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olabrad:
Who cares wether you leave Islam or not?! I don't care!

But know this: Quran is a highly corrupted book
It is also not perfect. It comprises many Arabic versions with each containing different sentences that have different meanings.

Even Aisha, your founder's viictiim, said a goat ate some of the papers on which the so-called revelations were written!

Still really weird of you to talk about corruption of text as a Christian.
Goat ate their memories too?
An average muslim can perfectly recite at least half of the Quran from memory.
You really have lost steams from your arguments.

olabrad:
You told me to do research, whereas, your comment shows that you don't do research. If you do research, you won't be a Muslim again!

Do you know that Arabic Quran already exists in different versions and they differ significantly from one another?!

Go online and compare Hafs and warsh and alduri versions of the Arabic Quran. You'll see that you don't have to translate Quran to another language before it can be corrupted. Qur'an is already corrupted!

So if there are versions of the Quran, I will stop being a Muslim. Weird that this argument is coming from a Christian. So we have left the reading argument. Keep going about, we will get somewhere eventually.

If your husband understands you, he will manage this till you outgrow it. Trust me , you will. Cos eventually, you will have kids and they will hurt you and you will learn to get along regardless.

Mrchippychappy:
But, but but but Israel...Our arab brothers would never do that to black people especially black people who pray 7 times a day just like our arab brothers. The Ummah is one...something something something Bilal

What has Racism and human wickedness has to do with Religion?
Apart from judaism, mention any other religion that gives preference to a race.

olabrad:
Your comparisons are always far from comon seinse.

YHWH didn't COMMAND virgin to conceive. He MADE the virgin to conceive. In the case of your fiake founder. He was commanded by a fiaike angel to do what he couldn't do. Was your fake founder able to read after the fiake angel commanded him?!

No!

This is how you Muslims try to twist facts to deceive.

A religion you need to lie to defend can only be from the devil.

Do a little more research and you will realize ikrah means both read and recite. This is why Arabic text as regards to religion are maintained as Arabic to avoid context clipping. It is for weird people like you. Was he given a text to read following the read command. Between, you believe God cannot make an illiterate to read. Are letters and text not man made and conceptualized from consensus?
A virgin conceive and an illiterate read, which will be a more difficult task for God?

helinues:
That's one of the reasons I can never go into politics because doing the right thing, you are automatically stepping on people's toes. You can't extend a road without demolition, how many of the house owners have the right documents.

How would you resolve those with no proper documents, compensate them or not

Bro... it does not even end there. People deliberately do the wrong things in the country and expect to get away with. This morning, I and my friends were discussing the matter of lands in Lagos. Most people bought fake lands and built on it. They been living there for centuries but does not make it genuine. Yes... the government should make these informations public but the basic requirements centuries ago require that you do due diligence but people will not. The government will come and then they will all scream. Also, on the part of the government, they continue to ignore to gather support until they cannot.

helinues:
Clearing of the road side sellers could make much difference with Lagos traffic

The traffic normally build up when cars are trying to enter Express lane or big lane

This is a very underrated comment. They know but guess who votes for them. Also, a lot of us will scream victimization.

PassingShot:
Changan cars are very solid and loaded with more modern features.

And no new cars get to need serious maintenance until after 3 to 5 years.

The Chinese are doing wonderfully well in the automobile aspect.

If I were you, I won't think twice about this.

I was coming to say this.

I have got a brand new skoda kodiaq and based on their history, you should not even expect maintenance for another 5-7 years.

However, OP planned to import a used one which is risky.

olabrad:
Yes, Jesus was black. In your shialow mind, he can't be black because his mother wasn't black. In your shialow mind, God needs to have intercourse with Mary before Jesus could be born! Muslims and intercourses sha!!!

And yes, I know my book. That's why I know that your founder was not sent by YHWH. He is a deceiver trying to force himself on the God of Israel! He stole all the names in my book and lied that they are people of alllllah!

Are you not intelligent enough to maintain a thread? At least, that you can do.

God can command a virgin to conceive but cannot command an illiterate to read. Where is the sense in that statement of yours?

You are talking to someone who believe God just need say be, and it is. Thinks intercourse is required to conceive? Where in my argument have you seen that stated?

Jesus was born by one person, He would go and pick the feature of a race not in the lineage of that one person?. Try get sense small naa. You think his blackness will not have been very significant in the middle east enough to be documented. Reason small naa.
You have to refer to a book of signs, literally, to assume his race. You are at least over 18. Reason like an adult chief.

Yes, Jacob wrestle, dem no wrestle am back right?. Yet, you conveniently ignored the other verse. Welldone.

olabrad:
I knew you would use that as a cover up!

I just showed you where he was pressed down and almost strangled by a so-called angel!

Your founder encountered angel from hel, not angel from heaven

But you typed beaten yourself. I did not type it.

Good you mentioned that my reference to ipob and USA was an analogy. It is even far from direct comparison. There might be hope in your comprehension yet.

In a century where there is no technology like radio or phone. A voice suddenly appears out of no where, expect anyone to feel tremendous fear.

Apart from these... maybe go read Genesis 32 and Daniel 10 before you back here to spew these garbage.

Like I said. You do not know your book yet want to condemn others. I would expect nothing less from Mr Black Jesus.

olabrad:
Was Moses beaten and pressed down like your founder?! No.

You are fond of making darft comparison. Imagine comparing Moses encounter with that of your founder!

That's the same way you compared Islamic terrorism with US/Japan war and IPOB!

Yet, you claim to be smart!

Smart indeed!

Your founder is a fiake prophet!

Please show any reference to where He was beaten.

olabrad:
A Muslim can deny anything, including the Quran, just to lie for allllla

The signs and visions are from the Real God, who made heaven and earth. They are not from alllllah the deceiver. So, the visions are true. Jesus is black

You really find a way to move the goal post when you are backed against the wall. Lets stay on course.

Tell me, how do you take a book of signs literally. Even the book claimed to be interpreted not taken literal. but your black Jesus source is the same book.

olabrad:
The Hadith is not symbolic anything. The Hadith is literal. Read it yourself. Sahih bukhari 3.

Read it and stop lying.

It was a demon that appeared to your founder, not an angel from YHWH. YHWH didn't send your founder

Funny, look at Moses encounters with God. Is that the devil too?

olabrad:
If I don't understand my scripture, I wouldn't have been able to give you evidence from it. Every smart person knows that what you are practicing is a farlse reliigiion. It was a falen angel that appeared to your founder in cave Hira, not Gabriel!

You are giving evidence from a chapter that is purely symbolic rather than literal. Some smart person you are.

Why are you responding multiple times, are you taking some time to boot my dear smart guy or perhaps, you have inadequate computing power.

olabrad:
This is why you are still a Muslim; it's because you don't read. If you spend time on studying, you would have known that your founder is a scarmer, who copied other people's reliigiions and called it Isleam. But you can't know because you don't read.

If you can't check the passage I gave you, don't blame me for your laziniess


If I don't understand my scripture, I wouldn't have been able to give you evidence from it. You don't need to be a genius to know that Islieam is a farlse reliigiion from a deimion in cave Hira!

You are asking me to take a book of signs, literally.

A "vision" as true representation of Jesus. With swords in mouth.

What is weird is that sword as a weapon is the limitations of human concept.

The same with the idea of crown for royalty, white for purity and gold for richness. It is the limitation around our own basic concepts.

What does divinity need crown and swords for?

Whats with the way you type words, is your device as broken as you? It does not look good for someone "smart".

olabrad:
Oga, read Revelations 1:14-15.

In the mind of a Muslim, a child can only be born if Father and mother meet!

They just can't think beyond this limited level.





What are you saying?;

By the way, your founder was met by a demon in the cave, not by any angel from God.

No angel from God will press people down before giving them message! No angel from God Almighty will command you to read when he knows you are an illiterate.

Also, your allllllah is the chief deity of arab pagans long before Islam started! So, you are serving the same deity served by Arab pagans.


Allllllah id a false gord!

Mr Black Jesus asking me to read revelation, a book of signs. As evidence Jesus is black, with swords in his mouth.

If you cannot comprehend your own scripture, how do I expect you to understand others?

Did you read me mention Joseph?. If Mary is Middle Eastern and Jesus is Black, are you saying God has a complexion and is black?

Allah is a term used to refer to The God. It is the same term used to refer to God in the Arabic bible.

Between, Jesus spoke Aramaic and maybe you should do a little digging on what he would have called God in his own language.

How he would have said "peace unto you" as he often say in his own language.

PS: try to gather your thoughts before responding. Responding multiple times does not look good on you. It makes be picture you as a toddler with challenging internet access.

olabrad:
Another un-smart reasoning from one who called himself smart. . Why is the simplest statement always difficult for him to understand?! No wonder you are comparing a proverb in the bible to a clear straightforward commandment in the Quran. No wonder you are comparing Islamic terrorism to IPOB and USA/Japan war.
And you claim to be smart!

Though I've noticed that people who praise themselves as being smart are almost always opposite!


And yes, Jesus was black. You think the oyinbo acting the role of Jesus in movies is the true picture of Jesus?!

Why?!

Well, why do you not bring his true picture?

Since you claimed he is black means Marys lineage is black.

Between, did you modify your texts or not? For someone who keep accusing people of lying, It is weird not to be willing to own your piece.

Mrchippychappy:
This is the brain rot I see in every Islamist, instead of addressing the Arab supremacist ideology and racism in Islam, you would rather play a game of whataboutism or quickly inject "Bilal" into the conversation...so brainwashed. A genocide is currently being committed against black Africans in Sudan by the same people who started the slave raids and slave trade in Africa and yet you would overlook all of that and play the "whatabout" card but some how you are quick to find your moral compass when it comes to Israel.

Hold your Arab Islamic slave masters by the same standards you hold Israel and the west by, and if you are so upset with the West, then perhaps your Arab masters can stop migrating to the west and instead go to places like Syria, Iraq, Yemen, even their Turkish, Egyptian and Lebanese brothers would not accept them, Why do you think that is?

The West unfortunately are gullible and easily manipulated by the deception of these sharia peddling liars that they open their borders to them, only for them to arrive in these new countries and repay that KINDNESS by pushing for the expansion of Islamic ideologies and the establishment of Sharia law. Luckily the modern European is now awake to the lies, the reconquesta is upon us, time to push the vipers out.

what level of fuckery!
You mentioned racism using UK as an example, I simply addressed it.
You have no basic response to the counter.
Then you go about accusing me of whataboutism when I have not even left the matter in discourse.
Then you jumped from.
Arab supremacist ideology
Genocide in Sudan
Holding Arab to the same standard as Israel and the west.

Who exactly is going about here?

They really need to return constructive argument to schools so we can stop producing half baked mentality of people whose first response to loosing an argument is to chip in insults and start projecting.

Mrchippychappy:
If you were in UK, I Would have asked you to go and speak to Black African Muslims in the UK, Ask them about the segregation during prayer and the racist utterances that comes out of the mouths of Arab Muslims and when they try to call the Arabs out for being racist, the response they get its "Oh, there is no racism in Islam, the Ummah is one, Bilal was a black man who prayed first on one mountain and blah blah blah" , Bro I have numerous stories from people who have experienced these first hand and many black British Muslims and dumping that religion.

If i were in the UK?... there is no part of the UK that I have not prayed. Down south to the dorset area, the capital, the mid lands and the north. I am trying to avoid specifics here. I have never experienced whatever it is that you are trying to portray and experience has been similar. Every has a common struggle and similar story of oppression. So why pass it on to others?. There are mosques that are state sponsored like Oman, Bangladesh, Pakistani etc so ordinarily, you will expect more of thier nationals concentrated in organization. Have you ever seen a redeem church in the UK that is not predominantly black attendance? Stop being a hypocrite Mr.

Mrchippychappy:
I updated the response that you quoted, bro there is an AWAKENING, The lies are being exposed by so many people who have had first hand experience, EVEN last year a group of black American influencers raised money and went to Gaza to assist the people, They ran barely after a week, many said they have never been racially mistreated by people who actually needed THEIR HELP. Can you imagine that? And even in a time of war, the Gazans still have the time to refer to black people as Abeed.

And they lie to you about ""One Ummah", while they perpetrate hateful genocidal killings against Black Africans. Look up how the Arab world deliberately used their media resources to surpress the genocide against black Africans in Sudan by the Arab backed RSF.

Europe is awake, Africa would be next.

You need to separate racism by Arabs from Islam. They are 2 different things. In Islam, there is no racism. I will ask this, will you attribute racism by the west to Christianity? Racism in Europe and the US among those of the same faith. Is that promoted by Christianity?. So why always tagging Arabs racism as a thing promoted by Islam?

Mrchippychappy:
Bro my leg dey GIDIGBA for Europe, I dey UK and let me tell you the STORM is taking OVER the entire Europe. The Re-conquesta is coming, I am not really a Trump fan but he opened the eyes of the world to the true intention of the Arabs who have been migrating en-masse to Europe, pretending to be economic migrants while deceptively spreading Islam. Trust me, Europeans are now awake. The Re-conquesta is here. You want Sharia? fine, do it at your desert. Not in Europe.

The disease that denies women education while assaulting them endlessly, the disease that looks down on Black Africans while claiming the "Umma is one", The disease that kills people who draw cartoons, The disease that has ALWAYS been used to set back African development and Pan-Africanism (Look at the recent attacks against the Sahel Alliance), The disease that supported the selling of Black Africans for 500 years before the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and still sells black Africans till this day, That disease would be FLUSHED OUT of Europe. Its days are numbered.

The same UK where we both dey where an Arab is more accepted than a black man simply because they are fair?. Between, I really do not know the kind of education we have that makes people equate Arab with Islam. It is the same mentality that makes us assume every British is Christian. Also, yall seems to always have problem with Islam. Just go to Coventry, Birmingham, Leicester. You will see so many Hindu temples but the sight of mosques is always the problem. When you see a person of middle Eastern traits in the UK, the chances of the person being a muslim is less than 2% but hey... let's not have that discussion.

ekineme:
We are not talking about who started a war. The question is if iran is morally sound to handle nuclear weapons? If they can send missile aimlessly into civilian population, think of what they will do with nuke

Yes... that a good analysis. Reminds me of Gaza and Lebanon. Thats more recent and a little bird told me the perpetrator has the same weapon.

Nwaikpe:


The cohesion of the Christian world break?
Naaa!

As for Starmer, he is going out.
Nigel Farage is coming in.
The left (who rely on Muslim immigrants' votes), are being butted out.
Now the Trump of Britain will come in, and the west will again focus on destroying jeehard.

Lib Dem has more chances in the UK than Nigel... apart from the boats (which tory did not do anything about) Labour has been descent and British would rather stay away from any war at the moment. Also, check reviews of reform controlled councils. Property values there are even tanking.

ekineme:
The way you guys open your mouth & spit out thrash.
Can you listen to yourself? It's either you are a terrorist lover or a fanatics for you to reason this way.
Have u seen Israel sending missiles and drones randomly into a civilian population?
Can you imagine for a second if Israel send 300 missiles into iran at once the casualty figure?
Hv u seen Israel chanting death to Iran? Or making vow to wipe Iran off the map?

This iran that won't mind blowing everyone off the earth if given the opportunity that you want them to own nuke?
Just imagine what they are doing to their neighbours unprovoked.

Can u remember iraq and iran war? What would have been the scenario if iran had nuke?

You guys should use cognitive reasoning for once. Everything is not about religion.

Iran Iraq war?... who started it? Thats a very bad example.

Mattswaggz:
Can't remember when Israel was chanting d*ath to Iran but Iran are always doing it and you expect Israel to fold their arms and watch them develop what they could actually use to obliterate them right?. .

What does Israel says the Goyims are useful for again?

olabrad:
You can only call it an insult if it doesn't describe the subject perfectly. In this case, it describes you perfectly. So, it's not an insult . It's a perfect description of who you are!



Whom you get the revelation from matters. Your founder didn't get any revelation from any angel. He got it from a demon.

Quran 9:29 is a straightforward unambiguous commandment. Instead of beating about the bush, mention specifically the event that made your founder command you to fight against non-Muslims just because they choose a different religion. I'm waiting!

Oh... that's not an insult to you Mr black Jesus?. If it is not an insult, why then are you modifying the text to bypass moderation? Is that not deception?

I am not explaining anything to someone who believes Jesus is a black man. How is he supposed to comprehend? Whats even worse is that you know as you mentioned it yourself down the thread but asking for argument sake.

You jumped from no context to demonic source. So if this was a demon, he will begin every revelation seeking refuge from himself. Dey try reason small na.

I see you already dropped the insult you kept hurling at the word "Allah". At least you learnt something from this engagement.

olabrad:
That bible verse IS A PROVERB. You claim to be smart, but you can't even recognize a simple proverb! Smart Indeed! I'm not claiming any context for that Bible verse. It's a proverb!

Show me any part of Quran 9:29 that indicates that Muslims were facing any aggression even in the slightest form! That verse shows that you Muslims are the aggressors.

The verse didn't say you should fight against those who fight against you, (which would have been a good excuse to call it a verse revealed for certain aggression). It says you should fight against non-Muslims just because they choose a different religion. You were not facing any aggression. You were the aggressors!



You claimed to be smart and you are showcasing yourself as the opposite. So, you brought the insult upon yourself!

By the way, whoever revealed Quran to your founder is not from God Almighty. God Almighty doesn't work like what happened to your founder in the cave of hirah

Lol, you are projecting bro. What do they say about those who results to insult in an argument?

You should at least be reasonable enough to understand basis for revelation. It always address specific or general issues.
So, when you talk to someone about an event, you first describe back the whole event to them before addressing it?
I am responding to you now, do I have to describe or summarize our entire thread before responding? Mr Black Jesus.

olabrad:
That bible verse IS A PROVERB. You claim to be smart, but you can't even recognize a simple proverb! Smart Indeed! I'm not claiming any context for that Bible verse. It's a proverb!

Show me any part of Quran 9:29 that indicates that Muslims were facing any aggression even in the slightest form! That verse shows that you Muslims are the aggressors.

The verse didn't say you should fight against those who fight against you, (which would have been a good excuse to call it a verse revealed for certain aggression). It says you should fight against non-Muslims just because they choose a different religion. You were not facing any aggression. You were the aggressors!



You claimed to be smart and you are showcasing yourself as the opposite. So, you brought the insult upon yourself!

By the way, whoever revealed Quran to your founder is not from God Almighty. God Almighty doesn't work like what happened to your founder in the cave of hirah

Well, It does not take away the fact that you are dishing out insult. Have I insulted you at all?

You have said proverb many times right, and I have said the verse is addressing an aggression many times. You choose to accept your end, but refuse to accept my end.

Did your proverb say specifically that the woman is not being referred to as a dog? If the Bible does not carry that detail, why fault the Quran for not being explicit as well? Is that not double standard? Although I do not expect much from a black Jesus claimant.

olabrad:
You claim to be smart, yet, you can't understand a simple sentence. Anyone with half a brain will know that my comment has nothing to do with your line of reasoning.



It's strange that I have to repeat the same thing to someone who claimed to be smart!

A proverb is an analogy and that your Quran verse is straightforward. It tells you in very simple term to fight against non-Muslims because they choose a different religion.

Are you trying to say reasoning is beyond ya cappacity or you are just pretending to be siteuped?!

There is a context for Biblical verse, you are explaining it is a proverb, I agree. There is a context for the Quranic text, it was revealed to address a certain aggression, you disagress. I understand your point, but would not understand our point of you. Guess what that is called?

For the kind of person you are, you would deal out insult and find a way to game a system to avoid being caught dealing out insults... some christian you are.

olabrad:
There is nothing like context in a proverb. A proverb is a proverb, not a personal attack on the subject.

The commands in your Quran are explicit and straightforward. It commands you to fight against non-Muslims just because they choose a different religion.

So, stop hiding behind any context!

O!... so I can take a proverb as surface meaning. between, is it written there that it is a proverb?

You can infer from that but cannot infer from the Quranic text? Weird.

Like I said, Selective processing.

olabrad:
You are far from smart! Stop deceiving yourself.

The proverb wasn't calling that woman a dog. It was a mere analogy. That Quran passage is a straightforward commandment, not an analogy. Stop hiding your br@nlesness behind bogus word usage!

That proverb can be used at any point to address different scenarios without any indicating that the subject is a dog!

Quran 19:29 is explicit and straightforward. It says you should fight against non-Muslims just because they choose a different religion.

Stop deceiving yourself!

There is even no ground for comparing the two, just like there is no ground for comparing Islamic terrorism with IPOB or USA/Japan war. Your phony and funny comparisons exposed you as very un-smart!

Stop deceiving yourself.

First, quote me. Then ask whatever AI you use to explain to you like a todler.
For someone who understands a proverb. You seem to have selective processing.

olabrad:
When I talked about Islamic terrorism, did you compare it with IPOB and USA/Japan war or not?!

The discussion started with you comparing Paul with your founder. Paul id a far better human being than your founder!

Then again, another lie. please quote me.
If you cannot quote me, then you are the liar.
Common basic English use, there is a different between comparison and analogy.
Well, what do I expect from a black Jesus promoter.