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Martinez39:
It's easy. Anyone that left christianity never really knew Jesus and was never a true christian. I could say anyone that leaves atheism was never a true atheist.

Question is, how much do you know about HardMirror to conclude that he didn't know his stuff as a christian?

bro i have decided not to reply any of them again. Bunch of daft dimwits

Shepherd00:
Ah, but you said Jesus does not heal nah.
Brother, what really happened?

You got broken somewhere. Was it someone you trusted so much? Where you disappointed hence became discouraged?

There's no shame in this, I almost fell out too, indeed, at one point I became so discouraged that Church service became empty rituals for me. I went back into sin. But thank God Christ had me personally. If I saw Jesus through that man, I wld ve long gone. But, my Spirit kept crying out and I got restored.
Pls share, it helps.

Listen, you May not come back to Christ, but someone can learn and be forewarned of these people who parades as Pastors. Pls.

yes jesus does not heal. I have been an atheist since 2013 all those miracle i tot were miracles i have experienced all without praying. I fall ill regularly like most people but not taken any medication form about ten years now. I used to think it was jesu healing me, but till date i still recover easily within hours of falling ill. If jesus could heal, his healing wont be selective. He would heal amputees too

Martinez39:
This is not a contest between who was the better christian. You are trying to make this discussion a contest between HardMirror and I on who was the better christian. I never compared myself to HardMirror in any way. I never attempted it. If I did, show me? How can my last post be seen as a comparison of some sort if you are not foolish? You really have to drop this disgusting pride of yours. It's all for nothing and will take you no where. Being a strong christian like HardMirror was isn't something to brag about, even HardMirror will agree. Being a strong christian like him is a waste of time, energy and precious moments that could have been spent enjoying himself or doing something productive. Being a strong christian like him is just a mockery of self. I was once a strong christian but I regret it and I left christianity when I was 20. I could have spent my teenage years enjoying my life and making realistic decisions but it's alright, nothing spoil.

You just have to wake up and start asking yourself the appropriate questions. You seem ever ready to delude yourself and maintain your delusion. I can't believe one will live in this world and behold it's suffering and still maintain that god exists. Apart from that, where is the proof of god? Where is the proof of any miracle? Do you know Jesus never existed? Start asking the right questions and be sincere with yourself. Being the strong christian and glorifying yourself over that is not an accomplishment instead it is the immense effort at self mockery.

i agee totally bro. This is not a contest and it fails to even prove he has a defence for his belief

jesusjnr:
You said swinging between this and that, so my response thus stands.

ok

Shepherd00:
These people, did you know them before and after their claims?

And did what they claimed permanent? Like where the sick ones went on being sick or after their claims you kept seeing them healed?

No vex o

sure. I am one. Have friends too. Totally "healed" in many cases.

jesusjnr:
Bookmark mine that you'd swing before her!

i did not say she will stop being a christian. I said expect a major drama related to her faith which cld me losing it or taking up a funny doctrine. Watch it

jesusjnr:
Don't worry about her, for God has got her covered.

You know for her to believe you, and leave her faith, it meant you were really convincing.

But for her to come back to her faith, meant that she had gotten something more convincing than anything you got.

So don't worry about her, she'll be fine.

that is how it always starts. Bookmark my post. She does not know what she believes either way. As christian or atheist she will keep swinging

sonmvayina:
This is almost like the thread I created some time ago titled "the letter killeth".. Like I said in it, there is no story in the bible that is literal. They are all spiritual stories.. And need to be viewed with the eye of the spirit.. That said,i am 10000000% certain that jesus never existed.. It is just a story that was developed from ancient tales about marduk who was the son of Enki, the lugal dimmer ankia which means the divine king of heaven and earth.. None of the gospel writters, show any evidence of meeting any jesus nor do they know anybody who met him, they are completely far and withdrawn from the story they are telling... They never said they believed the story they are telling or how the story affected their life...

See the book "the jesus the jews never knew" and jesus-the greatest story ever sold...

then that is a big problem for christianity. If all stories are nothing but stories with spiritual intent. Then they could as well be worthless as they lack authority.

jesusjnr:
Sorry that I had to keep you waiting for this long, for I can remember the first time you mentioned me, with the XxsabrinaxX moniker.

But I just followed you to get an idea of who you were, just to be sure of who I was gonna be dealing with.

Hence I was there when anas tried to tanish my rep before you, and also when Michellekabod1 rose to my defence.

And it was during your exchanges with Anas which turned acrimonious, that I really got to see the extent of a wicked Christian anas was which Michelle had been trying to tell me all the while but I wouldn't listen as I thought she was a good person.

And I also saw your response, and to be honest you did well in the way you reacted to her vitriol.

And don't let me even talk about that eliziel whatever guy that perfectly illustrates everything that's gone wrong with the church.

And then your change of moniker to iamsabrina, to your being one of the first to come to my thread about how Christians spread atheism etc.

So I've had my eyes on you in that sense even though I've not had a conversation with you yet, so I wasn't surprised with your response yesterday, to my claim of hearing God speak to me in an audible voice and so on.

So where do we start from?

as for michelle, she is just starting. I am expecting more drama from her this year

jesusjnr:
Sorry that I had to keep you waiting for this long, for I can remember the first time you mentioned me, with the XxsabrinaxX moniker.

But I just followed you to get an idea of who you were, just to be sure of who I was gonna be dealing with.

Hence I was there when anas tried to tanish my rep before you, and also when Michellekabod1 rose to my defence.

And it was during your exchanges with Anas which turned acrimonious, that I really got to see the extent of a wicked Christian anas was which Michelle had been trying to tell me all the while but I wouldn't listen as I thought she was a good person.

And I also saw your response, and to be honest you did well in the way you reacted to her vitriol.

And don't let me even talk about that eliziel whatever guy that perfectly illustrates everything that's gone wrong with the church.

And then your change of moniker to iamsabrina, to your being one of the first to come to my thread about how Christians spread atheism etc.

So I've had my eyes on you in that sense even though I've not had a conversation with you yet, so I wasn't surprised with your response yesterday, to my claim of hearing God speak to me in an audible voice and so on.

So where do we start from?

you call anas a christian? Pls that is an insult to thos who are trying to live christlike. Anas and that other hag called ehmmm what is her name again... are nothing christ like. Imagine one of them was following babalawo (doubt you were on nairaland when babalawos was active) she was always defending him whenever i attcked him. Such people are even worse than unbelievers.

Lol

Martinez39:
is he dead?

Shepherd00:
Na, no be fight nah. Why una like quarrel like this here. I am not an expert on anything o. I just dey read dey ask questions.


And, in all your pastoral years, you never saw Jesus heal anyone? No any indication that He existed?

No vex just ansa me.

cant count how many people who claimed to have been healed. They say jesus healed them, but it was not jesus. Jesus cant heal

Shepherd00:
But, did you try putting your own faith to work unbehalf of that crippled man?

Reading your retorts here, it seems you didn't really know how to go about receiving from whom you claimed you believed.

Are you sure you really Knew Him?, becos without faith, no man can actually receive from God. Everyone who came to Jesus for healing answered a question, 'Do you believe I can do this?'.

Did you?

be typing rubbish everyone has become an expert on who i am and what i was. If i did not have faith he could get healed why will i go after him? Are you sure you even know what faith is?

jesusjnr:
No wonder you were Michelle's favorite atheist, for now you have also become my favorite atheist, but that's not gonna be for long though, for reasons you already know of.

Really nice meeting you, for i'm already feeling as though I've met a spiritual brother in truth, so start packing your things, because you're soon back coming home.

not an accomplishment for me. I just want to live my life with no lies. Anything i post here is to challenge people to think not score points.

Shepherd00:
And how did I do that? I only perceived you were rather glorifying yourself before hardmirror instead of Christ.

hedonism everything is about self. Christians think they are serving god but truth is they are serving themselves

jesusjnr:
Don't worry you'll remember all these you said when you finally get your proof, okay?

you dont get it. I have seen it all.

jesusjnr:
I would say maybe 85-90% but not hundred as I have done, that I can assure you, otherwise you'd never be a fake mirror that only reflects lies and perversions of the truth.

So next time let it be a hundred percent, so that we won't end up with even a worse mirror than hardmirror, Lol!

i said i have heard you nau. Lol

Martinez39:
Don't mind them. Despite knowing the "saved by grace" then, I still strived to live a christ-like life. Many christians around me used god like a joker card : they have premarital sex anyhow and then play the "god will forgive and he is merciful" card. They are the same ones that will condemn us for not being "true" christians or never understanding the word of God or Jesus in that first place. Bloody jokers.

bro it is just so funny.

jesusjnr:
So who should I tell if it indeed doesn't exist as you say?

I know yours is not just an excuse though.

i am a free being god shld fvck itself. Afterall it was created by men. Been an athiest sinve 2013 and i dont miss shit from god. I see the world as it is. Whenever i. Like i go to church, yes i some times go to church for the fun of it or along with family. Life is good with the freedom i have. Stvpid me of the past is long gone.

jesusjnr:
But you didn't, and I have, but it's exactly the otherwise!

i hear u. I didnt.... lol. You make me laugh

jesusjnr:
I agree with you hardmirror, it's possible, but they'd rather not want to commit that extent to God.

So you see why God wants you back?

i have told you time and time again. All you need is give this god your 100% then you will see the lies

jesusjnr:
You don't understand me but the more you speak, the more you show to me why God is so interested in you.

Something you don't seem to have any idea of in spite of all your wisdom and knowledge, is that when a prayer is offered to God, that the answers to such prayers doesn't come at a time when one expects it doesn't automatically mean that God does not exist, or has stopped to exist.

For the ways God operates is much different from man's ways, and so the time someone's prayer could come to God's remembrance might even be when the person has already forgotten about it and giving up on God ever answering it.

So just maybe it's all those your prayers during that time that has finally come to God's remembrance, that He wants to answer now.

And regardless of what you say, i certainly that the attitude and unwilling ways of "Christians" certainly played a significant role in your decision, either directly or indirectly, for at least if they were as those of the first church, then you most def would have remained and still be a part of the church up till your dying day.

lets blame men. God is always right. Right? Lol!!! Your god does not exist. Go tell it that i said so.

Martinez39:
Exactly. Ex-christian atheists I have met were really what people would call "spirikoko" or "pastor". They know the bible very well. Watching ?moderates(dishonest assholes who never take their religion seriously and readily live a "sinful" life) and newbies say that we were not real christians or we never really knew the word of god is really laughable.

Christians who have read the bible and don't like kidding themselves become atheists. I am sure in your journey to dumping christianity you must have asked yourself "why don't these christians take these obvious awesome promises and parts of the bible seriously?" later you realised that it was all bullshit and they knew it but they weren't honest to admit it. They even love their delusions and cook up excuses for the bible and god. They cook up excuses why they don't and shouldn't follow certain parts of the bible or they just ignore those parts.

Jesusjnr2, by now I expect you to start asking for proof and evidence for the god you serve. Wake up. You don't want to ask for clear cut evidence because you know, deep within you, there is none and you don't want to have your delusion destroyed.

dont mind them. I can boldly say it. I lived almost 2years without commitig a single sin. But i know they willargue cos they are allliving in sin. They think it is impossible to be righteous. Bloody liars

jesusjnr:
So would you be if God finally gives you the proof of His existence that you've been seeking all these while?

For I know you would definitely get it, and therefore that you'd definitely come back to Him, but you that said that talk is cheap, is making us to talk too much, as you seem unwilling to wait a little for that power to come.

till then.

jesusjnr:
Thank you for at least acknowledging that much!

I am indeed a babe and would continue to be a babe until i get to where only babes go.

exactly what i used to say too. Bro, continue i have no interest in you losing faith. I will keep challenging your messages tho and those of others. They are lies if you want to continue in lies, fine, but it wont make me not to call them out. A dog is more useful to me now than your God. So just forget About me ever becoming a christian again. All your posts are not even enlightening they are just the normal bulllcrap any christian wld say. They would never read or learn anything outside the bible because they all think including you that knowledge is satanic. Keep it up. Unlike you, i know all you can ever preach and i know what thinkers, satanists, budhists, hindus and much more have to say. I read anything and everything and i think over what they say. You are not even close to saying anything thought provoking just the usual rants anyone who is deluded would make. You are no different from boko haram who would not take a break and question their belief. You are just like them. Ignorant arrogant and primitive

jesusjnr:
Yeah! like Jesus had when He said it to Peter His disciple.

Any one that allows himself to be used by the devil to frustrate the efforts of God to bring back His creation to Him is worthy of being told, rebuked as such.

That's why the likes of hardmirror left their faith in God because of unchristlike Christians as yourself, who don't care about the sheep, but their own selfish interests.

You shouldn't have come here in the first place, if you knew that you had nothing positive or good to offer, for even hardmirror an atheist knew who I meant by the Jesusmirror.

But of course you had to be your usual unchristlike christian self, to spoil one's effort to bring the sheep of the Master which had gone astray, back to Him, as characteristic.

So "get thee behind me Satan" for the second time, just in case you didn't get it the first time, for your useless presence here is unwelcomed!

Tempers indeed!

#nonspiritualsense!

you see? You think you know me but you dont. I did not leave christianity because of anyone. I left for myself and by myself. After reading a lot and being honest with myself on questions on my belief and experience with God. It was eveb hard. Took me a year struggling and praying and thinking i will be stronger. Naaah. What a fraud of a religion. Fraud fraud fraud it is. The bible and all are based on man's creation. Nothing supernatural in it all. All none sense. The holy spirit, salvation, power, speaking in tongues, faith all crap. You think they mean anything because you are a chicken in its cage just comfy with your delusion of life.

jesusjnr:
Point of correction, you've never been in my own shoes, came close but I repeat never!

For if you had, you would never become an atheist, and reflect the lies, and false images of the truth as you're currently doing?

For I have certainly been where you are, but you've never been in mine, for once you get to where I am, it is finished!

For i'm speaking from personal experience, and have been through the ups and downs as many of those who've walked with God in the past have done, but there's a point where you get to that Satan knows that you are lost to him forever, and though you came close, but you never got there.

That's why there's something as a "pastor turned atheist", but you'd never hear of a "Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Elijah, David, Joshua, Job, John the baptist, Peter, John, James, Stephen, etc., turned atheist, never I say!

So there's an extent of God you'd experience that even if you're offered the whole world to trade for that, you'd strongly rebuke the devil as Jesus did, because you've seen much, much, better and greater than any thing else.

So that's a delusion hardmirror to think you've ever been where I am, for maybe you came that close, but no cigar as they say.

i hear you. You are a great christian indeed. You have no idea. You just being arrogant. Yet know nothing. I read your posts, you are a babe

jesusjnr:
So maybe that's why you have not been entrusted with such yet, because you need to be as an ignorant babe to be able to earn that trust.

And when I say as an ignorant babe, I also mean as a Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego etc., for though they were ten times wiser than their peers, they humbled themselves before God as babes who knew nothing, hence God extent of unmatched revelation to them.

So you must needs do same to be given same.

lol. No i am past that. Once was a babe not any more. I will read anything now and ponder over it. Truth shld not be shy from knowledge. Only crooks use the strategy christianity is using. I am done being a fool.

jesusjnr:
In spite of the fact that I believe that you have some of the prerequisites for God to entrust you with power to do works, I still think you need to grow down, and become as a little child to be able to understand that the modus operandi the Kingdom of God are opposed to that of the world.

Otherwise how would you explain the fact that God hides mysteries of the Kingdom of God from the "wise and the prudent", but reveals unto babes?

Maybe you know too much as the "wise and prudent" to have access to such exclusive revelations, and hence have to learn to humble yourself and become as us the "babes" to be able to do so.

Remember it's also the "babes" and not "the wise and the prudent" that were also entrusted with such extent of power to do the works that you so crave for.

So maybe you are actually the one with primitive knowledge with respect of the kingdom of God, and hence need to humble yourself and learn from the "babes", ignorant and unlearned Peter, John, James, etc.

But as for that topic, you can go there to see my contribution to it days ago and come back to tell me what you think about it.

all these are not wise words, they are foolishness. To say god hide secrets from the wise and reveals them to the simple is foolishness. These very words are the excuses that covers the folly of religion. I wld rather read all manner of books and not just the bible to know what is true. But when you stick with just one material and refuse to consider what others have to say, how can you vlain to be wise?
Were the Mayans right with human sacrifices? Imagine if they refused to hear and consider the opinions of others. They will still believe good harvest is only possible when you appease the gods with human sacrifice.

Imagine if muslims refuse to listen to anything christian how whld they become christians?

Everyone thinks he has all the answers until they are humble enough to really listen to what others are saying.

Until you truely are honest enough to actually try and see what people say are wrong with your religion, you are only being stubborn and ignorant.

jesusjnr:
Well why don't you wait and see between the two of us who's truly clutching at straws hardmirror?

Perhaps you don't know yet that it's not everyone that God goes out of His way to bring to His fold, as He's doing in your own instance, for there are those few that God thinks He simply cannot allow to end up outside of His fold, such as the centurion in the Bible, because He sees Himself and what He desires in them.

And that's what I've seen in you hard mirror that has confirmed my previous beliefs, and makes me so confident that your case is already sealed, signed, but only waiting to be delivered.

Remember the outcome of this doesn't depend on you, but on if God proves His existence or not to you right?

So watch this space!

i have done all these things before. All what you are saying sounds like me some years back. I am done with God and all those concocted stuff. I am convinced beyond measure that there is no true man-god connect as described by your religion (tho you will claim christianity is not a religion) i encourage you to serve this god with your everything. Dont deviate do all the bible requires of you, give your 100% and soon you will see the truth. Only those who are dishonest stay religious. Fact! Only dishonesty makes you not to ask God questions on why his supposed words dont add up in reality. Only dishonesty makes you see a lot of contradictions in the bible and ignore them.

jesusjnr:
So now you see why I was initially reluctant to answer hardmirror or your question, and asked him to wait for the power of God to speak for itself?

For of what use has my sincere answering of the question now become to you?

But it has only led to your questioning of my sincere answer to the question, because it's from my own experience and not yours.

Mind you, it wasn't hearing the audible voice of God that made me to believe that He existed, for I believed God existed to a rare degree long before that.

So hearing God speak in an audible voice, is only but a confirmation of the rigid belief I long held not just in His existence, but also in Him.

lets see, read this topic and contribute to it https://www.nairaland.com/5077495/mystical-christianity-loj-perspective. Your level of reasoning is still at a primitive stage honestly. You are not versed in actual history and your ideologies are not broadened enough to understand the importance of philosophy and logic to religious interpretations. Contribute to that topic and lets see what you know

jesusjnr:
So now you see why I was initially reluctant to answer hardmirror or your question, and asked him to wait for the power of God to speak for itself?

For of what use has my sincere answering of the question now become to you?

But it has only led to your questioning of my sincere answer to the question, because it's from my own experience and not yours.

Mind you, it wasn't hearing the audible voice of God that made me to believe that He existed, for I believed God existed to a rare degree long before that.

So hearing God speak in an audible voice, is only but a confirmation of the rigid belief I long held not just in His existence, but also in Him.

bro. Honestly you are clutching on straw. If we shld discuss off nairaland you will see how worthless what you are saying here is