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MrPristine:
It's the bible that called it annulment not me and it's wrong of you to amend what God has annulled. That's rebellion.

Agreed. That law has been annulled.

But the same passage talks about a new law being in place

Heb ch 7
vs 12: For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law
vs 18: For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
vs 28: For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore

Heb ch 8
vs 7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
vs 10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
vs 13: In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

It goes on and on
Via the highlighted verses, you can see that there is a new convenant and an old one. The word "convenant" and "law" were used interchangeably thoughout the highlighted verses.

BERNIMOORE:
POST *A4(1)
POST *A4 on this link has taken care of that: https://www.nairaland.com/4160536/paying-tithe-biblical/7#62595974
but since you need to be schooled on this, i tagged this 'extension as POST *A4(1) for reference

back to your question


part highlighted reads;
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

1,these ought ye to have done,.....sub ordinate clause that cannot stand alone 'but a function of the main clause
2, and not to leave the other undone...main clause relying heavily on the sub-ordinate clause

submission: mathew 23:23, jesus did not justify tithing, but 'if they must pay tithe, they must also keep the whole law
using the analogy here in the context of Mathew 23:23 to justfy that jesus approves tithing is not only fraudulent but also a deliberate twisting and 'misrepresentation of jesus analogy to suit 'a pre-conceive concept' that is borne out of greed, and also amount to standing logic on its head, now lets evaluate;

for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: t[i]hese ought ye to have done[/i], and not to leave the other undone.

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See definition for a simple sentence

BERNIMOORE:
POST *A4(1)
POST *A4 on this link has taken care of that: https://www.nairaland.com/4160536/paying-tithe-biblical/7#62595974
but since you need to be schooled on this, i tagged this 'extension as POST *A4(1) for reference

back to your question


part highlighted reads;
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

1,these ought ye to have done,.....sub ordinate clause that cannot stand alone 'but a function of the main clause

2, and not to leave the other undone...main clause relying heavily on the sub-ordinate clause

submission: mathew 23:23, jesus did not justify tithing, but 'if they must pay tithe, they must also keep the whole law
using the analogy here in the context of Mathew 23:23 to justfy that jesus approves tithing is not only fraudulent but also a deliberate twisting and 'misrepresentation of jesus analogy to suit 'a pre-conceive concept' that is borne out of greed, and also amount to standing logic on its head, now lets evaluate;

for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: t[i]hese ought ye to have done[/i], and not to leave the other undone.

here is a parallel bible verse
Galatians 5:3
Again I testify to every man who gets himself circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole Law.


its the same as ''ye ough to have circumcise'' withought ''neglecting the whole law''
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The same way if you still tithe you have fallen away from Grace

. So you dont know? okay
let me show you again
HEHREW 7:5 ...Tithe came with commandment to sons of isreal/jacob
5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;
Can you see your ignorance?

lastly, dont dodge these questions because you are scared to death attemting them, i dare you:

(a)Did Abraham receive Tithe'' more than once on biblical record? yes or no OR Show a bible verse proof or just be graciously be Mute!
(b) Are todays pastors following suite by following the Abraham ''one time tithe example'' only recorded? or they are doing outside Oversabi?
(c) The Word: ''priesthood of Melchizedeck, was ever a bibliical concept found in the Bible or '' Not found in the bible'

Its like you have issues understanding and explaining simple english.
Explain a simple sentence, you had to write a mini textbook just to twist the bible.

What did Jesus mean by: "these you should have done and not leave the other undone"
It means: " Do this but don't leave the other undone"
Anybody who has a primary school certificate understands it.

You're not even good at brainwashing or twisting bible verses. You make my job very easy by exposing your own hypocrisy.


a. Did the bible record Abraham's daily activities? so how can I know how how many times he tithed. Thank God you have admitted that he tithed, the number of times he did it throughout his life was not recorded.
b. You do not know how many times Abraham tithed, the bible only recorded one tithe. A word should be enough for the wise so an example should be enough for the sheep but never for the goats.
c. The bible talks about "priesthood after the order of Melchizedech" or "priesthood after the manner of Melchizedech". If that's not enough for tear your bible.

MrPristine:
No we are not clear. First of all the law was annulled and not amended as you are trying to pass off. That aside what we are practising today has no semblance to Abraham's one off voluntary tithes or Jacobs conditional promise to tithe. The tithe our pastors preached today is based on the annulled levitical tithes albeit in a twisted format. That they preach it as mandatory shows that they are preaching the obsolete law tithe and that they preach it as money from income is fraudulently twisting the word of God to extort believers as there is not one single example of monetary tithe from income in the bible despite the fact that people were on record to be receiving monetary income as far back as the book of Genesis in the bible.

Why not go to their church and ask intelligent questions that will expose them ? Or erect a sign post opposite their church with your tithe ?
Someone preaches a false doctrine, you come here to point out that the doctrine is wrong is a typical example of: I slap you, you slap my car tyre and run away.
Tithing can be commodities, tithing can be money. Tithing is between you and God. You shouldn't be forced or blackmailed to pay neither should you wait to be told to pay. You call it annulment, I call it amendment. The summary is that the first commandment concerning priesthood has been changed. Priesthood isn't by the bloodline of Levi but after the manner of Melchizedech

plainbibletruth:
I see! So it's now a matter of "pure logic"

Should human logic or expediency rather than divine instructions guide the way we give or live our Christian life?

See what the Bible says:
Colossians 2:8:
"Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ."

If you wish to leave CHRIST out and go back to live your life under Melchi that is your choice.

Abraham DID NOT tithe money even though money EXISTED in his time. Remember he made some purchases with money?

Jacob DID NOT tithe money.

The Mosaic Law DID NOT specify money EVEN THOUGH MONEY EXISTED then.

So, if you want to use "pure logic" to determine how to do yours go ahead. Like they say: "It's a free world!"

What and what did Abraham and Jacob tithe that makes you conclude that there was no money among them ?

Colossians ch 2vs8
"Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ."

List all that Abraham and Jacob tithed so I can be "exposed "

The bible commands a tithe of all thine increase. It's logic that I who is increased by #10 every month should give #1 while he that is increased every month by 200 fishes should give 20 fishes.
If I decide to buy #1 ugu and give as tithe, I'm justified likewise, if the Mr B decides to sell the 20 fishes and give God the money realised from the sales, he's also justified. It's common sense aka pure logic.
I have said this severally on this thread and you have read it severally. So why are you trying to paint a wrong picture of my opinion ?

What do you gain ? What is your bone of contention ?

Peacefullove:
I know it would come to this, since u have been exposed

Lol. Same here, I knew it would come to this. challenging people's independent actions. You are out of things to stay. You're free to keep reading but till you have an intelligent contribution, you're better off praying for wisdom and the Holy Spirit.

plainbibletruth:
Jesus said they were tithing AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE and even then as show-off.

Do you hardasan tithe agricultural produce today? NO!

Do you EMPHASIZE the weightier matters over and above tithing today? NO!

So, where did you get what you claim to be doing today as TITHING?

CERTAINLY NOT from Jesus.

What is this one saying ?
Am I a farmer ? I earn cash and it's pure logic that I should tithe in cash.
Even if I decide to use my tithe to buy commodities to give to the church, I have tithed.
Abraham gave the tenth part of all after the slaughter of Kings to Melchizedech, Jacob vowed to sacrifice the tenth part of all his increase on an altar as he didn't know of any priest of God. This type of tithing predates the levitical priesthood and since there's a change in the law back to the manner of Melchizedech's priesthood, this form of tithing still stands.

Are you waiting in the shadows, for a good reason to quote me ? Or are you quoting me to know ?

BERNIMOORE:
Nope!!! "If you must practice tithing, do it along with whole part of the law without neglecting anyone.

Oga, interprète the highlighted part of the verse you quoted and stop shifting posts. So tithing is now in the law.
You never hala

@BERNIMOORE You have the whole night to cook up another false doctrine and or call your fellow false prophets for inspiration.
Have a busy night

BERNIMOORE:
LUKE 11:42
Woe to you Pharisees! You pay tithes of mint and rue and every herb, but you disregard justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without neglecting the former.

THIS VERSE LUKE 11:42 alone condemns tithing

NO IT DOESN'T !!!
Please interprète: You should have practiced the latter without neglecting the former

BERNIMOORE:
Oh thank God i am fool for christ, exposing your lies in a documented manner you know what? you cant just turn to emotions Now because you hate the truth, so why are you taking this personal now instead of defending christ?

Thank God you admit that you're a fool. Whose fool will be revealed sooner or later. I'm not taking anything personal. I'm replying you fire for fire

BERNIMOORE:
(POST*A2) DOCUMENTED EXPOSED YOU FLATLY...after searching scriptures from pillar to post you typed this gilberish,
so you cant get a bible vers to support here abi

He has started running helter-skelter.
Oga, show me where the bible condemned tithing.

BERNIMOORE:
herre in mathew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law] judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone

Dear readers, whenever someone quotes a strange doctrine and supports it with a bible verse. Please go and read the whole passage by yourself to get the full story.
What sort of half baked false prophet is this ?
See how he criminally reduced the half of the verse that exposes him

BERNIMOORE:
(POST*A6) ''order of Melchisedec'' NOT SAME AS ''PRIESTHOOD OF MELCHIZEDECK'' the word '' priesthood of melchizedeck was 'a criminally concorted concept out of the greed to steal from brethren, if not can you show us where the word priesthood of melchizedeck was 'ever found in the bible?

Your hypocrisy is so vivid so I don't need to reply.
Show me where tithing is condemned

BERNIMOORE:
herre in mathew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone

Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Jesus said practice this without neglecting the others !!!!

BERNIMOORE:
post(*A2) in italics ....can you see that you admitted that 'well there is no bible verse to show a 10% practiced tithe practiced by the apostles but(you summersaulted after lack of proof)..... ''they must have been setting aside more than'' 10% even when it was'nt mentioned(in the same bible verse or counter bible verse) confirm my claim of your curiosity to 'force down a 'criminally preconceive concept of fraudulent tithe alledgedly practiced(in our own illusive imagination) ''without proof in-anywaywhatsoever'' by the apostles

Just show where the bible condemned tithing.

I could have decided to ignore you. Just you're one fool who takes pride in being ignored. I choose to insult you because you're not here to argue sincerely but to hurl stones to see where you can hit me with your wickedly twisted bible explanations. Thinking you can intimate me with your manner of speach.
You just keep changing posts the moment you can no more twist that particular point.
False prophet, is tithes no longer for the sin of the israélites ?

Show me where it was condemned or get thee behind me thou agent of darkness

BERNIMOORE:
@hardasan
(POST *A5)

[s](a)Did Abraham receive Tithe'' more than once on biblical record? yes or no OR Show a bible verse proof or just be graciously be Mute!
(b) Are todays pastors following suite by following the Abraham ''one time tithe example'' only recorded? or they are doing outside Oversabi?[/s]
(c) The Word: ''priesthood of Melchizedeck, was ever a bibliical concept found in the Bible or '' Not found in the bible' but criminally concorted

Psalm 110 vs 4
King James Bible
The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7 vs 17
King James Bible
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


Show where tithing was condemned

[s]

BERNIMOORE:
That if you must be justified by your opinion of paying tithe, you must also obey the weightier mather of the law, if you must circumcise to gain grace you must also observe other parts of the law

Mathew 23:23
for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

[/s]

Show where Jesus condemned tithing

BERNIMOORE:
(post*A3) So when paul on his right senses did not stipulate a percentage but rather 'states affirmatively'...''set aside some income'' OR ''lay something aside'' was paul suffering from memory loss or what?

◄ 1 Corinthians 16:2 ►NKJV
2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come

NET Bible
On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside some income and save it to the extent that God has blessed you, so that a collection will not have to be made when I come.

By the verse you quoted, they must have been setting aside more than 10%. I don't care what you call it. As long as at least 10% of income / profits is given to God through the church. You're a tither. Like I said before, when people already give even more than 10%, there's no need to preach on tithing.

BERNIMOORE:
(post*A3) So when paul on his right senses did not stipulate a percentage but rather 'states affirmatively'...''set aside some income'' OR ''lay something aside'' was paul suffering from memory loss or what?

◄ 1 Corinthians 16:2 ►NKJV
2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come

NET Bible
On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside some income and save it to the extent that God has blessed you, so that a collection will not have to be made when I come.

By the verse you quoted, they must have been setting aside more than 10%

plainbibletruth:
This is what he wanted response to:


Not what the Apostles did.

Money is not distributed practically like the apostles did. Churches give scholarships, bury members, feed and cater for widows and orphans, support members with extraordinary financial problems etc. Out of 100 churches, 99 do this albeit on different scales.

Peacefullove:
dem dey distribute tithe among everybody ?

if so, why them no dey distribute money in Churches today

Open your own church and distribute whatsoever members give among everyone

BERNIMOORE:
(POST*A4) standing logic on its head!



Jesus did NOT approve the pharisee 'should be paying tithe' but rather 'if they must pay tithe, they must also keep the whole law[/color]
using the analogy here in the context of Mathew 23:23 to justfy that jesus approves tithing is not only fraudulent but also a deliberate twisting and 'misrepresentation of jesus analogy to suit 'a pre-conceive concept' that is borne out of greed, and also amount to standing logic on its head, now lets evaluate;

for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

here is a parallel bible verse
Galatians 5:3
Again I testify to every man who gets himself circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole Law.


its the same as ''ye ough to have circumcise'' withought ''neglecting the whole law''

Your personal interpretation of the scripture without biblical backing is not welcome. Please show where Jesus condemned tithing

Peacefullove:
wetin person no go read for Nairaland ooo

how do you. now know its tithe if they never ask ?

Besides Act 4:35 said everything were distributed among everyone , Na tithe be that ?

I wonder why money is not distributed in Churches today .

I need a response here o

What the apostles decided to do with the tithes and contribution no concern you.

Peacefullove:
Let no man judge you , yet the Law is important

you would have done well to disregard The let no man judge and focus on the commandments nah .

I remember telling you that any law not condemned by the apostles and (or) Jesus is biblical. This law of respecting the sabbath day or any other holy day has been condemned by the apostles.

Peacefullove:
Very good

abeg show me where the apostles ASK FOR 10% first ? @bold

that is when you can only make sense

am waiting

The apostles didn't need to ask because it was already being practiced under Judaism. The new converts simply diverted the tithes and went the extra length by giving all

Peacefullove:
According to the law, Only the Levite's priest should receive tithe . Now tell me if your pastor's are sons of Levi ?

and about Melchizedek, are u telling me he collects tithe on regular basis from Abraham ? seems your pastors don't know where they belong

That is what the change of the law in Hebrew 7 was talking about.

Peacefullove:
The underlined is so funny,

Paul vs Hardassan .

Miss, Your bible said Christians are not under a schoolmaster

am glad you are also disobeying one of the vital commandments of the Law , Una dey keep Sabbath ?

Jesus vs peacefullove
Ask Jesus why the Holy Spirit came on the first day of the week and not on the holy sabbath day.
Secondly the bible says: Let no man judge you in respect of an holy day

Peacefullove:
Are you any of the Blue ?

Jesus clearly respect the arrangement to Mosaic law arrangement to tithe and sustain the Levite's that work in the temple . He called it teachings of the Law.

But today Christians are not bind by that law . Sorry maa'm

infact let me ask sef , are your pastors Sons of Aaron ?

Was Melchizedech that received tithes a son of Abraham ?

Sooooo only the teachers of the law and Pharisees should pay tithe
I hope for your sake you're joking.

Peacefullove:
Stop lying 100% is not tithe , its voluntary donation.

nowhere is it written that apostles collect 10% or tithe .

Keep exposing your insincerity / low IQ.
John, pay me 10 naira, John gave me 100 naira. So because he didn't bring out the 10 naira first, he's still owing me

MuttleyLaff:
I liked this post for your seemingly composed response and the matured mind sensible explanation in it

You dont have to give a direct answer if you dont want to,
as optionally giving an affirmative Yes anwer or negative No anwer would suffice
Even if you choose to go for "No comment", I'll respect and understand.

So, out of curiosity, do you regularly, as a matter of choice, fellowship with any of the following "big players" at all:
RCCG, KICC, Living Faith Church Worldwide, also known as Winners' Chapel, Daystar Christian Centre, Household of God Church, Christ Embassy,
House on the Rock, The Latter Rain Assembly, The Synagogue Church Of All Nations (SCOAN), David Ibiyeomie's Salvation Ministries,
Mountain of Fire and Miracles, The Redeemed Evangelical Mission, Deeper Christian Life Ministry, CAC, Omega Fire Ministry, CCC, C&S
Poju Oyemade's Covenant Christian Centre, The Lord's Chosen Charismatic Revival Movement, COZA, Joshua Iginla's Champions Royal Assembly,

No

MuttleyLaff:
Different people pick, choose, decide or stick to follow and adhere to a particular choice of tithing
Petra1, claims he follows and adheres to the Abraham type of tithing
and I've noticed from your posted comments and scripture references, that you follow and adhere to the Levitical sort of tithing
hence my reason, here, in mentioning the Levitical tithing

Now, there apparently are some things of better value and more important than performing or carrying out the Levitical tithing duty

Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 say justice, mercy, fairness, faithfulness (i.e. unfailingly remaining loyal to God) and life full of the love of God
have better value and more important than the Levitical tithing

As matter of fact, in Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42, according to Jesus, the Levitical tithing duty comes secondary to any of those virtues
If one wants to be righteous and be doing what is right
then one needs to avoid what is morally wrong, like performing a Levitical tithing duty, at the expense of any of those virtues

Example:
Someone is terribly ill, on the brink of dying at the hospital
and if not given immediate medical attention, will soon kick the bucket
We have a saving grace and only hope,
but also a confusing and difficult problem
The only person who can help out with the urgent hospital charge, has a dilemma
The dilemma is that, the only money he has left to his name is a tithe money
This is really a pseudo dilemma
because except one is a modern day Pharisee, living amongst us, in the 21st century, it is a no-brainer, what is the right thing to do

If a similar situation happens the next time, next after the next, and for a short or indefinitely time repeating itself
then, doing the right thing always WILL take precedence over performing a Levitical tithing duty
Do you accept and agree with the preceded example, by way of its illustration, hardasan?

You have your "soft-work" cut out for you.
Good fortune.

@ the first highlighted post.
80% correct. Tithing is a lesser law than righteousness. Tithing should not take the place of righteousness in any way. But then, who says you can't be righteous and still tithe ? You don't have to pick one. As long as they are all biblical, practice them.

Someone at the point of death has to fight for his life first. Only the living can pay tithe. In my own church, I can even call my pastor and tell him that I have spent all my money including my tithe and it's not enough and he'll direct the church committee to look into raising funds for me.
The church should count you a christian whether you tithe or not. Tithing is between you and God. With or without tithes, God will provide for his servants.

Let me use myself as an example.
I paid my first tithe at the age of 13. So from then till now, Have I spent my tithe ? Severally. Some with a reason and some on shopping. But I have cleared all. During that time, nobody came to remind me that I haven't paid my tithe. It was between me and God. I've even lent someone my tithe money and the person hasn't paid me back. I still replaced it. It hasn't stopped me from obeying other parts of the bible. Nor does it make me like the pharisees.