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MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is like a document authored by our Creator to present his case before sincere and honest hearted individuals so if you're not open-minded you can't understand many of the things written in that book.

Let's take the case of God commanding WARS, KILLINGS and BLOOD SHED.

After the fall of man out of Eden Satan began ruling the earth, but himself alone can't control the whole earth without the support of other spirit sons of God. So he convinced them to rebel against God's orders by introducing a way they could put on materialised bodies and start enjoying sex with female humans. {Genesis 6:1-2} God disengaged those rebellious angels {1Peter 3:19-20} and Satan now have more idle hands to support him, to cut the long story short that's how many unseen mighty spirit beings became Gods in different locations on this planet.
Abraham and his father were also worshipers of these demons before the true God decided to introduce Himself God looked round and saw that Abraham is a faithful person so God called Abraham, introduced Himself and promised Abraham that He will always be with Abraham! Genesis 12:1-3
Later after Abraham's third generation had suffered as slaves in Egypt for 400 years God decided to pick a place for His own worshipers to establish pure worship. But first He need to send a warning message to all the worshipers of fallen angels (demons) that the Almighty God wants to organize His own worshipers.
That's why He continue putting up with Pharaoh's stubbornness otherwise God could have removed the breath of life from Pharaoh but for the whole world to know that the God of Israel is the Almighty He sent an octogenarian (Moses) down to Egypt without the backing of any military and delivered the Israelites with great signs and wonders.
Then He sent an angel to lead them through the wilderness until they got close to the land where He promised them, all the nations that has been warriors were easily conquered by the Israelites who have been slaves all their lives in Egypt and their God kept going with them proving His Mightiness.
During that time all the inhabitants of the earth have the same line of thought that the mightiest nation has the backing of the mightiest God so ask yourself what exactly kept those nations planning to face the Israelites whose God has proved to be the mightiest of all Gods?
A woman named Rahab said something that i'll like you to read and meditate upon @ Joshua 2:8-13

She proves by her words and actions that all those nations were wicked people and they deserve to die for turning against what all of them believed which is the Mightiest army has the backing of the world's Mightiest God.

A nation back then known as Gibeonites took the initiative to come and plead with the Israelites because they're convinced beyond every reasonable doubt that the Israelites had the backing of the world's Mightiest God! Joshua 9:3-21

God only wanted a small portion (Canaan) not all the earth to establish pure worship, he never asked the Israelites to go and force other nations to accept their form of worship NO but these people kept coming to attack Israel havin heard all the Mighty works this God did both in Egypt and the Red Sea. Back then Egypt was the world's Mightiest nation so there's no place on this planet where the news didn't reach that a God not (two or three) singlehandedly came from nowhere and delivered a multitude of people from the hand of the world's mightiest nation without any military force!

Please judge for yourself between the true God of Israel and those nations back then, who is the WICKED one?

May you have PEACE!

They are many fallacies and personally manufactured ideology or explanations here but i dont want to go back and forth over that.

Ok so the all powerful God had to use humans to fight his battles? Amd thise he used many died in the process ok.... ok no problem


And also king David alone fought 66 battles and half of that didnt even come to attack his or his kingdom.


Just like a time when the Roman conquered the world and Rome was the centre of the world..... it wasnt a thing of defence it was a thing of domination.

MaxInDHouse:
With the above post i'm sure you can now see that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES don't hate anyone.
You are our neighbour no matter your religion but you can't expect us to relate with you the same way we will relate with our neighbours with whom we share the same beliefs.
That's the point!

That is not true, but when the person is a former JW you treat worse than strangers even if they are family members, same you that said you will treat your family (kids and relatives) as strangers if any left JW?

With you guys supremacy mindset, they tell you guys you are supreme etc then put fear in you guys to stop you guys from leaving............... like you rightly said religion is created for the sole purpose to control people using fear....and e ticing them for reward after life.


Also you saod something about african traditions being demonic, can you prove that outside the bible? Nope! B4 the roman catholic twisted version of Abrahamic religion especially christianity Africa religion was not seen as being demonic.



Also i have a question, there is a part i dont get you guys say human sacrifice is bad and all that ok maybe (because human life is precious and sacred according to Ifa) but can you tell me the difference between the crucifixion of Jesus and Ancient africa tradition pf human sacrifice?


Because to me they both look like same thing, ancient African do human sacrifice to cleanse the land and the people off evil.......... Jesus died to cleanse the people off thier sin and brig bring them to redemption and you guys even then decide to eat his body in the name of holy communion...... can you please shed more light on this.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what we are telling people throughout the earth, no members of Jehovah's Witnesses is carrying weapons anywhere on this planet for the purpose of fighting in support of any country or race.
It's our God that established such peace in our midst, so if all the religions on this planet can do the same then there will be total peace.
This means that it's other religions that are to be held responsible for the killings due to racism and politics going on around the world today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES aren't part of them! John 15:19

Ok while that might be true, the bible you read isnt..... the God that established peace for jw is it the same God in the bible that commanded war, killing and blood shed all over the bible? Because it doesn't add up .

MaxInDHouse:
Please spare me further stories, so far it has produced what mankind needed to solve the problems causing racism and politics on this planet i believe the book is from God!

Thank God there is peace, no more racism and political issues in the world.....lol

MaxInDHouse:
It's common for people to declare they're not participating in some common traditions and customs for various reasons, though such changes often result in fierce opposition by friends and families whose lives are engulfed in such traditions.
The only way forward is to ask the person questions about his or her sudden change. Could such change bring any physical benefits?
Will it not deprive others of their rights as family members?
Does the change only relate to faith and things relating to faith alone?
Are others who aren't interested in the faith safe?

This Igbo man converted to Islam (for reasons best known to him) but the attitude of all those around him changed to the extent that they all left him due to his new found faith.

So my question is How can people reconcile Faith or Change with tolerance?

Lol........ really? Same you that said non Jw family members you will treat them like strangers? Lol hahahahahahahahaa fake ass! Really?

MaxInDHouse:
When God created the earth the purpose is for man and beasts to live in peace where man will dominate over the unintelligent creatures as we are created to make things better and make better things unlike animals that can't think to improve in anything. That's what it means when the Bible said "God created humans in His own image" Genesis 1:26
The only no go area for humans is the right to rule over themselves as in setting standards for right and wrong. Genesis 2:17
Satan never created anything so what we are using to make life better doesn't come from Satan it all belongs to God. Then how come Satan is the author of inequality? Satan initiated the idea that man supposed to rule themselves without God's intervention, that is why some are getting richer and billions are getting poorer leading to desperation, envy and hatred. That is the system of Satan not God. So when humans living under Satan's system now come together to gather what other humans are fighting and killing themselves for to organize themselves in a peaceful atmosphere then Satan is put to shame. 1John 3:8

When you meet people it's wise to calm down and know their level of understanding before running to conclusion. I've been to many aspects including traditional religion before i got to know that only Jehovah's Witnesses are on the path to life. So you can't hide under Ifá to tell me the Bible is fake, i know about ifá and the spirits behind the mythology, they are demons pretending to be angels of light. Test each spirit by allowing them to guide humans then see the result in the midst of their adherents, if they orderly and well organized to resolve issues amicably without raising weapons against one another then know that it's the spirit of God who is LOVE {1John 4:8} but if you're not careful you can never find the flaws because these are higher intelligent beings who knows how to cover their tracks perfectly. The only thing they can never do is gather humans and make them cohabit peacefully without the use of force or weapons!


The source of something may be difficult to decipher it's benefits will stand as evidence to prove whether it's from a good or bad source~ Jesus of Nazareth Matthew 7:16-18

So with the situation of things in the world today, what we need is not just another religion having gestures or acts of devotion but a form of worship that will bring lasting peace and harmony in the gathering of imperfect humans from different races across the globe. No matter what anyone says you and i are not that daft to be deceived by what is not benefitial in our society.
Jehovah's Witnesses have proved beyond every reasonable doubt that the Bible is from God. How? With that book they have been to all the countries on this planet to gather people from different cultures and traditions, they have turned them into peaceloving people, they have made them preachers (people working for peace in their neighbourhood), they have erased racism and politics from their hearts, they have uprooted military services and use of weapons from their brains! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Today i am 52 years old i don't need any storyteller or professor to convince me that the book this group used to achieve all that is from the God of LOVE!

I was not going to answer you, but because of your age i will....... Weldon sir i greet you.



But lets gist, how come you know all these stories how Judaism came to be and thr origin of the bible without any source or proof? That means it was formed by you.....


But if you wish to know the origin of Judaism i will tell you with proof in history, theology and even in your bible.



Also if you wish to know how that bible of yours came from the roman catholic church i will show you as well with verified proof, in history and connect it to your bible..... so dont say "my bible is not from the Roman catholic church" that is just sentiment, it change ls nothing!!! Facts dosent care about your feelings.


A man of your age should not be reasoning sentiment, and all i have been trying to tell you is that mindset that everyone outside of your religion is evil and trying to corrupt or hurt you is not true.



And that is my 2cent, you either take it or don't no be fight.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS" you're saying "it's not possible" because we are used to the wicked system. The business man will not give everyone equal pay because that's what Satan established after the fall of man.
Regarding the illustration you cited Jesus wasn't talking about the wages of workers their but more privilege of service as each is able to manage, the one who can't manage was sacked because he doesn't care about his master's business. This is talking about people claiming they are Christians but aren't ready to do the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned. Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have individuals recording over 100 hours of preaching and teaching monthly and we also have many who only report 5-10 hours monthly depending on their circumstances but the one who is inactive are those who only run after money and anxieties of life leaving the work completely.
If you're looking for an illustration regarding payment go and read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 20:1-15
According to Jesus everyone should earn the same that's when nobody can think of going to rob another. Remember it's because of the difference in pay that made some hire security guards with weapons to protect them from the less privileged. That's what this wicked system of things is promoting!



That's the system we find ourselves so Jesus is not condemning those who became rich due to the setting of this system rather he is telling them to concentrate on how to use it wisely not thinking of how to transfer it to someone simply because that one happens to be their child. So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going. You don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News to members so that each can start planning how to enrich their own family nah! We are not Muslims that will gather money and start thinking of how to transfer it to our children. That's why your religion lacks the spirit of preaching and teaching. An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not, your people only become envious when they see other religions snatching their followers with preaching. Jehovah's Witnesses use the wealth to train all members to become effective preachers and teachers of God's word. We don't promote materialism!/

It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed. The giving Jesus is talking about is not what you're practicing in your Islam where your people are becoming beggars everywhere all because they believe that the rich must give the poor, rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much, that's why each JW globally have quality Bible and other necessary materials to preach and teach no matter the condition of the country they live and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God!

The highlighted shows you don't understand what is happening at all, but i'll help you.
Ògún Priests do put on palm tree leaves and their members will be following their priest going from place to place, even though there are billionaires among them the priest will be asking passersby for money saying to whoever gives him money: "Ògún á gbè ọ́ ọ"
So don't even go there because my own mother come from the family of hunters who worships Ògún and i've followed her to their festivals several times when i was still around 7-10 years of age, i know that Ògún Priests have a day that they do put on their attire to go BEGGING in the streets!

You don't understand what we're discussing at all but i'll help you.
Things meant for the worship is not to be distributed because that's not the purpose for which it was gathered. Remember the poor widow that dropped two coins of little value in the treasury box? Jesus said she's the richest in the sight of God! Luke 21:2-4
The temple was built with gold and costly materials, yet this needy widow still contributed her two coins adding to the billions others are contributing and Jesus said she contributed more than everyone.
What point was he making?
Jesus is emphasizing that no worshiper of God should view the worship as a means of livelihood rather they are all there to contribute their quota not thinking of what they will get from the contributions, in fact Jesus said that's what really makes people happy from the bottom of their hearts knowing fully well that no matter the success of pure worship they are part and parcel of the contributors! Act 20:35
That's why Muslims aren't happy when they're not rich because they feel worthless as the names of contributors are announced with the megaphone while others comes unnoticed by everyone. In pure worship everyone counts because no matter our condition each person contributes to the success of pure worship!



When next you find people on social media ask them about their original.
I'm from the family of Ifádùbí in Abéòkúta so when i speak about African tradition i know more than you do. You're just an atheist who wants to raise an argument against Christianity. I saw this in your first move that's why i said "no matter the religion it is a million times better than atheism" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam you just want to create a confusion among those claiming believers be it Christian or Muslim.
That's why you picked me out of all the commentators because i clearly knocked off atheism (your faculty)
So when i said "your religion" i just wanted to draw you out since you say you have chosen Islam, i know you're lying!
During ọdún ifá in any part of Africa the worshipers must put on white and the snail is their meet that period.
Odù ifá mélòó lo lè kì
Ṣé Èjì-ogbè ni àbí Ọ̀wọ́nri-wòrì ònílàjà Àkẹ̀sán?
My friend just keep your atheism if you don't want to have anything to do with worship i understand but coming to play on people's intelligence thinking you're smart will only work on misinformed Churchgoers and other religionists not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Our Bible is not from the Roman Catholic if you want to know the history of the Bible i can help you!


Just calm down and learn my friend, you still have a long way to go.
I purposely chose to deal with you because you think your lengthy comment will piss me off but i'm responding to expose you that you're not interested in any form of worship rather you're an atheist.
Abraham or Moses didn't establish any form of worship known as Judaism. I told you that Judaism started after the breaking of the kingdom of Israel into two region. The ten northern part began their own form of worship because their King doesn't want them to return to Jerusalem under the King of the southern kingdom. Both region were enslaved by foreigners and by the time they returned to their land they brought some of the cultures of their captors and inculcated into what Moses taught them. That's why the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin known as Jews) separated their own form of worship from the rest of Israel, that's what is known as Judaism.
Despite all these their worship has been polluted with Babylonian reasonings the only thing they have left that relates to the pure worship Solomon (the last king that ruled the whole twelve tribes) is their Temple but there is confusion because there were several sects each claiming they knew better.
So when Jesus arrived to establish pure worship permanently as Moses has foretold centuries before Jesus {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} all the rival sects in Judea formed alliance against him for condemning their teachings!
Matthew 23:1-36
In fact Jesus said Jerusalem will be condemned if these people don't forgo Judaism (the confused religious system they initiated decades after their return from Babylon) and accept Christianity! Matthew 23:37-38
That's why Jesus promised those who accepts Christianity that God's promise to Abraham's descendants regarding the rulership of the earth will not change but it's the center where the government house will be situated that will change. Instead of Jerusalem as proposed before Jesus and his co-rulers will move to another destination and from there they will rule the earth! John 14:1-3

Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you!



It's not about the people who brought the book but the benefits derived from practicing what is found written in the book.
For instance a medical personnel today is through learning and reading book from those who knows better. After the enlightenment gotten from the book he will never permit anyone to jeopardize his health no matter how closely related to him. He will kick out the person or leave the place where his health is at risk. But what led to such action? Well it's enlightenment!

You're mistaken my friend!
It's civilization that's changing so many things not the white man, before now white men do bit their children but as the world is getting to the routine stage children are rebelling against such treatment and some people are taking it round the globe.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't condone such nonsense in our midst so no matter the country we come from we discipline our children to the right perspective!
Remember you're talking about what JWs do globally not what some does in Africa, that's why we are known globally as one big and happy family having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

As for LOVE it doesn't relent from disciplining in righteousness! 2Timothy 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 13:6

May you have PEACE!

I am very intrested in this part of Judaism..


I have some questions i pray you dont avoid them and answer, i am not arguing here not fighting i just want to know.


1) what tear did the kingdom of isreal divide into two


2) You said they were captured and brought the spirituality of thier captors who captured them?


3) the added it to what mises taught them, ok what did moses teach them?


First Matthew 23 isnt talking about Judaism, it was about the scribes and the pharisees the leaders sitting on Moses chair, not againt the religious itself, stop quoting stuff out of context read the whole verse.



Matthew 14 didnt aay anything about moving from the Headquarters (let me put it that way) out Jerusalem to another place and them overcome the world no!! Stop stop lying and quoting bibke verses, do you think people here dont have bible to verify ? JESUS and his disciples leave because herod was looking to get them arrested, same herod that arrested and beheaded john the baptist that same time..... come on stop the lies.


Matthew 14: 12- 13 says " John’s disciples came and took his body and buried it. Then they went and told Jesus, When Jesus heard what had happened, he withdrew by boat privately to a solitary place. Hearing of this, the crowds followed him on foot from the towns.



Isnt this funny, the story of Judaism did you just firmed it in ur head or it was taught in kingdom hall? Why dont you back up this story of yours woth verifiable proof?







" Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you! " ........ oh i thought your bibke ask you not to judge and kesve it for God, and also

isaiah 43 didnt command anyone to excommunication or kick out family, maybe you shoikd copy the verse and post it here because, Isaiah 43 talk3d about Gid eung the redeemer and the only God.



Deuteronomy 13: 6 -11..... didnt ask you to kick them out or treat them like strangers, it ask you to kull them..... since you really want to claim ita what God asked you to do, hence you should kill them instead, if u get mind...lol

This the verse what is says

"  x“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or ythe wife you embrace2 or your friend zwho is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ awhich neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 some bof the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, 8 you shall cnot yield to him or listen to him, nor dshall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. 9 But you shall kill him. eYour hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 fYou shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 11 And gall Israel shall hear and fear and never again do any such wickedness as this among you" .

You remember this but forget what was said about love in the new testament of your own bible... what a shame! A Christian that does not read his bible, you dont even follow what your own bible says, when you font read your own bible anything you are told you just believe, thats a shallow mind .... and i was here engaging you thinking you know what you are doing.

Hahaahahaahahahahahaha...... me that you called an atheist is the same me now teaching you, your bible... lol



This is the last time i will give you attention, when you read your bible, then you can go to search fir any of my post and i fight for mt attention, i am here to realte and discuss smart mind, not thise that cant read. Peace be unto you too.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS" you're saying "it's not possible" because we are used to the wicked system. The business man will not give everyone equal pay because that's what Satan established after the fall of man.
Regarding the illustration you cited Jesus wasn't talking about the wages of workers their but more privilege of service as each is able to manage, the one who can't manage was sacked because he doesn't care about his master's business. This is talking about people claiming they are Christians but aren't ready to do the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned. Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have individuals recording over 100 hours of preaching and teaching monthly and we also have many who only report 5-10 hours monthly depending on their circumstances but the one who is inactive are those who only run after money and anxieties of life leaving the work completely.
If you're looking for an illustration regarding payment go and read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 20:1-15
According to Jesus everyone should earn the same that's when nobody can think of going to rob another. Remember it's because of the difference in pay that made some hire security guards with weapons to protect them from the less privileged. That's what this wicked system of things is promoting!



That's the system we find ourselves so Jesus is not condemning those who became rich due to the setting of this system rather he is telling them to concentrate on how to use it wisely not thinking of how to transfer it to someone simply because that one happens to be their child. So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going. You don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News to members so that each can start planning how to enrich their own family nah! We are not Muslims that will gather money and start thinking of how to transfer it to our children. That's why your religion lacks the spirit of preaching and teaching. An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not, your people only become envious when they see other religions snatching their followers with preaching. Jehovah's Witnesses use the wealth to train all members to become effective preachers and teachers of God's word. We don't promote materialism!/

It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed. The giving Jesus is talking about is not what you're practicing in your Islam where your people are becoming beggars everywhere all because they believe that the rich must give the poor, rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much, that's why each JW globally have quality Bible and other necessary materials to preach and teach no matter the condition of the country they live and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God!

The highlighted shows you don't understand what is happening at all, but i'll help you.
Ògún Priests do put on palm tree leaves and their members will be following their priest going from place to place, even though there are billionaires among them the priest will be asking passersby for money saying to whoever gives him money: "Ògún á gbè ọ́ ọ"
So don't even go there because my own mother come from the family of hunters who worships Ògún and i've followed her to their festivals several times when i was still around 7-10 years of age, i know that Ògún Priests have a day that they do put on their attire to go BEGGING in the streets!

You don't understand what we're discussing at all but i'll help you.
Things meant for the worship is not to be distributed because that's not the purpose for which it was gathered. Remember the poor widow that dropped two coins of little value in the treasury box? Jesus said she's the richest in the sight of God! Luke 21:2-4
The temple was built with gold and costly materials, yet this needy widow still contributed her two coins adding to the billions others are contributing and Jesus said she contributed more than everyone.
What point was he making?
Jesus is emphasizing that no worshiper of God should view the worship as a means of livelihood rather they are all there to contribute their quota not thinking of what they will get from the contributions, in fact Jesus said that's what really makes people happy from the bottom of their hearts knowing fully well that no matter the success of pure worship they are part and parcel of the contributors! Act 20:35
That's why Muslims aren't happy when they're not rich because they feel worthless as the names of contributors are announced with the megaphone while others comes unnoticed by everyone. In pure worship everyone counts because no matter our condition each person contributes to the success of pure worship!



When next you find people on social media ask them about their original.
I'm from the family of Ifádùbí in Abéòkúta so when i speak about African tradition i know more than you do. You're just an atheist who wants to raise an argument against Christianity. I saw this in your first move that's why i said "no matter the religion it is a million times better than atheism" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam you just want to create a confusion among those claiming believers be it Christian or Muslim.
That's why you picked me out of all the commentators because i clearly knocked off atheism (your faculty)
So when i said "your religion" i just wanted to draw you out since you say you have chosen Islam, i know you're lying!
During ọdún ifá in any part of Africa the worshipers must put on white and the snail is their meet that period.
Odù ifá mélòó lo lè kì
Ṣé Èjì-ogbè ni àbí Ọ̀wọ́nri-wòrì ònílàjà Àkẹ̀sán?
My friend just keep your atheism if you don't want to have anything to do with worship i understand but coming to play on people's intelligence thinking you're smart will only work on misinformed Churchgoers and other religionists not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Our Bible is not from the Roman Catholic if you want to know the history of the Bible i can help you!


Just calm down and learn my friend, you still have a long way to go.
I purposely chose to deal with you because you think your lengthy comment will piss me off but i'm responding to expose you that you're not interested in any form of worship rather you're an atheist.
Abraham or Moses didn't establish any form of worship known as Judaism. I told you that Judaism started after the breaking of the kingdom of Israel into two region. The ten northern part began their own form of worship because their King doesn't want them to return to Jerusalem under the King of the southern kingdom. Both region were enslaved by foreigners and by the time they returned to their land they brought some of the cultures of their captors and inculcated into what Moses taught them. That's why the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin known as Jews) separated their own form of worship from the rest of Israel, that's what is known as Judaism.
Despite all these their worship has been polluted with Babylonian reasonings the only thing they have left that relates to the pure worship Solomon (the last king that ruled the whole twelve tribes) is their Temple but there is confusion because there were several sects each claiming they knew better.
So when Jesus arrived to establish pure worship permanently as Moses has foretold centuries before Jesus {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} all the rival sects in Judea formed alliance against him for condemning their teachings!
Matthew 23:1-36
In fact Jesus said Jerusalem will be condemned if these people don't forgo Judaism (the confused religious system they initiated decades after their return from Babylon) and accept Christianity! Matthew 23:37-38
That's why Jesus promised those who accepts Christianity that God's promise to Abraham's descendants regarding the rulership of the earth will not change but it's the center where the government house will be situated that will change. Instead of Jerusalem as proposed before Jesus and his co-rulers will move to another destination and from there they will rule the earth! John 14:1-3

Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you!



It's not about the people who brought the book but the benefits derived from practicing what is found written in the book.
For instance a medical personnel today is through learning and reading book from those who knows better. After the enlightenment gotten from the book he will never permit anyone to jeopardize his health no matter how closely related to him. He will kick out the person or leave the place where his health is at risk. But what led to such action? Well it's enlightenment!

You're mistaken my friend!
It's civilization that's changing so many things not the white man, before now white men do bit their children but as the world is getting to the routine stage children are rebelling against such treatment and some people are taking it round the globe.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't condone such nonsense in our midst so no matter the country we come from we discipline our children to the right perspective!
Remember you're talking about what JWs do globally not what some does in Africa, that's why we are known globally as one big and happy family having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

As for LOVE it doesn't relent from disciplining in righteousness! 2Timothy 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 13:6

May you have PEACE!

You said this


"That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS"


Then said

So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going.



What are u trying to say sir, so now God need unrighteousness to push the word of God? I dont get you shouls shed more light




" you don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News" like you rightl said to propagate the gospel, not to build a billion dollar office and real estate or to buy private jet like the Pentecostal pastors do in 9ja.



With a billions dollars building sold to get an even bigger place nope! Jw dont promote materialism, your leaders actually practise it..lol



Is this " It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed" from your bible or from history or just what you think?



https://www.britannica.com/topic/textile

This is a like to show you that woven garment from from top to bottom without sowing has been in existence long beifre Jesus was born...... i work with fact and figures not sentiment or ignore, study research sir, it aill help you its its very important.



Initially you thought i was a Christian not you think i am a muslim, ok let me ask you a question.... why do you hate muslims?


You can help your brother and leave the Muslim that are begging to beg, mind you the wealthest man in 9ja is a Muslim.

Your bible says love your neighbour as yourself, but your religion makes you understand that it is only Jw you can love.


You said this
" An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not"


Then you said this

" rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much"

Why are you blaming the muslims for doing something you are doing too?

You said they dont care about thier Neighbors you dont care about yours too.... its the same thing ao why do you have an issue with that. They don't kick family members out or treat them like stranger over religion difference. So take a sit.


" and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God " have you seen a babalawo beg on the street? Have you seen a jew beg? When people go to bed they dont carry thier religion banner on thier head, so you cant tell... the only way you tell if the beggers is from the north or a Muslim is because of thier dress. So take a sit dont boast about wealth now after saying it evil. You are blowing hot and cold.




Ignorance is a bastard sha let me educate your ignorance, first a masquerade is inbeded deeply in Our culture and when Masquerade seek money from people its more like a contribution, you know how your ppl ask the person they are preaching to, to support with any amount? Same thing masquerade does, and masquerade is mit an ogun priest... go read about yiur culture or that of yiur father. And now let me tel uou what happens if you give them money they take it back tonthe shrine and pray for financial growth for the givers, and mind you masquerade only come out when a festival or spiritual exercise is going on..... now let me prove to you that a masquerade is not an ogun priest because all over 9ja in the east and north they have masquerade and Ogun is mainly popular and worshiped in the west........... so stop the lies, not everything you think in yout head a true, you say stuff without proof, is that what you are thought in JW?

They teach you guys this false narrative, to make you hate everyone, you are witha phone, information is available to you online, read! Read! And read.... it will help.









A billion dollar property is already too big, why sell it make poor people that cant even feed 3 squaee meal in 9ja donate money to get a bogger building?

Besides the Jesus you claim to be following, did even have a place to rest his head, he was preaching from a boat amd open field and yet he touched the world, if a billion dollar estate is needed to preach or spread the gospel i also think Nigerian pastors buying jet are justified, beside the jet is cheaper than a billion dollar and its needed to fly all ovèr the world spreading the gospel.... unlike a building.... what do u think?



Sir i doubt if you know a thing about IFA tradition, you were born and raised a muslim even if you like add i am ifa to your name, name means nothing if you havent read booksx dont research and practice ifa you know nothing, and your first give away is that you think because you have ifa to your name and you are yoruba so you know ifa no! You dont because ifa (Africa traditional worship) was practised all ober Africa, not just in the yoruba land, and it was even brought to the west from Ethiopia and Egypt... so tale a sit.





You see you are getting in wrong, i dont hate christianity neither am i trying to raise an argument against it, because first this post is about islam, i have read the Quran for the 3 time and i wanted to discuss with our muslim brother about some part mot clear to me, but you just here to distract us.

If i hate christianity how come i quoted BIBLE verse and evem talk about Jesus ? You are about and trying to attack my person because a single grain of truth is crushing your mountain of lies, my only issues is the dogma you practise and not even in your bible, go read all my post.



If you think i am an atheist that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, it doesn't mean its the truth tho.also i have seen atheists with love in thier earth and loving everyone including thier family not minding of thier family members are Christians and not treating thier kids like stranger ober religion, I persoanlly dont judge a man by is religion, i jusge him buy is character, words, actions and his believer system.


If you think being a muslim ir Christian is better than atheist, its your opinion and you are entitled to it, it doesn't necessarily makes it a fact, besides most of your opinion on this matter is not coming from a position of knowledge, so its ok, and in head i know you said that as an insult thinking it will get me triggered...lol
And that says alot, because of you are not hwre to tell us how nice your religion is, you came here to "flex" my (religion is better than yours) that didnt work, then you started trying to win an argument, now that isnt working either you are trying to insult or trigger me and that is absolutely ok by me but also back up your claim with proof from the bible or a verifiable source that is an authority, because from tge start of our back and fort you haven't given me any fact all you do is quite bible verse out of context, but when you get caught you jumo to another topic....lol





You see what ignorance does? I am not close minded like you, i am an Educated black man, this i can entertain an idea without accepting it, i read the Quran for the 3rd time and i wanted to discuss with so we talk and rob minds without any argument or insulting thuer religion, if you check our intial post with some Muslim itbwas respect and civil.



You said this

" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam"


Then you said

"That's why you picked me out of all the commentators"


You are confuse sir, also go check our intial post, i responded to all comments, as amatter of fact some 2 muslim scholars send me a Dm here and now we talking via WhatsApp sharing ideas, also i choose islam because there is a difference between muslim and islam (ignorace is bad) Islam means submitting to the will of God..... just like if an arabic Christian says " allahu akbar " you will say he is a muslim, because you don't he is saying "God is the greatest " in his own tribe being Arabic..... get knowledge and in all thy getting get wisdom!


Isnt it ironic you are mow now claiming Ifa and Jw in 1 breath, i am playing smart? You are the one playing smart like you said you attacked me to get mt attention right? You are the one playing games all i did was ask questions amd show you the double standard and lies in your head with verified proof and you are already throwing a tantrum,




Oh yes you have to help my ignorance, tell me where the jw bible came from, also add verifable proof to that ok?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS" you're saying "it's not possible" because we are used to the wicked system. The business man will not give everyone equal pay because that's what Satan established after the fall of man.
Regarding the illustration you cited Jesus wasn't talking about the wages of workers their but more privilege of service as each is able to manage, the one who can't manage was sacked because he doesn't care about his master's business. This is talking about people claiming they are Christians but aren't ready to do the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned. Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have individuals recording over 100 hours of preaching and teaching monthly and we also have many who only report 5-10 hours monthly depending on their circumstances but the one who is inactive are those who only run after money and anxieties of life leaving the work completely.
If you're looking for an illustration regarding payment go and read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 20:1-15
According to Jesus everyone should earn the same that's when nobody can think of going to rob another. Remember it's because of the difference in pay that made some hire security guards with weapons to protect them from the less privileged. That's what this wicked system of things is promoting!



That's the system we find ourselves so Jesus is not condemning those who became rich due to the setting of this system rather he is telling them to concentrate on how to use it wisely not thinking of how to transfer it to someone simply because that one happens to be their child. So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going. You don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News to members so that each can start planning how to enrich their own family nah! We are not Muslims that will gather money and start thinking of how to transfer it to our children. That's why your religion lacks the spirit of preaching and teaching. An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not, your people only become envious when they see other religions snatching their followers with preaching. Jehovah's Witnesses use the wealth to train all members to become effective preachers and teachers of God's word. We don't promote materialism!/

It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed. The giving Jesus is talking about is not what you're practicing in your Islam where your people are becoming beggars everywhere all because they believe that the rich must give the poor, rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much, that's why each JW globally have quality Bible and other necessary materials to preach and teach no matter the condition of the country they live and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God!

The highlighted shows you don't understand what is happening at all, but i'll help you.
Ògún Priests do put on palm tree leaves and their members will be following their priest going from place to place, even though there are billionaires among them the priest will be asking passersby for money saying to whoever gives him money: "Ògún á gbè ọ́ ọ"
So don't even go there because my own mother come from the family of hunters who worships Ògún and i've followed her to their festivals several times when i was still around 7-10 years of age, i know that Ògún Priests have a day that they do put on their attire to go BEGGING in the streets!

You don't understand what we're discussing at all but i'll help you.
Things meant for the worship is not to be distributed because that's not the purpose for which it was gathered. Remember the poor widow that dropped two coins of little value in the treasury box? Jesus said she's the richest in the sight of God! Luke 21:2-4
The temple was built with gold and costly materials, yet this needy widow still contributed her two coins adding to the billions others are contributing and Jesus said she contributed more than everyone.
What point was he making?
Jesus is emphasizing that no worshiper of God should view the worship as a means of livelihood rather they are all there to contribute their quota not thinking of what they will get from the contributions, in fact Jesus said that's what really makes people happy from the bottom of their hearts knowing fully well that no matter the success of pure worship they are part and parcel of the contributors! Act 20:35
That's why Muslims aren't happy when they're not rich because they feel worthless as the names of contributors are announced with the megaphone while others comes unnoticed by everyone. In pure worship everyone counts because no matter our condition each person contributes to the success of pure worship!



When next you find people on social media ask them about their original.
I'm from the family of Ifádùbí in Abéòkúta so when i speak about African tradition i know more than you do. You're just an atheist who wants to raise an argument against Christianity. I saw this in your first move that's why i said "no matter the religion it is a million times better than atheism" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam you just want to create a confusion among those claiming believers be it Christian or Muslim.
That's why you picked me out of all the commentators because i clearly knocked off atheism (your faculty)
So when i said "your religion" i just wanted to draw you out since you say you have chosen Islam, i know you're lying!
During ọdún ifá in any part of Africa the worshipers must put on white and the snail is their meet that period.
Odù ifá mélòó lo lè kì
Ṣé Èjì-ogbè ni àbí Ọ̀wọ́nri-wòrì ònílàjà Àkẹ̀sán?
My friend just keep your atheism if you don't want to have anything to do with worship i understand but coming to play on people's intelligence thinking you're smart will only work on misinformed Churchgoers and other religionists not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Our Bible is not from the Roman Catholic if you want to know the history of the Bible i can help you!


Just calm down and learn my friend, you still have a long way to go.
I purposely chose to deal with you because you think your lengthy comment will piss me off but i'm responding to expose you that you're not interested in any form of worship rather you're an atheist.
Abraham or Moses didn't establish any form of worship known as Judaism. I told you that Judaism started after the breaking of the kingdom of Israel into two region. The ten northern part began their own form of worship because their King doesn't want them to return to Jerusalem under the King of the southern kingdom. Both region were enslaved by foreigners and by the time they returned to their land they brought some of the cultures of their captors and inculcated into what Moses taught them. That's why the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin known as Jews) separated their own form of worship from the rest of Israel, that's what is known as Judaism.
Despite all these their worship has been polluted with Babylonian reasonings the only thing they have left that relates to the pure worship Solomon (the last king that ruled the whole twelve tribes) is their Temple but there is confusion because there were several sects each claiming they knew better.
So when Jesus arrived to establish pure worship permanently as Moses has foretold centuries before Jesus {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} all the rival sects in Judea formed alliance against him for condemning their teachings!
Matthew 23:1-36
In fact Jesus said Jerusalem will be condemned if these people don't forgo Judaism (the confused religious system they initiated decades after their return from Babylon) and accept Christianity! Matthew 23:37-38
That's why Jesus promised those who accepts Christianity that God's promise to Abraham's descendants regarding the rulership of the earth will not change but it's the center where the government house will be situated that will change. Instead of Jerusalem as proposed before Jesus and his co-rulers will move to another destination and from there they will rule the earth! John 14:1-3

Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you!



It's not about the people who brought the book but the benefits derived from practicing what is found written in the book.
For instance a medical personnel today is through learning and reading book from those who knows better. After the enlightenment gotten from the book he will never permit anyone to jeopardize his health no matter how closely related to him. He will kick out the person or leave the place where his health is at risk. But what led to such action? Well it's enlightenment!

You're mistaken my friend!
It's civilization that's changing so many things not the white man, before now white men do bit their children but as the world is getting to the routine stage children are rebelling against such treatment and some people are taking it round the globe.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't condone such nonsense in our midst so no matter the country we come from we discipline our children to the right perspective!
Remember you're talking about what JWs do globally not what some does in Africa, that's why we are known globally as one big and happy family having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

As for LOVE it doesn't relent from disciplining in righteousness! 2Timothy 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 13:6

May you have PEACE!

Ok how dod did satan after his fall "created" unequal pay in offices or businesses...

MaxInDHouse:
That simply means the cloth is not man-made!


You missed it!
Jesus was in a boat because most of his followers were fishermen so they're used to sea-life but Jesus is a carpenter that's why he wasn't peddling the boat along with them.

There is a part i dont get, i dont know causes armed robbery .... but what do you mean by ubder pay? How do we calculate the pay to give a person?

Also i dont think its fair for everyone to earn same salary, i own businesses and i iniw hiw tasking it is to setup one, and how some are capital intensive. So you mean a ceo like dangite that has spent his whole life building his business should earn same as a cleaner or a gate man? It makes no sense.


Even among workers, they dont do same job for instance a typist should nit earn same as a medical doctor who has spent al ost his whole life learning, same way...... even in yiur bible Jesus made an illustration of people that the master gave talent, when they came back the first diubled his own while the last didnt he took all from the dude that didnt double his talent and gave it all to the dude that doubled his won.....


And its a wrong mindset to think all wealth is evil, now you are in a fix when asked abiur the wealthy person in Jw are they evil too?

Do you know that watch tower is worth about 1 billion dollar? Majority of that money came from donation from person who donated to help the poor and print tracks right? But they held it and use it to something else, what do you have to say abiut that? Is that right?




Also the garment jesus wore was man made sir, no where in your bible was it state that he brought the garment from heaven.and if you check yiur histiry yoh will realise at the time jesus was crucified those kind if garment were very popular among the wealthy class.



You keep quoting one verse as proof that all wealth is evil, your Jesus is againt ill gotten wealth.... isnt not the ssme bible that God ask people to gibe to ghe poor and needy and to his servants tithe and he will por them bkess and open the window of heavens?


All over yiur bible i can show you verse where Jesus asked the rich to give generously to the poor, he didn't ask every person of means to sell it and be poor because poverty doesn't not guaranteen heaven same as wealth.





Watchtower is worth 1billion dollar why habbr they shared that? They sold it and added money to it to get a bigger and more expensive place, why didnt they share that? Have you asked yiur leaders sir?





Also they are poor and rich people every where, have you seen anyone begging in the name of ogun? Does that mean every ogun worshippers ia a millionaire? Nope..... so get off yiur high horse, in my travels all pher Nigeria offerinf free medical aid, i have come across alot of person including jw that could not afford. Medical bills and came for free health care, tbey are jw living in abject poverty so leave that out of the equation.







My religion is worthless? That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, so you all contributed 1 billion dollar for offices ? And we have jw in Nigerian and all pber Africa and asia living in poverty? Dying if various illnesses including covid? That money coukd have been use to help the poor or according to your logic shared equally among the poor among you guys
but no! Offices are better.

Same way Rutherford (Russell successor founder of jw) bought a masion in California saying Abraham, issac and jacob will come back to earth and the masion he bought is where they will live...... (dont bliv me, go do your research)


I bet you dont even own a house, and you donated over a billion dollar? For watch tower building? Lol..... see why i hate religion but love spirituality. Leadership is cashing out, while follower are milked... lol



My religion is Ifa what you call Africa traditional worshipper, you know nothing about my religjon so dont advertise your ignorance yet again, my religion (as you call it) does not favoir only the rich as you claim, it favors the rich and the poor alike.
But yours, i know about yiur false religion i have read the bible, and i have even read the Ethiopian bible and even the first version of kjv and new living translation..




Do you know that bible you are defendinf was giving to you by the roman Catholics? Same roman Catholics yiur Jw hate so much.... i bet you dint knows...lol







Ok Jesus spoke again Judaism? Ok show me proof and moses didn't found judaism, Abraham did.... you dont even know your bible.



Now let me show you how worthless my spirituality is according to your shallow mind, Abraham founded Judaism and he did that afyer coming to Africa and marrying a black woman (in the bible and history anywhwre you see cush, sheba ir Ethiopia it means Africans or black people)

Your bible says Numbers 12:1 states that Moses was criticized by his older siblings for having married a "Cushite woman"...... now this cushite woman called hagar brought alot of African spirituality woth her that was lifted into and formed tbe core of Judaism, now another very prominent figure the person of Moses also brought in alot of Acrican spirituality into Judaism, stuff mises learned from Egypt growing up.......... so now you see my worthless religion or spirituality gave birth to yours........ Judaism came from African traditions spirituality, anr christianity came out from judaism............ so your religion is photocopy of photocopy............. i guess now we know which religion is worthless.









If a monkey which we all say is lower than man, can and will love their child no matter what, but you that call your self human ir higher animal will kick yojt child and your family out of yiur life, excommunicate, and treat them like stranger because they choose another religion other than the perfect one you think you choose....... then sir you are lower than a monkey.
( and that is me putting it respectfully)


So you willing to kick out your family over a book the white man gave to you? Same white man that enslaved your ancestors for pver 400 years? The same book that most of the text in it was written in Africa long before christianity ir judaism was even formed? You dont even know go do a research and expand your shallow mind.



Mesopotamia book of the dead, your very wise solomon didnt even write the book of proverbs, it was actually written by the father, husband and son of the queen of sheba, yes same Queen of sheba in your bible that came to pay solomon a visit, she came woth those wrtting and gold Solomon usedbin building the temple ( don't take my words for it go look it up)




Africans dont read, thus anything the white man tells you... you will do. The white man will never treat his child like a stranger, same people thatbtold you spare the tod and spoil the chikd, but they dont beat thier kids..... but over here we beat our kids like animals and quote the bible to ease our conscience.






All over yiur bible its wrotten God is loce, love your neighbour etc....... but here i am an ifa worshipper teaching you about love. Such a shame

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Who has iphone 11 or S xmax for sale i need urgently..... iwatch needed too....

MaxInDHouse:
Wealth is from unrighteous riches that's why Jesus urged the rich man to sell everything and give it all to the poor! Luke 18:18-23

So i know that truth is bitter but that's no problem, you've heard it from me go and find out if there is any billionaire who never deprive others of what they deserve in a way or another. That's why we don't praise them for whatever they give back to the poor because they got it through depriving people of good life!

As for cleanliness, i told you that JWs knows it's importance so if everyone on this planet is a JW there will be less or no sickness at all. It's the negligence of unbelievers that's causing sickness!


We all know that Adam and Eve were the first humans to step their foot on this planet but now they're both gone for good, i relate with my God now through our everlasting father (Jesus Christ) do you agree with me that Jesus is your father too?
Because if not then you're not my brother but neighbour!

Thats funny, i woukd have enagage you regarding the wealth thing, but you are not up for conversation... Go check your bible and you will realize Jesus was not poor, your bible says his garment was woven in one piece from neck to hem ( that mean there was no join join as we call it, that garment is whatbee call "alreadg made" today)...... a poor man will not wear already made garment.


Also your bible says he was on a boat sleeping, the only place u can sleep on a boat or any means of transportation is where we call forst class today.... poor man cant fly first class.


Lastly your bible says he has an accountant, what does a poor man need an accountant for? So you see..... you read your buble like its a story body.


Any religion based on hate will self destruct......



Also can you give me a very practival example of wealthy persom that took from thw poor? Maybe we should use bill gate as a case study.



Also you said some wealthy brother in Jw do contribute money to watch tower, which is a good thing.... but then you also said all wealthy people make their wealth in a dirty way, so you know they are evil and bad people in jw giving money they took from poor people, why havsnt you guys chase them out of Jw or reject thier money?



And also like the verse you quoted Jesus told the rich man to sell off all he owns, your watch tower is worth billiona of dollar why havent it been sold and the money used to help the poor Jw world wide? Rather they sold it added some extra billions (poor people money) and bought an even bigger place.


So you are preachinf stuff you dknt practise, usinf your logic watxh tower took money world wide from poor people and use it to fund expensice stuff not needed.



( i am waiting for u to come tell me not all wealth are dirty or ill gotten i will show you your previous messages)


Now Mr Neighbors, i have a question you sae this post evidently for muslims why did you decide to leave your high tower and come here? Since you hate us so much.



Side note: if Jesus come back to earth today, you will probably hate him too because i am very sure he will not practising the religion you approve of, as a natter of fact Yeshua (Jesus) when on earth practise Judaism, and he did that till he was crucified and not once did he speak again Judaism he only spoke againt the leaders and some things they allowed in the temple.


I bet you will probably cut him off and excommunicate him.


If jw is the way why make it hard for people to leave? Sounds like a cult to me now.

To my Muslim brothers, W sallam.

MaxInDHouse:
The strength we all have comes from God whether we use it for good or evil so keep that as a simple expression of fact that even the one who happens to have stolen from the poor can only claim what he stole when their is life!

The costly possession were gotten from the contributions of our wealthy brothers and sisters in rich countries now we are putting it up for sale to care for the spiritual need of those in poor countries. For instance, there are brothers like Charles Russell who left a fortune for the organization to cater for the need of others. This man sold everything he acquired in the world only to start using it for printing Bibles and other publications to help people who need these things. Many have followed footstep and now we have properties worth millions of dollars when some of our brothers in poor countries can't even afford a place of worship. So we're putting all these out for sale!

Do you know what it means when someone say this thing is free?
Well it simply means whether you have money or not you can have it. So if some people now deemed it necessary to contribute in making the publications available for everyone how come you're trying so hard to deny the fact that it's still FREE?
Well let me just assume that you don't know what it means for something to be Free.
What has the death caused by a global pandemic that cut across all race and class got to do with cleanliness?
Perhaps you've forgotten what you said earlier that the rich lives in clean environment yet it's the same class that died mostly in this side of the world through Covid19. So people got infected through breath from infected persons not dirt!

You're not one of us so you don't know that it's the same people using the facilities that are trained to clean it. Chei see ignorance!
Well for your information, it's JWs who are using the facilities that are cleaning it.
That's what moved me the first time i attended JW assembly. I noticed a man about 58 who came with his family in a limo cleaning the toilets with other members. That's the day i knew JWs don't value class like other religions!

Faith is about knowledge and wisdom so you're free to question any religion that comes your way. It's good as in wise to do so.
As for the one and only true religion God approves the Bible said: They will educate themselves and eradicate politics and racism (the two major cause of hatred among people) they will divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, they will erase the use of weapons from their hearts and stop military services for good! Isaiah 2:2-4; Malachi 4:1-3

You yourself have confirmed that JWs are selling properties worth millions of dollars and i've told you what we are using the money for.
I hope your choice religion could do the same.

By the way, you're my neighbour not my brother. You and i aren't related in any way so the only way we know each other now is through faceless social media on Nairaland!

From this

" My friend, the truth is that wealth is tied to stealing from the poor. One way or another people who deprive their fellowman the right to good things that's how wealth comes "

" where did they get the billions they're using for their philanthropic exercises?
Is it not by stealing from the poor? "



You went to this....

" The costly possession were gotten from the contributions of our wealthy brothers and sisters"

So you mean you have evil wealthy people in Jw contrinuting money? since you believe all wealth is evil...... i am just curious.




The founder of the Jw was though by Russel now where did Russel made his money from? He was broke before he started the movement that Rutherfordniw names Jw..... you want proof? Lol


The publication are only free if the receiver refuse to pay, many a time they come to me and preach and say we have something for you, then ask me to supoort or contribute.... then when i decline contributing they then say on for free...... if people already contribute and paid so its free why still asking for contributions in the street? Lol
You hate non jw so much but you can collect our money?



From this

" if everyone is a JW there will be no reason for sicknesses because JWs believe that when you're dirty .......


You went to this

" What has the death caused by a global pandemic that cut across all race and class got to do with cleanliness?
Perhaps you've forgotten what you said earlier that the rich lives in clean environment yet it's the same class that died mostly in this side of the world through Covid19. So people got infected through breath from infected persons not dirt "

oh i thought you said they will be no sickness cos jw cleaning habit is solution to all illness.

You see now you are confuse because i told you being clean is good but its not the cure for all ilness, there is a space for science in the physical health of man.






You dont even know what is happening in your set, this the reason they are selling off the ill gotten ( using your logic) 1 billion dollar property

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jehovahs-witnesses-sell-watchtower-for-dollar1bn-nqcf58675


They are selling off the property because want to relocating the HQ to an even bigger and mkre expensive place.... check the article (you don't believe me, go research and see)



I know you are tryjng hard to defend your religion, but please get knowledge about the bible and its origin and what you are practicing the history, favt figures abs all .......i am not askjng you to come do ifa with me, in your own sect try and strive to know just every thjng about what you practising and history, because from this our little chit chat i already know you are half baked, you couldn't even quote a bible verse correctly you took it out of contex.


Read my brother, travel, visit places and people... watch movies it will expand your mind and give you deeper understanding, don't be a feather weight in the religion you claim to love so much, and also you religionis soly about love, not competing, in your last post you dint even know what i practice but you alresdy assumeit cant do what jw is doing........ that is ignorace at it finest, if there is a scale for ignorace i bet you broke that scale over and over in the course of our little back and forth here, no wonder you are deleting your post you made on this topic.....


Lastly your bible says we are all from Adam and eve, that makes us one family, you are my brother ....lol


After this i will only reply u if you dont back up you stance with verified proof or reference to your bible. Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
It's a pity you don't understand what i am saying here but let me simplify it for you now.
I'm not saying JWs are perfect humans but the rules guiding us will never let someone in our midst steal, fornicate or commit adultery and expect fellow JWs to view you as a dedicated member. So if something is missing and anyone founds it in our midst the only way to prove that there is miracles in your life is by presenting the lost item to the lost and found counter not keeping it for yourself because nobody will celebrate you in our midst when you become rich all of a sudden, in fact you'll be the first suspect when anything is missing!

What i am saying is JWs are known in their neighbourhood so it's impossible for a JW to beg for money, even our kids are taught to be contented with whatever they have never to beg for anything from strangers. That's why i can confidently tell you that there is no JW that's a beggar!


My friend, the truth is that wealth is tied to stealing from the poor. One way or another people who deprive their fellowman the right to good things that's how wealth comes, that's why Jesus referred to wealth as "unrighteous riches" {Luke 16:9} this simply means that Christians who has once been depriving their fellowman of good things and got wealthy through that means should stop such acts and whatever they've acquired in the past should be channeled now to helping their fellow believers who happens to be less privileged to get the needed things! Luke 18:18-23
So all the estates of watchtower comes through the contributions of people both rich and poor who wants to play their part in helping others to get what we need now, which is the spiritual things like Bibles and other information materials. That's why all our books are FREE!

When you are my neighbour what i owe you is the love for every living person around me. So if you're related to me by blood and i have what it takes to help you i'll do what is within my capability, but when you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses then i must go extra miles to see to it that what you need is provided. For instance i can't go to a fellow JW demanding a help for someone who is not a JW simply because that person is related to me, but i can walk up to any of my JW brothers and sisters to tell them what our fellow believer needs if i'm not buoyant enough to solve it.
Ordinarily i'm a shy person who will rather remain hungry than going to beg strangers for food, it's JWs that taught me never to hide my problems from fellow believers, so if i now see a fellow believer in need and i can't solve the problem then it's my duty to go and meet other brothers to help our brother in faith but i can't do such for a neighbour who isn't related to us in the faith. That's why someone who is not related to me in the faith can't have the same privileged as my family in the faith!





"Prevention is better than cure" doesn't mean bad things will not happen but when it does then it's the duty of the society as a whole to help not my own personal responsibility.
So before people gets into trouble we strive to warn them of the consequences of their actions. For instance a JW mustn't commit fornication or adultery but most people don't see it as evil until they contact STDs. So whose responsibility is it to start looking for cure when people in your neighbourhood are infected with HIV or AIDS? Is it not the government? We have played our part in trying to prevent such but when they ignore then it's not our duty to spend our hard earned money (which we also need) on people who deliberately ignore us!


When we're talking about poverty it's everywhere in the world. The richest nation on this planet do have their own beggars in their streets. So it's not about a country but the thoughts in the minds of each person. A JW knows that it's a sin for him to beg strangers for food because it defames the name of our God. So whatever can lead him/her into such situations must be totally avoided. Even if it means cutting our expenses to the lowest minimum. That's why i can confidently tell you that there's no beggar among JWs!

The hypocrisy is not about helping but blowing trumpet ahead for everyone to know what you do to help others. So don't get me wrong.
Honest hearted and sincere individuals who wants to help will not show their faces or let their names be known. But evil people who have stolen from the poor will always want everyone to see them as philanthropist in the society, because their conscience is disturbing them over the source of their wealth so they want everyone to see them as good people.
When you here of estates worth billions of dollars owned by Watchtower do you think it falls from heaven? No! It's the contributions of all members so nobody knows who contributed high or low all we know is that our God is taking good care of His worshipers with the contributions from His worshipers!


Thank God you're a medical personnel.
Now what do you think about people who depends on others to take good care of their homes? Remember the cleaners are paid to do the job not because they love to see your home clean. That's what i am saying. JWs are taught that a dirty person has nothing to do with our God. So each person strives to make sure that his homes are kept tidy since our God won't appreciate you if you're dirty.
Those paying others to clean their homes for them won't see Paradise because they're not used to doing what we are going to do there: each person taking good care of his own home!

Aint that funny how you now talking from both sides of your mouth, but its ok it shows you have seen how faulty your sentiment fanatistic stance is.



Also you said wealth is tied to stealing...... now let me engage you with your bible...... in Deuteronomy 8:18 your bible says God gives strength to make wealth ( so u mean God gives the wealty strength to steal from the poor) your bible says God gives wealth and added no sorrow..... you see before you quote a bible verse out of context make sure you read the chapter so you get the full understandingof that verse, Luke 16:9 didnt say all wealth is evil or unrighteous, if you read the chapter Jesus was teaching against making friends and following the ways of dishonest people that makes "unrighteousness wealth"

Why did you decied to pick unrighteousness wealth mentions as proof that all wealth is dirty and unrighteous? ........ you came here initially to show how awesome your religion, you are not in a fix now trying to win an argument that is ego sir keep it in check.

if watch tower truly want to help the poor amongt Jw then i dont see why they need an office building that is worth over a billion dollar, how many aid have yoi gotten from the international body to support your business? 1billion dollar off for an NGO is misappropriation of funds, its stealing because the donation was not made to build multi million dollar office, stuf like these are what the Nigeria government can do.... its corruption sir.




Your books are not free, you ask for support and not just from us also from various government bodies around the world including the united nations (UN) the ssme organisation you people vehemently preach again, if you want proof i wil just ask..lol





Why is it that when i ask you a direct question you just dont answer it, do you knownhow many people covid killed in your sect?


I stilk want to know how dirt can cause diabetes or hiv?




Can you back up your last paragraph about people not clea ing thier homes by them self and the will not enter paradise? Or is that what you formed in your head because theybtold you rich people are evil, wealth is bad so sell off all what you have and donate it..... meanwhile your leaders in USA (watch tower) are sitting on a 1 billion dollar property use as HQ... do you think they are cleaning that massive property by themselves? Lol



See how you going back on your words now.... i havent even open the bible to engage you yet sir.



Love and light my brother, i pray your quest for God should not die but should be based on knowledge. Thanks for your time.


Surprisingly you can "speak" braggadiously anymore because you know, we will ask questions and we work with facts and figures here.

newwater:
Your religion on and on always go along been dogmatic as usual always by your crook mind that satan allotted to you freely, it is not difficult for you to find deceptive and misleading evidence even though you have gotten the truth. Israel where prophet Issa (pbh) was born know the true about the Christian as a religion. The Gospel had been change completely to suit and protect the Devil and his Cohort like you ego. See abeg continue

Same isreal that is a jewish nation? You don confuse me bros slow down sir, can you throw more light on that sir...... lets emotions aside we are just discussing

orisa37:
Greenholics

In all of The above, THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLIES SHOULD CORRECT THE ILLS OF NIGERIA.

"All" that means they have to bring down the constitution.....How do u think they can do that remember went going into office they sworn to uo held the constitution going against it after that is an act of treason.

MaxInDHouse:
You've solve the riddle here yourself!
You were at the convention (invited) and you're not one of us, so there are many who are not JWs there!

You missed the point here!
In Israel there were rich as well as poor people but there is no street beggar who is a servant of God {Psalms 23:1; 37:25} so we have billionaires families as well as poor families too but you can never find any JW begging in the streets, it simply means we are ever contented with whatever we have be it little or much. The organization is not kicking against tertiary institution but what the organization is telling us not to rely on it as a means of making ends meet. Many have been there with good grades but end up ridding okada. Due to disappointment after spending a lot of money and time in the universities many were frustrated and that's why we have more criminals in the society today. Had it been they depended on trades or crafts that will never loose it's value they will not have ended up in disappointment.

I love this so much!
Love is not what you give people when they're suffering but what you do to prevent suffering in the society! The same people building schools and hospitals are the ones that's making it difficult for people to get good jobs and creating things that's causing sickness.
For instance, where did they get the billions they're using for their philanthropic exercises?
Is it not by stealing from the poor?
Well let tell you how true LOVE works then compare to what people are practicing out there.
LOVE is when you take the initiative to prevent the evil instead of allowing the evil or even being part of it's cause then hypocritically showing yourself as one who wants to help.
JWs taught us to speak with our neighbours on the things causing poverty, strife, jealousy and hatred in the society. By so doing many will cut their coat according to their size as in living within their means not thinking of becoming billionaires overnight. This are the things leading to trouble if everyone is a JW there will be no reason for sicknesses because JWs believe that when you're dirty you have nothing to do with our God so we keep our surroundings clean and neat always. But in the society we live today picking up cleaning tools is a taboo to the billionaire. Come to our gathering and see how cleaning tools are distributed to everyone so that each person takes part in the cleaning both young and old rich and poor. This is because we strongly believe that in Paradise there will not be injustice or inequality so nobody will clean your surroundings for you when they don't need anything from you neither can you be richer than them. Therefore whoever refuse to participate in such cleaning now will not enter the kingdom of our God!

Do you now see the difference?

Thus you dont know who stole the stuff, it might even your most dedicated members, I know perosnally of Jw faithful that does runs, as a matter of fact when i attended Jw program i was to marry one and i dont want to go into th not so upright part i had to deal with, so my brother dont come here to paint it like everyone is evil except JW, they are good and bad people and its perculiar to one set or race, its a fallacy and it is not what a spiritually enlightened person should say.




You see, try as much as possible to remove sentiment from fact, did you do an head count and investigation that shows no Jw faithfuls are beggers come on! They are beggers in isreal, same way they are beggers in Rome and in UAE, but that does not in any way or form put a limit on what God can do......
You know these are stuff they tell you guys and it lacks verifiable foundations, and lets get our head on the right side, even if even if we all have billions of dollars, if there is no love that money is nothing, when love is missing, it turn a religion into a cult.
And you see these begger issues, its only a gospel that can only be pushed in the poor side of Africa, in a civilised world where billionaire use train and public amenities how do you want to use "no begger in Jw" as a prove that there is love manifestingbat its finest in the kingdom hall, come on we have to get the poverty mentality off your mind sir.





Judging by your last paragraph every body doing good and giving back to the community got thier wealth through an evil means? It is funny you said that because few paragraphs ago you just bragged that no begger in your set and you guys support each other does that mean you are getting your wealth from an evil means ?

Ok check this " In 2016, three more properties valued at an estimated $850 million to $1 billion—including the headquarters building—were put up for sale. The WatchTower Society reached a deal to sell the headquarters at Columbia Heights for $700 million" (from wikipedia you can go look it up)

Is this from an evil source too? Does it mean the watch tower got this money by putting people in hardship?
Also get this part, the fact that a person is a financially doing well does not mean he is the cause of all the evil happening, not all wealth people are evil.


Its funny you still havent replied what i asked, so you will treat your kids and parents like strangers because they visited a catholic church or took blood transfusion or maybe decided not to be a memberof JW? I really want yiur reply on this.



Ok you said love is when you prevent a thing from happening rather then fixing it when it happens but you forget some issues are laced in the fabric of society even before you and I come to this world.
For example if i give food to an homeless person, then i dont love him because some 40year ago he made a wrong financial decision (that kind of put him in a bad situation ) now) so are you saying i dont love the person in question because i didnt stop him from making the wrong decision?(not minding the fact that i was not even born 40yrs ago l)..... u see how that logic of yours failed?




What does Burundy, Nigeria, Centra Africa republic, Congo, Niger and Malawi have in common? They are within the first 15 poorest country in the world ....... also in Africa they are within first 15 countries with highest number of Jw faithfuls...... no begger in Jw? Facts proved otherwise.


Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world with over 89million people living in poverty, do you think these 89million people are solely from other religion and none from your own religion? So my oga instead of telling your neighbour how to get out or the causes of poverty you guys should be fixing yourself with that knowledge.

See how fake it goes, you lphe your neighbor so much that you try to go about life and avoid poverty, but if your mother decides to folow that Neighbors of yours to his church, you will turn your mother to a stranger?excommunicate her and will mot even soeak to her...... that is the definition of fake love sir.





Also If me trying to help like you say makes me an hypocrite or look like one..... dont you think you preaching in public places and knocking peoples door makes you an hypocrite too? (Using your logic) (same people you are willing to treat your family members as strangers of they become close fridnd with or marry or accompany to church)


Let me quickly say this because i am a man and a Nigerian first before i took the white man religion, When a man is dying, i dont care what people think about me when i am trying to help him, if me looking like an hypocrite is the price i have to pay for spreading love? For helping? then i am willing to pay that, at the end of the day the Christ you said you following didnt do his miracle in hidden places.





So you mean dirtiness are the cause of sickness? Maybe you should explain to us how a dirty environment causes diabetes or cancer..... i am a medical doctor are you trying to tell me Jw are so clean they dont fall ill? I have personally treated alot......You see what religion does? What makes you think every rich person is evil?

first off wealthy people live in clean places because they can afford the best kind of cleaners, i put it to you if bills gate step his foot in your bathromm he will run away. (No insult intended)



Also you said who does not participate in these cleaning exercise will not enter paradise, can you back that up with a biblical reference.

But before you do that here is a link watch town dumping harmful chemicla in land fills and water bodies thus killing aquatic ecosystems and cuting off available of clean drinking water from these water bodies


https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/pollution.php


You sure say watch tower people go make paradise so?

MaxInDHouse:
You missed the highlighted!

There's no religion that love their fellow believers talkless neighbours apart from Jehovah's Witnesses.
Love is not when you go about giving alms to beggars in your streets, if you truly wish someone well you should put him in position of your blood brother. Who will be comfortable seeing his own brother or sister sitting beside the road and begging for money then walk straight to him/her to give yours?
Of course your aim will be to get him/her off that place by getting him/her something to do to earn a living and forgo begging.
Jehovah's Witnesses love and care for neighbours but our love for fellow believers surpasses that of neighbour that's what i'm saying. There's no religion having such love for fellow believers, each person is after his/her own life unlike Jehovah's Witnesses who must find ways to get to know the needs of our fellow believer and do everything within our power to assist them.
For your information, you can never see a beggar in any part of this planet that's a member of Jehovah's Witnesses! Psalms 23:1

Let me quickly address this before we move on, seems you love this armed robber and burglary illustration, let me address that briefly.......have you met a person that told you he robs for a living? I bet no! But they are people robbing other daily right? So u really don't know if the robbers are Christians, muslims or from your set.... now when you go for your kingdom hall national or international convention (i have been to 1 in Edo state very beautiful piece of land at Ewu) people personal stuff gets missing in such conversion too....... so what am i tryjng to say, people don't steal because they hate you, 90% of the time stealing is tied to poverty or lack(not making excuses for them) but i think its a falacy to use that, in judge how much love we have for each other, because even in your set that love each other so much, sometimes people stuff still get missing.


Even among Jw they are poor people, Jw international have enough money to make every Jweee person on the world a million, lets not go in that part, alm giving to the poor is also a mean to show love and its in your bible, i have a friend in lagos born and breed Jw she is not educate, do you know what she does? She works for a beauty shop and fixes eye lashes. But i know people that own schools in her kingdom hall, they told her not to go to school that she will be corrupted and she should wait for the wisdom of God... so dont go there sir! I have done an extensice study on watch tower from when and where it started, and i tell u this for free its a multi billion dollar foundation, if you want us to really talk About Jw.... you can come on club house download the app on your phone, or make a post about that and i will come engage you with fact and figures, i am not going to fight you or your religion but dont come with false information please and beside this is islam related discussion post,lets not derail.



B4 i go....1 last thing............

There is no religion that loves thier people? Is this a fact, if it is can maybe prove it. Can you name a thing you guys have done and implement world wide to help all Jw member? For example i know churches that owns free helalth center for women and children, i also know church that built schools for various communities, i have also seen skme of our islamic brother come together to gge back not just to the community.... If i have to love only the people in my religion then its not true love, do you know When Jesus was on earth he wasn't a Christian? The religion he practised was Judaism (dont take my world for it ho look it up) that is to say if you and Jesus lives on the same street, you will probably not treat him like a brother.




I have been a Christian, i have been a muslim i studied Judaism extensively and now i pravtise Ifa and i can tell you for free all these religion love themselves ..... for example if muslim man lies to his brother its regarded as a grave sin woth serious consequences, the headquarters of my businesses is located in Abuja my manager is a muslim do you know the kind of doors that has open for the business already? (Let me not go into that) ....Just because he is a Muslim fellow Muslim will do everything to make sure he ok... thats love sir.




We are eductaed people let us not lets not dive into the temptation of turning a sentiment statement to universal truth, if i cant love my brother because he decides to be of another religion or faith them that is not true love. That is a cage, its a cult! Even Jesus walled vissted and ate with "sinner" .... until you realize there is a different betwen religion and spirituality, you will keep falling for any doctrine...... and God hate religion (its in ur bible)




Let me tell u what true love is, i didnt understand this understand my daughter was born , if the love is not unconditionally then its not pure (not my words its in your bible) when i held my daughter in my arms for the first time, i felt true love! Unconditional true love, tied to nothing but love its self like there is nothing she can or will do that will make he hate her.Let me show you how i am doing it, what we've done as a group so far and the result throughout the world.


Or should i tell u how many kids and women i have watch die because your set refuse blood transfusion? Or you dont know of the blood transfusion issues? If you love yours you will not let then die over blood transfusion but when we give you guys antibiotics you will take not knowing antibiotics is blood as well (if you doubt me go look it up) ...... if your bible or God told you not to take blood transfusion then its only right he will come heal them right? But nope! They didnt get healed and i have to watch them die.

motayoayinde:
haehymbahd ADDED SOME VITAL INFORMATION TO THOSE ALREADY GIVEN ON THIS (,May Allah reward him)

I'LL GIVE A FEW MORE:

A MUSLIM IS A DECENT PERSON IN ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE. BECAUSE DECENCY IN PRIVATE AND IN PUBLIC IS A CORE VALUE OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH.

WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT HE'S HONEST, TRUTHFUL IN SPEECH, SELFLESS, GENEROUS AND CHASTE.

Ok awesome, awesome, awesome.

orisa37:
IFA OF OLODUMARE TEACHES US NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS BUT YOU CAN CORRECT. CORRECTION IS A LESSON FROM ABOVE. JUDGEMENT IS A PERSECUTION.

LATE SHEIK GUMI REPENTED. BEFORE HE FINALLY DIED, HE RECEIVED ANOBI ISAH. HE IS IN HEAVEN IJN.

HIS SON, THE CURRENT SHEIK GUMI IS EXPLOITING AND JUDGING EVERY SITUATION.THIS IS A CORRECTION NOT A PERSECUTION.

Lol you are trying to merge 2 things as equal, not knowing one is a giant and the other is an atom.... and you still didnt the proof, or maybe you coukd probide proof to this sheikh Gumi claims you just made, this is 2021 sentiment and hearsay dont work anymore.


Lastly you too the word "judgement" out of context in a bid to sound smart, forget that Judgement i used meant to "form an opinion about a thing" ......

haekymbahd:
First of Allah means God in Arabic.

Muslim by difinition means submission to the will of God and the will of God is to worship him alone and not associate any partner with him if you truly look at the message of previous prophets before muhammad it was the same.

Allah SWT said:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
(QS. Adh-Dhaariyat 51: Verse 56)

To be regarded as a true Muslim one has to fulfill all the 5 pillars of Islam

1. Shahadah: Beleive that there is no other god except God (Allah) and prophet Muhammad was a messenger of God

2. Salat: Prayer

3. Fasting in the month of Ramadan

4. Zakat: Giving alms to poor

5. Hajj: Making pilgrimage to mecca for those who have the capacity to go


Also Avoidance of sin

Allah SWT said:

"Say, Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 151)




Beleive in all the Messengers of God without excluding even one of them

Allah SWT said:

"Say, We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 84)

Awesome..... thanks for yiur reply.


Does islam and Muslim mean same thing?

MaxInDHouse:
Charity begins at home but it doesn't end there!
According to my faith i must love everyone as i love myself, this means whatever i know i will not tolerate i shouldn't do to others around me. So if i don't want anyone to steal my things i mustn't steal what belongs to others.
Most people often say that's what they believe too but what if you found a bag full of money along your way what should you do since you want to treat others as you'll love to be treated? My faith says "leave that bag their or take it to the authorities and make sure it is returned to the owner" in that way you're laying a good example that if you mistakenly lost something you can just retrace your steps and find it exactly where it fell from you or where you forgot it. Whoever picked it and will not give you the opportunity to regain it doesn't love his neighbour like himself!



"We must love those who have this same line of thought just as the teacher who taught this thing love those who accepted the teaching'
Meaning we must treat our fellow believers like our own blood. No more as we love ourselves but be prepared to die for them if the need be.
But when someone who has known this choose to say goodbye then such a person is leaving everything we know behind definitely such a person shouldn't be treated as our family anymore because he/she is no longer our family in the same line of thought.
Such a person is worse than those who never tasted the good thing so we will treat him or her like a total stranger!

For instance, we are living in Nigeria so under normal conditions we should be treated as Nigerians, but when someone says the "Nigerian system is not OK for him" nobody can force him to stay. So such a person is free to move to another country and there he will continue to claim the right of citizenship when he's meeting up with their requirements.

What about a person who hates Nigeria and going everywhere saying bad things about Nigeria? Everything done here seems stupid to him and the citizens he views as idiots. Do you expect such a person to be treated the same way Nigerians who are prepared to give all their support to the nation? Surely not!

Many people have left our organization and they are going about saying bad things about our group, they even want others to leave the group because they feel what we are doing doesn't make any sense. Yet they want to be treated the same way we treat those who are still giving their support to the organization.
Is it reasonable to continue treating them like members simply because they were formerly with us? NO!
Since they have chosen to leave they can go and share whatever they have with anyone with whom they're comfortable but in our midst they are no longer cherished like members of our global family.
That's why many of them are agitating behind the spiritual walls of our organization saying bad things about us.

Hi thanks for this, its awesome i so much love the forst oart of yiur submission its a beautiful and awesome thing to do, treating people and situations how you want to be treated.



But the part i dont understand this, initially you stated why you left a set of people using megaphone and all they do and all they love are "thier" own people, and now this new set you found are doing the exact same thing of loving just the persons that have same beliefs? Its like both set has similarities in tguer belief system, can you please throw more light in this aspect, i dont get it.



So you telling me, if your child enter university or something then decides to leave that sect, you will treat your child as a total stranger? I dont want to believe this is what you meant but is it?



To me and how i understand life, any love that is tied to a condition is not true.... you know how some ladies will only love men that are well to do and can take care of them, but if the money stops the love stops as well.


I practice Ifa (which we call Africa tradition) and Ifa teaches us to love all, not just humans even animals and to the waters and the mountain we should love them all.



But in all, if that is what you believe and practice, its ok as well..... i wish you all the happiness, peace and love you wish yourself.

motayoayinde:
I

I TRUE MUSLIM BELIEVES GOD/ALLAH TO BR ABSOLUTELY ONE, WHO IS ALONE IN HIS DOMINION OF THE UNIVERSE AND WHO SHARES HIS KINGDOM WITH NONE.

A MUSLIM SURRENDERS HIS AFFAIRS COMPLETELY TO ALLAH BY FOLLOWING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN THE OTHER PROPHETS SENT BY ALLAH AND THE BOOKS GIVEN TO THEM.

A MUSLIM BELIEVES THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS THE LAST OF GOD'S PROPHETS AND THE QUR'AN, HIS LAST REVELATION.

WHILE A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN THE DIVINE REVELATION OF EARLIER SCRIPTURES, HE BELIEVES THEY'VE BEEN TAMPERED WITH.

TO BE CONTD.

Ok awesome, We do hear and say Islam is a religion if peace but in this nothing like that comes in nothing relating to a person character and how he is to intereact with his neighbour come in... anyway we will come to this.



I also get this misconception of using Islam and Muslim interchangeably, are all Islamic followers muslim ? Or what are the differences?

Attentions please leta stop derailing from the topic, thia is an Islamic space and mutual respect is very important, where we can ask questions and our muslim brothers they reply and cut off any misconceptions.

We are not here to fight, argue and spill hatred....

orisa37:
ISLAMISTS THAT BELIEVE THAT ANOBI ISAH. THE SON OF MARYAM AND THE HOLY SON AS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE WILL SURELY MAKE HEAVEN. THAT'S A LECTURE AND A LESSON NOT A PERSECUTION.

Can you back this up with a proof? And maybe you should rethink the username u using.... i practsie ifa and our orisa expert us to read, understand before passing a judgement.

MaxInDHouse:
People that want to prove the love they have for others will surely go further than ordinarily saying "i love everyone"
The first step is to study the people around you, then find those who have the same mindset as you and discuss on what each of you need to do, then it's time to map out the plan to help others who don't have the same mindset.
Let me show you how i am doing it, what we've done as a group so far and the result throughout the world.
I was a Muslim, i want to love my neighbours all around but the group i belong only preach what is in their book, they don't make any effort to meet with individuals at least to know what each person have in mind.It's just talking with the megaphone and saying what their religion says, that's what every other religion does.
So i was searching for a group that will understands but all the religions are following the same line.
Then a group came to my street shared themselves in twos and started going to meet people in their homes to speak with them one on one. I used the opportunity to pour out my grievances towards all the religions and their so called Holy books. But i was shocked that this group is not the usual religion with the common trend, their way is totally different from all the religions i knew!
So i wanted to know more, that's when i realized that this is the group practicing what i've been dreaming all these years.
They're bringing consoling messages to people about how God will destroy all evidoers and what we need to do to prove ourselves spotless from the world.
They have gathered over 8,000,000 people throughout the world, erased RACISM and POLITICS from their hearts so none of their members will ever support the killings going on in the world due to politics, they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. Due to their messages i can travel to any country on this planet and feel at home in the home of those who share the same line of thought with me even when we've never met before!

I now wonder if this is what all the religions on this planet are doing the same, are we going to need burglaries anymore?

Oh ok now i get the misunderstanding, actually i was not trying to prove to anyone that i love everyone, i "said" i love everyone because Someone asked a question regarding why i am rolling with muslims and if you read that post i made i concluded by saying i have family and friends in the 3 main religion practise in Nigeria, so i was not trying to manipulate anyone to think i am a good person.... and that is how i feeĺ and how i see things.



In as much as i dont want to argue or talk about perfect or imperfect religion, but you sound very much enlightened and civil so lets have a discus.


Here is the part i dont get, so u mean you love humans and wanted to put that love to actions, then you join a good and awesome set of people, which is a good thing to do! I respect you alot for that but you ended up in a circle that makes you give and receive love from people of same circle or belief system as you.....

I cant say i love humanity but only show lobe to my brother, that is confusing to me you entered a group that made you love only or mainly persons from that same group..... i dont understand that part, how is this new group of yours different from the previous group mentioned that talk with megaphone and preaches love but concerned solely about themselves?


To understanding is if i love everyone, that love should truly be for everyone! not just for a set that loves me back.

Ok let me use this to put things into perspectives for us, like you asked how do i prove my love, I studied a course in the university and drom the da i hraduated till date i havent made 1 naira from what u studied in school, when i am free! As a result i had to statt dojng other businesses top earn a living, i offer that skill of mine for free, i dont care if its an ibo or a yoruba man that i am helping..... i dont even care if he does not like my face. I just want to help without expecting anything in return (not even love back) because before religion came to divide us, you are brother and my sisters.




Let me ask a question sir, according to the holy book you read and believe, did that book ask you to love just people with same beliefs as yours or did the book ask you to love your neighbour(anyone and everyone around you) ?


Also according to this faith you practise, if you decied to leave that group,how will the person within the group related with you, what are the laid down rule on how they handle such issues(you can choose not to answer this if u are not cool with it)

motayoayinde:
I MUST CONGRATULATE YOU FOR HAVING THE COURAGE TO LEARN ABOUT ISLAM BY READING FROM THE HOLY BOOK OF ISLAM AND NOT FROM THE ATTITUDES OF SOME MUSLIMS OR ISLAMOPHOBES.

LET ME REPEAT SOME FUNDAMENTALS ABOUT ISLAM WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW ABOUT.

ISLAM BELIEVES GOD EXISTS AS THE SOLE CREATOR AND OWNER OF THE UNIVERSE WITHOUT PARTNER OR CO-EQUAL.

THE NAME FOR THIS ALMIGHTY AND ALL-POWERFUL GOD IN ISLAM IS ALLAH.

HIS PURPOSE FOR CREATION IS TEST AND WORSHIP SO THAT ON THE LAST DAY, JUDGEMENT WILL BE GIVEN AS DESERVED.

FOR THIS PURPOSE, HE HAS SENT MESSENGERS/PROPHETS IN SERIES THAT MANKIND MAY BE REMINDED OF HIS PURPOSE AND NOT STRAY.

THE LAST TWO OF THESE PROPHETS WERE JESUS AND MUHAMMAD (peace br upon them).

FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTION ON ISLAM YOU NEED CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT.

Thanks for this i appreciate alot, ok..... who is a true Muslim? Or attributes of a true muslim

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted may be easy to say but really if you have LOVE for people you don't just say it but ACT on it because action they say speaks louder than words.
Humans lives all around you in fear of humans (not wild breasts) so that we build our houses with burglaries and lock ourselves day and night like caged animals, wild dogs were brought into our homes, we have armed guards (humans) with guns and keep training them with our hard earned money to protect us from us not from wild beasts.
Please with the LOVE you professed for your fellow humans what exactly are you doing presently to help people you love?

First i said that to clear the air, someone asked me why am i rolling with muslim (sent me a direct message) now why donwe think saying i love a thing in validate the love? You mean if u tell your wife u love her, does it means u still cant provie it to her in action? Over here in this our part of te world, i have niticed that saying "i love u " is seen as a weakness, so we say dont say it, show it! Lobjng a person or a thing and saying it is not pride or weakness ....We can say it and still show it actions, 1 does not invalidates the other.


Ok lets digress a little, u said if we do love why build up burglary proof and all that, u see the fact that i love everyone does not mean they will all love me back immediately! Now if someone decides to attack my family, i have ti defend ny family....... yea i love u but i love myself and family enough to keep them out of harms way, also if i am maybe in public space and we get attacked and i have the ability to defend them i wil do it is same way i will defend my family related to me by blood.


Oh what have i done for the people i say u love? I will not go into specifics, but i went to school for 7yrs and what i studied i offer for free to person we cant afford such, so i have to do other businesses to make money while iffering my skill for free.


On a loghter note, what have you don to show people around u don't give a Bleep about them. ....lol

NNTR:
You're expected from a biblical background to have love for all human beings anyway
Also let me quickly say this, scent of a humanist, in the air

Who doesnt have families in practising popular different faiths?

Define what a true and pure religion is, that has no flaws, has no faults and also the sort of religion that God approves of.

Next, then give practical examples of what is true a true and pure religion is, that has no flaws, has no faults and also the sort of religion that God approves of

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

This has a little drop of being civil so i will give it a little attention, and thats to say " i am not here to argue" because its a waste if time 2ndly u are all over the place tryung to get ny my reaction so we argue i will not do that, because you think i am either a Muslim or something what i really do practise us ifa.


Lastly i will not engage u nor give u any more attention, i am here to have conversation with civilised
People not argue.

Also let me quickly say this, regardless of what religion i practise i have love for all humans.... because i have family members in all 3 religion practised in Nigeria.