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raumdeuter:
An individual doesn't define what is an official act. The office he occupies has rules

If he decides not leave, won't even be a question. Did Trump want to leave or not?

Did he leave or he didn't? That's America and why it's not a banana republic

ijebosb:
Link the section of the constitution which answers this.

bemeruca:
The constitution already answered

raumdeuter:
All these are just to induce panic. She can add all the millions of scenarios to it, It doesnt change anything

Sotomayor should tell us what her ruling should be
Current ruling states its on a case by case, If she wants a blanket rule let her say which of the 2 options is she with
Is it

1. President does not have immunity from ALL acts
or
2. President does have immunity from ALL acts

So what is it?

raumdeuter:
You are missing the point, Osama and Suleimani killing will fall under official killing, Joe Random even if he is a criminal/killer as long as he hasnt been found guilty by court. You have no right to order his killing. is an unofficial killing

You will be prosecuted for Joe Random, you have immunity for Osama

PDPGuy:
Now, you’re first hypo its where it could get tricky. I wouldn’t want to believe that a reasonable judge would agree that your first hypo is an official act, because even if the political opponent has committed treason against the U.S., he/she would still have to go through due process before a punishment can be meted out to that person.

But if that same rival, for eg, takes hostages in a federal building, while being armed and threatens to shoot all the hostages unless a President Trump (or Biden) withdraws from the race, a court may decide that the sitting president has the official power to authorize the FBI’s SWAT team to take out that rival. No doubt that the DOJ and the court may reason that the president’s duty to protect lives and property would be sufficient justification for the president to authorize the on the spot shooting of his rival, in that circumstance.

As to your second example, the District court would most likely hold that, Trump allegedly asking his supporters to invade Capitol Hill, would be outside the scope of his official duties, especially if he didn’t use any instrument of governance ie the DOJ, FBI etc to pass that order to his supporters.

PDPGuy:
The delineation between “official” and “unofficial” acts would rest with the DC District court. But as raumdeuter suggested, I would think that Judge Chutkin (of the DC District Court) would likely find that Trump, asking a Secret Service agent to assassinate a rival candidate for president, would fall under “unofficial acts”.

raumdeuter:
The court is not a place for emotions or emotional arguments

Let me ask you are all acts by President official? or unofficial?

Should a president be prosecuted for ordering the killing of Osama or Suleimani?

raumdeuter:
That is why the SCOTUS is telling the lower courts to differentiate which is official and which is not

Or what is outrageous about this ruling? This is a simple common sense ruling

Simply put. There are official duties which are covered and unofficial which are not covered

or should we start trying Presidents who order killing terrorists for murder because we are pretending not to know what is official and what is not official?

raumdeuter:
The SCOTUS said Trump has immunity from official acts but not for unofficial acts

Its now left to the lower courts to clarify what is Official act and what is not official act

E.g Ordering the killing of a known terrorist like Osama, Suleimani who pose a threat to the US is an official act, ordering the killing of a business associate who you don't like is an unofficial act

This is a very simple thing, What will be the reason for Biden to order the arrest on Trump?

Let me ask you the order to kill Osama where do you think it falls under? vs the order to kill a random civilian

Everyone has an official duty and an unofficial duty. A driver carrying business luggage for delivery vs the same driver going to party on the weekend. Which one is official and which is unofficial

WhizdomXX:
Jesus Christ. The reason was that she and her "unmarried" husband have been living together for a while now, In the past 1 months the man was jobless and then he got a job as a contractor with Chevron, only to come home on the eve of that announcement with a lady that "he wants to marry". She sells fish and has been sustaining the family all this while.
One morning, she woke up and told them she is going to buy fish. On the way to the market, she started distributing the money she wanted to use to buy fish to people freel until she was left with 1k, then on reaching the bridge, she prayed on top the last 1k in her hand and jumped.

veekid:
wayre

Righteousness2:
Do we really understand what PROSPERITY is?

Ladies and Gentlemen Listen,
Any Prosperity that does not include the Prosperity of your Spirit and Soul is a Highway to Destruction in Hell Fire.
Our Soul and Spirit can only be said to be Prosperous when you Have Surrendered to the LORDSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST and you are living according to HIS ways which makes us Qualified For Eternal Life in Heaven.

Listen! We came to this Word Na.ked and will leave the way we came.
Nobody will Carry $1 to Eternity
Nobody will Carry Properties, Jets, rolls royce, any automobiles, certificates or Whatever to Eternity.
When we cross over, nobody cares how billions of streams you had on earth.

The Only thing that will save you is if you haf a Genuie relationship with JESUS CHRIST and Lived according to HIS words and Commandments.
This is only ticket to Heaven.

If you didnt, Sorry! You Have wasted Your life.

Real Prosperity is one whose name is in the Book of Life.

Emyzoloye5:
Do you know what the current Govt house looks like...a little bungalow along the express way
Haba! This is a welcomed development

VinnyBaba:
I have never seen such COWARDLY display like I see on this Forum.

These R0nu boys Fear Hausas/FULANIs like a Village deity.

Once they see IGBOs, they start jumping around, making Tribalistic and Foolish comments.

Laurene:
When was the last time Biden granted an interview? Even to friendly press?

raumdeuter:
Difference was that people already had suspicion about Bidens competence and today he confirmed it

For Obama it was a shock that the smooth Obama can be this sloppy

For Biden it was a surprise how bad he actually is

yewit37486:
As long as it's not England, else we won't hear word again
I was quite impressed by Georgia, despite being such a small country, you could see the determination in their players.

Moroccoguy:
The Airport will serve as alternative to the ever congested Muritala Muhammad Airport. All I can say for now.

Bulletproofgt:
Lagos Government is yeye and useless. There is Cholera outbreak and many areas of the state are piled up with stinky dirts and poo littering gutters