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BackllGodNaija:
But you don't believe those who've been there na...

At least you must have heard some persons talk about it sometime.

This is trash.

A place filled with fire and brimstone, trust me, if it exist, everyone will know.

echizzy:
May God have mercy on you

Please, tell me more.

jamesid29:
Einstein's theory of Relativity is one of the very few well attested and rigorously tested theories in all of science till date.
You can say you do not agree with it and it would be great if you can give reasons why and maybe present any other theory you believe more accurately describes the physics of the big...as you said, science thrives on questioning. Or you can say you don't know much about it,which is also a totally acceptable answer as no one knows everything. What you can't say is, we don't know anything about anything that describes our physical universe just because there are still things we do not understand well enough. If that's the case, We might as well stop going to school and also believe the technologies man has developed over the centuries that depend on the things we do know are based on magic.( I.e people who say it's oyinbo witchcraft that keeps a plane in the air.)

And sir, our discussion is not about the big bang. Our discussion has been about the property of time and how it relates to existence.

I'll take the other things you wrote as you blowing off steam as they are not directly related to our discussion.

Oh they are related, even with your basic knowledge you still choose the least possible explanation of the universe, a God, not just any God, but the one that contradict it's self in his own book, then comes out and contradict science.

This shows that you're just scared of going to hell, so you chose a higher authority just in case it exist. Shame on you.

Emmacolinho:
Oga it just serves as fertilizer to whatever work that you were doing before. No be say money go just dey appear. Sh*t works

I'm even more ashamed it's a grown man with hairy balls saying this.

Emmacolinho:
Oga it just serves as fertilizer to whatever work that you were doing before. No be say money go just dey appear. Sh*t works

1. Ritual doesn't work, there's no proof of this, just superstition.

2. Ritual is not real, this is why country like America is far better than superstitious Africa.

Righteousness89:
I know sir...

You are Blessed!

Hey Righteousness , is there any thing you want to know.

sonmvayina:
You are stuck on stupiiid

That guy can't be helped.

jamesid29:
Ok so, the statement "I am the beginning and the end" is a title used by Jesus in the book of revelations and is usually accompanied with the statements "I am the Alpha and Omega", "the First and the Last". To put things in context, the book of revelations is a apocalyptic book detailing the end of all things(current universe).It's at this time God is going to deal with evil on a cosmic scale and usher in a new universe with new physical laws ,where there's no pain, no death,no suffering etc.
So in Genesis 1, we have "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", John 1:1-3 expands on that with "In the beginning was the Word.....verse3: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." and finally the book of revelation reveals to us how the second coming of Christ is bringing everything to an end in this age.
So when we have the statement " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." It means God/Jesus is the beginning of all things and He is also the end of all things. It's not that He has a beginning or an end.

And yea, The Bible does talk about God being transcendent:Psalm 90:2, Genesis 1:1, Genesis 21:33, Colossians 1:16-17, Revelations 10:6 and so on.


I don't see how this is relevant to our conversation but just a slight adjustment to put what you said in perspective. Yes, our eyes take in information in 2d but our brain recreates those images into 3d by using things like the difference in images from both eyes, motion, relative size etc to determine depth.
It just like how our eyes sees images upside down then our brain turns it the right way up. Again I really don't see how this helps our conversation but I would agree with you that our system is pretty amazing.


@bolded... It's pretty weird you would make this statement. The concept that we live in a universe whose fabrics is 3-dimensions of space and 1-dimension of time connected together(Hence why it's called space-time) is nothing new. Objects with mass don't only move through space but also move through time and the faster you move through space, the slower you move through time. Gravity is not a force that attracts objects together but the warping of space-time itself. That's the basics of the theory of Relativity, which has been around for over a 100yrs.
It's also weird you would say Einstein doesn't know this as he is the one who actually proved it and it's his prove of this particular theory that catapulted him into stardom.

Yawns, no one yet knows the truth of this world, Einstein theory is still inconclusive, but it holds more to the rest. (there are more so called theory of how this world came about, not just God and big bang)

About truth, science is willing to research and know more, not religion that shut down peoples brain with God created everything the end.

About inconclusive, the Bible only shows it was written by men with little knowledge of this world when it was written, saying the earth rest on 4 pillars, light being created before sun and so on.

If God truly is Omnipotent, I mean Omnipotent, not neigh Omnipotent, not true Omnipotent, not absolute Omnipotent, but Omnipotent.
He would have succeeded in creating the world he always want to create, but instead he fails miserably, shows the plot holes was as a result of a book written by humans.

sonmvayina:
You have been lead through a wrong path, no body can atone for your sins for you... It is your soul that needs to be cleansed and be right with God... Nobody can do that for you..

Do it your self..

No one can atone for my sin, what was Jesus doing on the cross, playing ludo?

So why haven't God time travel back to the beginning and start over, instead he's be killing people with disasters, flood, he brought his son and kill him too, that's not enough, he still plan on roasting some few more.

By the way, why will I leave 72 virgins for a Christian heaven? all you do there is sing, wtf!

For those saying others will go to hell, remember you're not the only ones with hell.

There are about 4,200 hell, even if you escape Christian hell you'll still end up in Islamic hell, Hinduism , Buddhism and the rest of 4,196 hell ... good luck.

Sincerely if I go to hell I'll still blame God, he has spent the last 2000 years failing to prove his existence, and saving humanity.

Like I always say if God want us to take home serious, he should come down and die on the cross himself.

No blood of Jesus scam, blood that couldn't even save the Jesus from being killed like animal.

echizzy:
Hell is not a joke people. Let's stop making fun of this pls

It's not a joke, but when an Almighty and Powerful God spends his time roasting people...

dopedealer:
Go and read your Bible , if you have one !

Typical, thinking others believe in pink unicorn too.

hayoholla:
Ok,so let's pretend you are not assuming. But god giving man's freewill? Does god not know what freewill is, by dashing man's so freely. He should know the consequences na or shouldn't he, why should he then feel remorse afterwards? It may be likened to me giving a child a matchbox in poorly lit room, he might end up setting up the house on fire, if he's too careless or doesn't know how to use a matchbox prior to me giving him one, or he might light choose to put up light to illuminate the room. I hope you get the analogy.

Lemme throw this question at you. Which will you prefer? a balanced system or a perfect system, as a designer.

You won't get an answer, God isn't real.

Vyzz:
I am. Not supporting anybody but



These atheist sometimes can be annoying and aggressive...



The way the insult u and make u look like a fool just because the want u to believe that there is no God.



The think their selves most enlightened

The Atheist are not the ones killing Christians, funny they are the aggressive one.

GOD BLESS

Gaggii:
If you want a clarification on somethings we learned from religion, you will end up seeing religion as a scam...because there are many contradictions in religion.

Indoctrination isn't learning.

Gaggii:
Nobody understand Gods way..thats why he is God...just believe his existence and appreciate his grace and mercy.

He still baffles me why neither God nor any of his prophet never condemned slavery in Quran and Bible...till Abraham Lincoln come later abolished slavery. But who born my father to question Gods audacity.

The fact remains some question cannot be answered, religious people go just dey use scope and still dey contradict themselves.
They will say he his omniscience, they will still claim we have freewill...instead of them to admit that the question his beyond their understandings

We as human should never stop asking questions, because when we do we will never progress.

Sometimes I look at reality TV shows, big brother Nigeria, and wonder why humans are not concerned about the world they live in, most people don't know the name of the Galaxy the earth is located in, heck, most people don't know what a Galaxy is.

This is the fault of religion, it stops people from using their brain, it stops people from asking questions.

Gaggii:
So he no no say he go turn to Satan...kip confusing yourself...religion and foolishness na 5 and 6

If God truly was omnipotent, he will simply go back in time and change the past.

But he brought a flood, sacrificed his son, did many stupi.d things, and then regretted he created humans making him look weak and powerless.

PiccoloBrunelli:
Yes God is omniscient. He knows it all. However, if you had the best singing voice in the world, would you sing 24/7 just because you can? You will still decide when to sing and what to sing. God has impeccable self control. So he can decide not to know the outcome of a particular event. If he knew that the angel he made would become Satan and that he will deceive the first human couple and subject mankind to thousands of years of unspeakable suffering AND HE STILL WENT AHEAD TO MAKE THAT ANGEL, then that would be most unloving and wicked.

But the Bible tells us different. God is love.

Omniscient means to know all things, even things that doesn't exist, even things that haven't yet happen and things that will never happen.

An Omniscient is so knowledgeable that they know how to get 2+2 = 79.

Going by the Bible, then God is not Omniscient.

Eulalia:
Come o... . Am I God? Lol... Ask Him. He's your maker too.

On a more serious note, God created Lucifer for His own pleasure. To minister songs to Him but along the line, Lucifer thought too highly of himself and was abased.

No.2 You claimed Angels don't have freewill, how did Lucifer rebel against God.

Eulalia:
Come o... . Am I God? Lol... Ask Him. He's your maker too.

On a more serious note, God created Lucifer for His own pleasure. To minister songs to Him but along the line, Lucifer thought too highly of himself and was abased.

Then why didn't God destroy him.

xproducer:
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"But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second [a]admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned." - Titus 3:9-11

May GOD mercy on us all! Blessings!

Running with your tail between you legs, hmm.

Like this comment and die...

Eulalia:
Oh... I c.

Why did God created Satan.

Righteousness89:
You don't Question your owner!

The Bible is the Manual to guide you.

Matthew 19:3-8
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.


We don't own ourselves! Someone owns us! We can't live outside the way our owner told us to..

Questioning Him is irrelevant.. we are nothing but mere creatures..

The lowself esteem is strong with this one.

Eulalia:
Nope. Angels do not have free will. They are servants and are meant to only obey and operate only at God's command. That was why God sent Lucifer and other angels who rebelled by trying to have their own will out of his kingdom because they left their first estate which is obeying and doing only God's command and wanted to be doing what ever they wish. Its only human beings God gave free will to operate.

God created the angels for His use. He uses them as messengers for certain purposes he cannot use man cos he made man a little lower than angels so we don't don't possess the power and nature God gave the angels to operate with. But we have the will the angels do not have.

So Angels can only operate at Gods command, not of their own accord in other not to abuse the power they posses.

Look at another example of angels who left their firs estate and came down to mate with humans (operated of their own will) how it led to disaster. Their offspring were giants who were so powerful and began to eat human beings and destroy things. So God has a reason for not giving angels free will and power. He was careful to strike a balance there.

Also imagine if humans were given powers like the angels coupled with the free will, everyone will have been dead by now as people would want to destroy their fellow human beings at the slightest offence.

Shalom

But human still kill other humans, and it seems you don't know the story of the fallen angel.

nencounter10:
You have made your choice. You should live with the consequences. Talk of pot talking back at the Potter. I am done talking with you.

But humans don't have freewill_ so that choice you think you have (heaven or hell) is an illusion.
It's like a thief saying your money or your life.

Oluromantic:
Well I know many people would want to bash me. Feel free. Aethist you're welcome. Different overknow denominations you're welcome. Personal bashers you're welcome to bash.

But my answer to this question is

"...God is unquestionable..." Simple!

If this is true, how do Atheist exist.

jamesid29:
Well not really. You are assuming that God is constrained in time like the universe and all that is in it.

Ok so, firstly it is established that we live in a universe with a single dimension of time, where time cannot be stopped or be reversed. Any entity constrained in a such a universe must at some ultimate point have a beginning or a creation event. So the word "to create" in this context means: For something (which wasn't in existence before) to appear at some point within this single linear dimension of time. Think of it as time being a straight line that keeps going forward and different things appearing at different points on this line.

The space-time theorem also establishes that time itself has a beginning and was created. This implies that there must be an agent outside of time itself that brought it into existence. The claim the Bible makes repeatedly is, God created the universe which includes both space and time,therefore God himself cannot be subject to linear time and he need not have a beginning or an ending. In that sense, the word "to create" cannot be applied to Him.

Finally, just as a 2d character living in a 2d world would lack the language to express anything that has depth because his entire world is constrained to only "up & down", "front & back" , we also lack the language to express how a being exists outside of linear time.
Questions like who created God?What was God doing before the universe was created? Etc cannot be applied to an entity that brought time itself into existence. And because of our contraints of reference we cannot even begin to think of the right types of questions to ask.

All what you wrote was trashed when God said he's the beginning and the end. For a beginning to exist time must exist, God nevered said he's Omnilock.

Just some education, humans are 3 dimensional being, but what we see are 2 dimensional, that's why you can watch a movie on a flat screen, anything you can see can be painted on a picture.

See why science will always be ahead of religion that shut down peoples brains, also you assume the 4th dimension is time, nobody knows what the fourth dimension is even Einstein.

Righteousness89:
Did you read my Summation? You see why u need help? You are totally ignorant of the Bible..

Christians calls others ignorant, yet they are the righteous one.

TheSourcerer:
it has always been hear-say , we(our society) is full of this scary, life munching , blood sucking creatures who are always out to get the living for some reason.

too bad some actually believes this, and get scamed.