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CodeTemplar:
Even the scripture you quoted tell us the riches in heaven can't be eaten up by moth or corrupted so your question is baseless.

Read and stop arguing like a baby high on something.
where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.

See, I understand the scripture I quoted.

Don't ignore the fact that you were told to "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth" (I hope you understand what this means)

CodeTemplar:
Your question here is like asking Bill Gates why he works so hard when he is has so much? He needs his money to keep flowing in big time because he has plans for big things. How will a Christian ever own a medium sized factory if he doesn't acquire wealth?
As for the question of why acquire wealth when saints have it in heaven, can the one in heaven be used to do. charity on earth? Use what God gave you now.

Wow! I never knew Bill Gates is now a Christian

The reasons Christians build factories is further selfish needs alone

Last time I checked, Bill Gates gives the most to the needy. "I heard" he also plans to give all his wealth to charity (something your gee ho*s can't do)

CodeTemplar:
The question here is that of a JSS business studies class. If Christians don't think of acquiring (saving up) or laying wealth somewhere how are they ever going to build factories, and capital intensive ventures? can a factory be built with a months salary?

One of the key strategy of the devil is the attack of the finance of the saint and that was highlighted in Mathew 13:22 where the gospel of Jesus is received but the cares of this life ( mostly money ) chokes the word.
This is why the devil will always attack the finance of saints/church.

Are they not building the factories for their self benefit alone? Please don't mention that the workers also benefit from it.

I'm talking about acquiring wealth for their selfish needs to acquire luxury.

Please don't quote me if you can't bring out points from the example I stated. Your points are baseless without them.

Originakalokalo:
What I was saying is that children of God can have wealth.... It is their birthright because silver and gold belong to God...

However, we should not allow money to control us... We should be ready to forsake all for him when asked.

My God is the owner of silver and gold.

You should notice that I mentioned that they shouldn't acquire it for their selfish needs, they should give almost all they have to those in need.

Pointguardusa:
Religion is not the problem of Africa. Study these pictures and you will see that iceland, one of the most happiest countries in the world is a CHRISTIAN STATE. Nigeria indentifies as a secular state but not Iceland. Then why is Iceland better than Nigeria and having the best educational system in the world. That country has almost ZERO crimes. THEY FOLLOW GOD AND THEY ARE BLESSED. EVEN AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON GODLY PRINCIPLES. READ THE PREMABLE OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL AND THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. You will find 'ONE NATION UNDER GOD', 'CREATED', and 'CREATOR'.

Now in Nigeria we also have Christians too but The next sentence will address this problem .

The problem of the black man is the black man. Where were we when the white man was making scientific discoveries? African leaders sold their subjects to the whites for guns and mirrors. Isn't that what some present African leaders are doing today?

The problem of African is simply a mentality that takes root from ignorance. Some people blame religion but I ask, we're people not religious begore the coming of the Europeans? We're people not sacrificing virgins because of a lunar eclipse which was tagged the 'anger of the gods'?

The white man that came never looked for virgins to sacrifice when they saw an eclipse because they had knowledge. They knew what it was. They were simply not ignorant.

IGONORANCE IS THE PROBLEM OF AFRICA. SOME MANY OUT OF SCHOOL CHILDREN IN THE CONTINENT. SO MANY ALMAJIRIS IN THE COUNTRY


KNOWLEDGE = DEVELOPMENT!



One of the pictures below is the rank of world's happiest countries from wikipedia.

Take a look at the people in these countries

Do they carry megaphone to disturb the neighbourhood?
Do they go to the river to bath to recover lost glory?
Do they go to mountains to pray for miracles
Do they give prophesies which are just normal reasoning?
Do they have 5 churches in every street?
Do they take their sick citizen to churches instead of hospitals?
Do they attempt to kill their children because they were called witches by their pastors?
Do they have more churches than hospitals
Do their pastors boast that they're dangerously rich
Do they curse you for not doing what hey want?
Will they tell you to strip naked for healing?
Do their gee ho*s have schools thir members can't afford
Do their gee ho*s curse them for not paying money

These are some of the reasons religion is the problem of Africa

Let me tell you something, because they go to church goes not mean their god exist, they only do it because it's their way of life

Their god doesn't exist, so going to church does not change anything about their progress

They just go to church, listen to sermon, then go do their normal daily activities

Should I now burst your bubble, the pie charts in the images you posted is only religious people and their religions, the only exception I see is Iceland and United States
See the real percentage or religious and nonreligious countries here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country

Pointguardusa:
Pls head over to the religion section and view this topic



CHRISTIANITY IS NOT THE PROBLEM OF AFRICA!

Uhmmm
Okay

CodeTemplar:
At the bold part I stopped reading. If God says Christians shouldn't acquire wealth then what should Christians eat, wear, and use?

God is talking about the virtue that answers to wealth and not wealth itself. To understand that second scripture passage, ask yourself, do the spend money in heaven? No.
It is talking about your riches as a spiritual being. it means you should labour not to have reserve in the physical but have reserve in heaven ( spiritually ) and follow Jesus. Then all you need can be met. Notice I said need and not wants.

I'm not talking about money to get shelter nor feed
If you read my post well, you'll understand what I mean
I even gave examples sef

So, you've not said anything meaningful here

Originakalokalo:
Abraham was a Friend of God, yet he was rich.

There are rich children of God.

Riches is dangerous, yes. But for a true son of God who has been trained in humility, sacrifice and love,

Riches cannot corrupt him. Money controls a lot of people.... a child of God controls money instead.

The rich guy told Jesus that he had kept all the commandments of God.... Jesus told him to sell all his properties and give them to the poor and follow him.

He went away from Jesus sorrowful.

If Abraham can offer to use his son as a sacrifice for God,

He can as well pass the test Jesus gave to that rich guy. Abraham would sell all his properties and follow God...

Job lost all and he followed God...


It is not bad for a child of God to be rich " If the money is not his God"

The moment money becomes the God of a Christian, he is finished.

Let me drop a shocker.... God can give money to a man to punish him, while he withholds wealth from his own....

...until they are "fit " to handle it.

This has not answered my question

Why do you acquire wealth when you have enough in heaven
I gave examples of what I mean yet you didn't say anything on them.

P.S your god does not give or withhold money

finalboss:
dnt forget anas09

Yeahhh

finalboss:
One of the geeh*es said this, i m dangerously Rich

He is dangerously stealing from dangerously gullible people

originakalokalo jesusjnr propastorchris OLAADEGBU

Where are the Christian defenders?

CAPSLOCKED:
I HAVE A VIDEO OF AN ISLAMIC SCHOLAR PROMISING THEM THAT EACH OF THE 7 VIRGINS COME WITH 77 MORE, AND EACH OF THE 77 COME WITH ANOTHER 77. THAT IS, 7 X 77 X 77 NUMBER OF VIRGINS. HAHA.. EXCESS SEX. HYMEN BREAKAGE AND PUSŚY POPPING EVERYWHERE!

Wawu! 7×77×77 Virgin pu§§ies, "everywhere bloód" XD XD XD
All these Muslims go enjoy taya
Make them sha leave the ones wey dey earth for us make we enjoy

Okay!
It's been over a month since I logged on to nairaland and I can see that lots have happened.
Well, I'm back with a question for the theists.
I'll talk more on the Christian side because that's where I transitioned from.

What I want to talk about today is the book of
Eccl. 12:8 which says "Vanity of vanity, says the Preacher; all is vanity".
I also wanna add
Matthew 6:19 and 20 which says "19: Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.
20: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal".

These passages clearly states that Christians shouldn't acquire wealth.
But what I see in Christians is the opposite.
They are always interested in acquiring wealth. They are so obsessed with money.

Let's take a look at their "gee ho*s." They fly in private jets, luxurious cars, big mansions, low-key live in luxury. Now, let's talk about their members, many people who live luxurious lives are Christians, CEO of different companies who are always eager to create more companies to make more money and live the "big man" lives.

What baffles me the most is that these people are not ready to help their fellow human, they only care about themselves, many don't even help their extended families. Even if they want to help people, they don't even give up to 5% of what they have to the needy.

There's even this my "hardcore Christian" female co-worker who was asking me if Lawyers earn huge salary just because a lawyer was "toasting" her. I was like, damn!

Since your god said you shouldn't acquire treasures here on earth, that they are all vanities. He has promised you riches in heaven, a land with streets of gold. Why do you guys acquire all these things.

Just leave them for we atheists that don't have riches waiting for us in heaven. You should even share the ones you have sef, I can send my account details XD XD XD

Sometimes, I even feel all these "gee hoes" are atheists who just wanna feed on the insanity of theists (confirm business, you don't even pay taxes XD XD)

What I have to say about the Muslims is that
"I heard" you guys are promised 7 virgins in heaven, why not leave these Virgins to bleep here on hearth name, since we don't have 7 Virgins waiting for us in heaven XD XD XD

CreepyBlackpool:
The Annointing is like an STD
It is sexually transmitted.

I was about to say this

hahn:
The irony is that when you criticize their beliefs they are quick to say "live and let live".

They claim to worship a loving god but are so bitter and intolerant of anyone who does not share their belief.

The only time theists unite is against atheists. The other times they are fighting among themselves

100% true
Even theists of the same religion fight each other

Confused set of humans

Greatzeus:
bla bla bla bla
Sorry can't read your self delusional poo , what makes you think I give a 45 out of 50 about your self deluded life, Rather care about a wall gecko or sparrow or roaches or something

Okay sir

Niflheim:
"I can't believe it that that guy does not believe in my God who created the earth with his voice!!!"........says the Christian who does not believe in the hawaiian goddess who created a volcano with a flying v%gina!!!

I believe the latter but I do not believe the former

Hakeem12:
This reminds me of something that happened where I used to live. One fateful night, a neighbour of mine, a lady ran out of her room screaming her head out. Apparently, she had had a bad dream. She said she dreamt everyone living in the house died, that in her dream, we all slept and didn't wake up. The other neighbours were thrown into panic and they all woke up others sleeping and said to gather in front of the house for prayer. They knocked on my door last and told me what had happened. I laughed it off and told em I don't believe in such things, nor do I believe in prayers or existence of any god. They were stunned and one even threatened I wouldn't wake up the next day if I refused to join em in prayers that night. They went ahead and prayed for like an hour, some wailing, some speaking in tongues and all. I just kept laughing through it all.

The next day, they all gathered outside to thank whoever they had been praying to the previous night for letting them see another day. I walked past them and greeted them, none of them responded. I was like "wow, for people who just finished praying." One of them blurted out saying I was an Antichrist and possessed. In short, they ostracized me and wouldn't talk to me anymore nor reply my greetings after that. I had to move out, since I got no time for drama and negativity. These days I just keep my belief to myself mostly since Nigerians are very sensitive on religious issues.

In their mind, they'll be thinking you're the one who want to kill them at night LMAO!
Their way of reasoning baffles me

Greatzeus:
You are accusing people of changing their attitude towards you as a result of your religious inclination or non inclination but you are calling another person's basis of faith imaginary? Isn't that contradictory to the peace you preach? You don't believe in God,no problem,you are replying someone by calling his God imaginary,even when he hasn't cast any aversion towards your own belief? Isn't that hypocritical and ignorance
What makes you different from Boko Haram who wants everyone to practice their faith by attacking others? You just attack an innocent worshipper by calling his God imaginary, during a discourse that didn't warrant it.
Guy you are a joker seriously,first I don't believe you are an atheist. If you are tell us the day you became an antheist,what lead to it and the moment you know you are now an antheist.
Most of you are suffering from bang wagon effect (just like many Christian's and moslems too). You found some folks on Nairaland saying they are atheists and boom,you jumped on the van. You are using atheism as a defence mechanism to fight back against your unconsciously deep seated belief that God has failed you and you need to fight back by denying him.
Atheist ko asstheist night mtcheeeew

His god is imaginary is my opinion towards it, did I pick up a fight or hate him? Bro, understand something before putting your mouth biko.
For your information, I do not need you to practice my faith because I don't have a faith, we atheists don't need anything from you, or have you seen any atheist with megaphone disturbing the neighbourhood? We only voice out out opinion without violence. You theists are the violent ones.

Dude, I just have to tell you to shut up for your last statement, what do you even know about me, what do you even know about atheism? We don't follow bandwagon, we are thinkers. Theists are the ones who follow bandwagon.

You just spewed trash, go pick it up and put it in the bin. #KEEPNIGERIACLEAN

Samogbo1:
Good day to all nairaland intellectuals,

Several times, I've seen and heard Muslim clerics using "God" in a phrase were "Allah" is meant to be mentioned.
...I have read books, been to different religious seminars, mixed up with theological scholars concerning their views about Allah and God.

Most times the muslim clergies don't consider the aforementioned clause(God) to be different from their belief of Allah as their supreme.

From my views and educational attainments so far, it's very glaring that GOD being acknowledged as "trinity" by its xtain adherents as opposed to Islam, cannot replace "Allah" for any reason.

Listening to a general speech delivery by both renowned Muslim veterans like Alh. Muh'd Saad Abubakar and Alh. Sanusi Lamido Sanusi who normally use the phrase interchangeably, am always confused regards to what I've already known concerning Allah and God, thus breeds the question...

Is Allah and God the same

I will appreciate the contributions of all knowledgeable persons that comes across this thread. Thanks in advance!

I believe the term God is a title or sorta
Yahweh is the God of the Christians while Allah is the God of the Muslims.

CAPSLOCKED:
NO. BUT I CAN TWERK.

My guy

Originality007:
but we are blacks now

This got me laughing real hard!

panafrican:
Would they be Christians or Muslims ?

No, they will be ChrisMus (heard the term in a comedy skit I watched)

pressplay411:
I understand you very well. Trust me, with PMA I was doing OK for myself physically. It waa my soul that was just miserable.
And yesz it started with my disappointment with God, which turned to anger with God and eventually complete denial and disbelief in His existence.
I wish you would read my earlier posts here especially 2016-17.

Any way, the ultimate truth is to Live and let live.
If atheism works for you in everything, by all means continue.
If you know it doesn't, I only present what eventually worked and is working for me.

Have a blessed year HardGuyHardGuy

Your soul was miserable, that has nothing to do with you being an atheist, it's your personal issue.

Whatever rows your boat bro

Besides, I don't need blessings, save it for your theist friends.
Thank you

hakeem4:
Well I face this almost everyday and the next thing I hear is “ I pray god doesn’t show you how mighty he is “

I'm sure the quoted is in a negative way
That's the only thing their god is capable of doing, doing evil.
If any slight natural bad thing happen to you, they'll attribute it to their god at work LMAO!
Anytime they want to show you their spiritual things, they only want to show you evil like death and some others, they can't even think of doing something good to you like getting a good job and some other good things.

Bunch of evil doers.

pressplay411:
One thing I've come to realise is, Understanding is the difference between a believer and an unbeliever.
I've told you some of the deep things that turn people's lives around. Yet, what I'm saying is different from what you're hearing.
Because Understanding only comes from the Holy Spirit.
Its called a language veil.
There are verses that explain this but if I post them, you will not see the sense in them, but take offense in them.

I didn't want to mention it before but the truth is I was as cynical as you not so long ago.
Church wasn't working for me again and I turned by back on God. I became an atheist.
The only reason I contributed on this post is because I can relate as all the questions posed were the things I went through. I used to be very scared of expressing my atheism because I didn't want to lose my job.
But eventually I couldn't hide it anymore and I became quite vocal about it.
The Christians clearly saw me as the damned.
A lot of my colleagues hurled insults at me. Some also tried to evangelise to convert me.
But I was so far gone, I even shook their own faith and nearly converted them instead.

But when I turned 30 years old, I felt so miserable. I felt so cursed, even though I didn't believe in curses. I just knew I was far from where I thought I'd be . in fact I didn't let anyone celebrate my birthday.

I believe that made me become desperate for a solution.
Luckily the desperation didn't take me to the wrong places. It made me curious about the efficacy of Jesus Christ.
I eventually sought Wisdom and it pointed me to Christ and led me to a church. And that's how my journey began.
In one year, I became a testimony in the church, in my family and office. The rest they say is history.

You could conclude that my desperation made me become gullible. But truly, my humbled desperation made me qualify for salvation.
It is what Christ explained in the Beatitudes.

Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted.

I've said so much already.
I have no ulterior motive by trying to explain these things to you.
Only want to liberate your mind.
The deception is to think everyone else is foolish to worship God and only few of you are the wise atheists to know that God does not exist. Truly, the reverse is the case. I luckily didn't learn this the hardest way. Some people do.

All the best to you bro.

Church didn't work for you, so you turned your back against God. You didn't become an atheist brother, you were just an hater of god because atheists don't even believe it exists not to talk of hating it
When you turned 30, you felt so miserable and cursed. This happened to you personally, it doesn't happen to Atheists, because those who converted from theism to atheism have more peace of mind than when they were theists.

In a nutshell, because you had problems, you believed your atheism caused it, so when you became a Christian all things turned around for good. To be honest with you, if you never thought about god or jesus and work towards achieving your goal, you are going to achieve it without them. Things didn't turn around for your good because you became a Christian but it's because you believe that's where your liberation lies and when you joined them you started thinking positively and worked well towards achieving your goal.

juanomowa:
Lol I don't fall under that category.

Hmm Okay

pressplay411:
That's the mystery and paradox of Godliness.
It always looks like we're doing it ourselves. But it is God in us, working through us.

I used to wonder why Christians did that, attributing what they did to God.
Today, I truly am humbled to do the same.
All of the Glory truly belongs to Him. It is a dangerous mistake to take God's glory.

Like I always say, you can't explain Christianity adeqiately. Christ can only be experienced personally.
Truth is, you can't appreciate God until you need Him.
I had to come to the point of realising my emptiness, loss and wild goose chase without God before I could humble myself to try Him and submit to Him.

My life turnt 180 ever since.

Only when good things (most are normal things) happen, you give the credit to your god, but when something bad happens even after you prayed, you'll start giving filthy excuses.

A typical religionist.

pressplay411:
Don't look at people as your standard. Everyone has his weakness. But look on to Christ.
I know where I was, the things I had no control over.
But today, I can't believe my level of self-control, all thanks to the Grace that works in me.

It is not grace bro, you did it yourself
There are a lot of Christians who still don't have that self control

pressplay411:
Most theists are truly hypocrites.
On that we agree.
That's why it's not about the laws but the state of your own heart.

Both theists and atheists flout laws.
But once one is truly saved and fears God, he lives in love.
Love (as taught and exemplified by Jesus Christ) makes you something else.
You no longer need laws to avoid evil.
You certainly no longer need laws to do good.

The whole of the gospel of Christ is to enmesh Love into human nature. It's to make a human being overcome things that control him and make him susceptible to do wrong.
If you will be honest there are things you want to stop, things you hate to do, but you find yourself unable to stop.
This is really what laws expose. Our lack of self control.

God helps us all.

One does not need your jesus to show love, it is a personal thing bro.
Do you even know how many pastors fight over supremacy, how many church members fight each other. So much hatred over people of other religion or belief system.
Bro please have a rethink.

spongeisback:
This is what religion does to the mind of its adherents. You would see someone doing good and they would say "it's because of God am doing this oh" they don't believe humans can be good without any reward or gain.

This is so true! I've heard this phrase times without numbers.