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jesusjnr2:
I couldn't agree with you anymore about the unchristlike Christians hence i'm continually on their neck.

Let me also tell you an experience. After I met Michellekabod1 and followed her on nairaland, one night, some time last late last year, I just saw that someone had shared a post with me, and opened it, and guess what I saw, yes it was hardmirror's "from pastor to atheist..." post.

And although I already knew that atheism was well represented here, it was there and then that it dawned on me the extent to which it gotten in Nairaland.

And I read some part of it, and I'd be honest with you, it shook me a bit.

But then I told God that He had to stand up for Himself, and this was what God said to me that night: "Your part was the hard part, but that you had done it"

In other words God's part was the easy part, so that was not usually the problem but man's part, for men hardly do their part.

Now here's the catch. I told Michellekabod1 about it but she said she wasn't the one that shared it to me, and it was to the extent that I was able to know that she was indeed saying the truth.

So who could have possibly used her account to share me your post on how to turned from pastor to atheist?

I already thought it was God, but after what you said about your compassion to help people I was sure that it was indeed God.

I can understand your frustration and disappointment that God didn't do as you'd asked of Him in certain occasions, but if you remember what Jesus said to His own disciples about how they should not depart until they has been endued with power from on high, before they go and start witnessing the Gospel, you'll understand how important it was for them to have power to back them up.

And then also when you see how church leaders misbehave with very little or no power, you'd understand why God is very cautious to give power to the sons of men.

And then there's the issue of His Word, for the Word of God is in short supply in the church, so it's hard for God to back up the church to the extent He did when the church first started.

you really think God speaks to you?

jesusjnr2:
If you have gone through some of my posts you would see that i'm different, for i'm like you to an extent, as I can't settle for anything less.

And the major reason is because I have given as much as those of those days, so I don't think it would be fair to be given anything less than what they had.

But i didn't need to experience power to believe in God, but I believed and had to wait for a long time about ten years to experience the power. But when it did it was as though it came with a fury.

And so just by the intensity I feel alone in my body, almost every second of the day, even as I conversing with you right now, it's impossible for me to now believe that God doesn't exist, because even before I had such i believed in God to a rare degree, so was it now that I feel an unusual extent of His presence that keeps throwing all over the place that I would now doubt such?

There's something you said that made confirmed that God really had you in mind, and that you're one of the reasons I was sent here, which is your extent of compassion to help those who need help around you, hence I was like, yes!

Because I also have that, even as most of those that God had entrusted with power in the past did, so that convinced me that I was right about you and hadn't made a mistake.

let me tell you an experience. As a christian i discovered that most christians are terrible. They dont give a damn about other people's welfare. And they just gather to celebrate themselves.
A crippled begger once came to our fellowship. They contributed money for him and he left. I did not feel comfy about it at all so i left the church service and went after this crippled man. When i caught up with him. I asked him why he goes around begging. He said he cannot work. I asked him if he did not know God could heal him. He said he knows but it has never worked. His family took him to many men of God before. I was confident God wld heal him and i told him the same. Bro God did not heal him. I dont care the excuses you want to give for God. It ramains that, god does not heal or answer prayers. It is self evident. Christians would laff at you when you trust god for a miracle and it does not come. If you are sick and you choose to pay than take medications and you die. They will call you stvpid. They will say God expects you to be wise. That sounds like God expects you to be faithless. It is a waste trying to talk sense to these people. They shld continue in their folly.

Serve God with all your heart and all your might. You will only remain a christian when you dont put your all into your belief in God. Follow the bible and you will see how worthless it is.

bobowaja:
Hardmirror..... Come back o.

Come and drag some more.

I saw those stupidity, especially from jesusjr and one Buddha guy like that. I just don't hv the strength to type and counter them.

what is budha saying? No point discussing some of jesusjnr's issues here. Just pointless noise

jesusjnr2:
It feels good we could agree on this, so let the power confirm all that's already been said.

so you believe cos you experience the power?

jesusjnr2:
If so, then perhaps i wasn't wrong about you after all, if you indeed have those concerns and want to truly help people, however in my own opinion I don't think talk would be enough for you, because what hasn't been said before that you want to hear from me?

I believe you are one of those who fall into the category of those who wouldn't believe unless they see, so that's what you should wait for, and it just moments away from now, trust me.

exactly. Talk is cheap and i even think we talk too much. Even the bible makes it clear the kingdom of god is not about talk but power

jesusjnr2:
Well if it's pointless for you to let me know if all you need to believe in God is a proof of His existence, then it's absolutely pointless for me to continue this conversation with you.

Because that is very crucial to me, for i'm not here to waste my time on someone who's just using atheism as an excuse to further their rebellious agenda against God, hence the need for such an information.

You seem to be riding on this imaginary figment that it's up to you to determine how someone shares her conversion story, or how people celebrate such a conversion of a sinner/atheist to following Christ, as it is celebrated in heaven, or even how people choose to create and post threads etc, but I have to burst your bubble and put it to you that you highly overestimate yourself, because the only right you have in that respect is nonexistent.

For what if someone's conversion story is just that someone told her about Christ, and she accepted it, for if it's genuine, should that not suffice?

But you are not being sincere with your real intentions as a true reflection of the fake mirror that you are, which can only produce lies and false images, of the truth.

Imagine, you are not interested in people being like you, and you expect me to believe the next word you say.

I may have to apologize to the christians who I used you as an example, to show the kind of people that the church needs, thinking the extent of your commitment to the things of God when you were working for Him, meant you were truly humble and willing, not knowing it's just the opposite, except you had that but have completely lost it overtime in your rebellion.

Keep up with your pretence that you are not disturbed by my effect, despite contradicting yourself by making me the first assignment of your return.

Jesus is the only true mirror, ever other mirror is a counterfeit!

rebellion against what? I have everything to gain if the bible were true. It would be nice to have a relationship with God. It would be nice to have all those promises be true. It would be nice if heaven were real. It would be nice to live forever in a perfect world. So what rebellion are you talking about? I see pain and grief everyday and i wish i could do something for these people, if i had God indeed wont i be able to? So what rebellion are you talking about? As if there is any gain in fighting God. I am saying you have no god.

Tell me 10 things you are absolutely sure about your God. Let us start from there.

This is not about who wins or loses an argument this is about what benefits us in reality

jesusjnr2:
I think you're missing the whole point thinking that all conversion story must be alike and similar to yours.

The most important thing is the genuineness of a conversion, for every other thing is secondary to that, for a conversion story can be perfectly concocted to your taste and yet it be fake.

So the point that it is genuine and whatever you make of it whether to boost egos or not, is absolutely irrelevant here, as the truth of the story is hitting home, which is exactly the objective.

And the same goes for my posts, for it seems you are more concerned about the most insignificant things, for the most important is that it speaks the truth, and once that is settled, the rest is secondary.

You can keep pretending that you don't know which God it is that one is talking about for reasons best known to you, but I can't be fooled, for if you have been part of the system, you can't tell me that you know not the truth.

If so, then is your problem just the proof of God's existence, meaning that if you get that, you would believe in Him?

If that be the case then you'd soon have that, for God let me know that, that is the easy part, but the hard part is my part, and I have done it.

So it is that close, but would you believe is the most important thing to me. For as you can already see, I am not joking here, but here for very serious business, hence I don't cater to atheists who are just using it as a guise to cover up for their rebellious disposition, but only for those who would believe in Him, if they get proof of His existence.

So where do you stand?

it is pointless. You just dont get it. The big question is WHY? I am not diick measuring here. I am not interested in people being like me. I am saying the post is worthless, the celebrations of the christians are worthless. Hurray!!! We are winning more we won one atheist. Then someone converts to become an atheist then atheists also celebrate. These are stvpid celebration. The important thing is telling your story so that we can learn. Why shld i become a christian again? That is the question. Why are you are christian. Why is anyone a muslim, why is anyone an atheist? Do you get it now?

jesusjnr2:
How do you mean they are not matured enough?

And also how did she prove your intuition about her right?

So that I would understand where exactly you're coming from.

And as for the mirror part, something that I like about you is the fact that you are not ready to settle for less, but the best, so to me I'd rather have that than what most of the church folks have.

As you may have seen with several of my mentions of your moniker, in my exchanges of those I call of those spiritually mediocre christians as l would have a hardmirror than most of them.

let us start with her conversion. What is th point? It makes sense when i read story of people becoming christians and they are able to tell you their story and you are able to relate. My story is online and that is not even half the reasons why i dumped religion. These are immature posts just to boast egos and nothing more. You created a topic which rightly states that god can do anything he/it/she wants. But it was just about ego as nothing substantial to it. Anyone can wake up and say god Bleep can do anything. But problem is which god? When god is not defined what are you even talking about?

johnydon22:
Common!!! I was hoping you could drag on some more

no time to look into all the mentions i got while away. Lots of stvpidity to be dealt with. Especially from those kids. Compare your thought provoking topics with the rubbish many of them call threads

tartar9:
Will it be okay to start producing babies just for the sake of organ harvesting or similar reason?
Babies,somewhat,are also our creation.
Be they clones or whatever,they still are humans,with the capabilities of thinking,feeling or whatever characterizes a human.How they were created or came about doesn't matter.

yes we can produce babes and even eat them if we want to. The only reason why we dont is because we chose not to. We have as a society placed value on babies as our hope our future, our extensions. If we allow people to use babies as they please, then we know that it cld get to the turn of our own babies that are so precious to us. Hence why the law will deal with anyone who eats a baby or uses them for organ donations or whatever.
It is all about the interests of the powerful. It is more profitable for us to protect our babies

johnydon22:
A close example would be; Assuming Gods made us, they are not bound by any similar moral constraints as we are. They can do whatever they want with us unless they decide not to? Innit?

exactly. And same thing is the weakness of religion, the fact that religion speaks for gods and yet cannot exhibit the supreme authority we shld expect from access to such higher powers but has to rely on tricks and persuasive methods

jesusjnr2:
Welcome Hardmirror!

Wow!

Finally we meet, after all these while.

It's better late than never, for I believe you're the best of the atheist bunch here, and in my own opinion even better than most Christians here, when you were a Christian for ironically I believe your testimony, and also believe you are one the major reasons I was brought to nairaland, for your case seems very important to God.

Michelle would be pleased to hear that we've finally met, for she said you were the one that made her convert to atheism, so she keenly looked forward to our meeting.

So welcome bro.

So why hardmirror?

i see your messages and topics. I just think they are not matured enough same with that of what is the name of that lady that said she was an atheist and now a christian. She prove that my intuition about her was right. I read btwn the lines.

Hardmirror is a name i chose for reasons you already know. A mirror to see the truth you dont like what you see but you cannot break it and make it go away.

johnydon22:
Don't you think the conceptualization of law and morality as in the world today panders on the weak and less so on the powerful?

sure. As i said, freedom and rights are not absolutes, they are created and given by those who can. It is a delicate balance. We talk about equility. Slavery was only abolished because some of the powerful men like abraham Lincoln took the side of equility. There was nothing any black man could have done about it. Africa was too backward to negotiate the freedom of it's people. Power is everything. Animals remain subject to our mercies. They only have rights we give to them. And humans are at the mercy of forces greater than us. If today there is a solar flare of proportions able to wipe us out, there is nothing we can do about it.
The masses have more power than the elites but they fail to cooporate and seize it because the establishment has succeeded in controlling resources the masses need hence they control the masses, hence they have the power.

Animals can take over the world but they lack the intelligence. A chimp is 3 times stronger than a man of equal weight. But they cant organize themselves.

We can choose to create clones for any purpose we choose as long as they do not have a say and cannot seize power from us. That is reality.

johnydon22:
Don't you think the conceptualization of law and morality as in the world today panders on the weak and less so on the powerful?

sure. As i said, freedom and rights are not absolutes, they are created and given by those who can. It is a delicate balance. We talk about equility. Slavery was only abolished because some of the powerful men like abraham Lincoln took the side of equility. There was nothing any black man could have done about it. Africa was too backward to negotiate the freedom of it's people. Power is everything. Animals remain subject to our mercies. They only have rights we give to them. And humans are at the mercy of forces greater than us. If today there is a solar flare of proportions able to wipe us out, there is nothing we can do about it.
The masses have more power than the elites but they fail to cooporate and seize it because the establishment has succeeded in controlling resources the masses need hence they control the masses, hence they have the power.

Animals can take over the world but they lack the intelligence. A chimp is 3 times stronger than a man of equal weight. But they cant organize themselves

jesusjnr2:
It only costs your repentance and giving your life to Jesus, and you can get it anywhere, even where you presently are.

So every human being on Earth could afford it.

you dont know your religion. Let's discuss

LoJ:
Every significant religion follows the same cycle.

- discovery of a deep truth by a spiritual seeker that leads him to some level of gnosis / union with divinity /enlightenment

- the enlightened shared his perception of truth with people around him

- The people do understand the truth each according to their level. Some do not understand at all. Some even oppose it.

-As opposition increase, the number of adherent also increase. After a certain threshold the new cult becomes mainstream and is tolerated, sometimes accepted by majority.

- The difference of level of understanding creates a plurality of interpretation. This creates a need for established theoretical and theological doctrine.


- rulers and aspiring rulers find in doctrine an opportunity to further their own agenda and political aim.

- the original founder is made into a God or a unique / usually the only or last mouthpiece of God. This ensures that the people will keep united under his banner despite the divergences.

The original truth that was unearthed is at that point made banal and set aside for other more convenient doctrines.

as you rightly pointed, religion starts when someone supposedly discovers a Truth. Usually in a society devoid of this Truth. This Truth is so agreeable and connects with the society where it is now upheld. It becomes a standard for their intellectual evolution and hence seems to be a divine truth. Because of this truth or SET of TRUTHS the initiator is seen to be in connection with higher forces or a custodian of divinity.
This is possible because such high priests are self centered and they actually exhibit pious behavious in order to be highly regarded.
Truth is all scientist and innovators we have had in history could all have started their own religion playing on the ignorance of the society, but because they demystify what they do, they try to help others understand what their work is and do not attribute it to anything mysterious or divine. Then we call it science and philosophy. Our herbalists in africa and the indian native doctors /witchdoctors were not so. They discover herbs and use it to cure people and because of that they claim to be in connection with higher forces. They go into trances taking psychoactive herbs and claim it is spiritual.
History has had great philosophers who took a school approach to their teachings. Mostly the great greek philosophers. The socrates and aristotles. They created what we know today as academies.

Not so for some asian philosophers and african philosophers.

African philosophers such as obatala used his depth of thinking to advance the yoruba philosophy and intellect but he became a god for this.

It is a battle between honesty and dishonesty.
Religion is on the side of dishonesty, philosophy and science is based on honesty and that is why everyone is carried alond and made equal.

Religion is based on division and selfishness. Where a set of people are told they are special and chosen and they base this on little truths that they hold as their foundation but in a bid to proof they are so special, they end up throwing in a lot of lies and exaggerations, lots of legends and stories. They try as much to out do and out class existing religions and cults they are aware of. They still ideas from each other and modify to their own taste.

Only thinkers can understand this. Not religious kids

LUCIFERMYLORD:
OP how much is the mirror and where can I get it??

lol

johnydon22:
Therefore since they are our creations, we hardly owe them any moral obligation innit?

yes except we want to give it to them. And if majority are against it, then we avoid it all together. The powerful side always makes the choices for the weaker. There is no need being politically correct on this

Good topic. I have nothing much to contribute as i dont believe in interests above morals. The clones have no defendable interests and nothing at stake except for our emotional sentiments

Hardwork. When you work real hard and you eat well, sleep will come easy.

Above all a life at peace with itself. If you have true peace of mind, sleep will be your friend

I am done and out

Michellekabod2:
Good evening Nairalanders, am sure you are familiar with the account michellekabod1. It has been a while since I last posted.

All these while, I have been a bit lethargic on this forum due to the fact that I have indulged in sober reflection, and learning, and most of all trying to make it up with my Creator, God almighty, the author and finisher of our faith, the great "I AM".

It obviously would shock many to the bone marrow that I, a former atheist, out of the blue decided to denounce atheism for Christianity.

Not here to coarse or coax anybody, am not an apologist. Just wanna give my testimony.

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Story continues here:

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michellekabod1 michellekabod2 congrats. I dont even know why Christians are glouting over this.

Conversions dont mean anything. The story is what matters. A muslim terrorist becomes a christian and tells the story of why and how. That is what matters -the story.

A christian becomes a muslim. What matters is why and how?

A christian becomes an atheist what matters is the reason, the story.

An atheist becomes a christian. Again what matters is the reason and story.

Only fooools rejoice and feel they are winning because some one has a change of ideology. It does not mean shhit.

What matters is your story and lessons we can all learn from it. When you cannot tell us a story we can all learn and benefit from then all you are doing is called diick measuring and only people with inferiority complex do that.

Let me start with this one

jesusjnr2:
When I see the extent to which mere dust and ashes feel that because they now have brains, that they now have the right to question God their Maker, because He has made them to be any more than the mere sculptures they were before He breathed the breath of life into them which made them to become living souls, i don't really blame them a times because if God the Creator had not trusted them with such ability, what will such ingrates have to question God with?

Because it's just like mere clay questioning the potter for making it into a sculpture and yet destroying the sculpture and grinding it to powder because He didn't like the outcome of it?

But of course that extent of humility is also what has endeared me to God the Creator to this extent, and makes me want to go to any length for Him, even to the death, because only Him can take such nonsense from mere dust and ashes that are only able to question Him because of the brain that He gave to them.

For if not for who God is, na who born man?

Hence this similar question by the famous psalmist, even a man after God's heart, who was also dumbfounded by the extent of God humility with respect to man, that made him ask God the question:

"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him." Psalms 8:4 (KJV)

So what is really this glorified dust and ashes ingrate of a man, that God would yet be mindful of him?

For any right that man had to question God, if he ever had any, he relinquished the very moment he disobeyed the commandment of his Creator and sinned against Him in the beginning.

So regardless of what God chooses to do with him, after his rebellion against Him, man does not have any single right to question Him, because the only reason man is not yet dead is only because of his Creator's grace and mercy, for if not man would have long perished and returned to the dust and ashes that he truly is, and truly deserves to be.

Therefore even though God has decided to consider man's righteousness and obedience of His Word and uses it as a requirement to give man a second chance to have the eternal life and rights he lost as a result of his disobedience in the beginning, it's not that man deserves it, but only because God decided to have mercy on man.

Hence if God decides to take that away from man and goes ahead to destroy every human being from the face of the earth right this very moment, it would not take anything away from Him or make Him any less perfect than He is, because the only reason man isn't yet dead and completely destroyed is because of His grace and mercy.

But anyone who claims to believe in God and yet thinks otherwise, is only a temptation away from rebelling against God His Creator, even as man did in the beginning, because of such a foolish orientation.

Even the bible says there is foolishness in much words. That is exactly the case with this topic. So much blabbling and yet not addressing the issue.


1. God and do any fvcking thing he/she/it wants and we have no right to complain. This is FACT, it is the TRUTH. God owes no one any fvcking thing! PERIOD.

Unfortunately it is stvpid to even start arguing this in the first place when you cannot tell us the following:

1. Who/what is god?
2. How do you know this god?
3. What is the point of defending this god?
4. What exactly do you and your god want for us that necessitates this topic telling us abt god's rights?

If you cannot answer these questions. Then pls just shut the ef up

sorry i guys i have been really busy. I have hundreds of mentions i have not answered to this year. Not been on nairaland except for my last post in politics.

Ok now i see a lot of stupid topics and i dont call them stupid because i want to hate or be unreasonable but because they are nothing but stupid.

From
Michellekabod1
To jesusjnr

Chunning out half truths as topics and it is unfortunate no one is able to expose the truth underlaying these senseless displays. Where do i start from?

HappyPagan:
See work...

all for what?

Tetehjewels:
Chickening out?

Put your money where your mouth is if you are so sure of victory.

I am damn ready to do so.

yes chickening out. Are you happy now?

Tetehjewels:
Well if you trust your so called mathematics then back it up.

Or are you not bold enough to stake on your mathematics?

You can bet to boost your account.

You say Buhari will lose by 1.5m votes or so and I say Atiku will lose with no less than 5m votes.

I am willing to back up my claim. Can you do same about yours?

dick measuring and recklessness

Tetehjewels:
"Of course" meaning you are ready to place a bet on it?

If yes, I propose 1m each and we nominate an escrow mod who can keep the cash for both of us in his account pending results.

Deal?

i mean i respect you opinion. Why shld i be betting with you? To boost my ego or what?

KunleyY19:
Bro I tell you if truly you're a lagosian I know you should be able to remember the only time when Lagos owed salaries was 2005/2006 when OBJ seized Lagos allocations you should know how it crippled the state...just because Tinubu didn't align...


Lagos and SW stand to benefit a lot from the continuation of APC at Federal...

If not it's like taking one step forward and 3 step back...

I rest my case...
E ni to ba gbon!!!
Buhari ni Ohh..
Kama Ba Pada seyin...

ok, that is a good point. But that shows how messed up nigeria is. It shld not be like that

Tetehjewels:
Deal?

of course

Martinez19:
Don't mind them. What do people that believe in Noah's ark know about mathematics?

On a serious note, I would be surprised if Buhari wins again. By now I thought people would start saying enough is enough and snub APC and PDP on levels during any election so that politicians can wake up. That would be a peaceful revolution but even the youths that are suicidal because of the country's harsh standard of living are still flashing "4+4" with their finger and shouting "atikulate." Anyways, I would see how things turn out after voting.

@bold
So na you dey do me?

i knew jonathan was corrupt but did not know buhari was a pretender. He is worse when you consider a man that has double standards like him to someone who was just stvpid like Jonathan.

Tetehjewels:
I have said what I have said. Atiku will lose with no less than 5 million votes. My own maths arrived at that conclusion.

If you feel your maths is better than mine then put your money where your mouth is.

In a few days we will see who takes the others money.

Deal?

good. Just dont call me zombie or wailer or all those rubbish you guys call yourself here. It is stvpid and breeds hate. People shld not be insulted for supporting anyone they choose.