₦airaland Forum

BERNIMOORE:
(italics are mine)

Returning 90% HIS PROFIT (goods; increase / spoils of victory ) after the tithe10% IS THAT THE WAY MELCHIZEDECK PRIESTHOOD you claim DIRECTS CHRISTIANS TODAY TO TITHE? that is after tithe, No profit, All christians must be ready to volunteer 90% of his Profit after paying tithe since (Abraham/Melchi) occurence sets a preceedence?

Remember that an occurence setting-up a preceedence has to be wholy applied and not partly applied
That Is;
you claim here that we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek/Abraham situation


[color=#000099]


Then we are not supposed to have PROFIT TALKLESS OF BEIGN RICH AS A TITHER UNDER THE MELCHIZEDECK PRIESTHOOD Of which Abraham sets the recorded preceedence. simple.....principle fully applied!
How about that

What Abraham did with his half of what they recovered is nobody's business.
I earn 10,000ngn from a business with a business partner, my co biz owner is not a christian and doesn't believe in tithes, I pay tithe of 1,000ngn on the whole 10,000ngn, my partner comes and shares profits with me, he takes 5,000ngn cus he no send me message, I take 3,000ngn. I changed my mind and gave my partner 2,500ngn and kept 500ngn only as my tfare back home.

Did I pay tithe ? Yes
Is all the 10,000ngn mine? No,
Do I have a right to pay tithe from the money, Yes.
Is it true that since I returned my share of the profits to my partner, I paid tithe on money that isn't mine ? No, no, no

I hope you understand the drama now

paxonel:
.....I'm coming for you, wait.
I'm in the office,... Just wait for me till 6:pm when I'm less busy at home

Lol
Okay o

BERNIMOORE:
.you are Unable to establish how profit was derived from the possessions recovered, tithe cannot be paid from 10% of possessions but rather 10% OF PROFIT

You just stubbornly refused to understand anything outside your opinion.
His army and wining the war is his capital that entitles him to increase / spoils of victory. Having won the war, he recovered all the goods from the defeated enemies. That is his profit. Him returning them after the tithe was voluntary just as giving tithe from them was voluntary.

Peacefullove:
Clearly, its not neccesary today too

Apostles did. not collect tithes , Church is not feeding them. if that was the case Paul would not say he work with his hands as Tent maker .

Yet it was apostle Paul who said :

1 Corinthians 9:13-14

Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

BERNIMOORE:
hardasan I am waiting for your replies to the bolded below

His army and wining the war is his capital that entitles him to increase / spoils of victory.

MrPristine:
I don't need to read the whole thread cause I have done extensive studies on tithes, written several articles on it, studied all the over forty verses in the bible that tithes is mentioned and I have been debating this tithe issue for over fifteen years so there is absolutely nothing about biblical tithes that I don't know. I can tell you with all confidence that tithes is not applicable to Christians except you want to twist scriptures and misapply it to Christians.

The bible never condemned tithing in the NT nor OT. The law has changed, yet the law of tithing wasn’t condemned. The parts that needs to be changed have been changed, the parts not condemned still stands.

BERNIMOORE:
Was it an "increase" a basis that constitutes tithe as commanded, you admitted that tithe is on increase
tell us how the Abrams tithe "recorded" still fits into what you admitted above. Limit your comments to Abraham's only for clarity That is "tenth part of increase" What is Abraham Capital, what constitutes his profit of which 10% was removed and given as a tithe? Remember that tithe is NOT 10% of capital but rather 10% of profit

Tithes is on increase / profits.
I will not stick to only Abraham's story because that story isn't the perfect example. The major thing I highlighted there is that priests outside the tribe of Levi have lawfully received tithes. Abraham voluntarily gave tithes of all as an appreciation to God for granting him a huge victory. He recovered all that was taken from the Sodomites and gave a tenth part to God out of gratitude. He later returned the remaining 90% to the king of Sodom and took only what the men ate during the journey and war. He could have decided to take part of it. But he didn't. It doesn't mean that he didn't have a right over them.
Now Jacob didn't go to war but wanted God's blessing and voluntarily vowed to give a tenth part of whatsoever God gives him. God saw his sincere heart and blessed him. That's the perfect tithe that is sacred to God in the later days of the israélites.

MrPristine:
There is not one single instructions or example of Christians paying tithes in the whole bible and biblical tithes was not money but agricultural. The monetary tithe doctrine started in America in 1895 and it was invented by American evangelicals. It has absolutely nothing to do with true Christianity.

Means that you haven't read the whole thread, please go and read through. All these have been talked about with biblical verses.

savagefinder:
truth is that until freeze showed us this Bible verse, most of us, including myself didn't know. So the thing is, this a new discovery which questions all what we have been fed by our Pastors, this type of tithe is the only type of tithe in the Bible, so should we continue to tithe in this manner given that it is how the Bible has stated it? Or let us leave tithing for the fact that we are under grace..

By the way, the 4 months salary ish is what you can save up for 3 years (1 months from each year plus 2 from the 3rd year) and no.. Only you and your pastor cannot finish it but like the Bible says, it's meant for both the fatherless, motherless, strangers, widows and you all can finish it.
(our Pastors told us not to use our tithe for alms)

I gave those examples cus that's the verse non tithers use to attack tithes.
As Petra1 explained earlier,


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

MrPristine:
Same way paying tithes is not applicable to Christians biblically speaking.

Why

MrPristine:
But what was pooled together was shared equally amongst the church members. If you are going to use that as an example, then pastors must share the tithe they collect equally with the congregation.

If you give 100% to the church, no wahala,
If not, that doesn't apply to you

Peacefullove:
Buhahaha so money finished for many years even till when apostle Paul was converted and yet no money to tithe still ?

What an excuse , Better not to give an excuse than to give a bad one

Why not admit such practice of tithing was non existing among them ?

Maybe you don't understand my previous post. The early church pooled all that they had together in the days of the apostles. So tithing is not necessary. God commanded the lévites to take the tithes as a reward for their labour in the tabernacle. When all the money is pooled together, thee apostles are automatically being fed by the church and so the aim of tithes is achieved.

Gggg102:
but nobody instructed them to pay
they made a personal decision.

Abraham and Jacob gave tithe voluntarily.
The israélites didn't give any tithe till God commanded tithing. Still, the lévites didn't force them to tithe.

I have said before and I say again, tithing is between you and God. No one should force you to tithe and you don't need to be told to tithe.

Peacefullove:
Why didn't Jesus apostles collect tithes ?

answer .

Acts 2 vs 44 - 47

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Acts ch 4 vs 35

And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


The early church gave the apostles all. So which money again could they have given ad tithe ?

BERNIMOORE:
YOU ADMITTED THAT TITHE IS FROM INCREASE

[s]
[color=#000099]Now Yet you summersaulted justifying Christians paying 10% of goods and money they do not own Abraham pick 10% of his nephew;Lot possesion and 10% of king of soddom possetion recovered and gave melchi, and return the rest,(2)DO CHRISTIANS TITHE THIS WAY?
Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has been robbed and recover the stolen goods. For example, if bag filled with money was stolen, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to[/s]

(1)Good, Can a 'sin offering' be done with 'Offering derived from the tithe belonging to the levi priests?
(2)DO CHRISTIANS TITHE THE ABRAHAM WAY?

PLS ANSWER 1,2 ABOVE AFFIRMATIVELY HONEST

1. A sin offering is a sin offering. A heave offering is a heave offering. So a sin offering can't be done from the tithe of the lévites. Unless the levite of his own good and free will uses his own share of the tithes to offer a sin offering. If he doesn't want to, he has done no sin

2. Firstly, Abraham didn't give tithe on behalf of anyone else but himself. I said that because at the time when Abraham gave the tithe, he owned the goods. Then when he returned the goods and people, he was still rightfully entitled to some.

Still in reference to question 2. That was not the only time Abraham gave / paid tithe. In Genesis 28 vs 22. Jacob vowed to sacrifice all his tithe to God in exchange for peace. Jacob is the grand son of Abraham and obviously followed the steps of his fathers. The bible didn't mention everything Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did except few stories. So you can't say because of the items he returned from the war, he didn't pay any other tithe.

BERNIMOORE:
(1) Can a 'sin offering' be done with 'Offering derived from the tithe belonging to the levi priests?


PLS ANSWER 1,2 ABOVE AFFIRMATIVELY HONEST

No, sin offering is different from heave offering

BERNIMOORE:
Did God command that offering should be made from tithe? yes or No
i want objective readers to learn here now that you are fighting the scriptures
question 1, Did God command that offering should be made from tithe? yes or No

Numbers 18:24
question 2, Was the tithe of the sons of isreal not ''said to be an offering''?


Be honest to answer 1 and 2 above

Lol.
Every objective reader can see that you are the one twisting the scriptures and putting your own interpretation.

To your question, Yes. An offering is commanded by God from the tithes.

Now see the full passage that you shortened to support your misinterpretation of the bible :
Numbers 18 verse 25 - 31

[b]25 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a tenth part of the tithe.

27 And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress.

28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

29 Out of all your gifts ye shall offer every heave offering of the Lord, of all the best thereof, even the hallowed part thereof out of it.

30 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, When ye have heaved the best thereof from it, then it shall be counted unto the Levites as the increase of the threshingfloor, and as the increase of the winepress.

31 And ye shall eat it in every place, ye and your households: for it is your reward for your service in the tabernacle of the congregation.[/b]

The bible said in verse 26, that they should offer the tenth part of the tithe they receive.
The bible called it a heave offering unto the Lord and not a burnt offering for sins.
In verse 27, the bible says that the tenth part of the tithe that they received which is the heave offering will count as their own corn and wine which they should have paid.
Verse 31 says that the priests and their household should eat it as the reward for their service in the tabernacle.
Finally, verse 32 says that they will bear no sin by reason of it.

Please come and show us where offering for sin was mentioned. Don't avoid this one like you did when I showed you that Melchizedek who wasn't a levite received tithes.
I'm waiting.

BERNIMOORE:
Numbers 18:25
25Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 26"Moreover, you shall speak to the Levites and say to them, 'When you take from the sons of Israel the tithe which I have given you from them for your inheritance then you shall present an offering from it to the LORD, a tithe of the tithe. Now does offering not atonement for sin?

Tithe of tithes is a commandment of God to priests / pastors. It's not the same with offerings for the atonement of sins. That's why pastor's will tell you boldly that they pay their tithes but instead of burnt sacrifices, they can use it to share gifts in the church, build the church or pay to their spiritual fathers.

Author = BERNIMOORE
other huge evidence that fruits animals were mainly used for tithe, no evidence that money was ever used.

Lol you're tying yourself with your own words.
You admitted that the bible says that without the shedding of blood, there shall be no remission of sins.
Now you claim that tithes are for the remission of sins.
Now you are admitting that the Jews tithed with fruits and animals. Why will the jews tithe with fruits for their sins ?

I'll answer it :
Because tithes are the tenth part of your increase / profits.
Why should it be the tenth part of your increase /profits?
Because it is a convenant commanded by God which opens doors of blessings upon your land / business / source of income.

BERNIMOORE:
you are hard pressed seaching everywhere for evidence 'where currency or money was used to pay tithe but Nowhere. Now you switch to using a fictitious parable made up by jesus and you ended up being a loser because the man that said ''i tithe all that i gain''(luke 18:12) was actually condemned by jesus, moreover the story was not a true life story,

Definition of parable

specifically :a usually short fictitious(Fictitious means made up, or imaginaryhttps://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fictitious) story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle
[size=6pt] 9 Also He spoke this parable[/b] to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one [b]a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other



can you see that all your evidencies to support tithe cannot be sustained because i with expose them

All you could come up with is to say that the story never happened.
Well : Luke ch 18 vs 9
And he spake a parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous
He used that parable to describe what was actually happening among the self righteous pharisees.

Matthew 23 vs 23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The pharisees/jews actually pay tithe of things outside animals and feel that they are justified because of it and don't need love, mercy, faith etc. Jesus rebuked them for it.

Even if what you claim is true, Why will Jesus give a parable of things that don't ever happen? Could he be hinting that he wants us to pay tithes of all ?

Now, it's time for you to show where the bible expressly said bring your tithe and I will forgive your sins.

BERNIMOORE:
Apply the variables Above to Genesis 14 and get the detailed gist. lets go;

Genesis 14:8-12 The kings of Sodom and Gomorrah (Plus their allies)**(W).... fought a battle against king Chedorlaomer king of Elam (plus his allies)*(X). Chedorlaomer king of Elam and his allies **(X) won the battle and took all the food supply and other goods (spoils)from Sodom. plus Abram's nephew (Lot), and his possessions **(Y) and departed, for lot **(Y) was living in Sodom.

Genesis 14:9-17 The incident was reported to Abram **(Z) and he took 318 of his trained servants and defeated Chedorlaomer king of Elam **(X). Then Abram**(Z) recovered back all the goods, and also brought back his relative Lot **(Y) with his possessions, and also the women, and the people.



Genesis 14:18-20 After his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer, Abram was met by Melchizedek king of Salem**(Z1) and a Canaanite priest of God Most High, refreshing them with bread and wine and he blessed Abram **(Z). The blessing was given to Abram**(Z),

A very important fact to remember. In response, Abram gave ONE-TENTH (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek. Abram did NOT tithe from his own possessions, YOU ADMITTED THAT TITHE IS FROM INCREASE

Now are you justifying Christians paying 10% of goods and money they do not own?
Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has been robbed and recover the stolen goods. For example, if bag filled with money was stolen, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to the church.
This is ridiculous absurd example and it ought to be ample proof for rejecting this false doctrine of church tithing.

Genesis 14:21-24 The king of Sodom who was rescued with his possesion by Abram offered to give Abram all the goods of Sodom that were recovered, but Abram refused, taking not one single item, to give honor to God, lest people say this pagan king of Sodom made him rich

OF ALL WHAT? 1/10 of Lot’s POSSESION THAT WAS recovered (NOT INCREASE)and 1/10 of king of Sodom POSSESION THAT WAS recovered, After giving back possesions to 'the captured Lot and King of Sodom He did not even take anything for Himself!
Abraham did NOT[b] give his [/b]Tithe!, But rather Abraham 'gave a tenth' On behalf of his RESCUED nephew ''Lot'' and ''king of sodom''[/b] to the priest AND king Melchizedek.

This is the most ribcracking comment borne-out of curiosity to justify stealing by pastors(i cant help but laughing hard) anyway if pastors represent priest melchizedeck, then they should only be limited to the payment of stolen monies recovered! only if (melchizedeck abraham situation is to be followed as precedence) so how do you see that? paying 10% of goods and money they do not own! Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner or the Authority and it will be very wrong to tithe from stolen goods! That is what Abraham did, and return possesions to the owners after he'd gave 1/10th to the Authority the king Melchizedech

Are we clear Now that Abraham DID not tithe his possesion as you claim?
The problem we have in this country is the laziness to read and confirm things we believe, but rather people swallow pastors heresies wholesale and they will choose to be adamant with it.

Genesis ch 28 vs 20 - 22

And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God:

22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Here Jacob vowed to pay tithe of all God will bless him with if God gives him peace.

Then in the instance of Abraham :
Genesis 14 vs 16 - 18

14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.

15 And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.

16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.


Genesis 14 vs 20
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand.
And he gave him tithes of all.

Abraham paid tithes of what he brought back. Simple.

BERNIMOORE:
Again why God demands Animals and produce for Tithe.
The reason animals and grain were brought into the temple, were as an offering for sin.
Israel as a nation, quite obviously, did not have the blood of Jesus Christ! We as Christians know that jesus sacrificial death is our sin offering. Yet, most Christians are told to make "offerings" to their church.

What we seem oblivious to is that the purpose of tithe was that it was a sin offering, in the time before Christ went to the cross and made the final, "better" sin offering.

Heb 10:18
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Hebrews 7:27
''who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did ONCE for all when He offered up Himself''.

finally it was after jesus death that Tithing relevance ceased because tithing mainly of foods and animals for sin offering was done once for us by christ when he offer himself uf as our sacrifice on a turture stake jesus did not neccesarily tell pharisees in Mathew 23 23 to discontinue but rather he knew that his death AUTHOMATCALLY ends tithing.

Thank God you admitted that Jesus didn't condemn tithes. Thank God you admit that Jesus died for our sin, not for our tithes.


Tithe wasn't paid for remission of sins.
Burnt offerings ended with the death of Jesus on the cross.

Heb ch 9 vs 22

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

This means that the Jews didn't tithe for their sins, they offered animal sacrifices.

Malachi ch 3 vs 11 says:
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sake; and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground

God didn't say pay your tithe and I will forgive your sins, but he will rebuke the devourer from your land.

BERNIMOORE:
My next comment is to explain why God demands Animals and produce for Tithe
The reason animals and grain were brought into the temple, were as an offering for sin.
Israel as a nation, quite obviously, did not have the blood of Jesus Christ! We as Christians know that jesus sacrificial death is our sin offering. Yet, most Christians are told to make "offerings" to their church.

What we seem oblivious to is that the purpose of tithe was that it was a sin offering, in the time before Christ went to the cross and made the final, "better" sin offering.

We seem oblivious to the fact that the new covenant clearly tells us not to make sin offerings...

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

and that the priesthood is changed....

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Then the bible talks about tithe, it mentioned tithes. When the bible talks about offering, it mentioned it.
I can remember peace offerings, and burnt offerings being used severally. The Jews offer burnt offerings randomly for eg when they want to ask for something, thank God or for their sins but they still pay their tithes.

The law has been changed or amended by Jesus and his disciples, anything else that they didn't condemn is lawful and biblical.

BERNIMOORE:
Obviously leviticus 27:31 you quoted did not mention money! Malachi 3:10 did NOT MENTION MONEY too! pls read;
Bring you all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in my house


Money was NEVER GIVEN as a tithe, no one gave money as a tithe in the OT can you mention anyone or any instance that money was used for tithe in the OT? PLS ANSWER THAT

Food and grains wasn't the only tithe paid ;
Here is proof :

Gen ch 14 verse 18-20

Ces la même chose mon chéri monsieur
Tithe is the tenth part of your increase which is also profit. It can be currency or corn and wine.
Levites had no land inheritance means that their tribe didn't get land as they are the priests so that they can dwell among the other tribes and carry out their priestly duties from a close range.

Tithes paid to the priests weren't only for their upkeep. See the following verses:
Gen 14 vs 18 -20

18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.


Here, Abraham was returning from the slaughter of Kings and he met the priest and paid tithes of all he got from the "kings" he defeated. He didn't eat it and invite the priest. Do you know how much he must have paid in Gold alone ? Talkless of chariots, expensive raiment, silver etc.
The bible expressly said that he gave the tithes of all.
Now do you know that Melchizedek wasn't a levite ? Cus Levi was a descendant of Abraham yet Abraham gave him his tithe. So likewise, Pastors represent Priests and should receive the tithes whether they are Levites or not.

I will not reply mentions that are arguing about Jesus indirectly. I avoid such arguments because it's easy to blaspheme in such arguments. If you are ready to talk on priests and pastors and only quote what Jesus said, I'm happy to debate

[quote author=BERNIMOORE
post=62232967]you ran away from your thread and still got bashed here, pay tithe bring tithe ....greedy man pls go and work and stop soliciting for free money.[/quote]Lol, I refused to reply your mentions anymore there cus you are arguing about Jesus indirectly. I avoid such arguments because it's easy to blaspheme in such arguments. If you are ready to talk on priests and pastors and only quote what Jesus said, I'm happy to debate

ScepticalPyrrho:
The bolded part got me....
You keep using the word "pay" tithe.
When the Bible says, "bring".

Can you see the difference?
They didn't pay tithes in the Bible stories, they brought tithe(food) to the levite, and ate with them.

"Bring ye the tithes"! But now it's... Pay your tithes!

No wahala, bring your tithes

ScepticalPyrrho:
There were silvers and golds as at the time, according to the Bible stories.
Why didn't God state "gold and silver" as tithe?

It was also mentioned that the levites had no inheritance. Your pastors do not take tithe for the food, or feeding the poor.
Stop defending the greedy men.

Ces la même chose mon chéri monsieur
Tithe is the tenth part of your increase which is also profit. It can be currency or corn and wine.
Levites had no land inheritance means that their tribe didn't get land as they are the priests so that they can dwell among the other tribes and carry out their priestly duties from a close range.

Tithes paid to the priests weren't only for their upkeep. See the following verses:
Gen 14 vs 18 -20

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Here, Abraham was returning from the slaughter of Kings and he met the priest and paid tithes of all he got from the kings he defeated. He didn't eat it and invite the priest. Do you know how much he must have paid in Gold alone ?
Now do you know that Melchizedek wasn't a levite ? Cus Levi was a descendant of Abraham. So likewise, Pastors represent Priests and should receive the tithes.

A part of me sef would want people to stop paying tithe so that all these false men of God will loose interest in the business and look for a job but I can't support a false doctrine.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Bumidavis, akintom, petra1, hardasan, Osezua



Going by the above quote, tithes isn't money or cash.

The Bible-era used silver and gold as money. The above quoted verse instructed the jews to exchange tithes for silver(money). This means tithes isn't money!

Tithes was food!!






Tithes is food, not just for Levites....



Then this... Pastors' favourite verse.



But what do we have? Some people taking advantage of the poor.

Israélites were farmers / shepherds so they can bring increase of their land or flock. Do you have a farm or livestock ? If not, your tithe is your cash increase.

At the end, there's nothing wrong with buying "whatsoever your soul desires " and bring it to the church. But if the church expressly prohibits alcohol, you have to respect their wishes and buy what isn't prohibited or switch to a church that doesn't prohibit alcohol.

saintmark88:
Very sorry if u feel insulted.....not my intension. We r all christains we need not fight one another.... Shalom

No wahala

saintmark88:
Why should pastors work be full time, Paul had a job, was a tent maker.....

Lol.
That was Apostle Paul's personal decision just as he decided to be celibate on his own. Most of the Apostles were full time ministers.

BERNIMOORE:
can you see your mis-interpretation? lets see a parallel bible verse that says the same thing to the nation of isrealite yet 'not all are priest'

Exodus 19:6
and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel."

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood

can you first reverse your erroneous assertion that 'every christians are priest?


pastors receive tithes because they represent the lévites

of Judaism so if pastors represent levites priest and their chief priest is (jesus) is represents tribe of judah a tribe from which no man has officiated at the altar and not a priesthood tribe is that not confusing?

You were once a christian. I'm not here to argue Jesus. Neither will I reply your mentions anymore.
Kind regards.