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Explore2xmore:
Wonderful! You quote a part of Jami' at-Tirmidhi 3017 which is what the Quran or hadith and tell me I don't know the Quran?


Can you quote the arabic verse and translate the meaning directly?

What you failed to quote in full is:

Ahmad bin Mani’ told us, Hushaym told us, Othman Al-Batti told us, on the authority of Abu Al-Khalil, on the authority of Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri, he said, “We took captives.” And there were women who were wives among their people. They mentioned that to the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, and it was revealed: (And chaste women, except those Your right hands have dominion.) Abu Issa said this is a good hadith. And thus Al-Thawri narrated on the authority of Uthman Al-Batti, on the authority of Abu Al-Khalil, on the authority of Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri on the authority of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, there is something similar in this hadith on the authority of Abu Alqamah, and I do not know that anyone mentioned Abu Alqamah in this hadith, except for what Hammam mentioned on the authority of Qatada and Abu Al-Khalil, whose name is Salih bin Abi Maryam

What is difficult to understand from the Quran text that you need to go to the hadith to understand? And it does not contain Mutah so I still don't get your point. Show me in all you wrote where the Mutah is?

Where are the husbands of these women? It doesn't say in what you relate.


Can you tell me what Muhammad says about hadith since you use them so much in your argument?

Point of correction, you feel I am embarrassed and I am not. How do you reason for me or know my thoughts?

You claim to know what I think, and are fa mistaken. You're mistaken because you can never know what another person is thinking unless they tell you. The best you can do is to assume various things and yet you be very far off. The best way to know is to directly ask to get me to tell you.

People often don’t really know what they think about something until they have reflected on it.

You arbitrarily say paedophilia has been frowned at for 1000s of years can specify exactly where at least I mentioned the united states congress and put a date to it?

Oya clap for your self cos you can differentiate between the Quran and the Hadith…. Oya clap for yourself.

Isn’t the use of the Hadith to explain Quran verse? So hilarious you asking me what I went to the Hadith, ok no vex I will not go to your very own Hadith again….. cos it seem the Hadith really pissed you off…... can’t you see you are tap Dancing?

Even Al bukhari says the men were reluctant to have the woman because their husband were there……



So you really don’t know what Mutar is….. Eyah go ask your sheik , y’all really don’t ready your holy books …… any Muslims that dare read the Quran and the Hadith ( not just cram the Arabic without knowing the meaning ) is on his way out of Islam.



Imagine equating child pornography act to law against pedophilia


You really don’t know nothing I thought it was only the Quran you happen not to read but it seems you don’t even know the history of the world , before the US there have been 100’s of very very advanced civilizations all over the world with law against pedophilia, an example is in ancient Africa communities it was a crime punishable by death, your ignorance is not an excuse …… this is the same ignorance your Islam teacher depend on to keep y’all in the bondage of Islam.


You don’t know what Mutar is, you don’t know what your prophet said about the benefit of his followers drinking his urine , you don’t know what your Quran says, you are rejecting the Hadith and your well accessory’s Islamic scholars …… you know nothing about the religion you are defending ….. and yet you are here shamelessly making a case for pedophilia, better go learn about your religion sir.


Lastly the aim of this post I made is to get people like you to a place where you will study ( not to memorizing the verse) your holy books on your own and asking questions….. because I am 100% when you start reading your Quran you will see the lies in Islam and take a turn. Peace and good luck

Explore2xmore:
Is it Quran 2:24 or 4:24? I guess that's a typo.

Anyway your acclaimed expertise in Arabic language doesn't show you that women having husbands have also been made unlawful. So far as a woman is married to a person, no other person can marry her.

Look at a list of translations of the meaning here.

Muhammad Asad

And [forbidden to you are] all married women other than those whom you rightfully possess [through wedlock]: this is God's ordinance, binding upon you. But lawful to you are all [women] beyond these, for you to seek out, offering them of your possessions, taking them in honest wedlock, and not in fornication. And unto those with whom you desire to enjoy marriage, you shall give the dowers due to them; but you will incur no sin if, after [having agreed upon] this lawful due, you freely agree with one another upon anything [else]: behold, God is indeed all-knowing, wise

The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab

Also ˹forbidden are˺ married women—except ˹female˺ captives in your possession. This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.


Safi Kaskas

[You are forbidden to marry] women who are already married, except from those whom your right hands held in trust . God has ordained all of this for you. Other women are lawful to you as long as you seek to marry them and not for unlawful intimacy. If you wish to enjoy women through marriage, you will give them their bridal-gift. If you should mutually choose, after fulfilling this obligation, to do something else with the bridal-gift, you will not be blamed. God is All-Knowing and All-Wise.

Could you point at the arabic text Mutah(المتعة)
in the Quran 4:24 or any other quran verse.

Do read Quran 4:22 - 26.

Educate me please in what year was the standard for paedophilia set? I know the united states congress passed the Child Pornography Prevention Act in 1996. Can you tell me of other earlier jurisdiction?

Why do you like to dare? Are we playing truth or dare to part with money or take in drink till you get drunken? You are the wise one and are presenting an argument which really is of no consequence. Did you exhaust all information about your proposal before presenting it? Watch your head shaking so it doesn't give you pain.

I never asked you to show me that my prophet was an Idol worshipper. It appears you assume this. In any case repeatedly the Quran has statements forbidding worshipping anything other than Allah the unseen almighty God. Principles of belief which is foremost to being a muslim (believer in one almighty God).

Why do you make comparisons with what happens in Nigeria today. What exactly is the link; did these events follow a directive from the prophet? Can you show how and when?

You only follow conjecture about Sunni or Shia or any other muslim sect you know. I have shown you the Quran verse which says muslims should not be divided amongst themselves. If acclaimed muslims decide to do this that issue is between them and Allah. I am simply muslim no buts.

I cannot explain Mutar or whatever you call it and implore you to show me where it is written in the Quran perharps it would be understood.

Quran 4:24

Jami' at-Tirmidhi 3017
3 Narrated Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri:
"We captured some women on the Day of Awtas and they had husbands among their people. That was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (SAW) so Allah revealed: ..And women already married, “except” those whom your right hands possess...
(4: 24 )'


I guess you don’t know your Quran or maybe English is the problem, your Quran said married women are forbidden “except” those your right hand possesses (war) …. Which mean free married woman are forbidden but married woman caught as a result of war isn’t forbidden …. Or did you not see the work “except” …..


Those newer explanation you just gave me of the verse are person like you that are embarrassed by their prophet thus trying to add words to the English translation to make it more acceptable…. I am showing you stuff from your Hadith explanation by known scholars ….. and you are quoting people that did their narration few years ago. …. And yes! I know Arabic is that a crime?


Yet another tap dancing ….. pedophilia has been frowned at from the beginning of times that is the reason you don’t see records of such the Bible that was written over 1000 years before your prophet was even born …. Neither was in practice in ancient African societies, it was never a thing accepted……. Or maybe you have historically evidence to backup pedo. and prove to us that it was a thing and your prophet whom Allah speaks to directly shamelessly participated ( I guess Allah didn’t tell him it was evil ) hahahahahaahhaah you can’t defend the indefensible.


Look at this one trying to be petty….. such a shame …..without lies Islam dies that is the reason I keep daring you to prove your lies or dare you to face the truth……

And yes! The genocide happening in southern kaduna ( predominantly Christian) today is in line with what your Quran demand of y’all … that is the reason there is an Islamic sect called boko haram today that re branded to herd men and bandit. This is jihad going on in souther kaduna, that is the reason some communities pay taxes to the bandit and are spared ( in like with the teaching of your prophet)….. don’t deny your brothers now, I know it is permissible to lie in Islam but you can’t get away with it here.


Oh you don’t know what Mutar is? Ok no problem….. you know nothing about the religion you practice anyway so I am not surprised, many of you are born into it and can’t leave or risk death….. so I feel your pain, I pray God gives you the grace and courage to make the change you seek.

Also you didn’t say anything about benefit of drinking your prophet urine, I assume you don’t know what that is as well.

Now I leave you with this, as an educated person any religion you choose to practice (not just Islam) take your time and read the religious text, know it for your self, don’t assume nothing and don’t want to be spoon fed by your imam, that is how lies are transferred from generation to generation. Peace

Explore2xmore:
Quran 4:24
Also ˹forbidden are˺ married women—except ˹female˺ captives in your possession.1 This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.



You have quoted a narration in Sahih Bukhari. Show me a narration that says he was wrong to have contracted this marriage at that time. Not the present or later day evaluation of this union.

Is this difficult for you to understand as my question or you simplify don't comprehend.
There's no need going into analysis of why the ages mentioned may be wrong.



Where is the command that makes it compulsory to kiss the black stone? Did Umar command other people to kiss the stone or recording him saying this makes it a command to do so?
Is this what your wise reasoning tells you?


Then in finality give a precise definition of Jihad.


You say I am Sunni? How do you know? Indeed you show your error as you don't know me to conclude thus?
Quran 3:103
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you – when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.

Is Sunni a division or not of Muslims?

These are the lies they added for non Arabic readers I dare you to copy the Arabic translation and get a translator or translate it online. …. In fact I will help you.



Quran 2:24 … ۞ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَـٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـٰنُكُمْ ۖ كِتَـٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ ۚ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُم مَّا وَرَآءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُوا۟ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُم مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَـٰفِحِينَ ۚ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِهِۦ مِنْهُنَّ فَـَٔاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةًۭ ۚ وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُم بِهِۦ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًۭا ٢٤.


“And chaste women, except those whom your right hands possess. God has ordained for you, and He has made lawful for you anything beyond that, if you seek And keep your wealth, guarded and not transgressing. And whatever of them you enjoy, give them their due wages, and there is no blame on you for what you see. You have followed it after the obligatory prayer. Indeed, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. 2”


The verse didn’t say anything about marriage ……. let’s say for the sake of argument, why marry a women who is “still” married and her husband is alive!!!! You see your argument is weak and has no legs to stand on?



Your second point was about the pedophilia claim you asked me to prove …… and I show you where your prophet married a 6 years old …. Isn’t that pedophilia ? Like alway you decided to change the deviate saying it was a thing popular during the time of your prophet ( you mean your prophet copied the culture of the unbelievers and pagan worshipper ….. and this is your role model? ) ….. you are confusing early marriage to pre puberty marriage? Early marriage was a thing ( among the Arabs ) but they don’t marry ladies that haven’t seen their period yet! Will you allow your 6 year old daughter get marriage to a 53 year old man? I leave that for your conscience to answer.

I dare you to explain why you think the Age of Ayesha as stated in your holy books is wrong when all your Muslim scholar agree she was 6 year old …… you are too embarrassed that you want to contradict the writing of people that were there physically with your prophet and witness it all…. Smh





As for the black stone kissing, yet against you doing your tap dancing, trying to change the topic of discussion ….. i said your prophet is an idol worshipper you asked me to prove it and i did show you in your Quran.
Also muhammed doing it is all the command y’all need, cos y’all place him above God and follow all what he does hook line and sinker , he did the kissing and ask y’all to do same stating that it will take your sins away and speak for y’all on the day of judgment…… that is the reason Muslims world wide rush to Mecca till today….. you are too embarrassed to call it idolatry thus saying it’s not a commandment in Islam just to save face.


And yet again your tap dancing…. You ask me what I understand by 7th century act of war, I told you and made you understand that Muslims worldwide do not follow what the act state, I gave you examples, verifiable examples in history, some that happened back home in our country Nigeria …….. yet against you decide to tap dance and asking me what I understood by jihad ….. hahahahaah I already explained what jihad is in those examples I gave , I guess it’s bitter a pill to swallow. Whatever your white wash definition of Jihad is does not change the fact that violence is a core part of Islam … your Quran and history is enough evidence. Even till today the violence is still being practiced all over the world.



I knew you will deny being a Sunni so you can reject the Hadith, but you can’t you are stuck with it….. 90% of Muslims in Nigeria are Sunni , you can’t deny that.

Whatever you Quran say does not change the fact that Islam is divided into Sunni, shiite and Khawarij ….. as a matter of fact there are 73 sect but these 3 are the main ones. That is a fact you can’t change even if you close your eyes to it same way you can’t save time by take the battery of the clock.

Lastly I saw how you couldn’t explain Mutar, you stylishly avoided from my previous comment….. but I will not press you on that, I know you are embarrassed.

Now I have a question for you….

According to your prophet was are the benefit of drinking his urine?

Explore2xmore:
Cheers. You are very correct. The man claimed god should judge.

1. Prove an accusation of alleged paedophilia from the time when this marriage was contracted.

2. Prove that slavery started and was encouraged by prophet Muhammad .

3. What do you know about the acts of war in arabia in the 7th century

4. What is the history of mutah? What really were the views of the Prophet and Islam about this?

5. Whatever fascinates you about a black stone that doesn't form the core of Islam should keep fascinating you.

Amuse and enjoy your conclusions about these and keep enjoying yourself. And may it add more to your wisdom.

It’s either you don’t know the Quran or you think we don’t know the Quran if not you should be ashamed to even ask these question, but since you want me to further disgrace your prophet…. Who am I to say no. Lol


First This is the most senseless excuse ever, so because Muhammad didn’t start slavery thus he is absolved from all blame? He attacking peaceful communities simply because they refuse to accept Islam, I thought y’all said your prophet was for all generation? So you mean to tell us your so called prophet was selling slaves just in the same way the unbelievable did? Now what is the difference between him and the unbelievers he hated so much? Allah didn’t tell him that slavery was evil?

Muhammad even wen as far as encouraging his followers to rape slaves woman ( Quran 4:24) even when their husband are alive…….






Yes he is a pedo. And here is my proof in your Hadith ( you are Sunni thus you can’t deny or call this Hadith weak, this is Al-bukhari)

“ Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death)…….

What do we call a man that mounted a 9 years old? Isn’t that pedophilia, a child that haven’t seen her period yet… and this is the man you follow? You should be hide your face in shame.


Also the 7th century act of war was about using non violence in doing jihad …. You and I knows that Muslim world wide will not take the acts over what the Quran and Hadith commanded them to do…….. I have 2 incident to prove that to you, it was in that same 7th century that the Rashidun Caliphate under the leadership of ʿUmar ibn al-Khattāb conquered the price of land called Palestine today and it was bloody, it was the text book definition of violence ( did Muslim rebuke him for using violence? Nope!) …….. 2nd example was the trans Sahara slave trade that starts in later part of that same 7th century when Abdallah Ben Said, the King of Islamised Egypt, conquered via “Jihad “ the Sudan – “the land of infidels” – That too was a blood bath, I hope you know the Tran Sahara slave trade is still goin on till today? It is over 200 year older than the trans Atlantic slave trade ………. Let me not even go into usman Dan fodio how he use war to spread Islam in Nigeria, or do we talk about how boko haram and herds men are commuting genocide in southern kaduna ?



As for the black stone…..
Kissing and smooching and venerating it is idol worship, we all know the pagan origin of the black stone it is in your Quran, the pagan were doing the exact Same kissing and smooching your prophet emulated, it was even a cause of concern for muhammed followers that even Umar ibn al-Khattāb reported that he came to the Black Stone and kissed it and said: "Verily, I know that you are a stone that can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you." 
- [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

The same black stone your prophet said got blacks cos of your sins, will get eyes and mouth on the last day to intercede on y’all behalf… and will take away your sins ( just like Allah) …….. isn’t that an idol god y’all worship? And y’all make fun of Christians for believing in the trinity.






As for mutah this is a very interesting one, Mutah, (Arabic: “pleasure”) in Islamic law, a temporary marriage that is contracted for a limited time (could be hours, days or months) and involves the payment of money to the female partner in exchange for intercourse ….. isn’t this prostitution? Your Prophet was using female Muslims believers are prostitute ……. I know you will likely come lie that it was always happing during the time of your prophet and he didn’t start it, I hope you know there is no history evident from non Muslim sources to back that up? None!

Even if for the sake of argument it was a thing during the time to your prophet, so why didn’t your prophect abolished it among his followers same way he abolished alot of thing the unbelievers were doing? Because he loved it and was enjoying this encouraged his followers to degrad woman in such manner …. What a shame .

Timoleon:
The Koran records the prophet Musa as being a prophet of Allah. Even at the burning bush where he met God, he `head slammed'. Perhaps your `evidence' points to the fact that the palestines own the land. Afteral, even you acknowledge that the land was promised to their prophet musa and his people.

I am so glad you brought this up, first of all you lack understanding of history…. Moses was “Jewish” and he prayed as one, because Jews have been praying by noding their head on the ground over 1000 years before Islam ( Islamic mode of prayers were formed)

The truth is Islam copied that mode of prayers from the Jews…. Not the other way round.



Like I said earlier you lack understanding of history and how Islam got to Palestine and displaces the true inhabitants…… and Islam did it in the 7th century and did it violently …. Go know your history before you make Islam looks bad.

CoronaVirusPro:



Fvck Israel!

Why do you say so? What have isreal done that Islam haven’t done over 100 times in Nigeria alone

( for educational purposes only mod abeg no ban me )




Aside the historical fact, that proves beyond reasonable doubt that the pieces of land called Palestine today belongs to the Jews, the Quran and Hadith which is the holy books of the Muslims also support and further prove the true owners .



Quran 5: 20 - 21


20. When Moses said to his people, “O my people, remember God's blessings upon you, when He placed prophets among you, and made you kings, and gave you what He never gave any other people.” 21. “O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned for you, and do not turn back, lest you return as losers.”






Why can’t Muslims respect their holy books and return back the land they stole…


Why are Muslims crying over the violence happening currently in Palestine, when history tells us that they invaded and settled on that land through the very same violence.

Is violence bad when you are the victims?


Violence begat violence…. Let peace reign


( for educational purposes only mod abeg no ban me

taiwiki:
Show me proof of all what you posted in quran and hadiths.

This is from Al bukhari ( you can’t deny this Hadith you are Sunni )

Sahih al-Bukhari, 5134; Book 67, Hadith 70.


Quran 33:37


Quran 4:24

Quran 33:51

Quran 55:72

Quran 8:60

Quran 48:20

Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 52, No: 143).

You should be ashamed of yourself for denying events in your holy books …. You are too embarrassed to admit you know it’s true …. Or maybe you don’t, maybe you are ignorantly following a religion that was forced on your ancestors that you inherited

Thundafireseun:
I hear you…

At what Age did you think Mary mother of Jesus gave birth to Jesus??

She was 12 years old…. Isn't that prepubescent??

You see how dumb you are…. We are talking about a pedophile and you are trying to compare that with a virgin birth…. A woman who got pregnant without sexual intercourse , and even your Quran agrees to this in ( Quran 3:47 ) and even have an entire Surah dedicated to her…… you need to try harder

Dtruthspeaker:
It is impossible for God to have a paedophile for a prophet.

Secondly, Mary was not 12 or 13 years. She was around 20. Nature has shown that pregnancy and marriage is not in the mind of any girl till she is around 20. And God always follows Nature.

So you are talking rubbish.

I see how you automatically assume I am a Christian…. Ok back up ur claim with proof in the Bible …… while at it don’t forget what your Wuran says about Mary as the best woman every created… now go show me proof of her age In the Bible sir

MaxInDHouse:
There is just one reason but since most people don't want the truth to affect their beliefs they will try to run away which can't help them.

God chose only one nation (Israel) and He never chose anyone from another nation as a prophet. Exodus 19:5
So if anyone wants to worship that same God you have to rely 100% on what His prophets chosen from that nation were inspired to pen down.
NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 23:18-19

Without lies Islam dies ……

taiwiki:
By all means please do.

Pick the questions you want me to show you in your Quran …. And I will answer them one after the other…. Do you speak Arabic fluently?

Thundafireseun:
Funny thing is that when you read your Bible especially the Old Testament… your God did a lot of horrible things too…

As a marra of fact all the killings in the Bible except for that of JOB was committed by God.

And you forget to know that nobody in the Old Testament was a “Christian” …. Read that again!


Also the laws were too hard to the people and that is the reason God sent his son Jesus to re arrange laws and bring a new era of love, peace, grace and forgiveness. But that does not concern you

One thing Muslims do alot that I find funny is they always play the “what about game” ….. when asked a question they will avoid the question ( cos they are embarrassed by what Muhammad did) by asking “ what about” your Bible, same or similar violence happened in the “ old “ testament…. It is Called for a reason!

But let’s go with what you think the Bible says, but nowhere in the Bible did God of the Bible command is people of attack, rape, steal from peaceful people? No where did they forced thier religion on people, no where did was pedophilia institutionalized….. but same can’t be said of the Quran.


The legacy of Muhammad is so evil that his command lead to the destruction of most part of the world today!

Bubu4Sea:
Nice that you said your God , it shows that the God of the bible is not the god of the quoran allah .


Mohammed was not of God!
How can a prophet hate the children of the prophets?

Mohammed came from allah NOT God

Yes! the God of the Quran is not the God of the Bible,

The God of the Quran is a demon that asked his followers to lick the black stone , the God of the Bible hates and condemns idolatry


The god of the Quran has only servants ….. the God of the Bible has a son! By the name yeshua ( Jesus Christ)

The God of the Quran has 2 right hands, and promises Muslims 72 virgin and endless penis when they die….. that is totally not in like with the God of the Bible …… I have over 100 differences!



Muhammad is a very very disturbed man…. Very inconsistent one some verse of the Quran he spoken highly of the people of the book( Christian’s and Jews) saying the books is a standard and Gods word and in another verse he ask his followers to kill the people of the books because they are “unbelievers “ (non Muslims m)

Dtruthspeaker:
You don't even need to think. Everyone knows that it is impossible for God to have a paedophile for a prophet.

Absolutely!!!!

taiwiki:
don't worry. On the day of judgement you will be asked about all these lies you wrote up there... just prepare to defend yourself well.

Do you dare me to show you the verses in the Quran and the Hadith? Do you want me to go there?

You better learn Arabic and read your Quran and Hadith before you come online to embarrass yourself.

yrhuhfy113:
too late, just move on

Yea it’s too late for the rapist and he is in hell with his parents……

4KNGOATS:
One useless deranged bastardzzz spotted

Your username says it all….. lol

AbuUbaiduLLah:
Watch this to free yourself from the delusion you immersed yourself into,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQ_MDWorEU?si=lZ5HZhSjfTCwsF3G

What about that? Didn’t Hama kills civilian? Don’t jihadist kill innocent civilians ?

Islam and Muslims have shared blood of the innocent why are you crying now that you are the victim? Where were you when boko haram were ravaging kaduna south?

Mind you I am not taking sides both isreal and Hamas are very wrong I am not taking sides ….. but you as a Muslim and jihadist have no right to cry or point fingers when everywhere Islam goes blood of the innocent flows.

AbuUbaiduLLah:
But you as a human, is that anyway correct to kill innocent infants?

* Can you reference me to the Quran or hadith where the trans Sahara slave trade was as a result of the Islamic teaching?
* Are you an atheist?

It is evil to kill or even harm an human being let alone an infant ….. the Israeli soldiers are evil and should be punished for doing that but also the Hamas should be called out too for they did same ….. but I guess they are your brothers and you must support them.



Also Islamic jihadist all over the world and Africa have done a lot of evil and killing too can you say they haven’t killed infant ? The genocide going on in kaduna south infant are among the victims why didn’t you speak up against your brother killing infant? So you only speak up when you’re Muslim are the targeted victims?







First of all anyone with any knowledge of the trans Sahara slave trade knows it was done by the Islamic Arabs in line with the life style, teaching and commands in this holy books ( Quran and Hadith)

The most common term in the Qur'an to refer to slaves is the expression ma malakat aymanuhum or milk al-yamin in short, meaning “those whom your right hands possess”. This term is found in 15 Quranic passages,

Few examples of the slave ownership culture that leader to the Tran Sahara Slav trade can be found fin Quran 4:24 and Quran 33:50 …. where your prophet told his followers it is ok to rape slaves gotten from.

Stealing, attacking communities of unbelievers and capturing slaves was an integral part of Islam and it is evident in history your holy books and that is a culture in Islam that led to and sustained the Tran Sahara slave trade.

Usman Dan fodio is an example close to home, when he attacked the northern part of Nigerian ….. one of the largest slave societ- ies in recent history; that the majority of slaves within the Caliphate were women, who were sexually subjugated through concubinage and plantation slavery that slavery formed the backbone of the economy and society of the Caliphate; that Islam was a major influence ...




Nope i am not an atheist

Why Muhammad was not a prophet?

- It is impossible that a man in his mid-54’s could engage in sexual intercourse with a nine-year-old child (Aysha), and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could finance his religious and political community by robbing the trade caravans that passed through his area on their annual trips between Arabia and Syria, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could encourage his adopt son (Zeid) to divorce his wife (Zeinab) so that he, the father, could marry her, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could lie to his wife (Hafsa) to get her out of the house so that he could sleep with the slave girl (Mariyah) he had given her as a gift, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could call other men to follow him, and then watch them die one after the other in the battles he instigated to build his empire while giving them promises of the sexual Paradise with 72 virgins that awaited them, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could behead three Jewish tribes men who had lived in his city for centuries for the simple reason they refused to accept him as their leader, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could trade the Jewish wives and daughters of the men he had just beheaded for weapons and horses, and be a prophet of God.

- It is impossible that a man could be so fearful of criticism that he would send a man at night to kill the mother of a nursing child because of the poems she had written against him, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could sentence a woman to death by having her limbs attached to camels that moved in opposite direction pulling her apart, then behead her and parade her severed head through Medina, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could torture a young Jewish tribal leader to death to obtain his money, and then "marry" his 17-year old widow (Safiya) the same night, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could allow his followers to have sex with their female slaves as well as their prisoners of war, whether or not they were married, and be a prophet of G-d.

Peace




I know they will come with violence…… it is Al they know! But I dare anyone to call me a liar and ask me for proof in the Quran and Hadith ….. I dare you!!!!!

AbuUbaiduLLah:
Funny digression, did'nt know what to say regarding my simple question

Which question? I am not a Christian nor a Muslim but I will help the Christians reply you and I hope you will reply my above question too regarding Israel and Palestine .


If I get you right you asked why did the God of the Christian punish tho that held and traded Africans for 300 years into slavery?
Is that your question?

AbuUbaiduLLah:
Was your god right when he gave that command?
Because the true GOD of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed would not hold a generation accountable for what their ancestor did 300 years before talkless of innocent infants.

Lol funny you cite the 300 years Tran Atlantic slave trade and not the Tran Sahara slave trade that started 500 year before that and still on till date…. Lol

quote author=AbuUbaiduLLah post=127369669]
Funny digression, did'nt know what to say regarding my simple question[/quote]Which question? I am not a Christian nor a Muslim but I will help the Christians reply you and I hope you will reply my above question too regarding Israel and Palestine .








I have no dog in this fight. I am not a Christian nor a Muslim neither am I from the eastern or western part of Nigeria nor in pdp, apc or LP …. so I am so going to say the bitter truth that must be told.

What I find so funny is how Muslims are crying and wailing now that they are the victims of v1olence, the very same violence y’all have done all over African, Asia and the Middle East the very same violence used to steal that price of land in the first place ……

in as much as it is wicked and evil for the Israeli military to harm children and we should call them out on that, we should always call out the hamas for doing same, both party have killed the innocent but my Muslim brother will always believe what anything the Palestine media puts out ( be it true or false ) and will never believe anything the Israeli media put out ( be it true or false)….. this says a lot, they don’t really care about the truth.


I wonder why our Muslim brother don’t drag thier brothers like the boko haram and hearse men was ravaging through the north especially the genocide going on in kaduna south till date,thier silence in such situations is so loud. Let us not even talk about the trans Sahara slave trade that start 500 year before the trans Atlantic slave trade and is still going on till date!!! But they will never speak about it, when asked they will rather play the “ what about you” game!


Also we all know how Islam got to that piece of land called Palestine, the violence is very well recorded in history, it was in the 7th century, when the Rashidun Caliphate under the leadership of ʿUmar ibn al-Khattāb they came without provocation attacked and conquered that place called Palestine for themselves, and that is the very place they claim to be “ thier land” when asked they will either play the “what about you” game or they will say it was happening everywhere at the time (which is a lie by the way they we know our history and we know your history too)

we all know how the people living there were k1lled, grapes and other sold , it is very. Much well recorded.

Question number 1 : why are y’all crying that a piece of land you stole violently is also being stolen from you in the very same way you got it? Lol



Question number 2: if y’all truly believe in the Quran why not follow the words of Allah in your holy book Quran 5:20-21 ( where Allah gave Palestine to Jews )


( I guarantee you they will either avoid this post or reply with insult and violence)

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MaxInDHouse:
Regarding a religion that seems peaceful from a distance you need to try taking such a faith to other lands where the culture differs from it's source.
When people speak the same language and have the same culture it's not difficult for their gathering to last but allow them take their doctrines to other lands then come back and tell me the result!

By culture what do you mean? Because christianity or even Jw didnt originate from our "culture".... needless to say English isnt even our own language. How do you reconcile that with your point of view?

MaxInDHouse:
Well this will require a lengthy response but i will try to be brief.
First of all the world became a place filled with violence, crime and injustice but that's not how the true God wants life to be.
Since God doesn't want to make us live on instinct like the animals the only way forward is to create awareness which will help honest hearted ones to know how God want life to be on this planet. There must be orderliness which will be supervised by a faithful and discreet group of limited number who will oversee the campaign globally. Whoever wants to benefit from this arrangement must prove to be humble otherwise he/she will not be able to cope with the shortcomings of people from different races, cultures and class. That's why God's word says only individuals who are seeking righteousness with meekness will be spared in the day of God's anger! Zephaniah 2:2-3
Throughout the world today the only organized people meeting up with this task are the JWs! So it's not that they are better of than all other people but the quality (Humility) is promoted in their midst so that no arrogant fellow can continue worshiping with them, to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses you must totally humble yourself at least in their midst.
That's why Jesus illustrated what we should expect in the gathering of his earthly subjects, they will all prove to be like little children, no segregation of class, race, riches or educational background, all of them will treat one another equally the same way little children do! Matthew 18:4
There are many whose former lifestyle is nothing to write home about but as long as they are prepared to humble themselves and learn they are welcome in our midst! Luke 23:39-43
When critics see such ones with us they complain thinking they shouldn't be in our midst due to their lifestyles but what critics don't know is that these ones are willing to learn humbly! Luke 7:36-48
Each individual is working on his shortcomings and we have JWs taking note of their progress {1Timothy 4:14-15} as each must prove to be his brother's keeper, there's no room for isolation in our midst. The JWs must know the type of job you do and they have the right to advise you over your lifestyle this are the things billions don't want, they just want to be accepted anyway!


Please don't get me wrong!
Any individual who wants JWs to treat him as a real member of the JW family must be open regarding his lifestyle and ready to take wise counsels, whoever choose to isolate himself or herself will not be treated as one of us but just as a neighbour living with us, nobody will treat him/her like a close confidant since he doesn't want to be treated as such!
But even if you come from China, Australia, Argentina, Mali or Kenya as long as you're open to JWs you will be treated as a member of our global family. So i can only do what is within my capability for my family member who is not a JW but as for a JW i must go extra mile to see that his needs are met because he has chosen to have brothers and sisters throughout the world, therefore if i'm not in the position to solve his problem i must introduce hm to other brothers in the faith so he could be well taken care of by the global family of faith!

On your first paragraph i totally understand your point but i think maybe you got my question wrong, because you didnt touch on it..... will like youbto shed mire light on that.


This is totally unrelated, what do you think about other peaceful religion like hindu, buddhism and Taoism.



Ok i understand your point regarding family and jw family.... i totally understand.

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses visit people in their homes so that we can iron out what different Gods are saying to their adherents and the benefits of the utterances of each God in the gathering of worshipers and neighbours who don't believe in that God.
Where most people get confused is thinking that the messenger (worshipers) of a God is their enemy for delivering the message of his/her God.
That's why Jehovah's Witnesses speaks through actions than our words, you will get to know how our God feels about what people are doing by considering our reaction. For instance, when praying most people will quickly say "Amen" in reply to whoever is praying but JWs will never respond to any prayer unless it's from a JW. By so doing we are telling them that our God will not listen to any prayer from people who aren't interested in His worship. But then some may become offended thinking we are proving holier or we don't wish them well.
So instead of waiting until they learn through our actions we visit them ahead to tell them what we believe in other to pacify them before they make the moves so that they won't be offended when we say "NO"

Ok well understood...... i have a question not totally related to this thou, but related to the first few back and forth we had.


Why do you feel or think anyone or thing outside jw is not capable of being good or doing good?



Nb: i saw the writeup you did regarding treating family members that are none jw, i love the new stand you took, which ia very much opposite of what you made up understand over here, but none the less i love the new approach, family comes first before religious affiliations.

MaxInDHouse:
That's the import of mutual respect, because we don't agree on worship doesn't mean we can't do anything together.
I remember a friend who happens to be a Muslim too when i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses he asked "i know your new found faith doesn't allow members to participate in all things so what are the things you will not continue doing now?"
We iron it out and continue our friendship, he knows i won't participate in eating anything having to do with religious festivities and i also know he won't eat pork meat. So whenever i buy my pork meat i won't bother asking him and whenever he brings any food having to do with religious festivities he won't invite me to join him. He continues with his girlfriend stuff while i stopped and that doesn't separate us until he travelled abroad.
So mutual respect is key to friendship we only try to know what each God says regarding other religions, it's what the Gods say not what you or i say!

100% true absolutely!

MaxInDHouse:
Please feel free to say what's in your mind but try not to be annoyed or insulting because that will only blur your sense of liberalism.

Note that He didn't use humans to fight back in Egypt, many thought it was a coincidence. That's why God asked the Israelites to face the nations so they will know that it wasn't a coincidence but the God of Israel that's backing His people!

Note that David was only fighting to protect the land God promised His people Israelites, David never leave that territory to dominate nations beyond the boundaries God allocated to Israel.

The Romans were forcing their rule on nations far away from Rome, so it's a totally different setting from what the Israelites did back then!

Oh yes i love the part of no insult, mutual respect is key