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[quote author=bjmotors13 post=52269600][/quote]Pictures please.

Also, can you do an exchange?

In your mind, the bitumen in Ondo is more expensive than that in Ondo state abi?

thedarkside:
am asking if you know what the price is for the bitumen in ondo??

other nations will always beat us in production....because they industrialized very fast....

you just dont pick up bitumen and use it...

you have to refine it like petrol too....

Really Good news? When we have the second largest bitumen deposit world over

SMH!!!

Oasis007:
http://leadership.ng/business/550023/geneva-energy-firm-commences-bitumen-thipment-to-nigeria


...kindly help to console all Nigerians with this piece! We need to be reading good news at least once in a while to avoid losing complete hope in PMB Administration.

Bias detected.

Why will you be comparing Dapo's voice with Kitays? That's like comparing sleep and death. Ever imagined why Kitay has never been on probabtion other than the general money hunting probation. Kitay's voice is million of miles ahead of Dapo's growing voice. Perfomance wise nko? Kitay is light years ahead.

vjaywest:
Joseph on d finale
The winner of mtn project fame season 9 is Dapo !!!
Everyone screams

yusuf fans storm the internet and start saying this mtn project fame is shii yusuf was supposed 2 win

Joseph on d finale
D winner of mtn project fame season 9 is yusuf

dapo fans storm d internet saying "yusuf won project fame small doctor can also do it


ma point is naija go always complain
They choose favourtism over talent

lets all collectively agree on this thread who deserves 2 win project fame so far without involving favourtism

waiting for d honest comments
thank you

u think yusuf should win
drop reasons

same goes 2 d rest

well 4 me i think dapo should win cos he as the voice, swag, face and charmness ...he can perform 50 rnb songs perfectly n his voice stil won't change.....dat is real talent....
kitay is good buh i think dapo as an edge
imagine dapo n kitay performing micheal Jackson speechless , dapo would definately kill et more even without stressing da his cute voice...ntin special about kitay's voice

Aside from the fact that Yusuph has not really sang, I think MTN are using Yusuph to make money. I stand to be corrected.

I have scanned some of the recent posts. I will make a few comments

1) Someone mentioned Pascal's wager. Unfortunately, that person (acclaimed atheist) was the first person to mention it here. That notwithstanding, If other theories as proposed by same Pascal was accept in scientific fields, where would you want to reject this particular proposition?

2)Some have mentioned the fact of morality and from whence it can be derived. My thoughts are simple. Object morality can only be derived and must be valid in all conditions. As an example, F=ma is valid in all systems. Even quantum mechanically, Hamiltonians are proposed with respect to a particles equation of motion. That said, it's impossible for you to live in a world where there's ONLY subjective morality. What I mean by this is simple. What might be immoral to you, could turn out to be moral for me. A lion preys on a Zebra in the wild, if the lion doesn't see any reason to feel bad, what reason do I have not to prey on a fellow human? To the Lion, he's just getting his meal, to the Zebra, he's being made food. Life in the wild continues. Man needs an OBJECTIVE source of morality which can't be obtained in the Lab, in parliament or in the street.

3) I have observed the view of most people here is an expectation of a being in the flesh as God, a God who constantly interferes in the affairs of men. Where was God when so and so people were murdered? What did God do when so and so PERSON did so and so. While this still borders on my second point above, it is pertinent to know that God is outside the concept of spacetime therefore trying to understand him using the principles governing this part of spacetime is an exercise in futility.

I also see beyond this particular question, a people who would prefer being robots controlled by God, with him determining everything they do. It's hard to believe that's the kind of life you would want. Same people have the ability to have this discussion are the ones expecting God to interfere in everything Hmmmmm


I rest my case for now

What kind of morality do you refer to? A subjective one or an objective one?

Why bother being good at all?
1. I know what it feels like to be harmed or cheated or lied to, so I empathize with others and try not to harm, cheat, or lie to them.
2. When my empathy is overwhelmed by my own selfishness or greed, I get real human consequences from those around me.
3. Like most people, I want to be liked and respected by those around me, not held in contempt.
4. I don’t want to be looking over my shoulder to see if those I’ve hurt are coming after me. If I treat people well, I can relax.
5. The cooperation and goodwill of those people around me makes my life easier.
6. I have self-respect, which is based in part on how I treat others.
7. I don’t want to be punished for breaking the rules of the society in which I live.
8. I can’t really ask others to behave morally if I don’t behave morally myself.
Some reasons are lofty and some are down to earth. Some may also be in the Bible, but they don’t rely on scripture or God they simply make sense. I can figure them out. In fact, moral development experts say most people figure out the ethical principles that make for a moral life not from books or teachers but through their own interactions with others on the playground, on sports teams, in their families, and in other social groups before they’re out of elementary school. These principles don’t guarantee my good behavior, but neither does any religious doctrine. In both cases, whenever a person loses his or her moral sense, plenty of other people and social institutions are willing to straighten that person out. Everyone makes moral decisions large and small a hundred times a day.And when those decisions are made well, everyone benefits.

Quite conflicted IMHO. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

seankay:
Religion has lots of flaws and also impede the Religious ones from having a profound reasoning. I stopped being a Christian although I still believe in a Supreme Being but I reject Religion

Aptly responded to

Proffdada:
yet you believe wormholes are portals, right?

The Parable of the Madman

Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: "I am looking for God! I am looking for God!"
As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.

"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."

Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still travelling - it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves."

It has been further related that on that same day the madman entered divers churches and there sang a requiem. Led out and quietened, he is said to have retorted each time: "what are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchres of God?"

For the guys, the best voices so far have been Eli (this might just be Ghana's time finally), Pere, Kitay and perhaps Dapo
For the ladies, too close to call. Since Favour left, competition has dropped.

My opinion, Favour was not saved cause she's a stronger voice. In simpler form, the contestants who saved Dapo only improved their chances of winning the competition.

Favour, just one competition gone. Pure business, no hard feelings.

Good for the contestants, poor for the show.

Unfortunately, he ain't the only MOG in Nigeria, nor in the world that teaches about tithing. What's your beef with him? What's the beef of Nigerians with him this week If you don't attended his church or subscribe to his teachings, you don't have to try impose it on everyone.

If the thing vex you, go start your own gathering and teach against tithing, or better still give them money for free.


This is an investment thread. Leave it be like that.

manie:
There is nothing religious in that, the Man of God said the only way to escape and overcome the economic meltdown and maybe stock-market meltdown in Nigeria is through the payment of tithes and offerings.
It is an economic, financial and investment advice for those who believe in it.

Thanks boss. Though not so interactive, I will make do with it

kentoto:
Bro, sorry market is slow,
Check out trwstockbrokers.com

Nobody has been able to respond to my request. It seems everyone here and in Nigeria are fundamental analyst. Hmmmmmm

If ANYONE knows of ANY PLATFORM where technical analysis of the NSE can be made, please avail it to me ooooooooo. Na beg dey beg.

Hello people,

I just got registered with Morgan Capital. I however thought there will be an electronic portal for live charting which I have not seen. My question then is, are there any platforms where one can monitor the NSE using charts (Technical analysis)? Can someone recommend any here?

Best regards

I am not intent on convincing you, I am intent on engaging in an intelligent discuss about the God matter or not and none of you "normal people needing convincing" wants that. Y'all have been asking for a proof.

neoapocalypse:
Not at all , the atheist shouldn't even be called an atheist , we are just normal people who need to be convinced that a supreme being exist and you guys have been doing a terrible job at that.

Then I guess you atheistic stance (if any) is simply conflicting. You need to be clear.

neoapocalypse:
We never even said there's no God until you came to announce that there's a supreme being.

I am a pro God exist.

I never at any time mentioned that my proof does come only from the Bible.

How I came about it? I thought you made a wrong generalization and I brought it to your attention. How did I (specifically) come about it that you didn't like? I guess you also assumed that I am probably only emotional in my belief? Well, whereas, I am emotional, I am also logical. You just needed to engage me in the discussion.

@bolded, Wrong definition

atheist
ˈeɪθɪɪst/
noun
noun: atheist; plural noun: atheists

a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

I pushed the burden of proof to the atheist because over time, throughout history, it's being the norm that the burden of proof be placed on the theist by the atheist. I think that should stop. My reason for saying "since you don't accept my proposal of the existence of a God, then you should give me your evidence against". Perhaps, if your argument is strong, objective and undeniable, we could all agree to establish your argument. The theists are still waiting.

freshcvvs:
And you have empirical, undeniable or objective evidence that your idea of a God exist? the "god exist" theory came first, so they should prove it does and not because of some books (theory).

Well maybe we haven't had any, but i quoted you because you were of the assertion of an existing God? which other discussion do i need to know that you are a pro-God which i am not against, just against the way you came about it.

Telling an atheist to prove there is no God is a funny way of proving that there is.

Theist - There is a God
Atheist- I don't believe you.

Shouldn't the first give reasons why the second should believe and not push the "proving" to the second? you came first with the logic of God so why push it to the person against your assertion?

@ First bolded ,quickly I will assume you are positing that learning and science jumped into existence in this dispensation.

OneManLegion:
There's no solid evidence of how we came into sentience except those of archaic papysuses and scrolls penned by unlearned, unscientific and superstitious people which, we mustnt forget, is chock-full of contradictions, fantastic stories and outright fallacies.

Needless to say, the sayings of this book and its likes can't be accepted by learned folks who have been exposed to the knowledge unraveled by science.

On this premise, I can, with confidence, say that it is the theist who claims that such a thing as "A God" exists and upon them will the onus lie to prove the validity of that assertion thereby shifting the burden of proof from the theists to the atheists, no?

The first bolded. You need objective, undeniable, empirical evidence (and please not theory) that God doesn't exist.

@Second bolded, Without having any discussion on the topic with me, you already made your conclusion about me. That is very intelligent of you.

freshcvvs:
LOL, simple logic, how do you prove what you know doesn't exist? who should prove it exist?

I don't have money, you claimed i do, okay, show me the money. not that i don't believe in God, but not the way some of you push the God thing. too lame.

Great you accept that you are the one countering my statement, more reason you should show proof against my thought of "water in jar".

Burden of proof will be on me if you come to me saying "What's your proof of water in the jar?". However, if you say "No, there's no water in the jar, then it's up to you to proof me wrong".

Kapish

freshcvvs:
You said there is water in the jar, I said there is none, who should prove that there is water? Me or you?

Well, the theist believes in the existence of a self-sustaining, uncreated being - God. The a-theist says impossible. How can one in his intelligence say there is a God. IMHO, the atheist is the one making the assertion. The burden of proof lies on you. The trick has always been to place the burden of proof on the unlearned theist. Why not take initiative and lay down your objective proof. Don't pass the buck.

OneManLegion:
Lol. No, ma'am. In law, there's an aphorism, "he who asserts must prove."

If that aphorism is anything to go by, you're the one who needs to prove the existence of God and you must do this with solid evidences that are verifiable and can be subjected to perusal by objective, disinterested folks.

Presuppositions and Misconceptions? Please point them out bro.

davien:
I hate to bust your bubble but that quote is an Internet joke to atheists today, too many empty presuppositions and misconceptions..

First encountered it as a Christian on thunderf00t videos on YouTube before becoming an atheist.

I wish, and really so wish there's a thread for intelligent, scholarly and empirical discussion on this matter. I am a theist, and I don't shy away from intellectual discussion with atheist or agnostics whatsoever.

Meanwhile, I will drop one of my favourite quotes that addresses the thoughts of atheists on the issue of good and evil. Listen to Ravi Zacharias

"A common objection to the existence of God goes something like this: "There cannot be a God, because there is too much evil in this world."
Here's the problem with that objection. When you say there's too much evil in this world you assume there's good. When you assume there's good, you assume there's such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. But if you assume a moral law, you must posit a moral Law Giver, but that's Who you're trying to disprove and not prove. Because if there's no moral Law Giver, there's no moral law. If there's no moral law, there's no good. If there's no good, there's no evil."

Peace out for now

Your acceptance of the existence of a supreme being disqualifies you from being an atheist. Hope you know that??

Mikollon1:
Do you not think you are poisoning your kids minds by lying to them that Jesus is real? If you are discerning, you'll know that the bible is for mind control. There's a supreme being but there's no heaven, hell or a second coming.

OP, I hope you read this.

This is coming from a Nigerian student studying Physics in Germany. One thing stands out in your piece, you said he's well read and I guess it's just not about his medical profession. I hazard a guess that he reads a lot about Atheism and the arguments pitched against the existence of a Supreme being. Based on this premise, I will give you a simple advise.

While you are praying for him, attempt to engage him also in scholarly discussions about the existence of God. As much as the Holy Spirit is the one who does the conviction, there have been people who were brought to God based on accurate logical scholarly discussions (they were at least opened up to the possibility by discussion). I will immediately recommend this book to you "On Guard" by William Lane Craig. I have undergone a study about the book in my years here of study and I can assure you that if you can locate and read this book, you will be able to engage your hubby in a way he's definitely open to at the moment - Academic discussion.

If you can't get the book, you can visit his website http://www.reasonablefaith.org/. There you can get different materials, discussion and debates William has had with world renowned scholars coming from differing scientific fields. And the good thing is, he always Wins. The website also has resources for kids. http://www.reasonablefaith.org/apologetics-resources-for-your-children. You can ensure your kids have a look at it. They also can get equipped. It's all about more knowledge.

There exist also so many Christian apologetic ministers. Another Guy I will recommend is Ravi Zacharias. Very good passionate guy.

All the best

yolandy:
I have been around here for a while. I just created this new id to relate my problems here.

My husband of over 6 years has now become an outspoken atheist. He has been one all along but he has been keeping it on the low. He opened up to me and told me 3 years after we got married. I was shocked but there was nothing I could do. He wasn't really a religious person before we got married and I wasn't as well(I was much more religious than him even at that time). I began to take my religion very seriously after we got married. Now I have an amazing relatioship with God. I take it very seriously, and I put God first in my life. My husband does not. He doesn't rub his atheism on my face, we don't talk about religion, even when we do, it is always me that brings it up but, he sometimes listens and sometimes dismiss what I am saying with a wave of hand or with a laugh. He is a very good man and an excellent husband, he takes very good care of me and my 2 kids, he loves us to death, and does his duty as a father and a husband excellently. I can't wish for a better man.

He is not the type to engage in and argument over religion because he is very smart and always wins. I have seen 3 people engage him and they ended up losing the argument to him. He is widely read and cleaver so I can't even go into an argument with him. His mind is already made up. The problem I have right now is that he is becoming outspoken about his unbelief, back in the days he just keeps it to himself, these days I see him openly mocking and deriding pastors, believers, and anything that has to do with religion and I am not comfortable with that. Last week his elder brother had a heart attack(we live in the same estate), while his brother's wife and family were praying for him, my husband who is a doctor came and told them to shut up and allow him do what he can, he said instead of wasting their time praying to an imaginary God they should go and get the car ready to take him to the hospital because taking him to the hospital is what will save his life not some empty prayers to an imaginary God. Every body was shocked. His actions like these get me very worried. He is now very open about his unbelief and uses it to mock people that come to talk to him about God or religion. Most people I know now dislike him greatly for his unbelief. Rumors are circulating that he is in a secret cult. My pastor and friends in church don't like him. His family dislike him as well but they can't confront him. People now see me as "the wife of that devil" and I am not comfortable with it at all.

Some days ago I over heard him suggesting to my 6 years old son that the stories in the Bible are mere stories. It started when my son asked him why he doesn't pray together with us. I confronted him and he said he just wanted the boy to know how he feels about the Bible. He then said he will wait for our kids to grow up some more before letting them know his position. But I fear with his present outspoken attitude, he will try to poison their young minds and tell them that all the stories inside the Bible are all lies the way he tells any body that comes his way to either preach to him or engage him in any discussion about religion. We aren't having any problems now but I fear that his increasing outspokenness about his atheism will bring problems in our marriage sooner or later. I just hope he will keep quite and keep everything to himself they way he used to before but he won't. I have talked to him but he won't listen. He doesn't go about telling people that they should become atheist like him, but the way he goes about mocking religion and believers when ever the topic comes up is driving me mad. I really fear for our kids. What if something happens to me? I know my kids will become atheist like him, because he will poison their minds. What do I do now? I am really confused. I need advice from matured minds here. Please this should not be taken to the front page. I just want to read the contributions of the matured minds in here. Thank you