₦airaland Forum

Michellekabod:
Good day to all the atheists on nairaland. I am not an atheist but an agnostic. I was a christian, until the last quarter of this year. As a person,i dont support abortion (not because of any norm or doctrine); the reason being that am EMPATHETIC to a fault....
I was conversing with a pregnant teen who asked for my opinion on whether she should proceed with the pregnancy or not. I gave her my humble opinion which was a NO.
She gave me a you-are-a-hypocrite type of gaze and spewed out "i thought you are not a christian or muslim so why say no? It is only those in the christian and muslim faith that frown at abortions". I slapped my thighs in laughter at her folly, you know theists can never cease to make carricature of themselves
I am certain she is wrong, that you dont have to be an adherent of either of two religion to be pro-life. Pro-life has to do with personal beliefs and not just theists.
I want to know what atheists think on the issue of abortion. Is your take on the issue collective as atheists or you have varying opinions?

you are very right. Principles we live by are shaped by different factors. For some it is religion, for others it is from their culture, for some others it is self developed maybe through experiences or just because of our personality. It could also be a combination of several factors.

I would find it difficult if not impossible to about a child that is mine. Not because it is morally wrong for me but because it is subjectively wrong for me. In this case it is subjective because this choice is hinged on my perception that the child is mine and that it is human as much as i am.

On second thoughts, when does life really start? Can i also say my sperms are babies and when i ejacullate i am wasting lives?
Does the baby have consciousness or is it self aware? At what point does the baby become self aware and i can be said to be denying it a chance at life.

If the baby is not self aware, it cannot have a desire to live and if killed i had taken nothing away from the child.

Now i am just complicating things...

In the end, do what is right based on your best judgement. Sometimes it is better to just abort the child and save it the unfortunate realities of life

OkunrinOloro:
Idiots everywhere as far as the eye can see. I blame Christians for allowing themselves to be triggered by human dung beetles.

it is not my fault that your god is only powerful in the bible.

toyosi20188:
I guess you can do that....only if you had been born before the creation of the world. Why didn't ask what Adam and Eve were thinking when they ate the forbidden fruit.Did they think the fruit was dessert? Or did Cain think Abel's blood was fertilizer when he shed his blood? Now, mankind face the repercussions and you blame GOD.

of ccos he cannot just as ur god cant do shit too. You know why?

Story/fictional characters dont jump out of books to manifest the powers they possess in the story book

Originakalokalo:
See the one you called useless....

(Revelation 1 )
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10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

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12 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

This is the one you called useless...

He defended a woman caught in adultery... and stopped people from stoning her to death...

When all her accusers have gone he said to her. .

I have not condemned you... Go and sin no more.

This is who you call useless...

A leper asked him to heal his leprosy... If Jesus will.

Jesus demonstrated willingness and compassion.

He didn't say a word....He touched his leprosy.

He identified with his leprosy.

This is he you call useless.

It is a pity.

ordinary words and made up stories. U are clueless

jidemoh:
You mean to say........"when it is clearly stated and WRITTEN there in BOLD capital letters that the story is not true but a satire"

thanks. How i managed to make that blunder is beyond me

highpriestess:
Really dude.

really. Point out the immorality i am encouraging here

AnonymousBee:
I look before I reap,, keeping sex away from relationship help you to sieve out in serious peers. Sex is not a big thing but I can't indulge in it with playboys that view ladies as intimate objects.

good. Which is what i think too (for those who are heading towards marriage) but for a lady to think that the reason a guy would marry he is cos she has denied him sex, that is a very fooolish way to think

highpriestess:
Obviously.

be specific what is immoral in what i said?

highpriestess:
Nope.
We need to have some self respect.

Whether religious or otherwise.
Moral is moral.

so am i encouraging immorality?

highpriestess:
Read my post clearly.
Yes, if he can't contain his sexual urge, he can find someone that can give him that, it's simple.


Talking about marriage, how long will you keep sleeping with a girl before you find the one meant for You?

Let's have some morals please.

u mean christian morals?

highpriestess:
So, what you are saying in essence is that relationship is all about "him and not about "us"

The two parties should come to a cognitive understanding about their sexual orientations and if the guy refuses to adhere to the abstinence option, then, he should go find his match.
Simple.

so you knew it was about 'us' but you want to close legs while he shld carry your own matter for head since he does not have his own life to live. He came to the world to satisfy your longing for marriage

highpriestess:
A man that has good intention for you won't leave cos of sex, if he leaves ; then, it's safe to say that he's just their for the cookie.



So, I didn't make a mistake.

wrong. What if sex was on his most important things list? Or it is wrong also to have sex as on of those things you wld want in a relationship that wld lead to marraige? Dont worry sef. Close ur legs well he will propose because of that

AryEmber:
You see? They all say virginity is over rated but when you say to them, let's stop sex for a while or till marriage, they ask you, are you a virgin? What a screwed up world we are in!

abegi. Guys are getting married everyday 99% of those girls you see getting married everyday are not virgins and we marry them all the same and love them as they are. Stop all this childishness only kids are looking for virgins. Men even assume u aint a virgin until you tell them you are

WORDWORLD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcmHkDhtOto

loj hahn capslocked you need to watch this video. So funny

1Sharon:
But a man has to give husbandly duties to his girlfriend abi? Most of you no sex before marriage crew are so hypocritical

what is even the big deal in having sex? How many ladies are virgins at the time of their marriage. Why deny the one guy you want to marry just because you think it would make him hurry up as if sex is all he wants to marry her for

Eponymous:
It isn't a matter of whether or not I know someone whose eyes have been opened it is a matter of whether or not people's eyes have been opened by spirit filled people and if people have been healed by these very same people.

so? Which is it?

Tallesty1:
You're taking this too seriously.


There's one thing Nigerians still don't seem to understand, "that people can date without having plans or any intention of marrying each other".

If marriage is your priority then you should follow Toks advice but wait........ Aren't the ladies supporting Toks the very ones shouting that marriage is overrated? If marriage is overrated and one's happiness should come first then why don't we just fvck? Fvck completes happiness.

I mean, have you seen someone that gets regular and good sex? Did you not notice happy they're?

My point is this, Both Toks and hardmirror are right...... The topic is dual edged. If you're a religious person who is family oriented and wants to settle down asaply then follow Toks.

If on the other hand you don't believe in God or you don't have religion or maybe you've a religion but your source of moral guidance is very weak then just fvck.


Do what works for you, not fucking your boyfriend won't guarantee marriage, fucking him won't stop him for marrying you, what will be will be.

Good sex can actually make a man propose.


If a lady denies me sex before marriage and I discover after marriage that she has this type of vagina that she shape scares me.



I will just say I no do again.


Finally.


If you like, give him sex.

If you like, starve yourself thinking that you're doing him.


A guy who wants to fvck will fvck.

god bless u jare. I don tire for this people. Why wld anyone thinking starving a guy of sex would make him quickly propose.

Saffi:
You don’t want to get married, yet you are advising women on what to do to get married? Does that make sense? I’m not going back and forth with you, we are clearly not on the same page.

look around you, do you have friends that are married? how many of them married as virgins. oya! be honest.

Saffi:
I feel sorry for any woman that will listen to you. The babes that have you given you countless of styles and action, you’ve not married them. You’ll tell me it’s for other reasons, but the truth remains that you’ve chopped the babe finish and there’s nothing to look forward to in the marriage hence why you didn’t marry them. A guy will put up with a flawed babe if she’s more of a challenge and there’s a lot to look forward to.

you see? You people think everyone is like you. I dont plan getting married, i do girls that think like me. Infact i dont hang around religious people they seem stvpid to me. As for my friends the are all christians or muslims and almost all of them had sex with their babes and still married them. Let us stop deceiving ourselves very very few people practised no sex before marriage . It is very stvpid to think that closing your legs would make a guy rush to marry you. Is he getting married to you because he is sex starved? That is the question you should ask yourself

LordReed:
Was it 200? Wow. Really sad.

Edit: just checked its 115. Still sad.

it was over 200. That 115 was just to downplay the severity of the incidence

Saffi:
Giving them sex but how often and how soon? Were they performing wifely duties for their boyfriends continuously? Did they give everything for free without a ring? I think that’s exactly what toks was trying to say, because of course most couples of this generation have sex at least a few time before marriage, but it’s the way you go about if. I don’t expect you guys to agree with him, most of you want to chop everything for free without comitment but actions will always speak louder than words. You’re saying girls make sex such a special thing, but a lot of guys get married for easy access to it. The average guy places so much importance to sex, we’re only acting accordingly.

see this issue is simple. Sex is not a factor for a guy that will marry you. Simple. All other things are just too much talk

Toks2008:
Your thread is dead on arrival cos you did not even comprehend my thread in the first place.

1. Is sex outside marriage right in the first instance?

2. Is discussing marriage the same as proposing marriage.

I don't use vulgar words online but you are a confirmed olodo.

yes sex outside marriage is right. It only wrong for u christians and other related religions.

2. Yes discussing marriage is the same as proposal. In fact it is more advanced than proposal. Why should u be making plans and discussing marriage with a girl you have not proposed to?

You are a confirm olodo not me.

highpriestess:
I kinda of agree with toks2008.

If we ladies should stop opening for guys, I think they will hasten up with whatever plans they have or leave the relationship.

is this a joke? so a guy would commit to marriage because of sex? sex that a hundred other girls would give for free? this must be a joke. so a guy would hurry up because he want to have sex with you. then if he does not enjoy the sex i guess he would also hasten to divorce you. smh. #fishbrains

Saffi:
You have given him sex from the first month of knowing you. Given him all the styles and never denied him sex, what’s there to look for in marriage? I think what toks was trying to say is stop giving wifely duties to boyfriends. It doesn’t make sense. You have to be strategic when it comes to getting married, I’m so sorry. In this generation of lazy laid back men who do not want commitment if you’re not strategic you’ll have egg splattered all over your face.

Now if after a year, both of you are of a certain age let’s say mid to late 20s and he’s not made any suggestions about marriage, made efforts about taking you the isle, what is he doing? If you’ve shown you’re worthy, and he claims he loves you why is he not taking that extra step? They’re some exceptional cases, but for the most part of a man sees a future with you, he’s not going to waste time and allow the years to go by without putting a ring on it. He’s thinking about children and your fertile years, he’s thinking about other men who could possibly take his place, he’s thinking about the pressure you may receive from family. All I’m saying is that women should be smart and read in between the lines.

many of my married friends infact over 90% of them were having sex with their gf that they are now married and now wives. tell that no sex story to the gods. he wont dump you because you have sex together. he would dump you for other reasons. stop being deceived. you girls make sex so special because it is the only thing most of u offer in the relationship.

Eponymous:
You actually sound more like a misotheist than an atheist, is there something you left out of your infamous conversion story? And we both know how this works, as Solomon said time and chance happens to us all, but for Christians, we get a passkey to this game of life, only in accordance to God's will, And concerning miracles, events such as the blind receiving their sight, amputated limbs regrowing, Are just normal everyday experience that happens to every one.

do you have family members that have experienced this? i have never seen anyone that knows someone that was certified blind but now sees because of prayers. have you?

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that is all i can contribute to this topic. bunch of clowns

Eberechi24:
Low IQ? because I commented on your thread. Truly It was wrong of me to comment on your thread. I am truly sorry, it won't happen again.

Sorry.

another senseless post. please avoid me next time i dont like stvpid comments on my threads. now get lost

Originakalokalo:
Okay.

lol. are you out of curses. i am enjoying them.

Originakalokalo:
I am not tb Joshua.

Let me speak as a man....


This is who I am....

*I am a King, dressed and adorned in the glory and Majesty of the most high God

I am an ordained prophet of Elohim.

Recognized, sanctioned and empowered by the God of the heavens.

He, the most high himself, has empowered me to declare his counsel to many. I am a spiritual gaint.*

That is who I am.

The most high God told me,

That the sin of anyone I retain is retained.

..and the sin of whoever I declare forgiven is forgiven.


In your case, you have been very unfortunate today.

I hope others will learn from this.

funny thing is you dont even know what wld happen to you in the next hour, yet you are here claiming to be something when u are nothing. Clown

Originakalokalo:
I have a message for you....


*All your blasphemy has reached the high heavens.

All your sins are hereby retained!!! Your heart is hereby hardened till the end if time.

You are done, and your iniquities are not pardoned. The mercy of the Almighty is henceforth withdrawn from you*


Don't bother to listen to, or argue with any preacher anymore ..

It won't profit you.

The mouthpiece of the Most High Has Spoken.

So it shall be. Nothing shall reverse it.

same way tb joshua was busy having fake messages for people and never got the message that his own building will collapse and kill a whooping 200 people! Lol.

Originakalokalo:
I will use this opportunity to warn all the blasphemers on this thread to desist.

God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ask me to tell you to desist from blaspheming.

He is a consuming fire, the God of the dreadful cherubims and the hosts of heaven.

Stop!

Search for the truth and argue your belief without insulting the Creator of the Universe.

Your time is ticking fast...


I hope you all have ears?

ask him to send the dreadful cherubims to borno to deal with boko haram. Lol!

You guys dont think at all. Your god is nothing but fiction.

PEPPERified:
But we already know that Ogun is the skull-mining capital of the world.

better read before you post rubbish