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Myer:
Far from it.lol it's not natural.
You know my stance on covid already so no need to explain further.

she is right none the less. Same thing with HIV AIDS they keep mutating, such mutation or micro evolution if not macro leads to them crossing species they can infect hence their capability to infect homo sapiens.

shaybebaby:
The context of the question here is life on earth, where creationists attritube to their God. The excerpt above answers the question ergo, life was provably seeded on earth by asteroids during the Earth's early years.

Extremophiles that can survive radiation and even space environment lend credence to this theory.

I honestly think, the belief that life is created is because we humans seek to claim being special than other life forms, we do not want to accept we are just animals

shaybebaby:
Panspermia is but one of a few theories and the presence of extremophiles on earth challenges our understanding of the conditions under which life could survive.

I'm not a scientist but in light of discoveries constantly being made by the scientific community, it is a possibility as opposed to creationism which has no observable evidence nor clues other than words written in a book.

the bolded is exactly the point I am making... there is absolutely no evidence or rationale behind the believe in creationism

shaybebaby:
Omicron

good answer actually.

Myer:
I have solved this puzzle. Most evolutionists believe the oldest organism is the algae and from it all other organisms can be traced.

your citations?

doggedfighter:
Close quietly,here they would have been fighting everyone in their neighbourhood for


declining membership and conducting fire services to fight imaginary enemies causing members to backslide.

lol

Myer:
If I may ask what do you believe is the oldest organism that all other organisms can be traced to.

I don't know

Hugoempirecargo:
So WHAT created animals

And please don't tell me the evolved also

they evolved. Or do you have a better explanation?

Myer:
I had to suppress my basic instinct to retort.

Now my argument is not that I believe in evolution.
You posed a question which I proffered an answer to.

Evolutionists believe all living organisms are off-shoots of the algae. Tha algae being the oldest living creature in all existence because it is the only known creature that doesnt need to be born or created. It only needs the right conditions and it is formed and then probably natural selection ensued as time progressed and other creatures were formed.

hmmm... this is so flawed. Citations needed please

Steep:
This is just a proof that organism can survive in extreme environments not a proof of evolution nor that life originate from non living things.

true. I love contributions like this. You are absolutely right. But if the rocks they are found on can be proven not to be from earth, I think that gives another dimension to the situation, not that it proves that life evolved from non living things but it raises more questions

shaybebaby:
From space, probably contained within asteroids that bombarded and helped shape early Earth.

[b]Moreover, the bacterium, Deinococcus, can tolerate nuclear reactor radiation (Huyghe, 1998), even though the survival rate in these conditions would be expected to be virtually nil. In addition, various microbial spores have been isolated from the outermost reaches of the Earth's atmosphere (Wainwright et al., 2003). Lastly, exobiological experiments (BIOPAN and EXPOSE), (Horneck et al., 2010; Meeßen et al., 2015) executed in the International Space Station, demonstrated that spores of bacteria (Bacillus subtilis and Chroococcidiopsis) and of lichen (Xanthoria elegans) could survive being exposed to a space environment which included extreme low temperatures and pressures (acidophile), solar radiation, and cosmic rays (Nicholson et al., 2000; Mancinelli, 2014).

Extremophiles which are chemolithoautotrophs (meaning that these microbes obtain their energy from inorganic compounds, e.g., H2, NH3, S0, S2–, Fe2+ etc) make their “living” at the edges of extreme environments. In addition, some extremophiles can live for long durations—for example, the oldest micro-organism to have been isolated is a halotolerant bacterium from a 250 million-year-old primary salt crystal (Vreeland et al., 2000). Chemolithoautotrophic extremophiles utilize inorganic molecules, for example, H2 and CO2, for energy and as a source of carbon and thus are thought to be the vanguard of the origins of life (Lane, 2005).[/b]

Pauli E. Laine, Sohan Jheeta, in Habitability of the Universe Before Earth, 2018

thanks

Myer:
On this we certainly agree.
Yet honesty is meant to be a natural fruit of the spirit from the Spirit of Truth lol
While the father of lies is the devil.

he cant even defend his religion.

Myer:
Explain then why most parts of US and UK have successfully eliminated the plasmodium parasite from their cities.

It's mostly in Africa that we are still dealing with malaria. Cos we have a useless govt that knows the solution but seems to be profiting off the virus and pharmaceuticals coys.

I'm AA so I'm very susceptible to malaria.
I dont see which malaria I've not been able to treat with Artemisinin.

you know the answer already

Myer:
I was hoping you'll say that.
Let me elucidate you and help you with some much needed unveilings;
This is who you are meant to be as a Christian with the Holyspirit;

1. John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

2. 1 Corinthians 12:1 - 11
1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: 2You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
4There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

3. Mark 16:17-18
17And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

it is a waste trying to explain to a fool. Please ignore that guy. He is absolutely dishonest to himself

Myer:
From this, other forms of evolution malaria has seemingly undergone are speculative. Imagine dating it back millions of years ago?

From 5000 years ago, the only malaria we know is the plasmodium which hasn't evolved since then.

Over a five year period, the scientists grew and nurtured a strain of Plasmodium parasite that they knew did not have any resistance to artemisinin. Every so often during this period they gave the colony of parasites a small amount of artemisinin. They hypothesised that sooner or later an artemisinin resistant parasite would emerge because of the selection pressure of the drug (the pressure to adapt in order to survive!). Sure enough, after four years of exposure to the drug, artemisinin resistant parasites were seen. With DNA sequencing they were then able to study the genome of the resistant parasites and compare them to the genome of the original, non-resistant strain of Plasmodium.

They found several genetic changes in the resistant parasite genome but the most significant one occurred bang in the middle of the previously-identified regions on chromosome 13, in a gene? called kelch13.

Extract

hupernikao:
No don't mix it up.

You are an untrained psychologist.
Know this, know peace.

ok sir. So how has your religion made the world a better place? Why do you want use to be born again? What do we gain?

hupernikao:
Whatever question you have now, open another thread and call me in. I have securely achieve my aim here. And I will keep that focus alone.

And for the record, you aren't an atheist, you are an untrained psychologist who just have a score to settle with God and NL has giving you a platform as fighting ring.


After realizing that atheists have no obligation to better the world, is this your next tactic? Why not address the issue of what your bible expects you to contribute to the world which you have not been able to. You have not even bettered the lives of your church members talk less of making the world a better place
Epèlé Sir.

hahahaha. I am not an atheist I am a Christian are u happy now

hupernikao:
Whatever question you have now, open another thread and call me in. I have securely achieve my aim here. And I will keep that focus alone.

And for the record, you aren't an atheist, you are an untrained psychologist who just have a score to settle with God and NL has giving you a platform as fighting ring.

Epèlé Sir.

u sha want me to open another thread. Why are u running? U want a fresh start abi

hupernikao:
I guess you are speaking for yourself based on false information you held as a Bible reader. This is obvious in the fact that you are not even able to differentiate a life in Christ from other things.


And for the second time, I have told you that I don't attack atheist, not anyone. Questioning someone isn't an attack. Your partner HardMirror has used a million unprinted word for me here, did you see me trail that line with him? So where did you see the attack. Am sure you are just thinking it just in your head.

People like HardMirror, the solution to their challenges is to question them, they will start speaking swahili as he has done since yesterday. Then later he will shout Jesus.

And also Sir, I hope you will take time to start knowing what Christianity truly is about. This will help your assumptions.

talkative. Show me the question you have asked that I have not answered. It is unprintable not unprinted

hupernikao:
Problem solver. If I asked you now which problem have you solved as an individual, you will japaa again. You are still struggling with a single question since yesterday. Better be careful before I vex for you and give you question that will last you a lifetime

I am an atheist not a Christian. It is your religion that has high and mighty claims of making humanity better. Or you don't read your bible? Ain't you supposed to be the salt of the earth? An atheist makes no such claims, I can live my life as uselessly as I want, but your own religion claims to make the world a better place which is a big fat lie

Can you kindly tell us why you want lordreed to be a Christian? As if your religion will make his life better in any way. Go and first better the lifestyle of your church members before you start inviting us to join your cult

hupernikao:
Pèlé untrained psychologist.

No one is seeking validation. It's a clown that seek such.

If all you are dwelling on for a whole year is seeking validation, your journey is still far then. But I know, in due time, your eyes will clear like the surface of the morning dew collected over a pool.

useless senseless, profitless talk as usual. How has christianity benefited 2billion Christians already? Look around you, look at Nigerian which problem is ur religion solving? NOTHING

Myer:
Loool so harsh.
Your point is simply what I've been trying to let him see.

Christian's are no different from anyone else in reality.
But biblically, they should be.

Just like those practising other religions according to their own Holy books should be different from the reality we see today.

The true Hinduist, Buddhist,Confucian, Traditionalists etc also believe they are supposed to be the better people than others but guess what in reality they are just as greedy, selfish, dishonest, sexually perverted,etc just as most Christian's and Muslims.

So it begs the question, instead of focusing your attention on atheists, why not look inward and see why your own religion- Christianity for Hupernikao, has failed to live up to it's promise and standard.

exactly

Myer:
Can you mention one that has evolved?
If possible with a link?

https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evolution-of-drug-resistance-in-malaria-parasite-96645809/
If you want more recent information on same malaria parasite

Myer:
Can you mention one that has evolved?
If possible with a link?

malaria for example https://www.malariasite.com/history-parasites/ and this is true for ALLL, I MEAN ALL VIRUSES, BACTERIA, PARACITES KNOWN TO MAN

Myer:
I didnt say it doesn't exist.
I meant it's political mechanism.

It's an artificially generated virus.

I meant using it as a basis for this argument we're having is not really acceptable. I'd rather we stick to natural phenomena.

covid or not, all viruses and bacteria are evolving actively that is the most important thing. Every single human is born with more than 10 mutations.

hupernikao:
You are still repeating exactly what I said. In Christianity, newness of life is the receiving and the walking in and by the spirit.

even if lordreed converts to your religion, it in no way validates your religion. After all 2billion people already practice christianity in various forms yet they have not been able to show that God benefits mankind in any way. Christians are terrible, ordinary, useless as every other human being on earth be it muslims, Hindus, or even atheists your god has in no way made you better humans

Hugoempirecargo:
Who created the animals?

we evolved over time. What do you mean by who? Why not WHAT? you mean a human must have created life? Is that why you use the word WHO? So you mean humans first existed then created animals? Because you asking WHO created animals means, you think a human created all animals and it is impossible for animals to exist if a human did not create them.

Myer:
Pls Covid is not a verifiable fact.
It's a political one.lol

It was written about since over 30 years ago before it was "created"
US needed to oust Trump and there was no other way to achieve that so they introduced the coronavirus.

covid is verifiable. It is IMPOSSIBLE to fake a disease existing or not. You know why? Any one can purchase the right equipment and carryout tests even at home. Do you know how many biochemist, microbiologists, virologists etc we have around the world? You cannot just make up a disease these days and not be busted within 24hours. Please ditch that conspiracy and let's be real with ourselves.

By the way covid is not the only disease evolving. Every single virus and bacteria known to man are constantly mutating

LordReed:
He claimed he had foreseen all atheism ending in Nairaland on 1st Jan 2020 and staked his account on it.

hehehehe. Religion is declining and he is seeing atheism end? Hahaha

2elliot:
Man who has been able to build complex things whether it be chaos or harmony should have no difficulty believing in an intelligent God as creator of everything complex whether it be a chaos or order. By no chance has a car come about, neither a plane, a house or anything created by man.

key word here is BELIEF. Why should we belief in s creator. What creator?

Myer:
Well, you do not have proof of your own belief too.
So technically no one belief is absolute.

While I understand that creationism is a bit far-fetched, I think it's ok to allow those who don't believe in evolution theory to have something they believe in.

it is not a belief

Myer:
As much as I used to believe in Evolution theory, I came across a question that I could not answer;

If Evolution theory is true, how come we have not seen any animal evolve after all this years?

What's your take on this?

because the challenge as changes are ridiculously small. Look at the Corona virus, di you see how much it has evolved in just a year