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NNTR:
Its actually 'you who still dont get it' sic

Dont have 1 valid proof of exactly what?

Just exactly what outside the bible

See how you dont understand the implcation of the 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and - 2 Peter 1:21 two verses that xproducer put forward

The only thing you got right is typing 'I dont know it i am making sense' sic because truly arent making sense. Nno insult intended here with that observation

Let the christians speak for themselves

So as for me, give me a babalawo translated bible and I'll demolish arguments therein it with the presentation of facts, truth and reality.

Do you throw away the baby out with the bathwater?

What if the Sanhedrin in collaboration with the Romans killed Jesus? What of it?

Dont you know that the Sanhedrin when in collaboration with the Romans killed Jesus, that what they meant evil against Him, God allowed it for good in order to bring about this present outcome, that many people would be kept alive?[as they are this day]

Your point be what now?

The Portuguese did

You are unnecessarily hyperbolising and misrepresenting the fact

Surah Yunus, [10:94]:
فَإِن كُنتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْـَٔلِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ ٱلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْمُمْتَرِينَ

The Quran in Surah 10:94, as seen above, evidently is advising Muslims, to receive good information from non-Muslim believers of Allah. Now who do you think 'People of Book' mentioned in that is referring to?

Have you at all any idea of anything called the Spirit of Truth?

So, if you know all these, then why are you fraternising with Islam?

Bible translations aren't necessarily holy nor wholly God inspired

So which book carries the right information and which book doesn't carry the right information then?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Ok i would have loved to reply but when insult steps in with "trying to win arguments" approach it makes the whole conversation counter productive. Thank u

xproducer:
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No offense taken at all... notwithstanding your theoretical offer of proof of "books, scrolls..." - I am simply stating the following:

GOD's word and will are always accomplished /fulfilled! ... No matter how many other books are published, or arguments contrary to the Gospel of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST are made.
Isaiah 55:11
"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it."

GOD mercifully and lovingly teaches His elect / children!
John 6:45
"It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me." (Also Psalm 71:17)

GOD's elect / children, by and through the Almighty HOLY SPIRIT walk with GOD - by His grace alone (not works) -
Romans 1:17
"For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.” (Also Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:38)

Hebrews 11:6
"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."

...we indeed live by faith; that is by the Faithful Holy One - the Lord JESUS - MESSIAH, and His faith given to us to believe in His holy word.
Revelation 19:11
"Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war." (also Hosea 11:12, 1 Corinthians 1:9, Hebrews 3:1-2, Hebrews 10:23

So you see, a true child of GOD in CHRIST lives the humble walk and communion with GOD - so there is nothing outside the word of GOD / the Holy Bible that matters substantively.

"For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." - 1 Corinthians 4:20

You still don't get it, u still dont have 1 valid proof, just 1outside the bible...... you really sincerely dont know if the verses Quoted are actually words from God!


The logic of using verse in the bible to validate the bible wouldnt stand.... its like asking a mentally unstable person (no insult intended here) for the cure to his mental illness, or its like asking satan to show u the proper way to connect and know God, but if u question satan regard stuff he asked u to do how am i sure this is the will of God, he will den give u a book he wrote and say this book i wrote says you can trust me blindly..... giving u a book he wrote as validity for his actions isnt real validity....I dont know it i am making sense.


Now i am very sure if i give you a babalawo translated bible, i bet you will not even touch it with a long stick, same applies for 99% of Christians

Now the problem is how did we finally decide to accept the bible the occultic Roman catholic church gave us( dont het it twisted that bible u own, the one ur G.O and pastors own is all from the roman catholic church) and you defending it as well


Now the roman killed Jesus and most of the apostles and disciples, they fought Christianity for 150years seizing and destroying all originally text and scrolls of Jesus's teaching and the letters the apostles wrote to each other and various Christians bodies all over the world, then after all these years and evil did they decided oh see we cant stop this movement lets control it! The vatican has a library as big as a city that even the pope need clarence to get in, they claim it contains original text and scrolls of Jesus teaching, if that were true why are they hiding those text and scrools from the public?


Now who started the trans Atlantic soave trade? The Roman catholic church, as a natter of fact some parishes built around badagri in lagos and in benin republic have under ground bunker or cell thiere slaves are held till next shipment, as amatter of fact one of the biggest ships used in the tran atlantic slave trade movement was named " Jesus " (dont take my words for it, do yiur finding... my people die for lack of knowledge right)



These are the same set of person who re wrote the bible and gave it to us and how on earth did we just take it and never for once fact check, it if the romans truly did give us the word or trash?


Go read about the council of nicea, dont get me wrong i am not saying God does not exhit or christianity is evil, all i a saying the bible they gave us why do u believe it blindly? Some of us believe the bible sò blindly that even if Jesus tells us on the last day that the bible we holding isnt from him, we will argue with him, we will ask him whicj kind fake Jesus be this?


Also maybe you should try download first edition of KJV(and i hope you know King James isnt a Christian) when i read the first edition i was shocked, first Jesus isn't even his name (yeshua is his name and when translated it Joshua not Jesus) the bible talked about reincarnation, and alot more not found int the bible today.


And even at that the furst editon of the kjv isnt still close to the real text, i visited Ethiopia and was able to get the Ethiopia bible and its just crazy how much we dont even know for instance the book of proverbs was not written by Solomon. Queen sheba in the bible was from Africa etc

Sincerely i think, if we truly do blive in life after death and in God, we will not base all our knowledge on just 1 book and even if we decide to base it on just 1 book, we should be very sure the book carries the right information because if we read and practice stuffs from the wrong book, there is no going back on that.

MaxInDHouse:
I have been a Muslim from birth though not really the religious type because there are many questions that keeps popping up in my mind and i couldn't find anyone in Islam to answer so i just continue back then because it's better than atheism at least.
Today i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses cause all those questions were answered satisfactorily by the Witnesses so i decided to become one of them and ever since then i've been serious about sacred matters.
It may seem like all religions have their flaws but i can prove it anytime anywhere and before anyone that to be religious is a million times better than being an atheist!

Ok thats nice, let me engage you on that why do you think religion ia better thwn athesim?

xproducer:
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Evidently, I do!

GOD The HOLY SPIRIT inspires / gives the word of GOD!

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

"for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21

Illustratively professed by the prophets to the glory of GOD, and evidenced in the accuracy of the word delivered to them.

Exodus 34:27
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”
David’s Last Words
Now these are the last words of David.
Thus says David the son of Jesse;
Thus says the man raised up on high,
The anointed of the God of Jacob,
And the sweet psalmist of Israel:
“The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me,
And His word was on my tongue.
The God of Israel said,
The Rock of Israel spoke to me:
‘He who rules over men must be just,
Ruling in the fear of God.

Isaiah 30:8
A Rebellious People
Now go, write it before them on a tablet, And note it on a scroll, That it may be for time to come, Forever and ever:

Jeremiah 30:2
“Thus speaks the Lord God of Israel, saying: ‘Write in a book for yourself all the words that I have spoken to you.

Habakkuk 2:2
The Just Live by Faith
Then the Lord answered me and said: “Write the vision And make it plain on tablets, That he may run who reads it.

Ok cool thats a beautiful wrote up, but i think maybe you someone got my question wrong
( i dont want to argue or fight just want an intelligent conversation)


Sincere i know u believe the bible is the word of God but (not trying to be disrespectful) i don't think you truly know the origin of that version of bible you have on your hands right, you havent took tye time to really research that information.


And that is kind of disturbing for me, because if we love a person, or a thing or even a professional, we take our times read, research and get all valid knowledge necessary. But we dont do that when it involves the religion we practice, and the after life.


Can give proof "outside" the bible to back up yiur claim to back up yihr claim of the bible being God's word? ( mind u i am not attacking u nor the bible)

Now what about if i show you over proof (alot of) that
Shows u, books, scrolls and written way before was even born and most part of thise scrolls were lifted and put in ur bible, and some of those scrolls and books even came from Africa.

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xproducer:
There is forgiveness of sins - without without which there is no reconciliation to and relationship with GOD - only through the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - the Son of the Living GOD!

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

I am have read the bible too that was some time ago


Do you believe the bible as the word of God? If yes!

Do you know the origin of the bible?

josh123:
Better to be an atheist than being a Muslim

Why do you think so sir/ma?

Hi W. sallam (hope i spelt that well), I have been an Atheist almost all my life but recently started reading the Quran (and some hadith) and i sincerely love it but there are alot of i cant wrap my head around.

Are they muslims here that can maybe help me and others like me ask questions we are ot clear about, have peaceful conversations (no fight, insult or any form of negativity) lets just share ideas and understand of the Quran (history and science) with each other and help our faith grow.


Who is a true muslim? What are the attributes of a true Muslim.

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