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DMerciful:
Why get pregnant then?

Like she walked into a store, bought 5months old pregnancy and swallowed it.

In a society where many men refuse to be in sexless relationships and they will rather die than wait for sex after marriage, those same men lack every moral and spiritual right to condem this.

The child didn't make itself, the father of the child failed the mother and the child. From the description, we can see that the child wasn't born in a hospital, otherwise it won't have the cord, it was most likely born by its mother alone in an uncompleted building or a Bush.

For the child to be 8 to 9 months, it's mother tried to feed and care for it. It must have died from infections arising from its improper birth, lack of proper vaccination and poor living conditions. Looks like its mother is very young and broke, otherwise she should have even known that she has to cut the cord close to the child not close to herself.

Her father must have thrown her out of his house when he realized she was pregnant to avoid the stigma and shame.

I'll bet money that the mother is a teenager......... team 15 to 22yrs old virgin f*ckers oya come and do DNA to know which of you fathered this child.

Every one of you cursing her should first ask yourself if you have a child who somehow ended up like that.
Una wey sabi f*ck and ghost.

#Hypocrites

Dexy4yah:
The guy is a yahoo guy according to the thread....so it's obvious she is there in the relationship because of the money.
It's very hard for a girl to stay in a relationship with a broke guy... believe it or not.

You generalised about women and relationships in general in your initial comment.

Dexy4yah:
Money is the major reason ofcourse

I disagree, not at that age. At a later age I might agree with you.

Dexy4yah:
I don't know if it's ritual related killing....but with the look of things this a toxic relationship....I have seen girls in toxic relationship when you tell them to leave..they will tell you....i rather die there than to leave my man....despite the beatings and all that.

What am trying to say is that....no sensible girl should remain in any toxic relationship nomatter what...

I agree too, you added money as a reason women dated toxic men, thata why I quoted you

Dexy4yah:
you're in a toxic relationship but you couldn't let go Because of enjoyment and fake luxury lifestyle.




I rather die than to leave him..
I rather die than to allow another girl to take my place...

Now look at the result.....

I hope you realize that its not only rich guys that engage in blood rituals.

On this nairaland, we've seen stories of phone repairers who engage in it as well

ZIMDRILL:
i get your point

but you are failing to understand where tradition/custom, law and church meet


In most cases a church wedding comes after traditional marriage or registy of marriage, unless if your church and the pastor are certified to conduct registry marriages

Do you know the difference between registry and the ceremony ?

You're not getting my point, wether Christian traditions or cultural traditions. A tradition that has overstayed it's welcome must either adjust or be trashed.
This idea of paying brideprice especially exorbitant amounts that make women seem like merchandise should stop.

Our culture is beautiful and I'm not saying that it should be scrapped. I'm just saying that it's not perfect and we shouldn't keep bleeding ourselves to satisfy it's blood lust.

Let's keep the beautiful traditions and throw away the parts that have outlived their usefulness

ZIMDRILL:
even a traditional white wedding does the same

unfortunately many people are abusing the these traditions

A traditional white wedding is none of our business and it's still not a good reason why we should continue practicing damaging traditions.

The modern white wedding a.k.a church wedding has adapted to the changing times and this is why it's more widely practiced and accepted.

All that's needed there is the consent of the parents of the bride or someone representing them, a priest and two witnesses.
Shikena!

You nau have the ability to tweak it according to your financial capacity or choices.
Some people do bridal train that's like half a village, na their money.
Some people use limousine as the wedding car, na Dem sabi.
Some do reception, some no do reception na dem want am like that.

A tradition that places a financial requirement for everyone should make the minimum amount affordable for anyone in such a way that even beggars can afford it. So people stop using money as an excuse to not do the right thing

ZIMDRILL:
i agree that cultute is dynamic and moves woth time, the dynamic is the change from
the past, not knowing and understanding yout past leaves you confused in the present time

We all understand the past, but we're holding on to some outdated forms of the traditions for selfish reasons.

Brideprice has no reason to cause financial headache otherwise it should be scrapped.

ZIMDRILL:
a white wedding is a traditional wedding to western and eastern europe so its equall a traditional wedding as our own cultural, tribal or traditional african one, the only difference is in the western world it has been incoperated into One were registery and wedding can be done at the same time aka registry and ceremony

Then i mentioned the ring under western tradition were the ring cost a bit of money and i compared it with part of bride price money or whatever

As for why 50 tubers etc, you need to search on what was basic living before modern world, marrying off your daughter was also loosing two hands that would have helped in ploughing the fields etc, marrying off you get compersented and also in law bring feed to each that day and other days to come, that were this concept of all food staff etc

And also it showed the hustle skill of the son-on law and his family

However the modern life has made marrying a very commercial transaction were some family are trully seeing daughters

Some people like youself are now focusing, on those who have abused the traditional marrying ways, while abuse is there, their still other people who are still reasonable not greedy

For a culture to survive, it has to be dynamic and responsive to changing times.

I love how you put it "before modern times"

Times have changed, daughters aren't farming and their marriage doesn't stop them from supporting their family if they wish to, so hasn't that tradition overstayed it's welcome?

If you know me, you'll know I'm a cultural lover but I can't swallow trash because I want to be cultural.

Why are we wearing English wears? Before the modern times, weren't we wearing grass or even wearing nothing? We conveniently did away with the unclothedness, what about the murder of twins, isn't that our culture ?

What about the culture of women marrying women?
What about the culture where women on their periods shouldn't be touched with a long pole to avoid defilement and neutralization of whatever......

When times change traditions adjust or end up in the dustbins of history

ZIMDRILL:
yes it,

lock at this a white wedding it is western and easter tradition

In the western tradition of a wedding, the guy buy a ring, not a cheap ring No thats equally to may be half of the bride price of an africa traditonal pride price

there are 3 problem with us africans

1 at 1st a white wedding was seen and used a sign to show off how wealth you are, compared to african traditional one

2 we have made to believe by the coloners that our own traditional wedding are nothing but equally there are both traditional, the only difference is that a white wedding can held with in-coperation with laws aka registering

3 Most african we know little of the actual white wedding tradition, we only capture the ceremony with knowing what really happens

here is the link to understand a typical western traditional white wedding
https://www.bridesdiary.com.au/planning-your-wedding/articles/246/wedding-budget-etiquette-who-pays-for-what

I only mentioned brideprice, you brought traditional and white wedding and even ring into it.

So let's face our own tradition.
The idea of a price to be paid to symbolize commitment sounds romantic and godly.

What has 50 tubers of yam got to do with a marriage's success?
Does 1m naira brideprice as hefty as it is stop a couple from divorcing when things don't work out between them?
Why will a man ask his fellow man to build a house for him in the name of brideprice?
Why should an entire kindred chop from one person's wedding? Is that even fair?
What has flogging a man got to do with becoming a good husband?

Brideprice shouldn't be more than 10,000naira equivalent.
Anything else added is hypocrisy and man's inhumanity to man.

Otherwise, do away with brideprice entirely.

ZIMDRILL:
i respect your opinion and we differ thats fine but the honest truth most people find it hard, ho go ahead and marry without parents approval

Dont get me wrong am not in support of deadbeat dad behaviour

Is brideprice payment even a right tradition?

ZIMDRILL:
Fair enough thats your view on the subject but ask yourself why most people dont feel comfortable, when there is no parents approval of there wife to be or husband to be ?

Some call it approval and blessing, from parents

A parent is one who raised us up not a sperm donor.
We care about their approval because their opinion and happiness matters to us.
I definitely won't rate the opinion of a man who made zero attempt to be a father to me even though he knew about me.

If I had a deadbeat dad, seeing his tears won't move me like seeing the tears of the one who raised me.

ZIMDRILL:
we are saying almost the same thing though there is a slight difference

Where i came from regardless that the step father was raised the child, aslong the biological father is alive and their relationship was known, he is notified or invited if not his relatives eg his sister

The invitation gives a chance to the son in law to know the biological father. Then if the girl was raised by either the mum alone or step father, thr bride price goes the mums family, then if the mum's family wants to give a token of appriciation the step father is given something

The biological father if he has not paid bride price for the mum he gets nothing, he is given something for is turn up. if he had paid bride price he is also given something but greater compared to that of not paying

The reason why the father is informed ot invited its due to what africans beliefs to say each family has it own family curse etc, so lets say your wife start to have those curse/family spiritual things, who is gonna solve it for you ifs its said its from your fathers side ? Your step father wont be able to sort it out for you, its need your bloodline relatives.

The step father will be always appriciated by the daughter she raised, bride price its one day event, whereas the girl has more year to bless the step father

I don't believe in bloodline curses...... It's a lie from the pit of hell used to chain people to traditions that have outgrown their use.

Back to the matter, I don't want any deadbeat mis-relative to attend my wedding even if he's my blood father. And if he Waka pass by mistake, he shouldn't even be given a plate of rice talkless of something.

Forget about curses, I don't believe in them, they can't work on me, they work on those who believe in them.

Proudpolygamist:
My own be say if i be your brother and you carry me go pay downry for your wife step father house u can never fit talk for our family gathering because na u go marry bastard pay ur wife downry for orphanage. Your wife can never get my Respect... She's a bastard as far as I'm concerned.

The woman is very bitter, if the man is bad, he has a family. He has siblings!
Are all of them bad too?

You're more bitter than her.

So girls in orphanages are all bastards?
So adopted children shouldn't marry?

Nigeria is this way because of all these anticlockwise traditions and brains that support it

Unclesamo:
Is this the Woke Generation theology of defining who a father is?


What if it was the mother that denied him the access from birth by running away with the child, threatening any form of connection, or in the bid of marrying someone Richer?

what if?

Threatened to beat him up or threatened to bite him?

If she stole his $2m and ran away with it and threatened him, will he stay away?

ZIMDRILL:
i think you missed my point, the father is invited but he doesnt get much of the bride price, if he didnt pay bride price of the mum, on the daughter of his daughter'w bride price, the father's in laws claims their bride price therefore the father of the girl only get a token for being the biological father the rest goes to the parents of the woman (who are the maternal grant parents of the girl)

There's no reason for the man to be invited if the girl doesn't want him to be invited.

Her life has been going well without his blessings anyway.

It's disrespectful and an insult, it's demeaning to tell me that someone must be in my wedding despite my refusal, so I don't have a right to determine who comes or not?
Even if my mum lied about him, that's between him and my mum, it doesn't automatically make me and him besties and it doesn't automatically make him my father and I definitely will NEVER discard the man who raised me for a sperm donor.
I don't reward bad behaviour.
He knew me and chose to be absent in my life due to his fall out with my mum, so he has to keep being absent on the best day of my life as well.
It's possible my mother was in the wrong but he never bothered to even say hi or attempt to make acquaintance with me on the road, market, at school etc all my life so he's literally dead as far as I'm concerned.

And if my fiance meets him secretly to give him any acknowledgement of any kind, that's his own business. E concern the two of them. My real father who raised me must get everything he deserves and be the only father representing me on my day.

Where I come from, an uncle or even stranger who raised a child from infant to maturity takes the brideprice. The parents may be present but when you present the brideprice to them, they'll call the person who raised her and hand it over to the person. The person may insist that the biological parents have a share in it, that's up to the person to decide. Infact, that person takes a higher position than the biological parents. If that person if offended, or even curses that child, nothing the biological parents can do about it.

You don't even forget the nanny who looked after a child especially a girl child, the nanny is usually appreciated with a basket of provisions. Lack of money is why it's not often practiced.

When a man gets a woman pregnant, he should support the child irrespective of the differences he has with the child's mother and not sit his lazy ass somewhere counting the years till he can come and claim brideprice as the "Biological Sperm Donor"

I feel soooo angry.

ZIMDRILL:
where i came from, if the man didnt pay the bride price for the child mother, when the child get married the father is invited to witness the ceremony, but he wont get the bride price of his daughter, when the son in law pay the bride price to the father, the parents of the mother now collect their bride price from hims (aka the father

Therefore in simple terms, "you didnt pay for the child's mother bride price, now you wont get the bride price of your daughter, its goes to pay for the child's mother bride price

So idea works in two ways one, whether you were raised by a step father from day you were born, bride price should be received by your bloodline, your father but if your father is owing the bride price, his own in laws will demand it therefor the father will walk with just a token but the rest has been grabbed by the in laws, ad for the step father she shouldnt recieve bride price for bloodline which is not his, no matter how much he contributed to the child

Then the reason they want the father to be there on the bride price day its to do
with spirituality, whereby through either traditional worship or christaing, its about the unification of those two biological parents of the child, eg in african spirituality your ancestors/forefathers are told that out child is married etc, a step father can not do that becoz there have no blood or spiritual/forefathers link

Remember in african spirituality there are problems were one is asked to bring biological parents, it can mom or daddy's size, with a step father how is going to do that ?

Step father is usually appriciated by the person he raised

Nonsense, so adopted children don't get married traditionally?
What about sperm donor babies? They'll look for the sperm donor?

Stupid nonsense tradition meant to hold women bound

pandoragirigory:
Nice one , God bless the daughter of Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu Jagaban the Eze-Chukwu of Igbo land

I love it when my enemies make mistakes....
Go on, pepper them
Let me tell you more names of God in Igbo language you can ascribe to Tinubu to pepper the igbos

Chukwu-Okike Abiama
Chukwu nna
Agu-n'eche mba
Onye kere el'igwe n'uwa

Also help us to tell Tinubu to address himselves boldly with these titles , Igbo people will nearly die of grief........ You too, keep using these titles to oppress igbos

What about the heavy bleeding that goes with it?

I'll definitely not want my woman Wondering if her gown is painted in red on our special day. We'll weigh the costs together, if the costs are too high to comfortably ignore, we'll look for options like a doctor's appointment, her only being in the hall for not more than 1-2hrs or something.

I don't think a woman will be happy to sit and look pretty while her life is draining out with insane pain

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Gospelpreacher1:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16810672/modified-man-fingers-chopped-off-alien/amp/

zero8zero:
Beyond faith, have you not observed that what was written in the scriptures is a far cry from what is happening now. Seems the power as of old is diminished, less visible, less awakening. The world seems overshadowing the church. Lastly, no more prophets!

Very valid points, our doctrines have diminished our faith. In the years of martyrdom, the church held services in secret locations and if you claimed to be Christian, before you can have the chance to be told of the secret location, you must prove it by healing a sick person. You can't heal the sick, no church for you. Today churches build clinics and hospitals right beside the church incase anything happens...

Sad...

Buzx:
I would say the government hasn't done a good job about making the goal of the enaira clear.

What enaira users would be transferring to each other is just 'values and digits' stored on a permissioned blockchain and not cryptocurrencies.

Gbam... Case closed...

Buzx:
The enaira cannot be some of the things you listed above because that's not its aim.

If the e-naira wasn't designed to do any of these things, how then does the CBN hope the e-naira can help improve the value of the naira ?

The e-naira as it is a wallet with an infinite supply closed to foreigners and individuals without a BVN which makes it effectively naira in, naira out.

What then is the difference between it and a mobile banking app? Cus this is literally a mobile banking app owned by CBN and not a digital currency.

After hearing about the e-naira launch, I had some hopes for our legal tender but all that was quickly squashed when I realised that the e-naira though built on a Blockchain, was operating simply as a wallet.

Detected Flaws:
1. NOT FOREIGNER FRIENDLY: From the otps that never comes to the KYC requirements, no non-resident can be able to invest $1 because they can't pass the requirements. So it will be naira in, naira out.

2. NO TOKENOMICS, WHITEPAPER OR ROADMAP: Market the e-naira to us, where can we spend the e-naira in the coming months, how will enaira be different? Aren't we supposed to be going global? Will an exchanged be launched? Can the e-naira be linked to an ATM?

3. NO TRANSPARENCY: The beauty of the Blockchain is that it is 100% automated and transparent, but with e-naira, that's not the same. With bscscan.com and etherscan.com, one can track exactly where money is on the Blockchain, if a transaction failed, it's automatically reversed and you still see the failed transaction hash. If my e-naira gets missing, who do I call? Who do I talk to? Do I have to go to CBN? Or do I have to drop a comment on Google play store?

4. Nothing about the total supply of the e-naira: Does the government keep allocating numbers in wallets like it prints naira? How can that stop inflation? What if I buy 100,000e-naira today and tomorrow 15trillion enaira is added to circulation? Won't that crash whatever gains have been made on the e-naira? What's the guarantee another Quadrillion won't be added again

This thing is really not hard... Few things that will turn enaira and eventually the physical naira around:

1. Let there be a defined number of mintable coins. Even if they peg the total supply at 200trillion, e go finish. The lesser the supply, the higher the value of the coin. Common sense

2. Staking a.k.a fixed deposit, let them create a fixed deposit system, that's the only way to successfully encourage people not to spend their enaira. The APY can be generated from transaction fees on the Blockchain, no matter how small.

3. Let the linkage of the e-naira to a bank be optional and flexible. Let people be able to raise bank instruments in any currency from their staked e-naira balance through their linked bank account.

4. Ease of sign-up, will an investor from Malaysia or Australia need a BVN and an otp to invest ? Checkout other wallets, with a password phrase and maybe a pin, you're good to go. Email can be added for security reasons but all these verification bla bla bla needs to stop

5. Let the government forget about trying to know who owns what... When they link their wallet to their bank account, you'll know who they are. But a millionaire from South Africa definitely doesn't want anyone snooping around his identity...

6. Let's have something like a bscscan where every transaction can be tracked so we know where our tokens vanished to if something funny happens.

7. Ease to send payments in any currency to any country. Don't let the e-naira look like a dollar trap where you can enter but you can't come out.

8. Consider the ability to swap e-naira for coins like BTC, ETH etc directly from the app

I bet it, naira will appreciate tremendously if the e-naira is properly reinvented.

Note: According to enaira.gov.ng, e-naira is a digital currency built on the Hyperledger Fabric Blockchain which is an open source block chain targeting financial houses and governments.

Contributions are welcome...

thebosstrevor1:
With e naira, government can know the actually naira in circulation, they can track the data easily, when you have that info you can reduce inflation rate.

One of the causes of inflation in Nigeria that nobody wants to talk about is FAKE NAIRA in circulation, this is what government does not have control over with physical cash but with e naira, they can know the actual amount of naira in circulation, this is very good for planning

I'm actually surprised you are this educated, judging by your occasional biased posts.

Anyway, here's my 2cents, the Nigerian government messed up on this enaira. It's a cryptocurrency without a tokenomics, rendering it as useless as a wallet created by any shopping site just that this wallet was created by the CBN.

This thing is really not hard... Few things that will turn enaira around:
1. A coin with an infinite supply would need external factors to appreciate (which Nigeria lacks, judging by the physical naira's performance). Let there be a defined number of mintable coins. Even if they peg the total supply at 22trillion, e go finish. The lesser the supply, the higher the value of the coin. Common sense

2. Staking a.k.a fixed deposit, let them create a fixed deposit system, that's the only way to successfully encourage people not to spend their enaira.

3. Let people be able to raise bank instruments in any currency from their staked enaira balance or send payments in any currency to anywhere

4. Ease of sign-up, will an investor from Malaysia or Australia need a BVN and an otp to invest ? Checkout other wallets, with a password phrase and maybe a pin, you're good to go. Email can be added for security reasons but all these verification bla bla bla needs to stop

5. Let the government forget about trying to know who owns what... When they link their wallet to their bank account, you'll know who they are. But a millionaire from South Africa definitely doesn't want anyone snooping around his identity...

6. Let's have something like a bscscan where every transaction can be tracked so we know where our tokens vanished to if something funny happens.

I bet it, naira will appreciate tremendously if this happens...

Note: e-naira is a cryptocurrency built on the Hyperledger Fabric Blockchain which is an open source block chain targeting financial houses and governments.

Never thought men would have an issue with the movie, c'mon it's just a movie !

SegFault:
He was disappointed in man for doing what he knew man would do, he was disappointed in man for falling due to a flaw he put in man. This makes zero sense friend.

Don't misquote me, man did not fall. Man decided to ride or die with Eve because of the love he has for Eve and that's not a flaw. That's a characteristic of the Almighty Himself. He could have destroyed them both and created another set of humans but the Almighty decided to redeem them against all odds. That's absolute love and only one with the spirit of God can love to that capacity and that's why love is the greatest commandment.

[quote author=udoji2021 post=103248922][/quote]This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man,

Satan didn't deceive man, Satan deceived the woman (Eve). Adam decided to fall with his wife because of the love he has for her than watch her being destroyed.
1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen?
He was disappointed in man. From the beginning, God made every animal in twos but made only Adam and left Eve inside Adam because he knew what would happen after Eve is created.
Genesis 1:27 (KJV) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
By not separating Adam and Eve, God gave Adam time to rule the earth and name all the creatures. After God saw the loneliness was too much for man, he brought Eve out from his ribs but he already had a plan in place to redeem man.
1 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
Also see Ephesians 1:4-5 and Romans 8: 29-30
1 Peter says that God has ordained Christ to be the lamb before the foundation of the earth but manifested him in the latter days.

Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?
Yes because Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?
There's life after death so be careful for every action.
Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.


2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.
Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Matthew 24:35 (KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?
They will be judged according to their conscience. Did they do good? Did they love their brother ?
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.
It's good to seek answers. May God open your eyes of understanding.

Emmzy201:
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I would really love to have a chat with you
this is my WhatsApp number
I love geeks like you

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DAVE1010:
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Try duckduckgo, they pride themselves on not tracking users and not censoring information

ifiokjohn:
Please I don't understand and want to learn. does Ships move upside down at the bottom of the oceans? please educate me more

I used to think if the earth is flat why then Planes can fly out of the earth.
I mean if u check the world map , after passing all those body of water, where next do u go?
if u understand what I mean

I used to think if the earth is flat why then Planes can fly out of the earth.
2 reasons why this can't happen:
i. The planes fly at a height of about 30 - 38,000ft. There's still plenty of room up there for flying.
ii. There's an actual firmament sealing us in here. I added an illustration for good effect. Please note that nobody has an actual photo because we dont have the resources to go up there and take first hand pictures and those who do are bent on lying to us with computer generated images.

I mean if u check the world map , after passing all those body of water, where next do u go?
If I get you right, you mean on the flat earth.
Just like Auguste Picarde said, the earth has upturned edges, the upturned edges are now known as the ice walls of Antarctica so thinking of what lies beyond the wall? You cant find out for these reasons:
i. Think of the wall like the ice wall in Game of Thrones which is so powerful and huge, it will take more than the flood of Noah to flood it over. So if I were you, I won't even think of adventuring beyond the wall which you cant sef.
ii. Another reason is reason is you need special permit to go to antarctica (the wall) which no one will give you and the points which are closest to human dwellings are guarded by huge ships which wont allow anyone pass without authorisation.