and jump off a building and see if you’ll fly up.
It’s not my job to spoon feed knowledge to you, especially if you make such bold and illeterate questions.

DoctorAlien:


Yes the same creation.com that says that the earth is 6000 years old. How is it funny, and what connects it with children going to school?

Bear in mind, the people who hold this opinion are PhD scientists in different areas of science.

The earth is not 6000 year old, we have fossils that are from millions of years ago
97% of mainstream scientists agree that evolution and Big Bang are facts, the evidence file is overwhelming. They are not concerned with the “opinions” of creationists who attempt to bent data dishonesty.
If you don’t want to learn the truth, your children will tell it to you.

DoctorAlien:


So much misconception compressed into a single post. Well, I want to assure you that you're bringing nothing new that we have not seen on this board. Take your time to learn the creationist position, before proceeding to engage it in argument.

Untrue, I am very familiar with the creationism position and it’s piss poor. I know the guy who heads that creation organisation, I’ve listened to his debates and watched majority of his talks. He’s a clown, a bold face liar who intentionally manipulates data.

DoctorAlien:


Hahaha Please visit [url]Creation.com[/url] and see all these points you raised debunked by PhD scientists.

I had to come back and laugh at this post, the same creation.com that says the earth is 6000 years old? please make sure you send your children to school

otipoju:


How do you want me to belueve something that YOU cannot prove yourself. My friend gerrarhia.

You're being intentionally obtuse. We can prove and demonstrate gravity, the same principles are used to determine the other theories mentioned. If you choose to be willing ignorance then that's on you. Just know your religious book is full of fairy tales that go against everything we know in maths, physics, chemistry, biology, and engineering.
Evolution is why we have vaccines that protect us from bacteria. It's observable in nature.
Big bang theory and associated theories put satellites in orbit around earth. It's observable in nature.
If you want anymore in-depth understanding then you need to go and understand the theoretical and the implications.

Your religious book explains nothing useful.

otipoju:


Can you prove the big bang theory to me. Tell me where and when it happened. And please when you want to prove evolution to me, please provide witnesses with dates.

You need to go away and do the research for yourself, it's not for me to do your homework for you.
For the big bang research; Redshift of Galaxies, Cosmic background radiation, Mixture of Elements and the ever-expanding universe.
For evolution research; common Traits (Common Ancestor), Speciation and The Remnants Of Past Generations.

If you go away and educate yourself on these topics then i will be happy to answer any further questions you have.

otipoju:


In glad that you admitted to this that both the big bang theory and the evolution theory still do not answer the question of how the universe came about.

So please do not blame me if i chose to believe that a Supreme Being decided to create the universe. I dont worship God because i am afraid of hell fire i dont worship God because i want to go to heaven. I worship God because He simply is worthy of my adoration.

I was at the Georgia Aquarium sometime this week and saw thousands of sea creatures fave to face, from eels, to squids, jelly fish ,sea lions dolphins , sharks and whales that were 50 times my size....all i could was just give glory to God for all the beautiful and ugly creatures that he created.

All this Anti God shee, i did between 1999 and 2001. Until God revealed himself to me in an epiphany.

I rest my case.

You shouldn’t worship something you cannot prove exists. To think all those creatures you mentioned were created in naive.
You do realize dogs are distance ancestors to wolfs and cats are distance ancestors to big cats (Tigers, jaguars, cheetahs).

Quick side note, what makes you conclude something is beautiful or ugly? Is it not down to subjectivity?
At these end of the day these creatures adapt to nature hence their prime goal is to survive so looking "beautiful or ugly" is secondary.

DoctorAlien:


Hahaha Please visit [url]Creation.com[/url] and see all these points you raised debunked by PhD scientists.

LMAO seriously creation.com? that's hilarious, you call what those guys do as science? don't fool yourself. These so called "scientists" hold presumptions, their goal is to manipulate reality to fit into the origin bible story of the bible.

otipoju:


Lol. Answer my question. no be only 13 billion. Na 5 milliion billion. Why did human beings stop evolving into higher forms or you want to tell me that humans are in the best form that they could? But bacteria, still dey evolve. All of una no well at all.

Abi all the current monkeys and apes no like better thing to turn to human beings.

Evolution ko Acceleration ni.

What makes you think humans are not currently evolving? you do realize the basic principles of evolution is used for genetically modified meat and In vitro fertilization. Children have been born with autificially selected genes.
Don't be so small minded to think you can see 13 billion years of evolution in 90 years.
Asking why there are still monkeys and apes seriously shows your lack of understanding of on the matter.

otipoju:


The problem with the evolution theory is this...
1. why are living things not still evolving into higher forms.

2 Why are those lowly forms still here with the so called higher forms since they could not adapt and ought to have become extinct.

Evolution is a theory and not a fact and its highly ridiculous to a rational mind.

Lmao your very funny and your arrogance is naive. You clearly cannot grasp 13 billion years and the theory of gene mutations.
just so you know evolution is a FACT observation in nature, natural selection is the theory which explains it.
Evolution is still happening as we speak on a smaller scale, bacterias become immune to the antibodies humans take so now the new generation has evolved by adapting to their environment.

EMILO2STAY:
what is the proof of gravity or evolution?

You'll have to do your own homework, you have already proven you haven't bothered. Please do your own self-education to understand the fundamentals and then you can ask more educated questions.

hakeem4:
you are such a funny fellow. is gravity made up by isaac new or eistien ? so are you saying before newton people could fly . You have been given a simple project; mention one living thing that was created (intelligently designed). all life on earth evolved and its a known fact!

which scientist said the world was flat? you must be mistaken philosophers for scientist. Even if the scientific community said the earth was flat and later came back to say the earth was Geoid. That's the beauty of science, we do not know everything thats why we keep testing all our ideas. Unlike the bible which claims to know all things but it actually knows nothing

The bible is not a science book, we can be certain of that. Grasping the true meaning of "billions of years" really explains the beauty of our reality.