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Idehn: If you agree that se.x is multipurpose, why can the use of sexual/general organs not also be multipurpose? After all what exactly is wrong with oral se.x?



Again, you are just appealing to emotion instead of actually making a case for why these things are unnatural and why nature should be the basis for what is right and what is wrong. My definition of natural is consistent. There is nothing in nature that forbids bestiality/necrophilia/cannibalism/murder/rape etc. . .. If there was they would never happen in the first place. Please remember however, that I am not equating what is natural with what is good. Hurricanes,earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, volcanoes, and famine are natural too, but that does not necessarily make them good(or bad). Or from a more biological point of view diseases/viruses to be unnatural? Do you consider death to be unnatural even though as you say our biological prerogative is survival and self preservation?

Regardless you bring up the age old is/ought problem common to arguments from nature. It is quite difficult to say "X" ought not occur and when there "X" is staring you in the face. All I am saying is if you are going to say nature is against "X", then "X" better not occur in nature.

^^^ Is there anything that you regard as perverse? If so, why.

And if all things are natural, on what basis would anything be classified as perverse.

What if the pain is critical?

As far as I am concerned, based on the evidence that was adduced in court, this man had absolutely nothing to do with the killing of Kudirat Abiola

When I heard that Major Hamza Al Mustapha was convicted of murder and sentenced to hanging by a Lagos High Court yesterday afternoon I was utterly shocked, saddened and disgusted. And let me tell you why. I was one of those that opposed the late General Sani Abacha's government and fought against Al Mustapha and co. with every fibre of my being during the NADECO days. Given that, if anything, I should have been rejoicing with the many other NADECO leaders, supporters and stalwarts who honestly believe that Al-Mustapha actually ordered the death of our wonderful heroine Alhaja Kudirat Abiola and who believe that he deserves to die as a consequence of it.

However I am not rejoicing with them simply because as far as I am concerned, based on the evidence that was adduced in court, this man had absolutely nothing to do with the killing of Kudirat Abiola. I believe that whatever we do we must always operate within the law and there is no place for the expression of unfettered emotions, vendetta or jungle justice in a civilised country when it comes to the administration of justice. I have been following this case closely for the last four years and I have publicly called for the release of Al Mustapha on a number of occasions simply because I found it shameful and unjust that the state could lock up a man in a dungeon for 13 years without being able to prove a case against him.

By doing that, they have already almost ruined his life yet there is a presumption of innocence in our law. Now the state has gone even a step further in this whole unsavoury and disgraceful episode and they have convicted a man to hang for something that he knew nothing about simply because they want to silence him and stop him from exposing the truth about the role that many of the high and mighty played in the death of Abacha, MKO Abiola and many others. They want to jail and kill Mustapha just as they have jailed and killed so many other innocent men that came before him. Let me make this clear- I hold no brief and I have no sympathy whatsoever for the Abacha government that Al-Mustapha served and neither do I seek to defend their actions whilst in office.

The truth is that they committed many atrocities and till today many find it hard to forgive them for those atrocities. Many of our people in the south-west were killed, locked up and driven into exile by that government as was the late General Shehu Musa Yar'adua and many others from other parts of Nigeria. I myself had to leave the country and go into exile in Ghana in 1996 because of them and I never thought that I would ever return to Nigeria again. Yet, despite all that, I cannot allow my bitterness and anger with the Abacha regime to becloud my reasoning and sense of justice that I would support or applaud a case of what would essentially be judicial murder.

Yes Abacha's government and even Mustapha himself, as a consequence of his unflinching loyalty to his boss, committed atrocities and violated the rights of many but does that mean that we should do the same to them? Do two wrongs make a right? Are we all to descend into the pit of slaying the innocent and punishing their families simply because we must have our pound of flesh and even where there is no tangible evidence to justify such a course of action? I challenge those that doubt me to look at the evidence and to study the judgement closely as I have done. It is wickedness and it is a travesty of justice. Worse still it sends the wrong signal to an already tense nation that is fraught with regional, north/south and christian/muslim tensions. This absurd judgement could not have come at a worse time and I have little doubt that the Boko Haramites amongs us (whether it be the overt or covert ones) will make quite a song and dance of it.

Thankfully Al Mustapha has the right to appeal but the implication of that is that this man's enemies have virtually destroyed his life already and left him with no hope because, unless he is granted bail pending that appeal, he will be struggling with it from the dingy dungeons of Kirikiri prison all the way to the Supreme Court for the next ten years. That is the Nigerian state and ''system'' for you. When you are loyal to your leader, when you speak out in his defence, when you defend him with your life and when you tell the world the truth they come at you with everything that they have got and seek to jail or kill you for it once that leader is no longer in power or is no longer alive. One thing is clear though- those that seek to hang Al Mustapha and silence him forever have forgotten the God factor. They have forgotten that there is a God of justice and mercy who still rules in the affairs of men and who forges the destiny of nations.

For my old adversary and new friend Major Hamza Al Mustapha I will not beg any mortal for mercy and neither will I plead for him. I will only pray to the Living God that if truly this man is innocent, as I earnestly and honestly believe that he is, then he should be eventually freed and completely vindicated. This is especially so because something tells me that our country will still need him. God's ways are not ours and only He sees and knows the hidden things that lie ahead. It is not Al Mustapha that we should weep for, it is Nigeria.

Finally let me restate my position clearly for all to see and for posterity to take note of. I believe that Hamza Al Mustapha is innocent of this crime. As far as I am aware there is absolutely no evidence against him and the only person that said that he ordered him to go and kill the late Kudirat Abiola (Sergeant Barnabas Jabilla) has long since recanted and said that he was induced and compelled to give that false evidence by the authorities. In any civilised country that would have been the end of it but not in Nigeria. In Nigeria it is a case of ''we must get him at all costs'' even if it means bending the law and influencing the courts. One has to ask whether, as a people, we have any fear of God? Is there any justice in Nigeria? Is there any fairness? Can we ever rely on the courts to do the right thing when the state determines to punish an innocent man for his perceived sins against the powers that be?

I am fed up and disgusted with the sort of things that go on in this country when it comes to such matters and I just cannot understand how Nigerians are so comfortable with such injustice and wickedness being meted out to their compatriots. Do they not know that tomorrow it could be them or a member of their family? On this matter I stand by Al Mustapha shoulder to shoulder just as I do with every other innocent person that has been unfairly charged to court for political reasons and who has suffered persecution at the hands of a relentless and vicious state that have no fear of God.

This country just has to change. God's wrath is stirred up by such wickedness and insensitivity. You lock up an innocent man for 13 years in the most horrific conditions for something that he did not do, you delay his trial, you wrongly convict him where there is clearly no evidence to justify it and now you want to hang him? God is not asleep Nigeria. Unless God wills it, Hamza Al Mustapha will not hang and ultimately he will be vindicated. My prayers are for him and for his family at this difficult time. God bless Nigeria

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Hilarity again!

Iyansh Witch

My question to you is when will this bombing end

I dont think anybody takes Beaf seriously any more. He is the king off faeces-licking sycophants.

I really wonder how childish some people can be. u say u want God to show his face. what do you really imagine God is? A physical thing? That is just like asking sometin like gravity to show its face to u. na wah, see stupidity, dis olodo atheists sef

 Campaign into Israel by Pharaoh Shishak (1 Kings 14:25-26), recorded on the walls of the Temple of Amun in Thebes, Egypt.

 Revolt of Moab against Israel (2 Kings 1:1; 3:4-27), recorded on the Mesha Inscription.

 Fall of Samaria (2 Kings 17:3-6, 24; 18:9-11) to Sargon II, king of Assyria, as recorded on his palace walls.

 Defeat of Ashdod by Sargon II (Isaiah 20:1), as recorded on his palace wall.

 Campaign of the Assyrian king Sennacherib against Judah (2 Kings 18:13-16), as recorded on the Taylor Prism.

 Siege of Lachish by Sennacherib (2 Kings 18:14, 17), as recorded on the Lachish reliefs.

 Assassination of Sennacherib by his own sons (2 Kings 19:37), as recorded in the annals of his son Esarhaddon.

 Fall of Nineveh as predicted by the prophets Nahum and Zephaniah (2:13-15), recorded on the Tablet of Nabopolasar.

 Fall of Jerusalem to Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon (2 Kings 24:10-14), as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles.

 Captivity of Jehoiachin, king of Judah, in Babylon (2 Kings 24:15-16), as recorded on the Babylonian Ration Records.

 Fall of Babylon to the Medes and Persians (Daniel 5:30-31), as recorded on the Cyrus Cylinder.

 Freeing of captives in Babylon by Cyrus the Great (Ezra 1:1-4; 6:3-4), as recorded on the Cyrus Cylinder.

 The existence of Jesus Christ as recorded by Josephus, Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, the Talmud, and Lucian.

 Forcing Jews to leave Rome during the reign of Claudius (A.D. 41-54) (Acts 18:2), as recorded by Suetonius.

Many stories conveyed in the bible have been confirmed by archaelogical findings.

We start with a few -

The discovery of the Ebla archive in northern Syria in the 1970s has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs to be viable. Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine. The name “Canaan” was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible. The word tehom (“the deep”) in Genesis 1:2 was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. “Tehom” was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses. Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs have also been found in clay tablets from Nuzi and Mari.

The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey.

Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king and Solomon's prosperity was entirely feasible.
It was once claimed there was no Assyrian king named Sargon as recorded in Isaiah 20:1, because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20, his capture of Ashdod, was recorded on the palace walls. What is more, fragments of a stela memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself.

Another king who was in doubt was Belshazzar, king of Babylon, named in Daniel 5. The last king of Babylon was Nabonidus according to recorded history. Tablets were found showing that Belshazzar was Nabonidus' son who served as coregent in Babylon. Thus, Belshazzar could offer to make Daniel “third highest ruler in the kingdom” (Dan. 5:16) for reading the handwriting on the wall, the highest available position. Here we see the “eye-witness” nature of the Biblical record, as is so often brought out by the discoveries of archaeology.

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mazaje:
Mazaaaaaaaaaaaaa. . . . Wallahi ya gama haukachewa. . . . . A rikice yake. . .

Bros, i norr understand all dis ya hausa, but abeg make una lef dat boko harma man wey dem dey call sweet bitter necta. . . make we return to topic na

1. u did NOT address the prophecies AT ALL

2. u DID NOT show us from wia the prophets dem dem been get all de tins dem been know about solar system etc? ?

Anyway sha, we go begin dey carry go now with anoda evidence sey bible na solid kajarred book -

Archaelogy!

Oya. . . .

thehomer:
I hope you've used your phone to get in contact with your vet for your refund because it seems your memory is failing you. Where did I talk about attachment from below?

LIAR!

See ya statement hia -

thehomer:
This is the problem with people who are mentally deranged they find it difficult to understand basic concepts presented in English. [size=26pt]When something is suspended, does it not imply that there is a force acting on it from below? [/size] How hard is it for you to understand that with gravity, there is no place that you refer to as below?

That's where u said suspension is by virtue of a force acting from below an object. . . . . .

Then u contradicted that with dis definition -

to hang by attachment to[size=16pt] something above:[/size] to suspend a chandelier from the ceiling.

??

. . . . eeediotically failing to realize that the word suspension can be applied to the state of a body that is held within a space wiythout solid physical support. . . .even the last usage u cited captures that, it says -

to keep from falling, sinking, forming a deposit, etc., as if by hanging: to suspend solid particles in a liquid.

. . . .within which definition there is NO DOUBT THAT THE EARTH IS INDEED SUSPENDED ALONG ITS PATH BY THE GRAVITATIONAL PULL  OF THE SUN!

Bros, you be illiterate, no lie, na from kirikiri yoiu dey type. . . .

Your contradictions do NOT end there. . . .

You first said the passage cited has nothing to do with gravity. . . . then when called out you accepted that the earth is indeed held in the gravitational pull of the sun!

What crass illiterate duplicity!

And u tink sey u fit use grammar confuse us? ? ? ? ? ?

All dis day-time stoopidity jus to discredit a VERY CLEAR bible passage . . . .

Your daftness stinks to high heavens for all to see and YOU HAVE MADE NO POINT AT ALL IN THIS THREAD SAVE TO BEFUDDLE URSEF IN A COBWEB OF LAUGHABLE CONTRADICTIONS!

i have no iota of respect for your empty numbskull, and i will not bother with u again, as i have shown that u have said nothing here except mumble gibberish with your toe in your mouth like the truly epileptic grandson of a quadarpiltic grandma that you are

pity am still using a phone. Fisrt dis homer joker said suspension is support from below. Now his definition says its  attachment from above. When will dis bovine retard realise thatit simply refers to being held in place in the context used. Honestly i have never seen such crass illiteracy

your post is very silly. Think for your self. What does the word 'suspension' mean. You goofed. A body is suspended when it sits in a void without solid physical support. So sad u are so daft that sarcasm is lost on u when i talked about school suspension. Olodo. Na yab be dat one, but u are too slow to pick up on that, u chronic bed wetter?

For lords sake whatever else you do, do not tell lies. You first claimed dat gravity got nothing to do with the passage until we asked u what force from the sun keeps the earth in orbit. Then u comically remembered that that is gravitational energy from the sun?

Pls keep ur pretenses to erudition to urself.

Ur understanding of the word 'suspension' is pathetic. U say it means support from below. That is so illiterate i will not countenance it with a response.

I dey use phone or i for show u pepper. Bovine recidivist.

^^^^^^^^^Of course i agree that is stoooopidity. But atheism is also delusional stupidy

stupity versus stupidity = stupid human race

^ Your explanation is nonsensical, but even b4 i address it, you must address ALL the many prophecies cited. u cannot just pick one and then ignore the legions of others

na fraud be dat

Sam7:
There are simple questions the poster should ask himself solemnly. Can intelligence emanate from unintelligence? Do you notice the pattern among all living creatures. Most living creatures are paired in twos (male and female)? Do you notice they all have certain common features, man, animals and birds, even the creeping ones? Do you know about the dependence between man, all animals and plants? Have you checked out the reason why man is different from all other creatures on earth? Why is the human race so dominant that none other kind of creature has usurped them? Can you explain the presence of all the mineral resources around the world locked underneath the earth? Do you understand the mystery of the air you breathe in even though you cannot see it? Have you explored the complexities in the DNA of man and how his body is so well arranged together as to form a singular structure with so many connected parts meant to fulfil different functions but all towards the same purpose? How is the same complex structure crafted in man's body and yet miniaturised in a creature as small as a rat? What about the functionalities of the sugar ant? I am sure you will call all of them nature but I will tell you that they are signs that clearly show (THE EVIDENCE) that someone so very intelligent created, conceived and birthed the entire universe. Have you explored the complexities of the entire universe? The trajectory of every star and every so called planet outside earth? I can continue these questions but the truth is what other evidence do you need beyond what you see around you.

GBMA! GBAMER ! GBAMEST! ! !

STOOOOOOOPIIIID ATHEISTS WEY DEY HIA LIKE HOMER JUST DEY YARN MUMU YARN.

Any one who knows the human brain alone, and its complexities, even the wonder of sight nd the eye - WILL RECOGNIZE ATHEISM AS THE HEIGHT OF STOOOOOOPIDITY!

mazaje:
Some unfulfilled Prophecies in the bible. . . .

*According to Jos 17:17-18, Ephraim and Manasseh will drive out the Canaanites, but according to Jg 1:27-29, they did not drive out the Canaanites.

*Jer 34:5 prophesied that Zedekiah will die in peace, but according to 2Ki 25:7 and Jer 52:10-11, that did not happen. Instead, he saw his sons killed, was carried off in chains, blinded, and eventually died in prison.

*Am 7:17 prophesied that Amaziah's sons will die by the sword, but according to 2Ch 26:1,21, Amaziah's son Uzziah died of leprosy.

* According to Ex 3:8, the Israelites will live in a large land, flowing with milk and honey, and according to 2Sa 7:10, they will not be disturbed anymore, but as a matter of historical fact Israel (and vicinity) has been a relatively small and mostly barren land, and the Israelites have been continually harassed from all sides.

* According to Isa 19:5, Eze 30:12, and Zec 10:11, the Nile River will dry up, and according to Eze 29:9-12, Egypt will become desolate for 40 years, with no man or animal passing through it and with all Egyptians dispersed, but as a matter of fact the Nile River has never dried up and in the whole history of Egypt no such calamitous events have ever occurred.

* According to Isa 14:23, Babylon will become a swapland, but that never happened. According to Jer 51:36, Babylon will become totally dry, but that never happened either. According to other verses, Babylon will never be inhabited by people again and God said that he will completely cut of Babylon, her name and survivors, but in fact Babylon has been continually inhabited by people since that time. It is now part of Iraq.

* According to Isa 34:9-10, Edom (the land between the Dead Sea and Gulf of Aqaba) will become burning pitch forever: no one will ever pass through it again because It's fire will not be quenched night and day; its smoke will rise forever. From generation to generation. But in truth that has never happened to Edom. People have passed through it for thousands of years up till today.

* There are other false historical prophecies in the book of daniel that never took place concerning certain people that lived and died like  Nebuchadnezzar and Jehoiakim.

This is boooolshit because I cited to you fulfulled prophecies. Jst look at the FEW amount of so called unfulfilled prophecies you are citing. It is even full of lies. Babylon is inhabited? ? ? ? Abeg stop embarrasing yourself!

How do u also know some of these are not to be fulfilled in the future the way others were? ? ?

Abeg face de plenty ones i showed you, and stop these childish poo

Akata man! Bible prophecies are fulfilled in such exact detail that some naysayers now say they were written after the fact! Looooooooooooooooooosers!

Oya, what about OT prophecies about Jesu Christi. Weere they also written AFTER CHRIST? ? ? - - -

The Messiah would be preceded by a messenger
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 40:1-5,9
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 27 AD

In Isaiah 40:3, the prophet writes about a person in the desert who prepares the way for the Lord. This prophecy foreshadowed the life of John the Baptist, who played an important role in preparing the groundwork for the ministry of Jesus Christ. Jesus was born shortly after John the Baptist about 2000 years ago. The book of Matthew records many events of the life of Jesus and of John the Baptist. In Matthew 3:1-2, it says: "In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea, and saying, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 40:1-5,9:

1 Comfort, comfort my people, says your God.

2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem, and proclaim to her that her hard service has been completed, that her sin has been paid for, that she has received from the LORD's hand double for all her sins.

3 A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.

4 Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain.

5 And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

9 . . . say to the towns of Judah, "Here is your God!"

He would perform miracles
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 35:4-6
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 27-31 AD

Isaiah, who lived about 2700 years ago, prophesied that there would come a time when God would arrive and heal the eyes of the blind, the ears of the deaf, the mobility of the lame, and the voice of the mute.

Jesus did each of these things in a spiritual sense, in offering truth and salvation, and in a literal sense by performing miracles of healing.

The web site at About-Jesus.org provides details about 34 miracles performed by Jesus. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 35:4-6:

4 say to those with fearful hearts, "Be strong, do not fear; your God will come, he will come with vengeance; with divine retribution he will come to save you."

5 Then will the eyes of the blind be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

6 Then will the lame leap like a deer, and the mute tongue shout for joy. Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert.

God promised another prophet like Moses
Bible prophecy: Deuteronomy 18:15-18
Prophecy written: As early as 1400 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC to 31 AD

In Deuteronomy 18:15-18, Moses told the Jews that God would raise up another prophet like Moses. After Moses, there was a succession of prophets, including Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, and finally Jesus Christ. Jesus was very much like Moses. Both were delivered from death as infants. Both were prophets. Both performed miracles. Both were leaders. And both were intermediaries between God and man. Moses offered to die, if necessary, if God would forgive the sins of the people that Moses was leading (see Exodus 32:30-33). Jesus did die for our sins, so that people could enter the Kingdom of Heaven. No other prophet is as much like Moses than Jesus. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Deuteronomy 18:15-18:

15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.

16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die."

17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good.

18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

The Messiah would enter Jerusalem while riding on a donkey
Bible prophecy: Zechariah 9:9
Prophecy written: Between 520 and 518 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 31 AD

In Zechariah 9:9, the prophet speaks of a future king presenting himself to Jerusalem while riding on a humble donkey. This foreshadowed something that happened about 500 years later. As explained in Luke 19:35-37, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and presented himself as the Messiah, the King.
Alfred Edersheim, a Christian Jew who lived during the 1800s, studied ancient Rabbinical writings, and said that Zechariah 9:9 was often interpreted as being about a Messiah. In his book, The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, Edersheim wrote: "The Messianic application of this verse in all its parts has already been repeatedly indicated. We may here add that there are many traditions about this donkey on which the Messiah is to ride; and so firm was the belief in it, that, according to the Talmud, 'if anyone saw a donkey in his dreams, he will see salvation' (Ber 56 b)."

The name "Jesus," means "salvation" in Hebrew. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Zechariah 9:9:

Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Jesus proclaims that he is the Messiah
Bible prophecy: John 4:19-26
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: Since the time of Jesus

In Matthew 5:17, John 4:25-26, and in other verses, Jesus proclaims that he was the Messiah promised by the Old Testament prophets. Jesus remains the first and only person in history to be taken seriously by people throughout the world as being the Messiah that so many of the Bible's prophets had prophesied about. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

John 4:19-26:

19 "Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet.

20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."

21 Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

25 The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

26 Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."

There would be a son called God
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 9:6-7
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Isaiah 9:6-7, which was written about 700 years before the time of Jesus, the prophet Isaiah speaks of a son who would be called "Mighty God" and "Eternal Father." Isaiah also indicates that this son would reign on the throne of King David and that this reign would be everlasting. King David is the great, God-obeying king who reigned from about 1050 BC to about 1010 BC. God had promised King David that the reign from David's throne would be everlasting. Christians acknowledge that this promise is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, who is a descendant of King David, and whose reign is everlasting. Today, the teachings of Jesus govern the lives of as many as an estimated 2 billion Christians worldwide. The New Testament also says that Jesus will return in the future and that his kingdom will have no end. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 9:6-7:

6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

The Messiah would be rejected
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 53:1-3
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 31 AD

In Isaiah 52:13-53:12, the prophet foreshadowed the life and mission of Jesus, who was born about 700 years later. In Isaiah 53:3, the prophet said that a servant of God would be rejected and despised. Jesus was indeed rejected by many people living in the land of Israel, and He was later crucified by the Romans.

It has been claimed by some commentators that Isaiah 52:13-53:12 actually refers to Israel as a nation and not to an individual Messiah. But, there are several commentaries written by rabbis that confirm that the prophecy refers to a Messiah and not to a nation. Several examples of these writings are listed in the book, The Fifty-Third Chapter of Isaiah According to the Jewish Interpreters, edited by S.R. Driver and A.D. Neubauer. Here are two examples from that book:

"Our Rabbis with one voice accept and affirm the opinion that the prophet is speaking of the King Messiah, and we shall ourselves also adhere to the same view." - Rabbi Moshe Alshekh, 16th century.

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities, the meaning of which is that since the Messiah bears our iniquities which produce the effect of his being bruised, it follows that whoso will not admit that the Messiah thus suffers for our iniquities, must endure and suffer for them himself." - Rabbi Eliyyah de Vidas, who wrote during the 16th century. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 53:1-3:

1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Daniel predicted when an anointed one would be rejected
Bible prophecy: Daniel 9:24-26
Prophecy written: About 530 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 31 AD

The prophet Daniel was Jewish exile who lived during the time of the Babylonian Captivity, about 500 years before the birth of Jesus. During Daniel's lifetime, the Babylonians had destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple and had taken many Jews as captives to Babylon. Daniel, while in Babylon, delivered a prophecy of what would happen during the centuries that followed. Here is our summary of Daniel 9:24-26:

1. There would be a decree to rebuild Jerusalem.
2. Jerusalem and the Temple would be rebuilt.
3. Then an anointed one (Messiah) would be "cut off" (an idiom for "rejected" or "killed".
4. Then Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed again.

All of these events later happened, in the same order in which they are described in Daniel 9:24-26:

1. After the Medo-Persians had conquered the neo-Babylonian empire about 2500 years ago, they ruled a vast empire that included the land of Israel. About 2400 years ago (about 445 BC), Persian king Artaxerxes gave permission to the Jews to rebuild Jerusalem, which was still in ruins after having been destroyed earlier by the Babylonians.
2. The Jews rebuilt the Temple and the city of Jerusalem.
3. Then, about 2000 years ago, Jesus entered Jerusalem as the Messiah who had been promised by Old Testament prophets. But, many people rejected Jesus as the Messiah and he was crucified by the Romans.
4. About 40 years after Jesus was crucified, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. (The Temple has not been rebuilt since then). - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Daniel 9:24-26:

24 "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

Is this the best u can come up with? I cite so many prophecies and you vaguely discuss TWO of them, and that is supposed to be a blanket answer? ? ? ? ? ?

Rubbish!

Looking for God in the space (I laugh you in Egba)

Me sef i laugh o!

mazaje:
My guy relax. . . . .This is what you said. . . .

You lied that the "scientific" details could not possibly have been known by men of those days and only a being with over sight could have mediated such information to them. . .And I showed you that the Greeks of that time had better scientific knowledge of the earth and the cosmos. . . .

Akata man, make u go read my post well wella wellest. I norr say na ALL of dem discoveries, I say "many" of dose details dem, science never confirm dem by that time, and I still stand no shaking on top that one. Na de true word be dat - e no dey tire u to dey spread fabu and confusion? ?? ? ? ? ? ?

Abi whish science don confirm by dat time say this world wey we siddon for no get solid support?

Abeg norr dey blow lie up and down for united nations jaaare.

u dey talk about theories wey some people dey make. . . .the bible DEFINITELY STATED THESE FACTS without equivocation. . . . .where did the prophets get their knowledge from, can you tell us, Mr. Tai Solarin?

Olodo. Oya na, make u start with de prophecies dem dem. Abi u go fit rubbish dem, as dem plenty reach?

Make u try honest small na?

Osanobua ooooooooooooooo! ! ! !

There is nothing more despicable than a pseudo intellectual who shamelessly parrots ridiculous lies and self-contradiction without having the decency to apologize.

This bomboclaerk called thehomer first of all said that the passage cited had nothing whatsoever to do with gravity.

Make una see o -

thehomer:
Suspending the earth over nothing simply [size=16pt]says nothing about gravity [/size] because the concept of gravity implies that the earth is not suspended.

When I called him out on WHAT exactly is the force holding the earth in its orbit around the sun, the juvenile bed-wetter comes around and says this –

The earth is not suspended in place.[size=16pt] It is undergoing its own motion along the gravity well of the sun.[/size]

so the mo.ro.n accepts that the Earth’s motion is indeed along the “gravity well” of the sun.

This is why I will never have any respect whatsoever for these pseudo intellectuals who in their rabid bid to discredit the bible end up foaming at the mouth like the truly epileptic and delusional retards that they are.

The problem is that the earth is not suspended period. The word "suspended" simply does not apply. They would have been better off saying the earth is neither suspended nor resting on anything but is being attracted to the sun (or something along those lines).

More garbage. What does the word suspended mean for you in this context. This slowpoke actually thinks it means suspension from school. . . .the idea of being stationary, etc. Grow up. It simply means that it is held along its place without solid physical support.

Frankly you are so fabulously stooopid in your own delusion that I wonder that I can be bothered to respond to you.

What is an abepo?

S.hit carrier. That’s obviously what ya brains are made of. You are easily the daftest person I have seen on this forum.

Suspension indeed.

Abeg commot for road jooor.

thehomer:
This Gray Beard character really loves the rectum.

Suspending the earth over nothing simply says nothing about gravity because the concept of gravity implies that the earth is not suspended. Something being suspended means it is attached above and hanging downwards but with gravity, there is no up or down.

Why you norr fit use ya brain?

What force of attraction from the sun keeps the earth suspended in place?

Also these ancient peeps had no idea that the earth was not physically supported as was widely believed at the time. Thay had not viewed the earth from space and yet were able to tell that it was suspended. . . .on nothing. . . .? - - - HOW DID THE PROPHET KNOW THIS? ? ? ?

Commot from my sunday school jaare, you imbecilic remnant of the kelebe from the nose of a baboon, and best for you to return to your day job of abepo!

@ Mazaje, I dey go meeting now for my retired old men's home, we wan negotiate for beta beta food for old chaps like me. When i come back, i go address all the olodo nonsense wey u don write for dia.

Where is Beaf? We are still awaiting you to graciously provide us with a list of the wrong things you think Jonathan has done, in order to show you are objective?

mazaje:
Your assertion here is very false. . .As to science the ancient Jews appear crude and stunted compared to other cultures   Many scientific details were known by men of those days that lived in other cultures. Their scientific knowledge was more precise and accurate. When it comes to astronomy and cosmology the ancient Greeks beat the ancient Jews hands down. . .Even though some of their reasoning were crude, the Greeks nevertheless laid down patterns of thought that we follow to this day. The ancient Greeks used what we now call observation, reasoning and science.

*Thales: The first of the Greek philosophers, c. 629-555 B.C. He thought the planets, stars, sun, moon, and earth were all composed of different forms of water. He appears to be the first to assert that celestial bodies were not gods, but were made of familiar substance. In those mystical times, this was a radical departure.

*Pythagoras of Samos (c. 580-500 B.C.): Showed that nature could be described by mathematics. Described the musical scale in terms of number ratios and thought that the "spheres that carry the planets" must be arranged in ratios that would be musically harmonious. (Hence the phrase "music of the spheres".)

*Democritus (ca. 460 BC – ca. 370 BC) Democritus held that the earth was round, and stated that originally the universe was comprised of nothing but tiny atoms churning in chaos, until they collided together to form larger units—including the earth and everything on it.[2] He surmised that there are many worlds, some growing, some decaying; some with no sun or moon, some with several. He held that every world has a beginning and an end, and that a world could be destroyed by collision with another world.

* Epicurus[/b]341 BCE – 270 BCE):  Epicurus like Democritus, he was an atomist, believing that the fundamental constituents of the world were indivisible little bits of matter (atoms, Greek atomos, indivisible) flying through empty space (khaos). Everything that occurs is the result of the atoms colliding, rebounding, and becoming entangled with one another, with no purpose or plan behind their motions

*[b]Anaximander (c. 610 BC – c. 546 BC) Anaximander was the first recorded person to suggest the Earth is a sphere. Erastothenes basically worked out the circumference. It was proven 1800 years later by Magellan's voyage.

* Archytas of Tarentum (400 B.C.) asserts that sound was propagated by a medium (air or water).

*Anaxagoras (500 BC – 428 BC) thought that the sun was not just a small glowing circle of light. He thought of it as a large glowing rock, larger than the Peloponnese peninsula. For that belief he was exiled.

*Aristarchus of Samos (310 BC – ca. 230 BC) Aristarchus suggests that the heavenly bodies revolve around the sun and calculated (because of the lack of parallax) that the stars were extrememly far away.

*Aristotle(384 BC – 322 BC): Classified the dolphins as mammals and not fish, as he noticed they bore their young alive with umbilical cords attached.
   
He: *Proposed elementary laws of motion.
      *Affirmed spherical, stationary earth and heavenly spheres on which the sun, moon, and planets moved.
       *Laid down much of the basis for other branches of philosophical thought (e.g. logic, ethics).
       *Was influential in Europe in the middle ages.

*Pytheas: (4th century BC) correctly asserts that tides are related to the phases of the moon.

What is the relevance of all this gibberish? ? ? ? ? So what about the greeks? The fact remains that the JEWS had no such sciences at the time. So how did these men know all these things? ? ? ?

If i prove to you that ancient africans had spiritual books that revealed all these to them, will you anwer by saying that the greeks also knew it? That will be a stoooopid answer because the question is how exactly did this knowledge come to the Jews? ? ? ?

Besides, only a few of the things i pointed out are addressed by your greek reference! how do you explain the others. . . . magic? ? ? ?

Make una helep me see this akata boy o

Pls compare the above scientific exploits of the ancient Greeks and the jargon you wrote from the bible. . .Must of what you quoted from the bible have absolutely nothing to do with any scientific explanations at all. . .You are just forcing the passages to say what they are NOT saying. . .

You norr dey shame to dey blow lie for public? The passages are very clear, STOP lying

At ya age u still dey blow lie to thief meat for inside pot of soup, Ewu.

I will also give you a list of unscientific stuffs that are to be found in the bible later. . .

Try am na?

I will be back to address all the prophecy stuff. . .

I full ground.

So much for prophecy. There is much more, but let me leave it at that. . . .Mazaje, can you claim that the koran or veda texts contain such outstanding prophecies like this - - - and so so many? ? ?

Koran no even get one single prophecy, except plagiariazation from the OT. . . .


now let us proceed to archaelogy.

manmustwac:
Graybeard for a born again Christian why are you so fond of using abusive language and throwing insults? Arn't you supposed to set an example to we unbelievers? Or are you just a bloody hypocrite like the vast majority of you so called Christians?

Lol, to be sincere, I am a fan of WAZOBIA FM, and sincerely, my abuses like you can see are couched in pidgin English just to crack people up with lafta, nothin else bro

I go calm down if we sign treaty say you norr go dey condense ya fart and turn, come turn am into post for this thread again.

You hia? ? ?

Martian:
Quote from the bible to prove the bible's prophecies. Riveting!!!!!

I know sey na people like you dey carry last for common entrnce. Abeg norr lie, ya mama bribe Head Master to smuggle u inside secondary school, abi na lie i talk?

Because it is obvious you cannot read. Did u not see the archaelogical references in the write-up?

illiterate. Olodo rabata roboto