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IMO01:
There is a way to escape reincarnation. I read it in a book. It talks about not entering the first white light we see when we die.

What made me stumble on the book was when I was researching on whether the God of the Jews is the almighty God, The difference between the God of old testament and new Testament. D God Jesus called his father was he also the God of the Jews

I suppose a human wrote the book, if that is so, why is he still on earth reincarnating
Isn't it logical for the who know how to break the wheel of reincarnation to be floating or resting entities?

When you see these things begin to happen, look up for your redemption is near....


What if these these families don't have up to 100,000 in their accounts? Have they just washed their hands to prepare a sumptuous meal for the dogs and fowls? 18yrs of education and hardship gone? Where do they start from in this old age?.

Seeing the children aren't from politicians, I advise the parent to tighten their belts

gypsey:
Unfortunately, World isn't ending soon, over here we are Already making plans for 3019

As my niece will say, All the best to you and the plans o

gypsey:
I guess so.

Believe it or not SOME females are Happy/proud describing or parading themselves as Hoes. They are all over Instagram/social media.

Okay. learnt something new today. Ciao!

And I dont expect things to get better in these matters till the world finally comes to an end

gypsey:
I see, but it's still don't make it right.

I apologise for using the term Hoe to describe you, if you found that offensive.


what dies "ko ye mi" means?

Your stance now is different from the initial one. I agree with you, what she did was very wrong but it doesn't warrant being called a murderer. What they need is enlightenment.

If I found it offensive? I for vex now but... Apology accepted

Ko ye mi means I don't understand in yoruba

gypsey:
try flabbergasted.

oh, I just hope you see things from their end by now

gypsey:
I am Discombobulated.

ko ye mi

delpee:
The point is that she deliberately sold her child which is a crime under the law!

Its a crime but I still insist that the gravity is not as heavy as they are making it out to be?
Those who commit an abortion also committed a crime right? It should even be a heavier crime as its 1st degree murder and they should be hanged for it right?

gypsey:
Yes! I do.

This isn't about me or my life.. but if you want it to be about me, Then i would say, like i ve Already Asserted we used protection, I have never heard, read or come across a case of protected sex resulting to pregnancy..

Yes, you did. She isn't better. she has taking the child's life by selling it to buy a phone. look! if a mobile phone is more important to her than her child she is no different than those who kill their child. There is no Justifications for such. If she had the child adopted perhaps i would understand.

Exactly what I am saying, she sold the child but the buyers were adopting the child. I'm not certain but its 85% likely that they were buying the child for adoption.
I am sorry to say but it is not a new thing in the east. Women who for one reason or the other find it hard to conceive do this a lot, they go to baby factories, describe the kind of mother and father they want for the child and even select a preferred candidate, select the period they want the child, pay for her upkeep, drugs and screening, then they take drugs to make themselves look and feel pregnant.
By the time of delivery, they go to a hotel and wait till the delivery and they are handed the child, they also take injections to allow then breastfeed the child. They pay and leave with the child. Many people prefer this method to adoption because this method is completely anonymous and they can't trace you back even if they want to but with orphanages, the birth parents can still trace and claim the child many years later.
I heard the full gist from people who experienced it or know people who went through the process so its not guess, its fact.

Its recently I am hearing that ritualists may have hijacked the process and hence the raids and arrests but hundreds of children's destiny have been positively altered through those exchanges.

So It's just like adoption/surrogacy instead of ritual aid or slavery.

gypsey:
You asked me a Derogatory question, Celibacy has nothing to do with people been able to care for The kids they have Financially. yes! FYI i have had sex with over 100 women and there is something called PROTECTION! not only for preventing unwanted pregnancies but for Sexual transmitted illnesses too..

Exactly As i expected, people like you always make this kinda Issues about Men against women or vise versa. It is about doing the Right thing! If you can't care for 2 dozen children financially, Don't have unprotected sex! it is simple!

Yes, i have had sex with countless Hoes and some of them are Normal educated human beigns, living Adequate and comfortable lives and would not sell any of their children/child (if they have one). You Justified a Woman selling a child to buy a mobile phone? and you expect me to take you serious?

You consider being asked if you're celibate derogatory?
All I know is if your life were at stake, you wouldn't swear that none of those ladies got pregnant.

Read again, I never justified her, I said she's better than those who out-rightly murder the children

oonix:
How are u sure the child will be taken care of? where was it stated in the article?.. what if the child is used for money ritual or for some twisted experiment like that?..

Well, that's left for her to find out.
Come to think about it? What about parents who use their children for rituals?

What if the new couple gives the child privileges the birth mother could only dream of and the child gets saved from a life of poverty, hardship and molestation?

Not saying this is exactly what will happen but its a possibility right?

gypsey:
Thank you! You obviously have nothing reasonable to add, i am not surprised. your comments sounded really dumb.. Hoes like you go around having dozens of children you cannot care for.. i have 2 children i didn't sell any of them for £500. they get everything they want. i work my ass off monday to fridays to pay for their needs, unlike you and your Hoe females.


Cheeers!

I asked a simple question and you simply went on and on showing the answer was no. So if you have been sleeping with women since you were a teenager, how many of them do you think have gotten pregnant at some point? Apart from those who told you about their pregnancy and those who weren't even sure you were the father of their pregnancy, you have murdered only God knows how many yet you're here crucifying a woman for having sex and giving birth to the child and not murdering it like you right?
The moment someone mentions your secret sins, you begin to vomit all the bile you're loaded with. I am glad I am nothing like any of the unprintable names you vomited. Not like you will understand though, you have only been around those kind of people.

Anyways, I understand

delpee:
That's not surrogacy, it's the sale of what she considers an extra child so she can meet her wants and needs. Really sad.

With surrogacy there's a valid contract. The woman's services are paid for. Usually this arises when a woman for some reasons, can't carry her baby to full term or there are infertility problems. The sperm and eggs can be from the parents. The surrogate mum is implanted with the foetus and the baby is handed over upon delivery. She may not even know the parents.

Well, I feel its just like a glass that's either half way full or half way empty. The family for some reason cannot have a child and aren't aware of IVF obviously. they must have been in contact with her to get the child as soon as its born.

What about women who sell their eggs?
What about men who sell their sperm?
What about women who abort their kids or give birth and drop them in dunghills or in orphanages who still sell the kids?
What about families up north who raise children who end up as beggars or bokoharam recruits?
what about families down south that raise girls and knowingly send them off to italy to prostitute?
What about families who pay women to give birth for them and disappear or women who get pregnant with another man's child to cover up for their husband?

Wont it be better for that child to get education it wont have gotten before and become the next president of Nigeria or a ceo employing hundreds of people instead of becoming molested, initiated to cultism or prostitution and end up carrying cv and files up and down?

I'm not justifying anything she did or did not do, I'm saying her crimes are much lesser than the punishments being dished to her.

gypsey:
Really? If she couldn't care for the baby why have sex get pregnant? And please don't justify her getting pregnant as a mistake, she Already have 5 children. so should know better that if she go around having sex there would be a chance of getting pregnant.

Even if she took the money or not her actions is still not Acceptable.

All she had to do was to keep her smelly vagina shut.

The same way you have been celibate all your life?

If you ask me, I'll say she's better than those who abort pregnancies every 2 months and those who dump newborns in dust bins, dunghills and gutters. She gave birth to the child, sold it to a family where it would be cared for.
Isn't that what surrogacy is about?
Hypocrites who have either paid a lady to abort a child or have masturbated several times will cast stones on her.
She's wrong for bringing a child she can't cater for into the world. Her action might have been more understandable if she didn't take money as a reward.

Please define Nigerian Startup because we all know a poor Nigerian with bright ideas almost never gets any funding.

The Presidency not The President

Jessicha:
That's a wrong hypothesis. He clearly says the witness of TWO men Is true and he applied it to himself and his Father . You and your spirit are not two persons. So that disqualify the hypothetical illustration u gave

And for two persons been one, are couple not two person But ONE according to the Bible ? Does that make them same person ?

Another verse that shows Jesus spoke of two men figuratively is John ch 10

Compare these verses by Jesus to different sets of people and see Jesus was speaking in parables at a point.

John 8:18 (KJV) I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 10:25 (KJV) Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

John 10:30 (KJV) I and my Father are one.

John 10:38 (KJV) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

By the emboldened you can see that the father who testifies is a figurative speech or a parable.
Jesus here said he and his father are one but they should believe him because of the works of his father which he does.

The works here were personified in John ch 8 as the second witness

Jessicha:
That's a wrong hypothesis. He clearly says the witness of TWO men Is true and he applied it to himself and his Father . You and your spirit are not two persons. So that disqualify the hypothetical illustration u gave

And for two persons been one, are couple not two person But ONE according to the Bible ? Does that make them same person ?

I and my spirit are not 2 people, we are one but we have different physical attributes eg: You cant see my spirit but you can see me. Same way my actions aren't even a living being but can "testify"

Jesus told his disciples that he speaks in parables to non disciples same way "the testimony of 2 men is true" doesn't mean it must be two physical men. It could also be a figurative speech
Just like saying: my actions testify of my integrity. My actions cant speak, its figurative.

Two becoming one isnt the same thing Jesus meant by saying that He and his father are one because Jesus said his father is in him and He is in his father.
You can't say the husband dwells in the wife and the wife dwells in the husband.

Jesus didnt have to command demons in the name of the father but he asked the apostles to cast out demons in his name because the father is already in him.
A husband can't go to his wife's office and carry out her duties or sign like her or give opinions on behalf of his wife or access her bank accounts without being a joint signatory or having the wife's preapproval and vice versa but Jesus never needed to confirm from his father before casting out demons etc because he is in the father.

Jessicha:
Read my post again dear, he already clarified they are TWO. The witness of TWO men is true .

Unless you meant he lied

In my bible, Jesus said he and his father are one.
Kindly quote where he said he and his father are two.
Or was Jesus lying when he said He and his father are one

John 8:18 (KJV) I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 8:19 (KJV) Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

If you still dont understand the emboldened, let me dramatise it,

Me to Jess:
"My spirit is stronger than my physical body, if you doubt me try to attack me spiritually and my spirit will deal with you"

Jess to me:
Show me your spirit,

Me to jess:
what kinda question is that? Dont u know my spirit is in me?

Example 2:
My actions testify of my integrity. If u wont believe my words, believe me because of my actions which testify of me.

This sentence doesnt prove that I and my actions are different.

Jessicha:
Your entire post at red drives to one angle, that is, ONE single person manifesting in different forms . but I disagree , Jesus on earth proved they are TWO different persons, so this shed light on the voice at his baptism.

John 8:17,18 " Also, in your own law it Is written: ' The witness of TWO men is true ' . I am one who bears witness about MYSELF ( person 1) , and the Father who sent me bears witness about me ( person 2) "

To say they are one same person is to make Jesus a liar

Jesus never said his father is different from him.
John 14:8 (KJV) Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 (KJV) Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

The above verses mean that God the Father is living inside Jesus and talking through Jesus of the same God the father who is in heaven or is the scripture lying?

Matthew 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

Acts 2:38 (KJV) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Here see the how the apostles themselves carried out the command of the Lord Jesus which was given in Matthew ch 28vs19. They understood that the name of the Father is Jesus, the name of the Son is Jesus and the Holy Spirit is the same Jesus. That is why all that the apostles baptised or did, they did in the name of Jesus because God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are titles and the name of God is Jesus shikena.

On a lighter note, U wont bind a demon in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy spirit if not, the demon may end up beating the hell outa you like it did in Acts ch 19 vs 13-16 to those exorcists

Jessicha:
I like to think your entire post is summed up in the bolded, but I disagree, Jesus Is not the Father. .. The voice from heaven during Jesus baptism called him " My son " ?

Is that the voice of Jesus himself whom Is getting baptize ?

How can anyone else refer to the Father of ALL (Eph 4:6 ) as " My son " ?

You are right by thinking that is the summary of all I said and I would be surprised if you didnt fire questions back at me.

Remember that God is omnipresent meaning he can be everywhere at the same time.
John 3:13 (KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Wait, doesn't this mean Jesus is God who was ruling in heaven while on the earth? Is it impossible for God to be in heaven but yet on earth as Jesus?

John 3:12 (KJV) If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

These were the words of Jesus himself.

I love that chapter you quoted because it plainly said there is one God who is Father over all.

How else would Jesus have vindicated himself if not by allowing all to hear the voice from heaven testifying of him?
It was necessary that people witness the supernatural to believe on him. After that day, did heaven open again to call him the beloved son?

Jessicha:
Going by John 17:3. He said his Father is the only true God not himself

Morning dear

Jesus asked:
Have you been so long with me and you dont know me? Whoso has seen me has seen the father, John 14 8-21

I and my father are one John Ch 10 vs 30

Jesus is the beginning and the ending.
In Genesis ch 1 vs 1: In the beginning God made heaven and earth.
In Revelation ch 22 vs 21: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all

Deut ch 6 vs 4: Hear ye O Israel, the Lord your God is one God.

Mark ch 4 vs 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

At the mention of the name Jesus, every knee must bow, of things in heaven, on earth and things beneath the earth and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God the Father.
Philipians ch 2 vs 10
So my sis, at the mention of Jesus, the father must bow and even the Holy Spirit must confess that Jesus is the Lord.
Normally, this should be a sin because the children should honor their fathers and Jesus should lead by example but the bible said that all the bowing and confessions are to the Glory of God the father.

How can the bowing of a father to his son bring glory to the father? It doesnt make any sense.
But if Jesus is the father and the father is Jesus then he doesnt need to bow to his own name and all the bowing will be to the glory of the father who is Jesus.

Furthermore, you as an individual is the daughter of somebody, the sister of somebody, the friend of somebody, will be or is the wife of somebody, will be or is the mother of somebody and you have an official name. Yet your children call you mum, siblings call you sis, parents call you daughter. So I am not wrong to say you are the mother the daughter and the wife. Does that make you 3 or 4 in one ? If you as a human doesn't need to be 4 in one to play these roles easily, how much more the God who created you?

In creation He is the Father,
To save us from the curse of death, he came as a man ( The Great Emmanuel: God with us) his name is Jesus, the word of God entered Mary and she bare a living word. (In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God) Jesus became known as the son of God,
In order for Jesus to dwell in us and be with us even till the end of the world, Jesus returned on the day of Pentecost as the Holy Ghost. If Jesus is the Holy Ghost then which Holy Ghost did the angel that spoke to Mary speak about?

Who is inside us? The Holy Spirit.
Who promised to be with us and in us? Jesus (Matthew ch 28 vs 20).
So Jesus is the Holy Spirit who is inside us.
How many spirits does God have? In Genesis ch 1, the Spirit of God moved on the surface of the waters so where did the Holy Spirit come from? Does God have 2 spirits? No, its the same Great Spirit from Genesis ch 1 who put himself in us as the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost.

So do you see the same God in these 3 titles?

Remember that God is omnipresent meaning he can be anywhere at the same time.
John 3:13 (KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Wait, doesn't this mean Jesus is God who was ruling in heaven while on the earth? Is it impossible for God to be in heaven but yet on earth as Jesus?

John 3:12 (KJV) If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

These were the words of Jesus himself.

May the Holy Spirit expand these words in your heart in Jesus name. Amen.

OtemAtum:
auntywater

where there's auntywater, there must be mamiwater

OtemAtum:
Not only mammy water, it's pappy water

Didnt your earthus abi eartum jump from the moon and land on a fish and joined with the fish and became half woman, half fish
What is half fish and half woman called ?

OtemAtum:
There's no hell. Check the book of universal truth. Currently Yahweh your god is held in a spiritual cage.

Says a mammy water worshipper
The Lord Jesus is the only true God, without him, there nothing made that was made.

The earlier you accept that the better for you

Simplep:
I dnt even kn wat to beleive anymore,confused..som things in d bible are so.....imagine where d bible says do not commit adultery,for i say unto u,a man who marries a divorced woman has committed adultery,dat divorce is a sin,does it mean a divorced woman should b single for life?..so many things are nt cleared to me weneva i open my bible to read bt anyways God will see us through,jst do good,dats d key..pay tithe if u like,di not force people to pay or not pay,jst do wat u beleive and stop listening to others...God is good

That verse shows that the Bible does not support divorce. The couple can be separated though but they should remain single after the separation. I'll be happy to answer questions in my own little understanding. Just open a thread and mention me

I'm not a pastor. Even if I am, it's not me that will receive the tithe of anyone reading this. I felt a burden to write and I am grateful I did. Apart from the bliss from the knowledge that I have impacted in not one, not 2, not even 10 lives, I feel like an apostle already
If you have followed up to this point, the summary is : tithing is biblical and it doesn't have to be money.

MuttleyLaff:
Study Hebrews Chapter 7 properly, you will find the mention of tithing in Hebrews Chapter 7 is of the least concern.

Mathew chapter 5 says that the smallest part of the law will not fail till heaven and earth be fulfilled.
Irregardless of the importance of any part of the law, disobedience to it is still called a sin. Just pray you don't have even one tiny lie to contend with on the day of judgement.

In the end, no part of the Bible should be ignored because it's the "least important". Is it in your Bible? pray for the grace to obey / practice it instead of weighing it's importance. But if you feel it's not worth the stress, it's your cup of coffee.

MuttleyLaff:
Madam, I think you looked in the mirror when you typed the above

This is the problem with people like you and Petra1, who like combining together the Levitical type of tithing and the Abraham type of tithing

What you ought to have known, is that Jesus was saying the Pharisees like any other Jew or Israelite has a DUTY, as in a requirement or obligation to give tithe and not leave matters of justice, mercy, fairness and the love of God undone.

Please tell, that's if you know, what are the reason(s) why it is a duty for the Israelites, particularly the Pharisee to pay tithe?

He did a good job in exposing your low understanding actually

Abraham tithe only once.
The reason why Abraham tithed only once, is because Abraham took up arms, went to fight, on battle just the one time.
Abraham went after another once
It is this one time pursuit that Abraham fought and captured only hence the reason he tithed only once.
Abraham never had the chance to repeat the thrill of taking up arms, chase, fight and capture again, and so the opportunity to tithe never arose again

Isn't it the same bible we both and all are reading
because you are behaving as if you are singing from another hymns book

Hebrew Chapter 7, isn't anywhere talking about tithing perse.

Study Hebrews Chapter 7 properly, you will find the mention of tithing in Hebrews Chapter 7 is of the least concern.

You can only force a horse to the stream but can't force them to drink. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion in the end. The same verse you feel has exposed me has blessed countless more just that everyone isn't bold enough to face the heat here.

Jesus said : What I say to one, I say to all
So you can't divide his words. The same Jesus said: A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. Jesus is never the author of confusion. Salvation and Christianity came to the world by the jews first then extended to the gentiles.
That being said, the Bible never mentioned the number of times Abraham tithed. The tithe of the slaughter of kings was a very spectacular one and deserved a chapter on it. Ever wondered where Jacob got the inspiration to vow to pay tithes?

Hebrews 7 is centered around the switch in priesthood and the tithe receiver.

plainbibletruth:
I don't go beyond proper limits of what is clearly stated in Scripture.

I know some IMAGINATION is allowed but it should have limits.

The Scripture CLEARLY says what Abraham's tithe to Melchzedek was.

The Bible is equally clear in our not seeing where Jacob fulfilled his vow.

I wouldn't want to speculate beyond proper limits of scriptures.

When "The bible commands a tithe of all thine increase.", the question I ask you is: Increase of what ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?

When you start from the Bible and then DRIFT OFF to "logic", "common sense" or "pure logic" you actually drift off into error.

The Christian should not stand on "human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ"

Your increase is your profit.
Anything you feel is your profit should be tithed on. If you're led to tithe on only the increase of your land / farm even when you're not a farmer. Please dont pay any cash to anybody because it will be rejected by God because you dont even believe that you're giving to God. In your heart, "You're only enriching this greedy man". So, just like the sacrifice of cain which was rejected, that tithe even if its for 100k every month for 3yrs, so long as the heart giving doesnt give cheerfully, there's no need to give.

Tithing is biblical but its better you dont give at all than to give with a sly or grudging heart.

Peacefullove:
No intelligent person will call something that was distributed among all kind of people a tithe . it involves heavy denial of facts and blind argument

What the apostles did with the contributions is not your business. Call it anything you want.