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MrPristine:
If you read that passage in context you will realize that it was the commandment to tithe in verse 5 that was annulled in verse 18. It's very clear except you choose to ignore it and even if you want to argue that it was the whole law being talked about in verse 18, tithing was still part of the law and it was specifically mentioned in verse five.

It's the same thing I am saying.
By law, only the levitical priests receive tithes, but now a priest after the manner of Melchizedech will receive tithes. The first law wasnt perfect, now that law has changed.
Heb ch 7vs 5
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Why should there be a change of the law ? Because by law, only the lévites can receive tithes. For Melchizedech or Jesus to lawfully receive tithes, the levitical law must change


13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


Read verse 8 again:
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Here the bible explains that the levitical priesthood isn't perfect so there ariseth another priest after the manner of Melchizedech the priest that predates the levitical priesthood. The law brought about the levitical priesthood. Now, to switch back to the manner of Melchizedech's priesthood, the law that brought about the levitical priesthood must be changed. So instead of dying men receiving tithes, eternal priests will receive the tithes so therefore, the law is changed. that's why only the pre levitical tithing is being practiced. The tithe of feasts, the once in 3yrs tithes for the widows and orphans are stopped. Only the type Abraham and Jacob gave stands because it is from the Melchizedech era.

Are we clear now ?

Peacefullove:
Stop this nonsense, its irritating .. is tithe 100% ? or what Re u saying?

Who told you they collect 100% ? just one instance of pulling their resource's together = they collect 100% ? and who told you it's all the disciple's that contribute ? what happen to those who doesn't have land or houses to sell those ones also give 100% right ?

your theology is laughable .

this even raises more questions

If what they collected represent tithe, Would that not constitute 419 on their part, since they collect 100% whereas Law stipulates just 10% ? 10/100

- does the fact that someone give 100% means the person won't pay the stipulated 10% anymore ?

- Where did the scripture says what the apostle's collected was tithes ?

Is a 100% collection still TITHE ?

Yes it does. Those that don't have, no wahala. What's wrong with take 10% and keep the change.

After giving 100%, what else do they have to tithe on ?
You, 100 % you no give, 10% you no give. Yet you're comparing yourself with those who give 100 %. SMH.

Peacefullove:
Show me where Christ commands his disciples to pay Tithe ?

if such commands exist, show me where his disciple's are seen obeying it ?

Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

MrPristine:
It's quite dishonest to claim the disciples collected 100% when in reality what was collected was immediately re-shared amongst the contributors according to their needs. The collection wasn't meant for the sole use of the disciples like you erroneously tried to imply. And I have also shown you were tithing was condemned in Hebrew 7:18.

Highlight where I implied that the Apostles solely took the 100%.
The money was re shared immediately, will the initial contributor receive up to 50% back ? Weren't the Apostles also beneficiaries of the sharing ? Weren't they being catered for through that means ?
Where do you think the money for the mission trips across the world came from ? Who sustained the Apostles even while they were away on those trips ?


Hebrews 7:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

So how does this mean don't pay tithe ? This chapter 7 of Hebrews was talking about the switch from the levitical priesthood back to that of Melchizedech with Jesus this time instead of Melchizedech.

Peacefullove:
I don't just know if you are trying to fight with Paul or your Bible, It clearly said the Law is a schoolmaster and CHRISTIANS are not under that Schoolmaster ( Law ) anymore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Incest contradicts Hebrew 13:4 which says let marriage be held in honour among ALL

" All " refer to people , Many people have a conscience which makes them know incest is clearly wrong . and such will be stumbled if a Christian engage in such marriage

secondly, Such marriage won't be given due honor since their are local laws guiding marriages from State to State and many of them condemn incest marriages , now if a person proceed with this such he or she has destroyed the honor the marriage should have among all.

thirdly, I need not mention the disease associated with such marriage which makes it frowned upon even by those who don't know the Bible . A Christian according to the bible will do well not to stumble others or destroy the honor due to marriage

again YoUR BIBLE Spell it out , Christians are not under the Law ... Sabbath is part of the ten commandments, many So called church goers will still open shop or go to office on Sunday, Yet its not seen as sin, what does that tells you ? they ain't under that law

You are fighting with the bible and speaking against the words of Jesus. You are also a post shifter!!! Once one bible verse is given, you immediately twist to another point.

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.




Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true.
18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.

As long as you can't tear out Matthew 5 vs 18 from the bible, you are under a schoolmaster with a very long cane whether you like it or not.
And, as long as Mathew 5 vs 20 (Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven)
was spoken by The Lord Jesus himself, you must be very very careful with what you preach even when the bible is being quoted, blindly insisting and arguing God's word. Jesus who you are referencing said the law will remain till heaven and earth passes away. To any sincere Christian, God's word is yeah and Amen. But you. Keep showing us what you are.

Peacefullove:
Sabbath was mentioned in the NT doesn't mean it should be practiced .

cleaning for people who are once living with leprosy was also mentioned,doesn't mean today a person who got healed from it must also see the priest .

so the issue is not getting mentioned, that is called reference.

the main issue is where tithing was PRACTICED, Apostles writing letters to church to make sure they paid their tithes since its an eternal principle

abeg , show me .

The apostles wrote letters to address disputes and controversies. Secondly, not all the preaching were written in letters.
I have said it before and I repeat, the early church gave 100 % so why will the apostles write about tithing ?

Did the Apostles write against incest or against beast and human relationship ? Does it make it right ? No.
The early church gave 100 % so their tithes is covered. Show me where tithing was condemned.

plainbibletruth:
Hardasan, When you use the word BUT what does it suggest?




Hardasan, what are mint, dill and cummin?

But suggests that there is a clause or catch.
Mint, dill and cummin are spices which were easily grown in the backyard or in a flower pot. It's just like growing tomatoes in your backyard garden and paying tithe on the fruits. So the pharisees tithed till they even gave tithe of their food spices yet Christ condemned them for basing more on things that they can brag about or do publicly so people will call them righteous people while they neglect or reject forgiveness and the other laws of righteousness.
Eg a pharisee can't forgive a stranger nor can he let an unholy jew touch him/her talkess of eating with the enholy jew. They called those who aren't over self righteous publicans and sinners and feel God hears only their prayers cus they are holy while the others are not.

Peacefullove:
Read your bible

Galatians 3:24-25 King James Version (KJV)

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.



Those pharisees are still under the law, now from the above are Christians Still under the law ?

una still dey keep Sabbath don't forget it's part of the ten commandments

Yes, we are no longer under a schoolmaster but under Christ.
Hear the words of Christ :

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Here's another bible version :


Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true.
18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.[a]
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.


Christ substituted the death penalty of the law with forgiveness. Christ removed all this that defile like unclean food, menstruation, leprosy, deformity, touching the dead or unclean etc. These don't defile. These are summarized as grace. But the law still stands.

Peacefullove:
Christians clearly condemn homosexuality among themselves . I can't stop laughing at the ridiculous assumptions just to fight for something not practiced by those who started Christianity .

show me where apostles collect tithe Mr ?

I have shown where the apostles collected 100% not just 10%. The apostles never condemned tithing either.

Peacefullove:
Very poor logic Bro. sex between people who are not married to each other is called sexual immorality, that encompasses all form of sexual relation that is illegal, Mr pastor , M urprised u failed that simple test , now tell me if sexual immorality is not commanded in your bible for Christians ?

there was even an issue of a man sleeping with his Father's wife , Still categorized as sexual immorality in your Bible . No silent here please unless you don't know your Bible.



am surprised you could come out of hiding saying Tithe is a silent area of the Bible meaning you admit it wasnt practised among them ... kingdom principle indeed

Show me where apostles collect tithe Mr ?

We are talking about the laws which were mentioned in the NT. You said that tithing should have been mentioned in the NT if it was important.
What about lesbianism, transgenders, incest, nudism etc. Are they not all some kind of love howbeit a perverted type. Did the NT condemn any of these ? Or since the NT didn't condemn them, are they okay?
Now, tithing was mentioned secondarily sef in the NT so what are we arguing about ?

gabe:
How convenient! Christ came to fulfil the law and so didn't condemn tithes, but he also didn't condemn circumcision and keeping the sabbath. In fact, there is no record Christ paid tithes in he bible, but he was circumcised and he most certainly observed the sabbath in its true form. You are very happy to obey the law of tithes, but don't bother about circumcision and keeping the sabbath which are covenants between God and his people. You can't just pick and choose what laws to obey just because Christ is 'the new high priest'. He brought a new covenant, which also covers giving. Paying of tithes is giving under the law, it was compulsory. The new law of giving entails giving out of love, not compulsion as Paul specifies in 2 Corinthians 9:7-8. This argument of tithes have sprung up because some pastors threaten their flock with disaster if they don't pay their tithes. People who don't pay are humiliated, scaring others into doing so. There is nothing christian about that.

Which Christian doesn't circumcise their son after 8 days
We worship on Sunday because Christ rose up on Sunday and the day of pentecost and baptism of the Holy Spirit came on Sunday. They are no coincidence.

I have said clearly :
Paying of tithes is biblical, yet Christians must not be forced, cursed or blackmailed to pay. All the Pastor should do is preach with scriptures and pray for the grace to obey. As Christians, we don't need to be reminded to pay tithes.

plainbibletruth:
Jesus Christ summarized the Law, didn't he? Did the Apostles run by that summary of the Law? Is that summary not sufficient for ANY Christian to live by?


You are yet to define or explain to us what these "kingdom principles" really are.
Christ fulfilled the Law mean Christ fulfilled the Law! Period.
The book of Hebrews is CLEAR that EVERYTHING before Christ has been done away with!
What the Christian needs to understand today is what his life IN CHRIST entails!

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Here's another bible version :


Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

Teaching about the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true. 18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.[a]
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.

Guess what ?
Jesus himself said that

plainbibletruth:
Any scriptural basis for this?


Christians are asked to walk in LOVE When they do this will these issues not be addressed?

What about lesbianism, transgenders, incest, nudism etc. Are they not all some kind of love howbeit a perverted type. Or since the NT didn't condemn them, are they okay ?

Peacefullove:
such omission just proved tithing was not among the tradition's handed down by the apostles . Fine and clear




Show me where Christian's are commanded to PAY TITHE ?

Like you are not aware Christian's are no more under the law of Moses, are they?

If you say christians aren't under the law of Moses, you are saying that the 10 commandements does not apply to christains anymore.

Matthew 23:23King James Version (KJV)
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23International Children’s Bible (ICB)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the law and Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give to God one-tenth of everything you earn—even your mint, dill, and cummin.[a] But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being loyal. These are the things you should do, as well as those other things.


Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)
23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Here, the bible says: pay your tithe but don't omit the weightier matters of the law.

Peacefullove:
Read what you wrote as you make no sense whatsoever . How will such a thing as tithe be omitted in the record of those Christians if it were important ?

Tithing is of the law covenant, and Christians are not under
the mosaic law

Exactly, such information is too important to be omitted by the bible. So I need you to show where the bible condemned tithing.

MrPristine:
Jesus was addressing Pharisees who were under the law in the reference you made. We as Christians are not subject to that law cause we are under grace.

Grâce doesn't render the law useless. Neither is the law meant for reference purposes only. Grace gives us a better standing with God. See Matthew ch 5 vs 17.

MrPristine:
I am browsing with my phone so I can't quote it here, just check verse 18 and read up from verse 5 to know what was being condemned in verse 18.

The entire passage talks about the switch from the levitical priesthood back to priesthood after the order of Melchizedech and it also states that as there will be a switch in priesthood, the law will also change.
Christ is the new High Priest after the order of Melchizedech.
Christ changed the law by bringing grace.
Christ said this of the law :

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Christ and (or) the apostles have stated clearly what grace changes.
Christ never condemned tithes. When speaking on tithes, he told the pharisees: "these ye ought to have done and not leave the other undone " Ie. They shouldn't have left out righteousness deeds like love, peace, mercy etc to practice only things like tithing.

Peacefullove:
its funny how some people will claim tithe preceded the law, but yet keep QUOTING THE BOOKS OF THE LAW TO defend it ,isn't that highest level of hypocrisy .

clearly it's part of the law that must be done away with,if not apostles would have been recorded collecting tithes .NO SUCH THING

State where the bible clearly asks us to do away with it

Peacefullove:
C'mon , Christ was speaking to the Jews NOT YOu

The same Christ also practiced things like Jewish Passover, do u also do that ?

am surprised you don't yet understand that those things were still permitted until when Jesus shed his blood and cancel the law covenant .

that is why you will not read of any Christian practicing tithe in your bible

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


These are the words of Jesus.
Do you know that the pharisees give tithe of even their spices (food ingredients) ?
Why did Jesus condemn them? Because they are hypocrites. They obey the open laws and do it pompously while looking down on others who are not able to.

Tithing is in the law and Jesus didn't condemn it.

Deprofessional:
Please read Hebrew 7: 5 and hebrew 7: 12

Come back and comment.

[b]Hebrews 7:5-12King James Version (KJV)

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

.............

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Hebrews 7:5-12Good News Translation (GNT)

5 And those descendants of Levi who are priests are commanded by the Law to collect one tenth from the people of Israel, that is, from their own people, even though they are also descendants of Abraham.

................

11 It was on the basis of the levitical priesthood that the Law was given to the people of Israel. Now, if the work of the levitical priests had been perfect, there would have been no need for a different kind of priest to appear, one who is in the priestly order of Melchizedek,[a] not of Aaron.
12 For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law.[/b]


This verse talks about the ammendment grace brings. It also talks about Jesus being the new High priest. Just as only the levitical priests could offer atonement and enter into the holy of holies, Christ is the only perfect sacrifice for our sins and no man can enter the holy of holies / God's presence except through Christ.
The levitical priesthood is not perfect because being mere men, they die and they aren't greater than Abraham.
Melchizedech was a mysterious priest who had neither beginning nor end of days according to the bible. Abraham received blessings from Melchizedech meaning Melchizedech is greater than Abraham. So likewise Christ arose from the dead and is now immortal and he is greater than Abraham.

Several changes to the law were made because of grace but the law in itself is not abolished.
Christ fulfilled the law by offering blood for our sins, by keeping the sabbath day holy even in his death and resurrection, by keeping Jewish feasts and laws etc. When the adulterous woman was brought to him, did he say: "that law is wrong" don't touch her ? No, he instead said " let him that has no sin cast the first stone". He warned her go and sin no more, same with a man he healed. He said, go and sin no more.

What is sin ? Sin is disobedience to the law. The bible says : " Shall we now continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid "


The law still stands but grace covers it so much that we almost don't feel it again.

Some laws can't be practiced / were amended I'll list them for you.

1. Slavery doesn't exist anymore
2. Nobody keeps cows and the likes at home anymore
3. Fashion has changed from what it used to be.
4. The structure of the church has changed.
5. The mode of worship has changed in ways like using the blood/name of Jesus for forgiveness of sins, healing, casting out demons, praying to God, etc
6. Ability to pray from anywhere not just from the temple.
7. Freedom to eat what was once forbidden.
8. Ability to stand in the presence of God 24/7. Before, menstruation defiled women and anyone who touches her, sex defiled, dirty clothes defiled, not being full blooded jew from your 3rd or 5th ancestral line (from your parents upwards) defiled, sicknesses defiled, deformity defiled, miscarriage defiled, wrong hairstyle defiled etc but grace and the blood of Jesus has changed all that.
9. Blood sacrifice is now forbidden so we don't keep the feast of the passover, but we keep the Lord's supper.
10. Compulsory observation of holy days and celibacy has been stopped.

If I remember any more, I'll add. All these laws were stopped by Jesus and (or) the apostles in the new testament.

So we don't practice them. Anything else that they didn't condemn is lawful and biblical.

If Jesus and the blood of Jesus has covered us from 80% of the law, do we sweep away the remaining 20% to meet their brothers that are covered ? The bible says God forbid.
Any law not condemned still stands.

Tithing was never condemned by Jesus or the apostles. Let us not add or minus or misinterpret the bible.

I really felt moved to explain in detail to you. May the inspiration of the Almighty give you more understanding. I'll be happy to explain any other chapter to you. Just open a new thread and mention me there so we don't derail this one.

Peacefullove:
Clearly at this junction, it has been established that the practice of tithing was non existent among the early Christians.



they live off the gospel , when they preach the gospel

Luke 10 vs 7

And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages.




Tithe was a part of the law given to the Jews, and Christian's are not under the law, the same applies to animal sacrifice etc. Heb 7 vs 12 , change of priesthood means change of LAW

and don't give me that unfounded claim of Tithing preceded the law, No record of Abraham doing it every Sunday , Sunday or week by week . that faulty logic will mean Animal Sacrifice also preceded the law, I wonder why you are not practicing this ?

*The firstly Christians know this, which is why they never ask for tithe, and according to Bible . You should follow the examples of those apostles in the bible Yet no record of tithe among them , isn't that enough for u to think ?

You can't say that because the bible didn't record the early church paying tithes, tithes is non existent because the early church gave 100%. So unless you give your 100% to the church, you can't use them as a reference point.

MrPristine:
Neither does tithing apply to the christian Church.

Tithing applies because tithing was never condemned. Christ admonished that we don't leave things like mercy, love and peace out when practicing things like tithing.

MrPristine:
The tithing law was condemned in Hebrew 7:18-19. If you read from verse five the commandment to tithe was mentioned, this commandment was later described as a weak, useless and unprofitable law in verse 18.

Please quote and highlight the condemnation

Peacefullove:
Clearly u misused that Corinthians u quoted . Living off the gospel was never tithing, Don't be among the ignorant ones spoken of who twist the words of Paul - 2 Peter 3:15 and 16 .

With the Bold, Just admit such was never practiced among the Early Christians . No such thing as TITHE . !!!

What did the scripture mean by living off the gospel ?

Where did the bible condemn tithes ?

Peacefullove:
So Levite's actually preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ too like the apostle's did ? Answer me.

I demand again, If those who preach the gospel should live of the gospel mean Apostles who preach Gospel should collect tithe , SHOW ME ONE INSTANCE OF APOSTLES COLLECTING TITHES TO LIVE OF THE GOSPEL ?

Am waiting

Don't mix them up, in verse 13, the ministers the of the holy things were the levitical priests who handles holy incense, etc verse 14 the preachers of the gospel are apostles or pastors.


Acts 2:44-45King James Version (KJV)
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.


Acts 2:44-45Good News Translation (GNT)

44 All the believers continued together in close fellowship and shared their belongings with one another.
45 They would sell their property and possessions, and distribute the money among all, according to what each one needed.


When all members of the church were giving more than 10% to the church, there is no need to tithe.
Eg. I earn 30k monthly, once I receive my salary, I buy foodstuffs with 10k and I carry 20k and drop in the welfare offering box. If it's tithe, I've paid already. So no need preaching on tithe.

Acts ch 5 tells the story of Ananias who tried to give less than he made from his land sales. Who received the money he realized from the sales of his land?
Apostle Peter

Edelweiss44:
No man can help your case. Only Jesus can deliver your.

For a start, tithing is for christians. You are not a Christian, so what's your concern with tithing? You go to church sometimes, but that doesn't make you a Christian. You are merely a Wolf in sheep's clothing when it comes to churistianity. So Pls allow us Christians to obey what our Heavenly Father commanded us to obey in Malachi 3:10 and Matthew 23:23. You, keep following the paths of your god who was a rebel in heaven but was cast down. Whoever doesn't like Malachi 3:10 and Matthew 23:23 should go and tear them out of their bible!

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Preach bro, preach !

Peacefullove:
I have no issue with Levi people collecting tithe, its part of the Jewish religion. Am talking about Christianity as practiced by the apostles

Seems you didn't hear the question well , or you are not following this discussion with your heart .

Let me give you some flashback

You quote 1 Corinthians 9:13 and 14 from which you give the submission that tithing is one way by which A Christian can live of the gospel . A Submission I need you to prove by Citing just one record of Paul who wrote the verse or any other Apostle doing that which u assume he meant ?

1Chorinthians ch 9 vs 13 - 14 (KJV)

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


1 Corinthians 9:13-14New International Version (NIV)

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?
14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.


1 Corinthians 9:13-14Good News Translation (GNT)

13 Surely you know that the men who work in the Temple get their food from the Temple and that those who offer the sacrifices on the altar get a share of the sacrifices.
14 In the same way, the Lord has ordered that those who preach the gospel should get their living from it.



The things of the altar are tithe and offerings. Ministers of holy things are pastors / priests


Matthew 23:23King James Version (KJV)

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Matthew 23:23New International Version (NIV)

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Jesus said here that we shouldn't just pay tithe and neglect holy living but do the two.

Thirdly, tithing wasn't condemned in any part of the bible. From the OT to the NT.

BERNIMOORE:
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HERE WAS MY RESPONSE(in green), ON THIS LINK https://www.nairaland.com/4160536/paying-tithe-biblical/ I brough a parrallel bible verse that knock-off your claims when you compare;


can you see your mis-interpretation? lets see a parallel bible verse that says the same thing to the nation of isrealite yet 'not all are priest'

Exodus 19:6
and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel."
With The statement above, all tribes of isreal would have been priests, but apart from the levites no other tribe can officiate at the alter or be a priest.
example was tribe of judah, which bible actually claim that they are not priest.
hebrew 7
13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood
in the light of exodus 19:6

can you first reverse your erroneous assertion that 'every christians are priest?


so if pastors represent levites priest and their chief priest is (jesus) is represents tribe of judah a tribe from which no man has officiated at the altar and not a priesthood tribe is that not confusing?
can you see that my detailed response was on record but despite my response above you denied that i never responded while you were the one that did not answer the question there! dont worry its frustration just calm down i am saving this post (POST *A1)

Pastors represent the biblical levites who are priests. The priests receive tithes but in the biblical days, priesthood was reserved only for the lévites. Just like Melchizedech who predates the levitical priesthood received tithes so likewise, the post levitical priests are pastors and have the right to receive tithes.

Show us where the bible condemned tithing.

BERNIMOORE:
(POST *A) post tagged for refference
yes, ABRAHAM Returning 90% OF HIS PROFIT (goods; increase / spoils of victory ) after the tithe Of 10% to MELCHIZEDECK, that is after tithe, No profit, All christians must be ready to volunteer 90% of his Profit after paying tithe since (Abraham/Melchi) occurence sets a preceedence?

you were saying that its nobody's buz to talk about how profit should be used and i ask who gave YOU SUCH POWERS TO CHERRY-PICK WHAT sets a preceedence?
You claim that christians are paying tithe under the priesthood of Melchizedeck here;
i said if Abraham gave a tithe of all in verse 20, then verse 23 which shows how he gave out whole profits shows that under Melchi's priesthood, christians are to follow suit to give-out all profit after tithe

YOU DO NOT HAVE SUCH POWERS TO CHERRY-PICK WHAT sets a preceedence.

Go and force them to dash you the 90% remaining. I repeat, all that concerns this tithe is : " and he paid tithes of all"

After that, he returned everything else including what should have been his. Did Melchizedek tell him to do that ? No so why is his returning the 90% (of which he was still entitled to part) paining you ?

Show where the bible condemned tithing

BERNIMOORE:
But before you answer me let me point this out
Hebrew 7: 12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.


so todays pastors have [b]no legitimate right to receive tithe unto the lord if they do it 'NA OVERSABI'

This was your first post, that made me reference to Melchizedek receiving tithe though not being a levite. Did you bring superior argument with bible verses? No instead you never mentioned it again and changed post to this.

bolded above ''currency'' you fail to support why no currency was mention there yet you ''forcefully added currency

Different bible versions were used to show your hypocrisy. U didn't reply the poster but shifted to

tithes is an offering for sin

I exposed your lies with bible verses. Did you talk again ? No. You ran again to

Are we clear Now that Abraham DID not tithe his possesion as you claim?

I mentioned the story of Jacob and you shouted stick to the story of Abraham simply because Abraham returned all he recovered at the end.
I nau explained the story properly you're here shouting comedy and emotional blackmail. you don't understand bible verses, I used a story to explain to you, you refused to understand. Can you see that you are not sincere at all ? You have made up your mind not to tithe but you want to deceive others along with you. That's why I didn't want to reply you from the onset. I mean, a man who is ready to argue if Christ is worthy to receive tithes is not a christian. The antichrist knows the bible better than us all. At the end, the word of God is there to show the way for sincere christains.

Now,
You cleverly skipped the initial debate of did Abraham pay tithe to: explain how Abraham has a right over what he tithed.
I have done that already. You need to show where the bible condemns tithing or shut up. I don't need your warped bible twisting. Just show where the bible condemned tithing.

BERNIMOORE:
ribcracking comedy, you cannot even quote a single Bible verse to support your claim

I quoted the story of Jacob, you said we should dwell on the story of Abraham only. I did, you asked me to explain where the profit for the tithe came from. I did. Instead of you to admit that you have understood, you're calling me a comedian.
Expert post shifter, I'm waiting, change your post again.

Peacefullove:
and how does that relate to tithing Miss ?


in fact, if it was tithing he was talking about in that verse, show me a record of him living of the gospel by asking for Tithes ??

Numbers 18 vs 31

31. And ye shall eat it in every place, ye and your households : for it is your reward for your service in the congregation of the tabernacle

Tithes was being spoken of in Numbers 18 vs 25 - 32
God said that the remaining tithe after the lévites have offered a heave offering (a tenth of the tithes received) is their reward. Isn't that living off the gospel ?