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bigkesh:
Klopp....Didn't he almost relegate Dortmund??
Pep.....He said CFC needs 10 new players according to reports, Our records with possession game is very poor and I can't really see any youth in Bayern's first team.........

So whatyasay?

In fact Dortmund's form was worse than Chelsea's

Spy360:
You forget too early.

You forget that immediately after the team was formed, Wenger had to lose his biggest stars - Overmars, Henry, Vieira, Cole, then later Fabregas, Nasri and van Persie. All these without being able to sign top replacements.

Klopp suffered the same at Dortmund, which eventually led to his resignation. But AW stood by sacrificing his personal ambition for a club he loves.

If the same had happened to Jose, after 06/07; take away Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cole, etc... The legend status would have been worse that it seems now.

Jose would have resigned sef if that happened

Dhelake:
Mourinho is to blame for Mikel career wreck but Fergie is not to blame for Anderson's right?

BTW, I am still waiting for Pep to help the German Messi (Gotze) fulfill his potential, at least, he doesn't have to play in front of a right footed left back

Hehehehehehehehehe

TheGoodJoe:
If they handled flops, does that mean they did not help make top talents better players? What is the logic here?

Guardiola made Messi a better player. There is a full article that detailed a lot of things he did. If Cuenca flopped, dies that mean his work on Messi and Thiago Alcantara is not true?

Does it mean their work at developing players is one off or just a fluke? Or does it mean player development has more to do with the player than the coach?


I leave you with the rest

TheGoodJoe:
If every manager and teacher could do it, why did promising talents with loads of talents fail? Every coach can not bring out the best in a player.

YOU DIG?

Did top managers not handle flops? Likes of Nani, Anderson, Quaresma, Joe Cole and all them...

TheGoodJoe:
I can not answer that question because it does not change the fact that Guardiola made Messi a better player.

Mourinho's slump and flop this season does not change the fact he won the EPL last season.

If u can't answer then it's settled

TheGoodJoe:
Is there anybody saying the bulk does not rest with the coach? We are talking of the impact of the coach spurring the players to do better. Like Henry and Wenger, Messi and Guardiola, CR7 and Ferguson, Villas-Boas and Hulk, Pellegrini And Forlan, Ancelotti and Pirlo etc.

The players still had to listen, follow directions and train.

You lot are saying only pep could make Messi the way he is.

We are saying Messi was already born for this. Pep was for support like any manager or teacher or tutor. You dig?

Same managers handled flops. Is it also the coach that was responsible? Does it make them incompetent?

TheGoodJoe:
If someone kicks a ball and it enters the net, if he kicks the second one and miss, does it mean the first one did not enter.

We are saying Pep made Messi a better player, you are asking if he made Messi a better player, he should make Robben better.

Does that change the fact that he made Messi better?

You haven't answered the question

TheGoodJoe:
So you know "No dey Work Again" that means you are admitting it worked before.

If it worked why isn't it working now?

TheGoodJoe:
It is in class and a teacher teaches well. Some will get it, others will not. Some will go home and do their home work, others will not.

Are you saying Arsene Wenger did not make Henry a better player?

Judging by the bolded,

The bulk of the work rests on the player. Not the coach.

TheGoodJoe:
Does that change the fact it did not work for Messi? By the way, do you know one of Guardiola's reason if wanting to leave Bayern is because he wants more freedom to work. He does not buy the players.

So it is not exactly the same method.

He's failing with robben. His juju no dey work again?

You guys are making it seem like there's one hidden ritual involved in whipping up world bests by managers.

All they do is note particular talents and point them in a direction. Everything else from there is dependent on the player's individual development.


If this is still so hard to comprehend then you guys should start questioning the schools that issued you certificates o

TheGoodJoe:
What about Merida, Denilson and Bendtner. Does that mean Arsene Wenger did not make Henry a better player?

If he made Henry a better player what made it difficult to make these others u mentioned?
Shouldn't be that hard na
abi

TheGoodJoe:
Every coach wants their players to become world best players. There is a difference in wanting and making it happen. Guardiola knew the right steps to take to make Messi improve drastically.

Messi is different


What is Guardiola doing with robben at the moment?

I can bet you it's the same method with Messi and it ain't working

raumdeuter:
Ronald without Ferguson would never even aspire to be the world best he would be content with nutmegging players and making people laugh

Just like what Quaresma is

Ferguson brought out the competitor in him.

Before Ronaldo had no problem with Rooney being better or just contributing to the team, Ferguson brought out the competitive nature in him where he could see himself as better than kaka, Dinho or Messi

What about Nani. He was to be another Ronaldo in the making. Did Fergie's golden touch become impotent on him?

Anderson too? The much touted Ronaldinho replacement

raumdeuter:
harior, spy360, debroslink

Did Wenger make Henry the player he is? Or was he destined for greatness regardless

Like I said earlier, as a good coach, if you notice something special about a player, you can change their role and see as things go from there. Henry was a winger who also scored goals with ease. Why not deploy him as a striker?

Also Wenger had a surplus of wingers at the time. The overmars, ljunberg, pires and Co. Henry stood out because of his goal scoring and was converted to a striker.

Pure logic. Nothing special.

TheGoodJoe:
http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/10/23/3468661/how-messi-went-from-injury-prone-teenager-to-bionic-man[/b]

This is elementary...

Which manager has no plans in place to keep their players fit?

As bad as robben is, he's had a few good seasons with less injury

raumdeuter:
So you are alluding that the pattern which Messi is played in matters to his output? which is why you asked "Argentina do not play the same pattern of football that barca plays". If thats so. messis greatest output has been under Pep's tactics and pattern.

You asked whats special? Those pass machines Xavi and Iniesta got the best out of the system because Pep created the system. Rijkaard was about sending Xavi out because he said Xavi was too small, Pep came made Xavi his midfield general and gave Messi his attacking license to a false 9. You see that and claim it is not special?

Ronaldo was already unleashed at Man Utd. He scored over 40goals at Man Utd under fergie and won his first ballon D or under Ferguson. Ferguson was the one who discovered Ronaldo can do more than being a fancy footwork trickster. Made him the focal point of attack and got 40plus goals out of him.

I can say there wouldnt have been the Ronaldo we know today if there was no Ferguson who moulded him

What did Fergie unleash? Ronaldo was already a beast in the making with or without fergie. That's why he got even better after leaving Man Utd. The ninja simply developed and improved his levels of play.

So you can now claim Messi's development had more to do with Barca's pattern of play rather than Pep waving a magic wand at Messi's feet.

Now how will that pattern work without the likes of Xavi and Iniesta? In other words, Messi won't have racked up all those goals without these guys. Is that what you mean? Those midfield maestros got into form while Pep was coach. How many players has he moulded like that at Bayern? His ass will be blown open when he comes to the EPL.

With Xavi and Iniesta getting into form, which coach would still consign Messi to the wings?

Even Ronaldo left the wings. Its simply common sense and nothing special.

This reminds of ps1 days when those local boys would deploy Roberto Carlos as a 9. Its because of his ability to blitz pass defenders with ease on that particular console. They tried it on ps2 and failed because his shot accuracy there was pathetic. Nothing special just pure logic. If you can score and can run with ease, only a novice will keep you at the wings.

raumdeuter:
Messi wouldnt have been Messi under just any coach. There is a reason why Messi isnt even Messi in Argentina even at his peak

It takes a special playing pattern to make Messi be Messi. At at 2009. Having a 5ft8 striker was rare. Players of Messis build and speed were often used on the wings believing the y cannot thrive between giant central defenders

Pep changed the way Barcelona played, Got rid of all hindrance to Messi in the center of the field and Messi became the goal scoring machine he is

If another coach had left Messi on the wings like most would have. He would never be able to score 40-50-70 goals per season.

Its like saying Ronaldo would have become the great player he is even without Ferguson

Argentina do not play the same pattern of football that barca plays. They also don't play matches week in, week out. And the teammates at Argentina are different from his team at Barca.

Pep began work like Rijkaard did by starting Messi on the wings. Through his development he saw his potential and gave him freedom to roam through as a false 9 while having pass machines like Xavi and Iniesta feed him with great assists. (what is special in this na)

Ronaldo had his best years as a single player at Madrid. Was Ferguson coaching Madrid there? Ronaldo built himself up to the level he is through hardwork and not because of any miracle-working coach

Like some peeps suggested

All vanity in the end

raumdeuter:
What made Messi goal output jump from 17 in 07/08 to 38 in 08/09, 47 in 09/10, 53 in 10/11 and 73 in 11/12

His highest goal tally in a season was under Pep

Messi is a rare footballer seen once a lifetime. His development started under Rijkaard as a winger before Pep took over. Even pep began using Messi as a winger to continue his development before he later moved him gradually as a false 9. All Pep had to do was start him and watch him bloom into a phenomenon. Even my great-grandma would sit down and watch him develop his skills as he grew in age. Pep did nothing special.

Signed in 2005 by Rijkaard - Age 18

(how many young players bang in 38 goals as teenagers in their senior teams?)

Bloomed under Pep - from Age 21

Highest goals scored at Age 26 (roughly time for a striker to begin their peak)


I see nothing special pep did than be privileged to manage a legend. Messi would be messi under any other coach (except maybe Mou)

raumdeuter:
What was Messi's output before Pep. While he was under Rijkaard. How many goals was he scoring per season

He was a teenager then still being monitored and coming on as a sub in some games. Barca was the best team in Europe at the time without Messi. Ronaldinho was the world player of the year at the time.

Spy360:
You could have easily said Pep is his real biological father. I was told you are a serial liar. Now I know.

Nobody, absolutely nobody can lay claim on the phenomenon called Lionel Messi.

You do not need to lie to make a point.

True. Messi played at the U-20 world cup in 2005. We saw the first glimpses of "Maradona" in him under the man in the image below who was the barca coach at the time.

https://im.rediff.com/sports/2013/jul/12messi2.jpg

raumdeuter:
As a Chelsea hater I am more worried now

In recent times when Chelsea have sacked their coach mid season They went on to shake Europe

1. Avram Grant took over mid season and reached the CL final for the first time in Chelsea history

2. Hindick took over mid season and narrowly lost the CL semi in controversial circumstance

3. Di matteo took over mid season and won the CL title for the first time in Chelsea history

4. Benitez took over mid season and won the Europa League title which was another first in Chelsea history

Now I have reasons to be worried since Chelsea just did it again

I thought I was the only one seeing this trend. Now y'all know why I didn't want Jose sacked...

Dymaco:
seriously I foolishly use my school fees to do importation so as to enable make a stream of income but the total cost of shipping and buying female is N2000.
.
I went to market to sell at N2500 wholesale. They said it too cost

me I don enter seriously. January dey approach

Find other buyers

An0nimus:
Oh the euphoria when Arsenal wins the Premier League and/or the Champions League.

Will love to read the subtle changes in stats then. Like from "trophy less in 9 years to 2 FA cups in 11 years" or "one Champions League in the history of the club".

Lol

Thats what the haters are waiting for... A new slogan

sephia:
You must spend money to compete. It's no longer shameful to admit that. Every club spends big now, even Barca.
Ten Mourhinho's wouldn't have won the league cup if they came into the club before Roman bought it.

And while at Porto?

Pwettyella:
I know d details,I just don't see aw it affects u

Nna, I'm only commending the ninja on his 20/20 vision. Why having a dig at me?

nitlad:
In pillorying Mourinho, you guys are inadvertently lending credence to the traducer's voice when he says we "bought our way to success".



Issokay.

No be part of am?

Who wins the league and gets sacked afterwards?


This usually happens at Madrid.

raumdeuter:
Actually Chelsea can now make top 4 and that makes me sad

19 wins from 22 games?

That would be the greatest miracle