Theproudinfidel:



well only few people still know my stance about religion in real life. For the records I still attend Arabic and Quranic class

You still attend Arabic and Quranic class and you still display such ignorance? Guy abeg sue that class teacher.






We are still waiting for your unanswered questions.

Theproudinfidel:



As far as I am concerned, the so called scientific theory in the Quran is not enough for a prove for its divinity. Before Jesus and Muhammad was born Democritus, anaximander and theophrastus all speculated and propounded scientific facts that were confirmed by empirical researches in modern times. And they claim no divine inspiration for it.

I did not quote those statements to prove anything to you. You quoted a scholar, Thomas Paine, to disapprove the Qur'an. Likewise I quoted scholars like him, some even greater than him who reaffirms the Qur'an.

Funny it is that you been able to burn a page from the Qur'an is enough a prove for you that it isn't divine but undisputed scientifically verified theories doesn't do otherwise.

alBHAGDADI:
Then why do we keep seeing pictures of Muslims celebrating a Quran that didn't get burnt in a fire as a miracle from Allah? Why order for Quran to be burnt when you are still going to prevent one from burning in a burning house?

You keep seeing Muslims celebrating. I have been a Muslim for about 3 decades now and have never seen such.

Besides, nothing is special about the Qur'an not been burnt in a burning house. In my school days, my hostel room got burnt, every thing was touched, even our cooking pot git melted. But two of my text books were speared. Engineering Mathematics and Quantum Mechanics.

So if same thing happens to the Qur'an, the Bible, the thaurah or any other book, it's nothing but a coincidence. Only overzealous or probably silly peeps celebrates such.

alBHAGDADI:
You mean your caliph burnt some verses of the Quran you all claim is the word of Allah? You mean Allah couldn't protect his words from being burnt by the caliph even after claiming that he will protect his words?

Maybe the caliph uthman burnt some of the violent parts of Quran. You all need to advice your new caliph, Abu bakr Al Baghdadi, to burn the remaining passages of the Quran cos they are all violent.

Stop fooling yourself please. Burning, is one of the Islamically prescribed way of disposing damaged, worn out or faded texts of the Qur'an.

plaetton:

Aneke, the bird of Igbo mythology also had his wings clipped due to pride and arrogance.

ok

Theproudinfidel:
The period of doubt


Silence and soberity isn't empty it's full of answers.......... Anonymous

Do not seek truth by men, first know the truth and you will know it's adherent.... Imam ali


My moment of doubt started during a long holiday, we had in my third year at the university. Every member of the house will leave, which makes me the only person staying at home . Before people will start thinking am lonely and sad and probably suggest that for the main reason for my atheism, let it be known that am used to been alone and am obsessed with reading, most especially philosophical books. It is through these books and a large amount of self contemplation that the doubt became intense. I had so many questions my religion can not answer.

For the bolded, Islam, if really was/is your religion have answers to all your questions. You probably don't know the answers and haven't asked. Allah azza wa jal, in Surah Al'Anbiya says (what can be translated as) "...so ask the people of the knowledge, if you do not know". So ask your questions here, and those with knowledge will answer you.

I was convinced logically that there is no God but I held back because of testimonies of personal experience and miracles I had always heard. But on thinking deeper I realised I haven't witnessed any of these things first hand, I had only heard them from ear say, to put it in a more concise way I had never seen or experience anything that goes against the natural laws of nature. I prayed earnestly for God to revealed himself but I felt nothing

A primary one student in an Islamic school knows that the bolded above is not possible in this world. God does not reveal Himself to humans to be seen ra'yal ayn, not even to his Prophets and/or messengers. This forces one to wonder if if you even have at least a basic knowledge of Islam.

In Surah Al'A'raf, Allah azza wa jal says (what can be translated as ): "And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [ Allah ] said, "You can not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.".

Similarly, in surah Al'An'am, he azza wa jal says (what can be translated as): "Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."

I became so worried and my anxiety increased. I later reasoned that the only option I had left to contact God is the Quran and I have heard so many occasions and boastful remarks about the Quran. It is believed that it won't burn when in contact with fire.

For the bolded, Who believes that? Muslims I know do not believe in such. No where is it state in the Qur'an, Sunnah or any Islamic literature both classical and modern that the Qur'an does not burn. Bal, burning is one of the Islamically prescribed way of disposing damaged or worn out copies of the texts of the Qur'an. This, even a primary student in an Islamic school knows.

On a hot afternoon in the corner of my room, I prayed and told God this is the last chance he had to prove himself to me. I tore the first page of suratul yasin roll it, and light it up. Am sure u can guess what happened next (might post the pictures if u guys need it)

No need for pictures. We all know that not only suratul yasin, even if it is the whole Qur'an, it will burn no doubt about that.

After that incident I resolved never to have anything to do again with God, religion, and spirituality again.

Really? Your choice though.

I still held Islam and it's teaching In great esteem, but after the incident I began to see Islam from another perspective; it's totalitarian and intolerant nature, it's hostility against democracy, science and philosophy, the reduction of women to sex object, and the reduction of every contact between a male and a female to sex, the concept of good and evil, and of Paradise and hell and lastly the superiority and the infallibility of the Quran. I would definitely talk about all this aspect of Islam but the time is what am lacking. Am still a university student, so I have to share my time and do what is right in time. I just hope u can all bear with me

Patiently waiting for your to talk about the bolded.

"But admitting for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a
certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that
person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third
to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be revelation to all those persons. It is
revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently
they are not obliged to believe it.
It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that
comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily
limited to the first communication—after this it is only an account of something
which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may
find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it
in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and 1 have only
his word for it that it was made to him. When Moses told the children of
Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands
of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority
for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some
historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity
with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified
to be a lawgiver, or legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse
to supernatural intervention.

All these are strictly the author's opinion. It definitely does not hold water or makes sence, atleast to me.

When I am told that the Koran was written in heaven and brought to
Mahomet by an angel, the account comes too near the same kind of hearsay
evidence and second-hand authority as the former. 1 did not see the angel myself
and, therefore, I have a right not to believe it"...............Thomas Paine. The age of reason

The bolded is Muhammad, not Mahomet.

Finally, find below comments of some notable modern scholars with regards the Qur'an.


"A totally objective examination of it [the Qur'an] in the light of modern knowledge, leads us to recognize the agreement between the two, as has been already noted on repeated occasions. It makes us deem it quite unthinkable for a man of Muhammad's time to have been the author of such statements on account of the state of knowledge in his day. Such considerations are part of what gives the Qur'anic Revelation its unique place, and forces the impartial scientist to admit his inability to provide an explanation which calls solely upon materialistic reasoning."
Maurice Bucaille, THE QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE, 1981, p. 18.


“It is impossible that Muhammad (peace be upon him) authored the Quran. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?
How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human-being could possibly have developed at that time, an all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?”
[Dr. Maurice Bucaille – author of “The Bible, the Quran and Science” 1978, p. 125]



“In making the present attempt to improve on the performance of my predecessors, and to produce something which might be accepted as echoing however faintly the sublime rhetoric of the Arabic Koran, I have been at pain to study the intricate and richly varied rhythms which – apart from the message itself – constitute the Koran’s undeniable claim to rank amongst the greatest literary masterpieces of mankind..
This very characteristic feature – ‘that inimitable symphony’, as the believing Pickthall described his Holy Book, ‘the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy’ has been almost totally ignored by previous translators; it is therefore not surprising that what they have wrought sounds dull and flat indeed in comparison with the splendidly decorated original..”
[Arthur J. Arberry – “The Koran Interpreted”, London: Oxford University Press . 1964, p. x.]



"...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

"As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..." E. Marshall Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.


"... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God.". Joe Leigh Simpson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.



"Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."

"Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...

If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago.". Alfred Kroner, Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Germany.


"I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Qur'an, and I have no way of knowing where they would have come from. But I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages."

And when he was asked about the source of the Qur'an, he replied, "Well, I would think it must be the divine being.". William Hay, Professor of Oceanogprahy, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA.

Theproudinfidel:


humans will always see what they wanted to see........am not putting this up, am not a writer, and it hasn't been easy putting this together and am a biochemistry student who is still in session.

Carry on

EazyMoh:
Heheheheh this is funny! OP please do not deviate from your story by bringing unnecessary historical conjectures, leave debate for Mu'tazilites, Kawareej, Boko Haram and whatever for another thread.
FYI what people are looking forward in this thread is a Hardmirrow kind of story, so please do not disappoint.

That is if he isn't making up a fictitious story

Seun:


The earth was not built to favor life. Rather it is life that has adapted to the earth through the process of evolution. When life started, there was no oxygen in the air so life was dominated by autotrophic microbes which get their energy from the sun through photosynthesis, such as algae. Through their activities, the atmosphere became rich in oxygen which enabled air-breathing organisms to develop through evolution. The earth has at many times been hostile to life, leading to numerous mass extinction events like the one that wiped out the dinosaurs. It is life that adapts to the environment in which it happens to find itself.

Now here's my question for you. If God created the entire universe as an ideal environment for hosting life, including human life, why is life only present on earth which is a very very very very small part of the universe? If the universe was made for life, why is 99.9999999999% of the universe hostile to the life it was created for? Out of the billions of billions of stars and planets that God is supposed to have created in six days, why is only one of them a home to life as far as we know?

"Atheists believe that our creation, along with the
universe all just happened by chance, for no reason, and all by itself. This in itself is quite an illogical position; one can even say it takes more faith to believe that we were formed by chance, and by nothing, than it takes to believe in a creator who made us."

Seun:
How is it possible that Satan does not believe that God exists? Hasn't he met with God many times according to what you believe?

Satan is not an atheist. Primarily, pride and arrogance was his (first) sin.

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