₦airaland Forum

TonyeBarcanista:
Go find out the ethnicity of the present Edo state first lady and where she hails from in Edo state. No be by noise

fratermathy:
I am not a Biafran.

TonyeBarcanista:
I support 100%! Ijaws in Delta, Edo and Ondo have been agitating for Toru-ibe state.

Enough is enough

bolaino:
I want to use this medium to appeal to the Federal Government Of Nigeria to please consider the creation of an Indigenous state comprising solely of both the Urhobo and Isoko States Respectively. as Bayelsa was created. I believe it is within our constitutional rights as Ethnic nationalities with distinct cultural and social roots in this country. to call on the FG to recognize our uniqueness and create a separate state from Delta state compromising of Urhobo and Isoko.

fratermathy:
I read elsewhere that it was Uwherun women. Why are there conflicting stories on the women who blocked the road?

Meanwhile, this blogger should clean up his language.

Mr Buhari, call your kinsmen to order please before this degenerates into a WAR!

hannyjay:
U must wait 4 d reply on sunday. Any one dat come out without d police reply na SUYYA

Ngozi123:
Do you even know what a 'rant' is?

Eshinwaju:
Rantings of a juvenile mind...

NwannekaUloma:
LOL...i heard you

TheSlyone2:
Can you ever make sense without throwing insult?, I guess not. You really need to grow up dude. Tribalism and bigotry is one common element that has dissociate the youths. In order for growth to take place, people especially youths have to look beyond skin color, tribe, religion and ideology.

NwannekaUloma:
you got it right dear

TheSlyone2:
Wao, another dumbass on the loose . You obviously have issue understanding things.

99% of igbos commenting here are blind to the truth. But she isn't

TheSlyone2:
This is coming from a girl from THE EAST

BornStunner1:
PabloAfricanus you have made some nice contribution up there based on Authentic Facts not Bais I like that Thumbs Up!!

And i me too without Bais agree that the Aniomas were Originally igbo but have been influenced extremely by Edos over the centuries that now thier Ancestry is 50% Edo 50% Igbo.


I have no problem with igbos....... Even Igbos of Onitsha extraction view Edos as kith and Kin....... Its things like this that bring about Unity and Progress not Arguments that can never be won like some of ur igbo ppl have been trying to do on this thread but failed woefully

blues20:
This has been my position all along.... Aborigine Igbos and Bini, Igala, even Yorubas formed Anioma of today. But since Igbos constitute the largest and more dominant, the Igbo language and culture prevailed over others. I don't see the reason why some mofos will be doubting the facts that Igbos were the aborigines of these places.

BornStunner1:
REMOVE YORUBA FROM THERE.......

PabloAfricanus:
[s]You are funny.
Should have guessed from your contributions so far.
No need to engage you further[/s].

The Binis had highly organized political systems, organized armies, carried out military campaigns,urban centres, diplomatic relations with foreign kings, were empire builders.
The Igbos on the other hand, had nothing in terms of politics, military and empire to what the Bini empire was.
I hope that concept is not too abstract for you to wrap your head around.

PabloAfricanus:
It's either you have a comprehension problem or you are simply confused.
I'm aware Igbo is spoken in Rivers and Delta states...that's the whole point of this thread anyway. Is that the point you were trying to make?
You want to add Ikwerre and other Igbo speaking lands as evidence of what?
Clearly state it...
Edo consisting of 1 million groups has no bearing on the "facts" you came up with.
Bini's driving out Igbos and joining with Yorubas to create the Bini language
Where did you pick that from?
And your replies just keep getting off point...
Provide proof for your facts"...that's the challenge I posed to you.
Or you can just run away and claim superior knowledge only available to you.

PabloAfricanus:
Sigh

This what you posted as FACTS



And I challenged you on this



I did not even bother to address your other "facts" cos apparently you have little knowledge of the subject matter.
I asked you FIRST to provide PROOF or evidence that the Igbos were the first to settle in Bini...which ofcourse you only
came up with more arguments and skipped.
I then showed you that there is no way the what you posted as FACT could be true because:

1) The contrasting social,cultural and political backgrounds of Binis and Igbos does not support your argument.
If it did, the two cultures would have rubbed off each other.
Or oral evidence would have survived to buttress that fact.
Cue the Romans and Gauls, the Fulanis and the Habes, Fulanis and surrounding tribes in Adamawa etc.
The implication of your posted "FACTS" would mean that they were sister cultures, when infact nothing like that existed.
The Binis had highly organized political systems, organized armies, carried out military campaigns,urban centres, diplomatic relations with foreign kings, were empire builders.
The Igbos on the other hand, had nothing in terms of politics, military and empire to what the Bini empire was.
I hope that concept is not too abstract for you to wrap your head around.

2) The landmass occupied by Bini speaking people way before the colonials came shows that the Igbos were not even in the picture.
And the Binis have no oral history of coming from anywhere else or driving out aborigines from Bini land proper.
And even after Nigeria had been formed and the old kingdoms carved up, present Edo state still occupies a larger land mass than all the SE Igbo states combined.
All the conquered territories by the Bini empire did not include any of the Igbo lands today as we know it.
The closest Bini got to Igbo speaking lands was the Aniocha/Ika lands and my argument in this thread is that those people were and have always been Igbos, albeit influenced and mixed with Bini.
If you have any oral or documented history of the Bini empire conquering Igbo aborigines and driving them out from their lands...please share.
Until then, the lands the Bini empire conquered and occupied had NOTHING to do with Igbo lands as we know it.

Are you also uncomfortable with facts?

PabloAfricanus:
Here is another historical chip for you, from here http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z3n7mp3



Besides the fact that present day Edo state is bigger than all the SE Igbo states combined with extra space left,
the Bini Empire in its heyday extended west as far as present-day Ghana.
I wont bother to contrast the state of development of present Igbo land then as compared to Bini during the time of Oba Orhogbua.
Or the knowledge of geography, settlements along the West African coast, far flung conquests carried out etc...when the Igbos were still living in closely knit village units and had no concept of kings or armies.

Now before you go rambling offpoint again, who is the myopic and ignorant one now?
Get your facts right before you go arguing on topics you know nothing about.

PabloAfricanus:
Ignorance is what is challenging most Africans, coupled with lack of a reading or research culture.
I will be brief.

These are the areas in square kilometres (km²) covered by each of the SE Igbo states.
Imo 5,530 km²
Abia   6,320 km²
Enugu 7,161 km²
Anambra 4,844 km²
Ebonyi  5,533 km²

TOTAL AREA oF ALL SE IGBO STATES=17,535 km2

Now compare that to the area covered by today's Edo state
Edo 17,802 km²

I used Wikipedia as a quick source, I did not bother to check the official sources, you are free to counter figures above anyway.

Mind you that this is Edo after the British had made the Oba renounce claims to most of his nearby and far flung territories.
Being an Igbo man, I doubt if the concept of conquest and territory would make sense to you, cos its not a concept most Igbo
people identify with or make sense of.
So I wont bother to list the territories Bini controlled before the British deposed Oba Ovamranwen.
Did the Igbos have any territory that the British took away?
I leave it to you to do the math and imagine the size of Bini land proper, territories in today's Ekiti, Ondo, Lagos and all the way down South
to Urhobo and Itshekiri lands.

So who is the myopic and ignorant one here now?

PabloAfricanus:


Now you are looking for trouble grin
How do you mean and where did you get that information from?
Any research done to come up with that conclusion...care to share?
Please be careful in your statements, Bini in its prime was larger than the area occupied by the present day Igbo speaking states.
Moreover, the stark contrast in social life, culture and political systems between the Edos and the Igbos makes your statement sound very very very ignorant.
Please desist from making ignorant statements like this that will only engender distrust and hatred.
If you do not have the facts to back up your "facts"...then keep it to yourself.
Thanks.

Moreover, the stark contrast in social life, culture and political systems between the Edos and the Igbos makes your statement sound very very very ignorant.