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So, Lampard can not just back trailer for once and get a result?

Griffon:
Oh please, Spurs team of 2019 isn't as average as the present Leicester side. Spurs were brimming with character and personalities.

Leicester's last champions league run was largely hinged on luck. They were gifted the easiest group opponents; Brugge, Copenhagen etc. Overcame an average Sevilla in the round of 16, before being bundled out by ATM.

They haven't strengthened since then, instead they lost the team's only talisman Mahrez to City.

Who are the players they're going to challenge Europe's powerhouses with?

Manyoo and Chelsea have the funds to strengthen their teams thereby enhancing their chances of advancing in the UCL, that's something you can't say about Leicester.

the bolded is so wrong.

ATM had to win Leicester with a fake penalty for the to progress. And if I remember rightly, they lost out either by 1 goal difference or away goal rule. Why are you downplaying the great run they had in the competition that year?


Give them their dues abeg. They did well that year and went further than every other EPL team.

Na wa for you o.

Ashley86400:
If you want to be added to a Chelsea group on WhatsApp, drop your number.
Pls numbers should be typed in words e.g Zero-Eight-Zero, not 080.
#KTBBFH

look around well well.

If you sabi, you go sabi.

Ibime:
I would have kept Pasalic over Barkley but that ship has sailed.

Guys are being harsh on RLC sha. It's not that easy to come back from 1 full year injury just like that. You can't judge him on this season. Also recall he missed the latter half of his loan at Palace with back problem which was just clearing up halfway through Sarris tenure, so he only really played half a season under Sarri at full fitness.

Havertz is a good buy though. If we can complement him with a GK, LB and CB, we should be good to go. We have enough deadwood to sell to afford all of them. We can buy decent ones in all those positions for £25m-£30m average which selling Emerson, Bakayoko, Alonso, Moses, Zappacosta, Jorginho, Chris, Batsman, Barkley and even Tammy etc should be able to get us. So far we are still spending Hazard, Morata, Boga and Pasalic money. I still need another fast striker with good hold up play though. Both Giroud and Werner limit your tactical options. With Giroud you can't play fast counterattack or efficient high pressing. With Werner, you can't play long balls when under pressure. We still need a striker with both qualities.

raumdeuter:
Hensben is still celebrating Hazard carry along season

is there any season in the man's carrier that you have not called carry along!

EarlRagnar2:
It's now easy to beat pep
Stay solid defensively
Wait for counter attack
Then utilize your chance

it has always been that way, only that he has top players and teams sometimes suffer from having good finishers.

Ibime:
Arsenal have finally learned to park the bus after 15 years

Noo. Even wenger did it to beat pep and Mourinho at one time.

kendoschurrle:
This problem is most certainly always from UBA. It shows the card is not fully activated. You have to call them and have the card reset. Once it's done, use the code they will give you to go and change the pin on a UBA atm again. Make sure you try a withdrawal on the ATM. If the withdrawal works, the card is active. At least that's what I did in my own time.

I am having exactly the same issue with this person, but I do fund and use my card for recharging my phone, but I have not used it to withdraw, though.

I complained to UBA twitter and one of their customer care that called me told me that I don't have my BVN linked to my card, and that I don't have my zip code information on my card address, even though I provided those two things during the registration.

I don't understand how I can use my card to recharge when BVN is not linked to it. I am yet to go to their branch like the girl suggested, though.
But is that possible?

raumdeuter:
Benzema was top scorer, top assister and won most points. That is total domination, of the attack

top assister and top scorer are useless if they don't win points. So basically, as long as you win the points you carried that team, because you stood up to the occasion when it was difficult.

Maybe those that top assists and goals were doing it against farmers and when it didn't matter, just like the goals that Liverpool have been scoring since they won the league are useless.

Do you agree that Hazard carried Chelsea to EPL in 2015?

raumdeuter:
Its obvous you have nothing to say, WHen Hazard leads his team in goals and also in assists while winning the league we can be having this discussion

It is obvious that you are applying double standard.

Both players goals won more points. According to you, we can call it, delivering when it mattered in the big matches. You remember how you tell us that top players wait for the big or difficult matches to deliver, maybe that's what hazard and benzema did.

So, did hazard carry Chelsea to EPL in 2015?

raumdeuter:
Did Hazard top goals and assists for Chelsea?

In 2019 what did Hazard win you with his goals? The only trophy you won in 2019 was Yuropa which Giroud was the top scorer for your team

we are getting somewhere.
Now you want to rubbish the goals and Assists because they didn't win anything despite being the best for his team, and also higher than any of his seasons, even the 2015. But you want to hype benzema's 21 goals for winning the title when the same 21 goals could not win title last season.

Do you see yourself?


Now, can we say that hazard's 17 goals and 15 assists were useless because they didn't win maximum points the same way that benzema's 21 goals last season was useless.

But their goals for the title winning seasons were useful because they won more points.

Therefore, some loads of goals are useless if they don't win points.

Conclusion. If benzema goals won more points for Madrid, thereby carrying them to league, then hazard's goals that won more points carried Chelsea to league win.

Any objection?

raumdeuter:
How could Hazard have carried you to the title when he is not the top scorer nor top assist maker, why not remove the goals of Costa and the assists of Fabregas

they have already removed themselves by not winning more points. I am not the one that did it. If goals and Assists are not winning points, they are useless. So, tell us did hazard carry Chelsea to 2015 EPL?

raumdeuter:
We are talking about Benzema leading his team in goals Did Hazard do that?
We are talking about Benzema leading his team in assists, Did Hidden do that?

at the end of the day both team's goals won the most points for their team enroute to a title win. So, did hazard carry Chelsea to EPL in 2015?


Now, while you are at that. Hazard led his team in both assists and goals in 2019, so did he carry Chelsea in 2019?

raumdeuter:
I asked you did Hazard top goals for his club? Did he top assists? If you cant undertsnad that then miss me with your wahala

Benzemas goals delivered more points in the league than anyone else even Messi

we are never shifting this goalpost today.

Both hazard's and benzema's goals won more points for their teams than anyone else.

If the goals and Assists of those that topped assists and goals were important they would have won more points, but no, hazard goals did.

Now tell us, did hazard carry Chelsea to 2015 EPL?

raumdeuter:
We have been asking for Hazards output since all you can show us is 4 CL goals from open play while Benzema is the 3rd all-time top scorers

Like I told you, you like comparing apples to oranges

Sir, it won't work today. Don't change the goal post.

We are talking about benzema and hazard's goals winning more points for their teams.

Now, did hazard carry Chelsea to 2015 EPL?

raumdeuter:
Hazard was not the top assister, he was not the top scorer. Unlike Benzema who was top scorer, top assister and player who gathered most points

So compare apples to apples

loads of goals and Assists are bullshit if they are not winning points.

The crux of the matter is that both players goals won more points for their team that any one else. So, did hazard carry Chelsea to EPL in 2015?

raumdeuter:
What do you understand by this stat

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11946259_kingbenz_jpeg43a615e12aef4fed3e55c09f5e15232b

what do you understand by Hazard's goals winning more points for Chelsea in 2015 EPL win?

raumdeuter:
The club president, journalists all over the world are hailing Benzema for being the one who delivered the title to Madrid

Could it be that Florentino Perez did not notice Cortouis Ramos Carvajal Casemiro Mendy and Varane?

Coaches, club owner, fellow players and journalist all over the world were all hailing Eden hazard in 2015 epl, 2016 euro, 2017 epl, 2018 World cup and 2019 for having great performances and contributing to medals and titles.

Could it be that your hate for a successful man did not allow you to see the truth in that?

raumdeuter:
Did Hazard lead Chelsea in goals and Assists in the 2015 league win like Benzema did?

the number of goals is useless if it does not win points. The aim of goals is to win points. Now, hazard's goals won more points than any other Chelsea player that season, so did he carry Chelsea to the title?

airmark:


2009-2010, Chelsea were the 2nd team that conceded least, so your point didn't stand.

Last season Benzema scored 21 goals and Madrid finished 3rd by scoring 63 goals and conceded 43. This season Benzema scored the same 21 goals but Madrid scored 68 and conceded jjust 23 and won the league. If you know how to analyse data, you will stop this Benzema nonsense and look at the main players that delivered the silverware, defending the goals from entering.

I didn't want to use any data, because i watched most of their league matches and know Courtois and Ramos were more consistent than the Algerian bag of beans.

Below is another confirmation that banging in massive goals alone is not enough. 2013/2014 Laliga table.

This stat explains it all.

I have not followed football for a long time like some of our ogas here, but the little I have followed it I know that the game is not just 1+1=2. And I believe that is why the game is the most followed game/sports on earth.

I did not watch any madrid match fully this season, so I can't tell who contributed more or not. Therefore, I am not joining in the Benzema argument. But I want to say this. Football is a team sports. And every member of the team contributes to the success of the team one way or the other. Although, not everyone has the same degree of contribution, but no position in the team is more important than the other. The midfielder is as important as the defender. The attacker is as important as the defender, and vice versa. Everyone on the pitch is important as long as they are doing their job, whatever it may be, very well.

Now, about those who downplay the importance of defence just because they feel emotionally attached to goals and the people that score them, here is my summation with an example.

The issue of clean sheet and more goals is not just black and white.

Let's say for instance, Chelsea have two matches to play to end the season, right?
Now, let's say we need maximum points, which is 6 points.
Now, let us use these two matches remaining for Chelsea as examples.

First.
Liverpool 0 : 4 Chelsea (Abraham 4 goals)
Wolves 1 : 1 Chelsea (Abraham 0 goal)

Second
Liverpool 1 : 2 Chelsea (Abraham 1 goal)
Wolves 0 : 1 Chelsea (Abraham 1 goal)

Third scenario.
Liverpool 0 : 0 Chelsea
Wolves 0 : 0 Chelsea

Fourth scenario
Liverpool 3 : 2 Chelsea
Wolves 2 : 1 Chelsea


First scenario = 4 points.
Second scenario = 6 points.
Third scenario = 2 points
Fourth scenario = 3 points


First scenario, the team did a good job if you total it, but no maximum points. And Abraham did a great job totally but when you look closely you will see comma.

Second scenario, the team did a great job if you look closely, but compared to the first one with total stats gathered, they didn't meet up, yet they got maximum points. Also, Abraham in the first scenario scored more, but did not do better than the second scenario.

Third and fourth scenario is self explanatory.

The conclusion is that it is not about total goals scored or total conceded at the end of the season, it is about the team performance every match day.
A striker's contribution is not when he scores 50 goals total, it is how many matches he was able to score in when the team needed it. That is, it is not about giving 9/10 performance in 30% of the season's matches, it is about giving consistent, at least, 7/10 in 80% of the season's matches. That is what is important.

raumdeuter:
The drop from Cortouis to a Madrid standard goalkeeper is also not as steep as you are making it to sound. Keylor Navas won them the last league and 3 CL titles. Benzemas 8 assists is about tp 5 in the entire league

When you are the main goal outlet recording 20+ goals then 8 assists is generous output. Lewandoski for example has 4 assists, Aguero has 4 assists Lukaku has 2, Aubameyang has 2 assists
Infact of all the golden shoe chasers in Europe this season players with 20 goals or more only Messi has more than 8 goals

While a player like Lewandoski will look at his attack and see Muller behind him breaking assists record, he has Gnabry behind him with 11 assists, the best Benzema can get is Hidden Hazard with 3 assists the entire season
How are Madrid assists shared around? when no other Madrid player has g+a > 10 none of the other Madrid attackers have more than 3 assists

Basically Benzema ran the Madrid offence both in goals and in assists. I can even say very few strikers in the world will thrive in the poverty numbers that other Madrid attacking support cast are delivering

Atletico dont concede but lack of goals, Simeones side have conceded just 3 goals more than Madrid but are 20points behind Real Madrid because they scored 18 goals less than Madrid. That mean they will never win, All their clean sheets is wasted because no one will do the business on the other end I am sure Atletico with their solid defence will die to have a striker to deliver >= 29 g+a like Diego Costa did for them in 2014

unbelievable.

raumdeuter:
We can argue that Benzema basically carried Madrid with historically poor support attack cast to the title An attack That contributes almost nothing in assists and goals

Benzema is leading goals and he is at the same time leading assists. Its usually players like Messi that leads both stats in the same team or how many teams do you see the same player topping goals and at the same time topping assists

The other attackers combined Isco Hazard Vinicius,Asensio, James Bale Vazquez combined have less goals than Benzema

His goals won the most points by any player in the league

Good day, sir.

Eden Hazard's goals won more points for Chelsea in 2015 EPL win than any other player.

Did hazard carry Chelsea to the title?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALP9f4QVIoA

Interesting.

Expert17:
It's just stupid agenda

But you don't see it ask stupid agenda when someone rubbishes the same thing when hazard did it for Chelsea. Double standard.

BlueMann:
Action dey sha, its pretty good, rho I wasn't that much of a fan.

Was more of a 'Grimm' guy

okay. I will try to see it.

Ibime:
Gareth Bale also paid his dues at Madrid winning UCLs. So Madrid fans should not disrespect him for sitting on a contract and being useless for 3 years? Fabregas gave me one good year in 4 years. That does not warrant any deference to him. Negative emotions outweigh positive in football and one good year can never wipe out 3 bad years. We pay the guy to produce, not to be catching praises indefinitely for doing his job once. He is an Arsenal boy, I owe him nothing.

Nabi you sabi. I no get strength.

BlueMann:
The originals

Okay. It's been long I watched a series o.

Action dey am?

Ibime:
In a 4-2-3-1, both are expected to defend. All na semantics whether you call it DM or CM, if players are running past you, you are failing in your defensive duties

I am not arguing the bold. But, Fabregas paid his dues at Chelsea and he deserves some respect. You disrespect our players a lot if they don't suit your preference of players even if they did well for us.

BlueMann:
Chelsea and Spurs can actually help each other out in these last two games.

Spurs beating Leicester will all but guarantee us a CL spot, while they need us to beat Wolves for them get a Europa League spot.

So let's put our rivalries aside and let the former allies - Jose and Lamps - become allies once again.

Let's do this for London

which movie is that picture from? I would like to watch it.

Ibime:
The Fabregas I rated best AM in 2007 season was an AM.

The Fabregas I wanted back at Chelsea was to chase Oscar away from the AM position.

All of a sudden, you are presented with a Fabregas playing DM and putting defence in danger.

OK, at some point they said go and play AM but he was too slow to keep up with the attacks.

This is football. Tactics change and the qualities that make one relevant in one era could become redundant as the game progresses. Then football was slower and Fabregas a bit quicker, he could be an effective AM. Now he is slower and defenders are faster, he cannot arrive in the box effectively and still get back to midfield in time.

Now to play AM, you must be physically adept. It's just like you would rate Ozil in 2010 but not in 2020 when 4-2-3-1 became redundant. Now if you play as the advanced midfielder, you must be robust enough to form a midfield 3 or fast enough to act as a second striker. You don't just leave players in the hole like a decade ago, and that is where the likes of Ozil, Mata and Fabregas to some extent got left behind.

Point of correction, sir. Fabregas never played DM at Chelsea. He played as CM and AM.

raumdeuter:
Are you saying you did not see Fabregas, Jorginho, Guardiola Iniesta etc before making your initial judgment. Maybe in some years you will switch over and be telling us how KDB is a carry along

You have been watching football for about 3 decades and you know what to look for in a footballer, You claim to also play in a semi pro league so there are certain things you saw that made you proclaim them as excellent players/managers at some point

I know myself, I can never like some things I can never like shakushaku attackers, I can never like players who disappear in big occasions

if you just make this simple, that this is your preference for players instead of making it a rule, many unnecessary arguments here will be avoided.

donjazet:
I don't want to get sucked into another sarri debate. I'll just state my opinion and drop the issue.

In my 14 years of supporting Chelsea, I have experienced a rollercoaster of emotions brought upon by the managerial instability and fan's impatience.

There is a cyclical process that constantly occurs which I have been fed up with since.

We hire a new manager, the fans get onboard with him, the new manager signs new players, the manager starts very well and succeeds tremendously (except avb and Avram). The manager hits a rough patch, the fans IMMEDIATELY turn on him, the club sacks him, another manager is signed, stuck with players he doesn't want and signs new players after which another cycle kicks in.

It's a process which is highly frustrating to me, worse so, is seeing how easy it is for fans to change their mind on players and coaches without giving them adequate time after formerly gushing in admiration and praises of the said manager or player.

I know how angry i was when ancelloti was sacked, a champions league winner who we had hired who had won us the double with a powerful group of attackers like anelka, Lampard, deco, Drogba etc. Just because we had lost the title charge by a few points as runners-up.

But our recent managerial turmoil irks me the most.
Just a year after mourinho had taken us to just within one game of the champions league final, and actually winning the league, we sacked him because of problems with Michael and some players.
Needless to point out that we haven't smelt even the quarters since then.

We hired conte, a passionate coach who showed great tactical acumen to win us the league in record fashion, at season end, everybody here was in love with conte only for things to change the minute we hit a rough patch, many fans turned on this coach despite the bad attitude of Diego and the lack of signings.

Now sarri, we hired sarri, despite knowing that he hadn't won anything in his career, the club had long since stated it's desire to start playing a unique brand of attacking football and believed that sarri was the right man for that, they promised him ample time to carry out his vision, the fans embraced the idea of sarriball despite knowing the man hadn't won anything yet, we were ready to give him time knowing that just one season will hardly be enough to fully adapt and implement his philosophy.
We could see flashes of the brilliance of his vision throughout the season but as usual, the minute we hit a rough patch after the usual honeymoon period, the same fans who happily embraced the project grew impatient and frustrated to see it through.
We sacked sarri and now we have decided to hire our legend despite his absolute inexperience, we did this with the promise of giving him sufficient time to grow and groom our young players. The club has promised managerial stability now, Fans have also embraced this move.

This is why I was constantly advocating for caution when Lampard was winning earlier on in the season because I know how easy it would be for our fans to turn on him when we hit a very rough patch.
I am all in, into the frank project and youth revolution and my hope is that we wouldn't be plunged into another managerial cycle for at least 3 years. We have to give Lampard time like kloop, pochetino and guardiola have had at their clubs, no matter what.

Please don't quote me on this sarri issue again, I wouldn't respond. I believe I have completely detailed my perspective on this.

Although, I was and I am happy that he left, but he was not sacked.