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Christianity EtcRe: A Question For Gray Beard by GrayBeard: 11:54am On Aug 15, 2011
^ Oga pls abeg delete the empty space wey dey for the yansh of ya post . . . . becos na as dat space take dey empty, na so some people dem spiritual life dey count from zero to zero, zero times a da.

Nursery rhyme ke? Bros you stooopid o. You norr even shame to the expose ya ignorance for hia. See as you just carry ibako begin dey nack ya head inside market. na generational curse abi wetin?

That verse describes atmospheric circulation. and yes, very poetically so.

but i guess poetry is not for dim witted barbarians, is it?
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For Gray Beard by GrayBeard: 11:41am On Aug 15, 2011
Believe me, the above are just a FEW, of the hundreds of prophecies. But I am going to pause here to avoid monotony.
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For Gray Beard by GrayBeard: 11:39am On Aug 15, 2011

God will never forget the children of Israel
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 49:13-17
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: Throughout history

In Isaiah 49:13-17, the Lord makes it clear that even though the people of Israel are to be exiled from their land, the Lord will never forget them, and the Lord would eventually bring the exiles back to their homeland.

Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago. At about that time, the Assyrians invaded the northern part of the land of Israel and had forced many of the people into exile. More than a century later, the Babylonians conquered the southern part of the land of Israel, bringing an end to sovereignty, destroying Jerusalem and the Temple, and forcing people into exile.

Despite the hardships, verses 15 and 16 remind us that the Lord will never forget the people of Israel. In fact, it says that even if a mother could forget her child, the Lord would not forget his children, for they are "engraved" on the palms of his hands. And, verses 17 and 18 show that the descendants of Israel would return, as they did after the fall of the Babylonian Empire. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 49:13-17:

13 Shout for joy, O heavens; rejoice, O earth; burst into song, O mountains! For the LORD comforts his people and will have compassion on his afflicted ones.

14 But Zion said, "The LORD has forsaken me, the Lord has forgotten me."

15 "Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!

16 See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me.

17 Your sons hasten back, and those who laid you waste depart from you.

The people of Israel will never be completely destroyed
Bible prophecy: Leviticus 26:44
Prophecy written: As early as 1400 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: Throughout history

In Leviticus 26:44, the Bible said that God would never allow the people of Israel to be completely destroyed.

During ancient times, 10 of the 12 Tribes of Israel were decimated by the Assyrians. And the Babylonians later persecuted what was left of the people of Israel. But, instead of assimilating or perishing, some of the people eventually returned to their homeland and recover their way of life.

The recovery was very complete, complete enough that Jerusalem again had been restored as the center of Jewish life. And the followers of Jesus were able to begin a process in Jerusalem by which Christianity later spread throughout the world. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Leviticus 26:44:

Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the Lord their God.

The Jews would survive Babylonian rule and return home
Bible prophecy: Jeremiah 32:36-37
Prophecy written: Sometime between 626-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: 536 BC

Jeremiah was one of the prophets who warned the people of Judah that they would be forced into exile by the Babylonians. In Jeremiah 32:36-37, he prophesies to the people that they will survive that their exile in Babylon and return home.

Babylon had defeated the Assyrians in a decisive battle, ending in 612 B.C., at Nineveh. And then, in 609 B.C., the Babylonians captured the last Assyrian king. The Assyrians had an empire that had included the land of Judah but now the Babylonians had seized control of the empire.

In an effort to show the people of Judah that Babylon was now their new master, they began a process of forcing key residents into exile, as early as 605 B.C. More deportations took place in later years, culminating with the wholesale destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 586 B.C.

Jews began returning to their homeland after the Babylonian Empire was toppled in 539 B.C., by a coalition of Medes and Persians. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Jeremiah 32:36-37:

36 "You are saying about this city, 'By the sword, famine and plague it will be handed over to the king of Babylon'; but this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says:

37 I will surely gather them from all the lands where I banish them in my furious anger and great wrath; I will bring them back to this place and let them live in safety.

The people of Israel would return to "their own land"
Bible prophecy: Ezekiel 34:13
Prophecy written: Between 593-571 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 2600 years ago

Like Jeremiah, the prophet Ezekiel also lived during the time that the Babylonians ruled over the people of Judah, and he too was one of the Jews who were taken to Babylon as captives. In Ezekiel 34:13, he prophesied that God would gather the exiles from the various nations to which they had been scattered and that he would restore them to "their own land." - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Ezekiel 34:13:

I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

Enemies would move into the land of Israel
Bible prophecy: Leviticus 26:32-33
Prophecy written: As early as 1400 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: Beginning in about 721 BC

In Leviticus 26:32-33, as well as in other prophecies of the Bible, we learn that the people of Israel would be persecuted in the nations to which they would be driven during their exile, and that the land of Israel would be in ruins.

Here, though, we also learn that enemies would reside in the land of Israel during and after the time of exile (Leviticus 26:32).

This fulfillment of this prophecy began about 2500 years ago when Jews began returning from their Babylonian exile.

As explained in the Bible's book of Nehemiah, the returning Jews were met with hostility from foreigners who were residing in and around Jerusalem. In the early chapters within the book of Nehemiah, the foreigners taunt the Jews as the Jews seek to rebuild Jerusalem, which had been destroyed earlier by the Babylonians.

Nehemiah confronts the foreigners, telling them that the Jews will be successful in rebuilding their fallen city:

I answered them by saying, "The God of heaven will give us success. We his servants will start rebuilding, but as for you, you have no share in Jerusalem or any claim or historic right to it" (Nehemiah 2:20, NIV translation).

Nehemiah organized an effort to rebuild the walls around Jerusalem and the project was completed in 52 days, as explained in Nehemiah 6:15-16.

Whereas Leviticus 26:32-33 speaks of the punishment through exile and destruction, other verses within the 26th chapter of Leviticus speak of forgiveness and restoration. Nehemiah played an important role in the restoration of the land and people of Israel after the fall of the Babylonian Empire. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Leviticus 26:32-33:

32 I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled.

33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For Gray Beard by GrayBeard: 11:36am On Aug 15, 2011
Babylon would rule Judah for 70 years
Bible prophecy: Jeremiah 25:11-12
Prophecy written: Sometime between 626-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 609 BC to 539 BC

In Jeremiah 25:11-12, the prophet said that the Jews would suffer 70 years of Babylonian domination. Jeremiah also said Babylon would be punished after the 70 years. Both parts of this prophecy were fulfilled. In 609 BC, which is about 2600 years ago, Babylon captured the last Assyrian king and ruled over a vast part of what had been the Assyrian empire, to which the land of Israel previously had been subjugated. Babylon later asserted its dominance by taking many Jews as captives to Babylon, and by destroying Jerusalem and the Temple. The domination ended in 539 BC, when Cyrus, a leader of Persians and Medes, conquered Babylon and brought an end to its empire. Cyrus later offered the captive Jews the freedom to return to their homeland. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Jeremiah 25:11-12:

11 This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

12 "But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the LORD, "and will make it desolate forever.

Babylon's gates would open for Cyrus
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 45:1
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: 539 BC

In Isaiah 45:1, the prophet said God would open the gates of Babylon for Cyrus and his attacking army. Despite Babylon's remarkable defenses, which included moats, and walls that were more than 70-feet thick and 300-feet high, and 250 watchtowers, Cyrus was able to enter the city and conquer it. Cyrus and his troops diverted the flow of the Euphrates River into a large lake basin. Cyrus then was able to march his army across the riverbed and into the city. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 45:1:

"This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

Babylon's kingdom would be overthrown, permanently
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 13:19
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: 539 BC

In Isaiah 13:19, the prophet said Babylon would be overthrown, permanently. History confirms that when Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539 BC, it never again rose to power as an empire. Before the time of Cyrus, however, Babylon had been defeated by the Assyrian Empire but was able to recover and later conquer the Assyrian Empire. However, like Isaiah prophesied 2700 years ago, the Babylonian Empire never recovered from Cyrus' conquest. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 13:19:

Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians' pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Babylon would be reduced to swampland
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 14:23
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: 539 BC

In Isaiah 14:23, the prophet said that Babylon, which had been a world power at two different times in history, would be brought to a humble and final end. It would be reduced to swampland. After Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539 BC, the kingdom never again rose to power. The buildings of Babylon fell into a gradual state of ruin during the next several centuries. Archaeologists excavated Babylon during the 1800s. Some parts of the city could not be dug up because they were under a water table that had risen over the years. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 14:23:

"I will turn her into a place for owls and into swampland; I will sweep her with the broom of destruction," declares the Lord Almighty.
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For Gray Beard by GrayBeard: 11:26am On Aug 15, 2011
Let us start with prophecy.

You will agree with me that humans normally are not able to precisely predict future events. When we come across a person who is able to do so with any degree of precision, we would probably conclude that such a person has certain powers. In no other book in the world do we see such a staggering array of spectacularly fulfilled prophecy. The bible’s array of fulfilled prophecy is a living testament to its authorship – for only one having a full view of past, current and future time – such as God, could have provided such outstanding prophetic authorship.

As we proceed, I will set out various undeniable prophecies which were fulfilled in astonishing detail.

I have procured a list online -

Daniel predicted the four great kingdoms
Bible prophecy: Daniel 2:32-33
Prophecy written: About 530 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: Throughout history

In Daniel 2:32-33, there is a prophetic passage that symbolically identified the four great kingdoms that would rise up and control much of world, beginning in Daniel's lifetime. The passage uses symbolic imagery:

1. The head of gold, as Daniel explained, refers to the Babylonian Empire that ruled much of the world about 2600 years ago.

2. Daniel said that the head-of-gold empire would be followed by an empire symbolized by arms of silver. Christian scholars have often interpreted this to refer to the Medo-Persian Empire which later conquered the Babylonian Empire. The scholars say that the two arms refer to the two groups - the Medes and the Persians - who comprised the Medo-Persian Empire.

3. The third kingdom was symbolized by the statue's belly and thighs of brass. Some scholars believe that this is a reference to the Grecian Empire, which conquered the Medo-Persian Empire. The symbol of a belly and thighs of brass suggests that the kingdom was to start out as a united empire but end up as a divided empire. Under the leadership of Alexander the Great, the Grecian Empire was a united empire. But after Alexander's death, the empire was divided up.

4. The fourth symbol - that of iron legs and feet that were part iron and part clay - has often been suggested to be a reference to the Roman Empire, which later conquered the Grecian Empire.

These four kingdoms ruled over much of the world, and each of the four ruled over the land of Israel during times in which a significant number of Jews - and perhaps a majority of Jews - were living in their homeland. Before the collapse of the Roman Empire, Jerusalem was destroyed and hundreds of thousands of Jews were forced into exile. Even today, a majority of Jews live outside of Israel. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Daniel 2:32-33:

32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,

33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.

Edom would be toppled and humbled
Bible prophecy: Jeremiah 49:16
Prophecy written: Sometime between 626-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 100 BC

In Jeremiah 49:16, the prophet said that Edom, a long-time enemy of Israel, would be destroyed. Edom's capital city, Petra, was carved out of a mountain side and had great natural defenses. Nonetheless, it was destroyed and the kingdom of Edom no longer exists. Today, Petra is part of Jordan. The city was conquered by the Romans in the year 106 AD but flourished again shortly after that. A rival city, Palmyra, eventually took most of the trade away from Petra and Petra began to decline. Petra gradually fell into ruin. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Jeremiah 49:16:

The terror you inspire and the pride of your heart have deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks, who occupy the heights of the hill. Though you build your nest as high as the eagle's, from there I will bring you down," declares the Lord.

Egypt would never again rule over nations
Bible prophecy: Ezekiel 29:15
Prophecy written: Between 593-571 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: Since the time of Ezekiel about 2500 years ago

In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is again an independent nation, and it has always been an impressive nation. But since the time of Ezekiel, it no longer rules over other nations. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Ezekiel 29:15:

… I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations.

The Jews would avenge the Edomites
Bible prophecy: Ezekiel 25:14
Prophecy written: Between 593-571 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 100 BC

In Ezekiel 25:14, the prophet said that the Jews would one day take vengeance on Edom, a nation that had often warred with the Jews. When Ezekiel delivered this prophecy, he and many other Jews were living as captives in Babylon. They didn't have control of their own country, let alone anyone else's. But, about 400 years later, Jews regained independence for Jerusalem and the surrounding area during the "Hasmonaean Era or Period." During this time, the Jewish priest-king John Hyrcanus I defeated the Edomites. According to the Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition: "Edomite history was marked by continuous hostility and warfare with Jews… At the end of the second century B.C., they were subdued by Hasmonaean priest-king John Hyrcanus I…" - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Ezekiel 25:14:

I will take vengeance on Edom by the hand of my people Israel, and they will deal with Edom in accordance with my anger and my wrath; they will know my vengeance, declares the Sovereign Lord.'"


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Christianity EtcRe: A Question For Gray Beard by GrayBeard: 11:25am On Aug 15, 2011
There is one more factor I did not list:

5. Scientific accuracy.

I will address this first so as to get it out of the way. The fact is that there are so many astonishing scientific details that could not possibly have been known by the men of those days. Many of those details were only discovered by regular science in more advanced times many many centuriues later. Most of them have to do with cosmology and the Earth, and only a being with oversight over all these could have mediated such information to bible writers.

A brief list of such scientific details which no one of the time could possibly have known are –

 Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)

 Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9)

 Law of conservation of mass and energy (II Peter 3:7)

 Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7)

 Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22)

 Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27)

 Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11)

 Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6)

 Gravitational field (Job 26:7)

Bros, if you can find a way to explain away one or two instances, will yuou be so delusional as to deny that ALL the instances taken together, point clearly to a source of knowledge not available in those times?

We will discuss these in detail later. There is also much more. But let us for now start with prophecy.
PoliticsRe: Beaf: Is There Anything Jonathan Has Done Wrong? by GrayBeard(op): 9:32am On Aug 15, 2011
Where is Beaf? We are still awaiting you to graciously provide us with a list of the wrong things you think Jonathan has done, in order to show you are objective?
Christianity EtcRe: What did Muhammad say about Satan? by GrayBeard: 9:29am On Aug 15, 2011
Make we norr deceive oursef - MUHAMMAD NA SHAITAN
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For Gray Beard by GrayBeard: 9:27am On Aug 15, 2011
mazaje:
What evidence do you have to show that Christianity is not a man made religions like all the other religions out there?. . . .
I have alot of evidence that Christianity is a unique religion and that it is of God.

I will use the following arguments to prove the authenticity of the bible -

1. Prophecy

2. Archaelogy

3. Corroboration

4. Survival

We can take them one at a time

What evidence do you have that what ever it is that is responsible of the existence of the universe is male, speaks the human language and inspired men to write the bible. . .?
God is sexless. That he is called "he" in the bible is just a question of language. Also it is not that he speaks trhe human language. It is rather that he can make himself understood in any fashion and to any creature including huimans

Abeg, if we go yarn better yarn for this thread, u must promise me say you go commot ya brain from ya yansh, you hia?>
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Truly Exist? I Am Dumbfounded by GrayBeard: 9:21am On Aug 15, 2011
mazaje:
This man clearly does not know what he is talking about, is it not the same bible and its  god that you are promoting that is written to have suspended the laws of the universe you are talking about? according to the bible Yahweh, suspended the laws of the universe by making the sun to stand so that his chosen men can finish off their enemies. . . he was written to have suspended the laws of the universe by making sure that Daniel, Shadrack, Men shack and Abednigo survived inside a very hot furnace. . . .

Any God that can do such great feat can very easily restore the limbs of amputees, no? Or is your God only powerful in the pages of story books? remember Jesus said that who ever believe in him can preform greater wonders than him and according to the stories written about him he was able to restore the amputated ears of a solider that came to arrest him. . . .Will you prove us wrong and shut us up for ever by praying to god to heal my amputated friend and restore his limbs or will you continue speaking in tongues?. . . .
Look at this illiterate. . . .so a longer period of daytime amounts to changing the laws of the universe! How foolish and shallow you are. Is it simply because the bible records it as "the sun standing still". . . . . how else do you want an ancient writer to record it? Use ya brain at least for a few seconds a day na?

For heaven's sake we have longer and shorter days all over the world even up till now! So what the big deal for God to facilitate a longer day in one instance? That certainly needs no breaking of any law! And you talk about protecting people from burning in a furnance. . . haba, even mankind can do fire-proof na?

Abeg commot ya brain from inside ya yansh before you come dey follow me dey yarn
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Truly Exist? I Am Dumbfounded by GrayBeard: 9:11am On Aug 15, 2011
Kay 17:
@graybeard, suddenly he's interestd in definitions! But they are important. I define miracles as extreme odds overcoming all to occur. The prominent religious definition is a suspension of natural laws for deux machina to occur. Thus from cancer disappearing to dwarfs growing taller. So the healing of amputees is on that list.
SHARRRAAAAPPPP DIA! "Its unfortunate i cannoit reply becos i am typing from a plate of indomie noodles which resembles my brain. . . . ." Ewu, go back to eating yam, noodles are not for goats, olodo!

Can you contradict what i wrote? Is it intelligent for you to expect a God who personifies law, to begin to break the same laws in the name of miracles?

Olodo oshi.

YOU NORR INTELLIGENT AT ALL ONE KOBO!

Look at what you are resorting to. . . .because u norr get point now, i be sagamite? LOL!
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Truly Exist? I Am Dumbfounded by GrayBeard: 8:41pm On Aug 14, 2011
All dis is just kindegarten spagetti reasoning.

Take eye read wetin you post - e just resemble indomie noodles wey no get maggi inside. E no get shape, e no gat form, na just olodo talk wey you dey write dia.

You norr get shame?

Start with this kewshun -

Do you expect the creator of the universe to be a lawless being? If the universe is governed by laws, then the creator must be the personification of those laws. As such asking dumbass questions which fixate on fantastical miracles ignoring the laws of creation instituted by the creator is just plain illiterate.

Ya brain dey inside ya yansh
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 8:24pm On Aug 14, 2011
1. You said violence in islam is the same as in xtianity.
2. u said there there is no basis for xtianity etc,

start with these. . . .frame ur questions as u please
PoliticsRe: Too Early To Judge Jonathan: Says Abati - Wtf? by GrayBeard: 8:20pm On Aug 14, 2011
^^^ Honestly, it is too bad. Imagine him saying that GEJ has no responsibility for his presidency from May 2010 - May 2011, because it "was not his manifesto" in force then?

The guy needs to get his brain out of his quadripeltuc granmmama's ar.se hole!
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Truly Exist? I Am Dumbfounded by GrayBeard: 8:13pm On Aug 14, 2011
Akata boys -

Define what you understand by miracle. Let us start from there. I norr wan derail thread, make una open thread wit ya kweshuns, i go ansa them all.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 8:11pm On Aug 14, 2011
Coward. U no fit open thread becos u know say i go sammer u dia. why you dey fear?
Christianity EtcRe: 80 Babies In 5 Days!: Pastor Adeboye by GrayBeard: 8:10pm On Aug 14, 2011
I tire o. Pastor-bashing has become a reflex action for dis place
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Truly Exist? I Am Dumbfounded by GrayBeard: 8:06pm On Aug 14, 2011
Why you dey run na? Open thread, monkey oshi. Ya head like indomie noodles. akata man wey dey think like mascara. for ya dictionary, miracle na impossible tins? Open thread, make i see u na.

I go take BAZOOKA blow you comot if you try am. OLodo rabata roboto.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 8:02pm On Aug 14, 2011
Abeg na u start am. . . . like say u be real man, oya, go open thread na?

I go DESTROY you with BAZOOKA dia, just try am.

Christianity is complete and accurate.
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Truly Exist? I Am Dumbfounded by GrayBeard: 7:56pm On Aug 14, 2011
See dis akata boys o, which kain nonsense kweshun be dis na? Abi una norr get brain? See as una just dey open yansh for national assembly dey drop very black black sh.it dem on top honorable senators head. Abi una norr get respect? see as ya leg dey twisted like omogobiobio. that tin wey dey scracth una brain don start again abi? i don warn u before say make u dey stop that igbo wey u dey smoke, but u norr gree. . , . . .

like say u get sense u for know say God dey work according to divine law. . . . .divine law na im create human being, so moracle no go dey wey go carry leg match on top of the head of divine law


una be akata bois o
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:49pm On Aug 14, 2011
Wia dat useless small boi Idehn, come follow me ansa kweshun -

Gray Beard:
@ iDEHN.

How do you explain conscious mind and purposefulness? that is something that does not rhyme with the idea that there is no conscious God
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:45pm On Aug 14, 2011
mazaje:
And which evidence do you have to show that an entity called satan inspired the writing of the koran?
Ha, go and read it, and you will know say na BABANLA demon write koran.

Muslims believe that satan also decieved the writers of the bible to distort the truth, no?
Muslims are a bunch of plagiarist FOOOOOLS. . . .

Ohh, really? But the largest sect of the Christian faith(Catholics are also idol worshipers, no?)
Yes, catholics are idol worshippers, they have got it all wrong. . . . they have lost the way of the gospel. in fact, e don tey way dem don derail. Hundreds of years ago.

By the way Christianity is idol worshiping according to the over 70 percent of the world's population that do not accept its stories and doctrine, no?

According to the belief you have been indoctrinated with or according to reality?. . . .
Look, if you norr take time, i go abuse you wella well well wellest. Whish kain brain you get sef? Efritin wey you write just resemble indomie noodles. osanobua, make una helep me see dis kain boy o.

Norr carry ya granmama foolishness derail dis thread. if u get problem wit Jesus, open thread, i go sammer you dia.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:38pm On Aug 14, 2011
Idehn:
I am not providing a rebuttal the concept of God. No where in our conversation has the God concept as you defined using Websters even come up. It has always just been "something else" not God.

I am making an argument that all the premises/theories on the table, point just as easily to a Universe that has always existed in some form/state. My personal speculations of the nature of the Universe prior to the big ba.ng does not change validity of my arguments. Disregard them if you are so inclined.

A universe that has always existed necessarily satisfies the premise that something cannot come from nothing.

If X is something, then it must have always been something.
The simple summary of our argument is that you say that the universe may always have existed, and that that will satisfy the problem of something coming from nothing. I disagree because the premise of something and nothing proves that the universe must have originated from something external to itself. The law of cause and effect proves this, as nothing in this world can be its own cause. That is what makes sense, and that is what makes your whole argument m.o.r.o.n.i.c
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:34pm On Aug 14, 2011
mazaje:
Christians have killed uncountable people to in the name of the bible and Yahweh,no?. . .Islam is just 1600 years old. . .When Christianity was 1600 years old, the thing that comes to mind is violent acts the like crusades witch trials and the inquisition. . . .There is no act of violence that is being committed in the name of Islam that has not been committed in the name of Christianity. . .Study your history book pls. One of the greatest crimes against humanity the holocaust was carried out by Christians on the Jews. . . . . .
Norr make i yab u o! Hitler na christian? ?? ? ?

OIlodo rabata roboto
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Truly Exist? I Am Dumbfounded by GrayBeard: 7:31pm On Aug 14, 2011
He was mocking God with the question about amputteees. The bible says thou shalt not tempt the lord thy God.
PoliticsRe: Beaf: Is There Anything Jonathan Has Done Wrong? by GrayBeard(op): 7:29pm On Aug 14, 2011
1 years plus on the job with no single achievement in any sector of Governement. (I dare you to name one achievement he made in his 1 year plus in office).
For this one, Beaf's answer in another thread is that the manifesto then was the manifesto of Yaradua, so GEJ could nbot change it, and therefore has NO responsibility for the whole of that period while he was president!

Delicious reasoning! Abracadabra!

Anyway, let uis not put him on defensive mode, otherwise he will not come out to list the things he thinks GEJ has done wrong.

Beaf, we are still waiting for ytour list of GEJs wrong deeds.

Thx
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:20pm On Aug 14, 2011
@ iDEHN.

How do you explain conscious mind and purposefulness? that is something that does not rhyme with the idea that there is no conscious God
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:18pm On Aug 14, 2011
^ islam is evil! make we talk am as e be!
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:17pm On Aug 14, 2011
Na muslim family cut dis girl nose because she run commot from husband wey dem force am to marry. in fact na her own brothers hold her for ground, make the husband cut her nose like dis - -

Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:10pm On Aug 14, 2011
mazaje:
According to who? Which God appeared to you and told you personally that the Koran and the Hindu Vedas are not his word but the bible?. . . .Christianity is a pagan religion as far as over 70 percent of the world population are concerned, no?. . . .
Aneg bros, norr blaspeheme. Blood of Jesus. Ftaher forgive him for he know not what he say.

Koran na demonic book. Na shaitan inspire am. Hindu na idol.

Jesus Christ remains the only legitimate fiogure amongst all these religions
Christianity EtcRe: Atheists Do Not Reject Your God. by GrayBeard: 7:05pm On Aug 14, 2011
de summary is that you have your own theory, and there is nothing within that theory that rebutts the concept of God.

rather it is obvious since there is cause and effect, and since nothing causes itself, that something external to the universe must have caused it.

FINITO!

U urself have said it all in these words -

I can only speculate
abeg, no force us to accept ya speculation as fact, okay?

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