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Rozz:
you ran away yesterday,so you have gathered enough courage for your return abi pastor wealthy man

hoopernikao:
So why clothes, why not leaf. They can do the same. Why did you chose cloth. Why trousers, why not wrapper alone. The fact that you covered your unclothedness itself is influence. Children don't and they feel Okay. Your environment influenced that.

Are your decision not based on influenced thoughts. That is the question. When you are influenced to make decisions do you call that free thinking?

You are told to choose between A and B and then given explanation on how good is A and how bad is B, whatever you chose afterwards no matter how critical you think it through is influenced by that explanation. Choosing good is influence, choosing bad is product of influence too, same as not choosing at all.

Nothing is presented to you in life without associated influence.

The foundation of what you called free think is hidden in influences. No human is free from such.

The earlier you see and accept that.

Your definition of love today is influenced, infact to shock you, your definition of EVIL today is influenced. What comes out from that thinking you called free, are perfectly benchmark on influences you have refused to check.

Like I said do a good stock of your decisions in life and ask yourself what influences this. That is the point you start finding out.

hoopernikao:
In all of the marrying. How did she know love if not from influence. How did she know family pressure if not from influence. Your knowledge of love today did you manufacture it or was based on influence. All you feel today that you are freethinking. Sit down well and real think on them you will know exactly what inform those decisions, those thinking. You must do a sincere deliberate questioning of your mind to know exactly what influences any of your decisions.

Sit and think through. None of any of your decisions in life is from free thinking. It's actually from influenced thinking. So what influences you. The greatest of all illusion is to claim free thinking. No such thing exist sir.

hoopernikao:
When you are told something and you free think to judge to. That thinking in itself is benchmark against some influences, thought, past experiences, exposure. The thought does not stand alone.

You don't just say you think about something. Your decision are always influenced. You agreed to this earlier.

Is there any thought or decision that is ever not based on influence.

Why do you wear cloth? Can I see your freethinking decision on that?

Like I told you. The worst point of knowledge is when a man feel he is not influenced but just think by himself. It is the greatest point of self deception.

So, I asked again. How free is the thinking when such is also influenced by its surroundings.

DappaD:
Do you know that you are a very confused person?
The confusion going on within yourself is so great and it's not letting you sleep, that's why you're still up at 1am trying to contend with people who believe in a Supreme Being

hoopernikao:
Okay. No issue. So how free is the thinking since it is influenced.

Can you call an influenced opinion absolutely free?

hoopernikao:
Okay. No issue. So how free is the thinking since it is influenced.

hoopernikao:
Is like asking me what is the intent of physiology. It isn't my field or my concern. Those who find peace in Atheism should tell me the intent.

I hope there is one.

DappaD:
That's just your personal opinion on things
And no one really cares what your opinions are

hoopernikao:
If you conclude now, it is surely good.

But I trust that your yearning heart have received a part of the truth. And your steps will be ordered more to places you will receive more.

I trust same God you despise, to work through circumstances, those things that seems real and perfect to you and use them to direct your path aright.

I have no doubt that all your burdens, hatred and vile will fade away in the light of the gospel of Christ in due time. Amen.

hoopernikao:


I asked you A, you are answering B.

Firstly remember I told you, you have been decieved and lied to for long. Yiu have no single knowledge of what Christianity is. You have been sold a lie, bro. Love is not an intent, it is a product. Intent is knowing God sir. Don't let anyone deceive you again.

This is the reason you have a false reasoning about God. You were told Christianity intent is love, now no love no peace then it is false. And then start blaming God.

You better start listening to the truth. Love will wax cold, peace will cease. God intent to man will remain, to know him through Christ Jesus. Every other thing is a product of this.

Either in peace or war, in love or hatred, in many or little, in having or starving, in persecution or embrace, Christ to humanity remain the intent in the scriptures.

Until you start knowing this, you will continue your search without end.

DappaD:
Since you do not have a receptive heart, there's no need going into all that because it's a fruitless discussion

DappaD:
That's where you have it wrong sir!
All of the 8.7million Jehovah's Witnesses in the world are all united by common goals and we all have the same beliefs taught from the Bible.

This your self assertive narrative is taking you no where

hoopernikao:
You must be in between the red sea.

Which of the questions, I have asked you over a score.

So influences you, the intent that inform what you hold as true.

DappaD:
There he goes again! With his long speeches

DappaD:
See as how you are exposing you and your trinity cohorts
Matthew 12:25
A house divided against itself will not stand

hoopernikao:
I have answered you, maybe there is an answer you want to hear. I am a Christian, it is right for me to speak about me not anyone.

Have I heard some other spoke about what they believed in? YES. doesn't that lead to or satisfied my longing? NO.

So, what is your intent to what you hold tight. I have asked this 4 times now. You asked yours I answered you.

Don't you think the intent of the scriptures is pure and worth knowing? Isn't the same your heart yearns for? Why not look over the lies you have been told by those who twisted the scriptures for you and now be open to see for yourself if they are true.

DappaD:
You're putting unnecessary pressure on hoopernikao
You're the only calling hoopernikao a JW when he's obviously not one
Your discussion is based on authenticity of the Bible, correct? So chill and hear what hoopernikao has to say

hoopernikao:
I have answered you this question nah.
No need for repetition.

Back to influence, so answer me. What is your own influence or is it a secret? State what inform your intent, your stand.

hoopernikao:


You must be very funny.
One of the greatest comedy I have ever heard before is those who said exactly what you wrote above. "Your reasoning is you, turn to yourself for answers.... " . Most times when you say this it's either you aren't truthful to yourself or shear ignorance or how things works.

Firstly note that the biggest lies sold to you is that you aren't influenced by anything but yourself. Very false.

See, from the cloth you wear around, to your hair cut, to your thinking, decisions, you saw it somewhere, read, or influenced. No man that is not influenced in this world.

The inside you want to look into is the seat of external influence itself. Dont be deceived.

Everything you have ever typed in this forum was informed by influence.

So, you need to examine yourself well and think firstly, ask yourself what or who is influencing me. Until you can answer this question, you will be in the illusion of looking inward. All that is inward of man are product of influence he receives.

If the scriptures influences me, what influences you. Can you take your time and ask yourself this most important question. Then answer.

hoopernikao:
Christianity reveals God and the scriptures is to help do the same via its teachings. It's primary intent is to reveal God through Christ.

So, what is your own intent now. I want your present path.

hoopernikao:
So tell me what you see in the scriptures. What do you see and where. How did you come to your opinion. You are moving in circles.

And it's obvious you are exposed to very very wrong doctrine likely when you were still attending Christian meetings. You have a very very wrong perception of the scriptures and that has really really affected you as you found out later that you have been lied to.

It's quite a sorry, many have to fall for such sleight of men and cunning craftiness, such manipulation of scripture to either personal gain or to do what God didn't send them to do. But you aren't alone and it not absolutely bad.

But you must first accept this, that all your knowledge about the scriptures are absolutely false. That you have been exposed to lies almost all your time around church or believers. You were never allow to see rightly. I bet with you, everything you have mentioned all through this thread about the scriptures shows this clearly.

You may need to restart, to read, to see, to confirm the falsehood you may once enjoy but don't make sense again. Because all falsehood have an expiring date. Yours got to it's date then you got freed ,but sadly, not freedom unto freedom but unto further lies. Hatred of being deceived and lied to.

You need to see things yourself now. GRIMMJOE I really mean it. It is not what you were exposed to. It is not at all.

hoopernikao:
You are mixing things up GRIMMJOE.

You are judging the scriptures using people's conduct without even seeing for yourself what the scriptures says about such issue. You can't be pointing to people's experiences to just a documented fact. You should rather judge experiences with the exact thing written. Do you judge the constitution of a country by people's actions?

A man stole then you blame the constitution, the first question any sensible person will ask is if you have read the constitution and sure that it supports such actions... You are starting from point of finish running backward. You will miss the whole essence of the writings.

What does the scriptures teaches concerning an issue, is the first and the most intelligent questions any man can ask concerning a situation. But when you chose to go your way, you will be asking the wrong questions.

To me personally, you aren't different from anyone who misinterpret the scriptures to suit an action. It's just the same. Twist the scriptures to defend an action. But your case is, establish an action and turn back to blame the scriptures.

You will need to start seeing the other way now: from start to finish now.

hoopernikao:
Always keep evidence of accusations. If you wake me up from bed, I can still quote and rewrite verbatim all I have written on this thread from beginning. I don't write out of desire just to write, my writings and words are deliberate, well thought-out and well coordinated. So either by intent or writing, you can't point to any where I said what you accused me of. But like I said, I am used to that with you now.

Now, we are having an open discussion here. What you wrote in your second part is one of Mohammed Alli strategy to his opponent (let me use illustration that fits your normal grammar - fight ). Alli will want to warn his opponent to sway them away from their mind. That works for Alli, but in intellectual discussions it is a sign of fear and weakness from the speaker. So, don't use them. I know you have what to say and you can explain. So put them across as much as you can.

I have told you that the scriptures have a singular message, intent and thought. All explanation must align to this thought. That is how you know if an interpretation is correct. So, we aren't speaking about personal opinions here. But what is and how is written.

So state what you think, we may then align it with scriptures and know how true it is then accept your point. And if you see that it is not true, you truly don't have to accept my point but take the learning. It may help you in days ahead.

Maximus69:
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All these is what you're seeing because you yourself are crooked in your heart, you never cared to find the truth about God!

Just look at the young lady Rozz, she made me understand that she has some habits that she'll like to put away but at the same time she wants to know the truth about God! John 4:1-30
Jesus confirmed that the lady had questionable characters but she loves to know the difference between faith and credulity (John 4:19-20} you lived all your hopeless life waiting for the lies your Churchgoer Pastor who is just interested in your money was telling you.
You don't even know JWs.
Now a young lady who has interest in knowing the truth is asking, all for you to come in with your hopelessness to start spewing gibberish all over the place, and when everyone treated you gently feeling you might have been hurt by some greedy Pastors, you left saying your satisfied.

All for you to come back again with your retched madness! [/s]

hoopernikao:
By the way, the way you mentioned scriptures above gave me hope. I hardly see either atheist or those who reject God use such word, what is common among them is to use "bible" at most. Which is actually the same. But using scriptures, hmmm. Well, you know yourself.

Main thing now, is that i am likewise not dragging scriptures with you. I only want you to be objective and explain your point, and how you come to such conclusions.

How does the scriptures generate lies, fear etc. How do you come to this. At least, you must have read and saw this in it for you to claim it's what you said.

Speak plainly, there is no need to avoid speaking.