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olabrad:
Yeah, you lied. I asked for examples and you mentioned IPOB and USA, whereas there is no association between USA/IPOB and what Islamic terorists are doing!

If you allow yourself to think, which is difficult in Islam, you'll see clearly that there is nothing like racism in that verse. It's just a figure of speech. But reasoning in Islam is mission impossible

quote me... please. State where I stated it as a fact and not asked you a question making reference. If you cannot, then it is you who lie.

I think you have a problem comprehending what you read. Is there a point where I mentioned that I do not understand the references in the passage? This is proof that I am able to understand both ways but you only choose to lift text out of contexts.

olabrad:
You are right; there is no point in Islam since some people are referred to as lesser!

Islam is a fiaike religion copied from Christianity, Judaism, sabians and Arab paganism. There is nothing original in the religion. Your founder didn't meet any Angel Gabriel in cave hirah. So, there is truly no point in Islam!

Common sense says Jesus was using a figure of speech in that verse and not calling that woman a dog!

This reminds of how your founder said presence of dogs in a home will prevent angel Gabriel from visiting the home!



John 3:16 says "Whosoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life....Hope you know enough English to understand the meaning of WHOSOEVER!

Also read Mathew 28:9-10 and Mark 16:15.

If Jesus is only sent to lost sheep of Israel, why then did Islam say Jesus will judge the whole world?!

Read Quran 9:29 by yourself and stop hiding behind context.


Lolz. So you don't know that Jesus himself was a black man?!

I obviously have been wasting my time. For someone who believes Jesus is a black man, there could be no bigger form of delusion.

You can claim figure of sheep but ignore context. Your religion explanation is valid but mine is not.

This has been a total waste of time.

olabrad:
Yeah, you claimed that USA fight against Japan is a religion war. I demanded for evidence but you couldn't provide any!

You also claimed that IPOB is a Christian terror group. You also couldn't provide evidence to back your claim!

You equally claimed that The Crusaders are Christian terorists, which proved that you are either uninformed or you are intentionally lying since only lies can promote Islam.




The actions of the Muslims are backed by Quran and Hadiths. You'll be deceiving yourself if you claim I quoted them out of context. The Hadith specifically stated that "the hour will not come until you Muslims fight against the Jews." Qur'an 9:29 says you should fight against non-Muslims because they choose a different religion! The verse says you should only stop fighting against them if they convert to Islam!

There is nothing like out of context interpretation in that verse at all. Go study it by yourself!

Guess who is lying now... go back and check our chat... what I did was ask you questions.

Yes... when I referenced racism tone in Bible, you mentioned a figure of speech right?. did you bother to research the context for those verses.

Emzymagadon:
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Stone 🪨
Blade ⚔️
Even “Hunter” sef… dem go dey live life steady 😭😂

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Miracle dey beg for data 😂
Favor no see favor 🤣
Even Success never succeed 💀
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Grace don dey do strong things wey we no understand again 😭🤣

This life no balance at all 🤦🏿‍♂️😂
Name no dey guarantee anything for this side o 😭

#ESHEUN 🙏

JOKE BY EMZYMAGADON

Bro... have you been to that abroad?
Cos you will see Hammer wey drugs dey hammer am.
Stone wey dey stoned.
Blade wey don pierce everything.
Hunter being hunted by debt recovery.
Wealth wey dey live on benefit.

olabrad:
There is nothing like moderate Christian since there is no Christian terorist.

We are not like Muslims who have myriads of terror groups. Islam can Only be promoted through lying and violence

Oh I gave you some but you claimed thier actions are not based on the Christian values. So I can equally tell you the actions of those violent groups are not Islamic but you will just bring all sort of text out of context which I can equally provide to you from the Bible out of context of I do not know better.

olabrad:
The racist Christian can't base his behaviors on the teachings of Jesus Christ, but the racist Arab Muslim can base his behaviors on the teachings of your founder.

So, there's a huge difference.

So... tell me where Islam promotes racism?
There is no point in Islam where some people are referred to as lesser.
If you bring any passage without context, then i can easily refer to you as a dog as you are not a Jew based on the reference from Jesus. Also, as you are not onenof the lost sheep of Israel, you have no claim to Jesus. However, I read and reference to context to understand and not just pick text at face value. Can you say the same?
Also, I am guessing you know who Bilal is right? Can you make reference to any black Jesus companion?.

olabrad:
Good. Thank God you agree that there is nothing moderate about Islam, which means Islam is altogether viollent

If you that interpretation gives you peace. then peace be unto you my dear moderate Christian.

olabrad:
Stop twisting facts. The attack of Boko Haram, ISIS, Hezbollah,HAMAS, etc can't be compared to that of USA or IPOB.

You are an intentionally deceptive person for attempting to compare the two.

ISIS, Hezbollah, HAMAS and Boko Haram specifically declared that they are attacking people for religion reasons.

I challenge you to show me where USA/JAPAN war or IPOB attacks was ever tagged religion attack by those involved.

So, your comparison is a failed attempt at covering up the evil in Islam!

You the so-called moderate Muslims are highly deceptive. You are the green grass hiding the green snakes of your violent Islamic terorist brothers! You are even more dangerous than the Islamic terorists!

I am not a moderate muslim... there is absolutely nothing such as that term.

olabrad:
You are the one who deviated by asking me if Jews accept me. Was that part of our discussion from beginning?! Muslims love accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.


What makes a religion abrahamic is if it can be traced back in history to Abraham. Jesius can be traced back to Abraham, but the quraish tribe of your founder can't be traced back in history to Abraham.

Quran's claim to Abraham is a 100% untrue claim. Abraham didn't build Kaba as claimed by Quran.




Stop deceiiving yourself. Shite Muslims dont agree with Sunni Muslims. That's why Saudi Arabia is not in agreement with Iran today. Shite Muslims (minority) in Saudi Arabia re suppressed, intimidated and maltreated by the Sunni majority! Don't come here and tell us what is not real.

Nigerian Muslims that travel to Saudi Arabia sleep on the open like sliavves. You'll never find an Arab Muslim like that. The Arab Muslims refer to bliack Muslims as "abeed" (sliavve).

Check this link and stop deceiiving yourself: Arab Muslims don't see bllack Muslims as equals. As far as they are concerned, you are their sllavves and inferrior to them?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Umrah/comments/1r8v4ih/being_black_in_saudi/?utm_source=chatgpt.com.

Fulani Muslims captured Hausa Muslims as sllaves. Till today, Hausas have no say over their lands.

Hausa/Fulani Muslims see Yoruba Muslims as fiake Muslims! Stop decieiving yourself.



You always manage to portray yourself as igneoriant The negros were not Christians before they were brought in as sllaives.


Show me evidence that the fight between the Hutsi and Tutsi is based on religion. That's how you lied that fight between USA and Japan is a religion fight!

Is xenophobia in south africa based on religion?! Not surprising from someone who lied that IPOB is a Christian terror group. .

Someone must have imparted you with the spiirit of lais like your founder and his allllla!

Needling visa to enter Vatican City is a government decision, not something inspired by religion!

The racism and discrimination by Arab Muslims is because your founder told them that the world belong to them and because your founder had bllack sliaves.

Your whataboutism is really odd. Does a racist Christian white man consider you equal?. Is that the fault of Christianity or racism?

olabrad:
Stop twisting facts. The attack of Boko Haram, ISIS, Hezbollah,HAMAS, etc can't be compared to that of USA or IPOB.

You are an intentionally deceptive person for attempting to compare the two.

ISIS, Hezbollah, HAMAS and Boko Haram specifically declared that they are attacking people for religion reasons.

I challenge you to show me where USA/JAPAN war or IPOB attacks was ever tagged religion attack by those involved.

So, your comparison is a failed attempt at covering up the evil in Islam!

You the so-called moderate Muslims are highly deceptive. You are the green grass hiding the green snakes of your violent Islamic terorist brothers! You are even more dangerous than the Islamic terorists!

This is you driving home your point. If you claim the actions of the Christo political violence does not represent Christianity and mainstream Islam has come out to say the actions of these guys is a skewed interpretation of Islamic teachings. Why then do you insist to attribute thier actions to Islam but distance the actions of the Spanish inquisition from Christianity?

[quote author=yinkus6750 post=139266856]This is a big one. But we don't really need a warship for now.
Our greatest security challenge is in the northern desserts. Our focus on war equipments should be on fighter jets, missiles, drones and other technological warfare equipments for land attack.
We need to be spending our defence budget wisely [/quotewe should wait until we need it so we can blame the government.

olabrad:
What a childish question?!

I don't need acceptance of Jews to be a Christian

Dear bliack Muslim are you accepted as one by Arab Muslims?! You have same religion like them but they still treat you like a sliave.

This is your problem. You deviate continously like you have difficulty staying on arguement.

You claimed Islam is not Abrahamic. While the Jews does not even consider Christianity Abrahamic. You are facing the same problem you are accusing Islam of. An Arab Muslim consider any other muslim as one. They cannot be a muslim if they do not. They are then simply Arab. If you contrary to what Islam then you are not considered a muslim. No one is judged based on descent but by peity and closeness to God.

Are the slave masters and the negros not of the same religion? Did being both Christians stopped the Hutsi and Tutsi from killing each other's? Are the south Africans currently asking what religion you are before attacking other black Africans?. As a Christian, do you not need a visa to got to the Vatican?

olabrad:
Jesus is Son of God. If you are not igneuriant, you wouldn't have asked that question!


You still haven't shown me where the new testament preached violence against non-christians!

Or is that another lie from your ending bag of lies?!

Other shiamelies lies you've told so far is that America attack on japan is for religion. You also lied that IPOB is a Christian terror group!

You no dey shiame?!

Without lies Islam dies!

If you will look at the question I asked you, you will realize that what you call a lie is your own interpretation. I asked you if American and iPad attacks can be considered a faith based action since they are carried out by those predominately Christians.

olabrad:
Jesus originated from Abraham. So, Christianity is abrahamic. Now, i challenge you to prove that Islam is abrahamic. Fake copy copy reliiligion. Islam is a lie pretending to be true

Even you lied shiameliesly several times to defend Islam, proving the religion to be a deceptive religion

Between, which is it? Is Jesus the Son of God or Son of Joseph?

olabrad:
Jesus originated from Abraham. So, Christianity is abrahamic. Now, i challenge you to prove that Islam is abrahamic. Fake copy copy reliiligion. Islam is a lie pretending to be true

Even you lied shiameliesly several times to defend Islam, proving the religion to be a deceptive religion

Lol... Mr lie detector. Are you accepted by the Jews or not?

olabrad:
You that know my Bible, show me where the New testament supports violence against non-christians. Stop lying for alllla.


Show me where New testament supports violence or just keep quiet.

Islam is not an abrahamic religion. You people only claim to be what you are not!



The Crusaders came up because you Muslims were invading Christian lands, graping women and taking the people as slaves. If there was no Islamic invasion, there wouldn't have been any news for The Crusaders! Stop twisting history to suit your religion of lies.


Yeah, Africa wouldn't be practicing Islam today if Arab Muslims didn't invade their lands and forced themselves on the African natives there.

Have you asked yourself why north Africa is filled with Arab Muslims? Were they Arab Muslims since inception? What happened to the original occupants in that region?! What did Arab Muslims do to them?!



My Faith doesn't support attacking non-christians, but Islam supports it.



That's how you interpreted bible passages wrongly and intentionally out of context

Your Hadith commands you to kill Jews and Christians. There is nothing like out of context interpretation in that.

You place curses on Christians and Jews 5 times daily each time you pray to your Islamic deity. There is no out of context interpretation in that at all!

How can someone who claimed to research be so ignorant.

You are claiming Abrahamic when your predecessor does not even accept you. Weird.

jaxxy:
When israel responds now u will start crying genocide. Allow peace to reign u say no u want to do terrorism.

Maybe get out of thier country first.

olabrad:
Stop lying the same way you lied that IPOB and USA kill for Christianity! I didn't agree that Christians killed for the faith. Whoever did such is not a Christian because the Christian faith doesn't agree with such nonsense!


Yes, we Christians only follow the new testament regarding laws and ordinances. Anything Jesus abolishes, we abolish it. Jesus abolished being violent against people and that's why a true Christian will never attack people of other religions like your Islam commands you to do!


Show me the bible passage that said such a thing.



Show me where they pulled their justification from. I'm waiting!



Christians follow new testament and it never command Christians to be violent against people of other religions the same way your Quran and Hadiths told you to be violent!

You obviously do not know your bible well enough. Go do your research. It is the same reason I asked you to spend more time on your faith than you do others.
All Abrahamic religions condones one form of violence or the other. It is trumped by non violent beliefs such as Budism and the likes. Those focus more on the philosophy of life.

Whats is funny is that you would not even be a Christian without historical Christian violence.
Africa and Latin Americans would have had a different faith. Even the British Saxons would have had thier form of worship if not for Charlemagne. Yet, You claimed they are not supported by Christianity.

You claimed the sole purpose of attacking others is because they are attacking your faith but does your faith support what you are doing?

However, if you are asked why you are doing this. Will you say it is not for the sake of it?

Be it Christianity or Islam, people will interpret text to how it best suits thier interest. None of the text can be lifted without context. While peace is encouraged, should you lay flat and die if you are attacked?. We probably won't be having this conversation if you do.

olabrad:
In other words, you agree that you were shteupeed to use IPOB and USA as examples of killing for Christ.

What were you thinking before when you were using IPOB and USA as your examples?! You thought you could lie for allllla and get away with it?!

Burning of witches or the inquisition wasn't for Christ. Whoever did it did so for themselves because you'll never find such a directive in the new testament!

Oh!... You finally agreed that Christians did killed for the faith.
Good. But nothing instructed them to do so in the new testament. Nice.
Do you only follow the new testaments?
Well, the New testaments does give the rulers authority to carry out his wrath on those who do not want God to rule over them. Maybe you should read up on the Inquisition and where they pulled their justifications from as you know better than those who brought the religions to you.

As you know better than the compilers and keepers of the book you base all your beliefs on.

olabrad:
Stop deceiving yourself.

You are already validating Islam by trying to shift attention away from it's many bad sides.

The fact that you started mentioning IPOB and USA bombing of Japan to justify violence of Islam is a clear show of validation for Islam.

Stop deceiving yourself.

Have people killed in the name of the christian faith or not?

This was the point of the discussion.

Okay.. ignore IPOB and USA. They are christians but did not kill for Christianity. Let us assume every killings by every muslim is for religion and has nothing to do with resistance and political/economic interests.

Lets stay on the the Inquisition and the burning of the "witches"

Have people killed in the name of the christian faith?

This is the ask. It is a simple question.

clusay:
Nice one. The good step in the right direction

Which direction... this is doom for Nigeria

olabrad:
Show me which part of the Gospel command Christians to commit those atrocities.

I can show you many parts of the Quran and hadiths that command you Muslims to perpetrate your atrocities agaiinst Jeiws and Chriistiians

I will tell you again, I am not here to validate religion. Let us assume no part mentioned this in the Gospel.

The argument is. Have people killed in the name of the christian religion?

olabrad:
Show me which part of the Gospel command Christians to commit those atrocities.

I can show you many parts of the Quran and hadiths that command you Muslims to perpetrate your atrocities agaiinst Jeiws and Chriistiians

For someone who has done so many research. You ask me this... weird. You will only come around to say it is not part of the new covenant. Yet, you will lift all arguments from the Quran ignoring the context. I won't go down that rabbit hole with you. This does not absolve those who practiced the faiths, of committing atrocities over time.

In case you have not noticed. You have moved from asking if there were any Christians killing in the name of religion... to asking if the scriptures ordered thier actions. I just tought to bring your attention to your "moving the post" actions.

[quote author=olabrad post=139233284][/quote]lol, your final statement destroyed all your argument...
while you can claim, the religion is against it, they perpetrated these evil using the religion as justification.
This is the same on the other side.
Christianity is older and has evolved overtime due to the influence of a lot of nation states.
Islam is much younger and still adjusting to modern state system.

You cannot erase the atrocities committed in the name of both faiths. No matter how much you want to argue the stand of the faiths on these matters.

That you stand here defending their atrocities is enough evidence of the atrocities on its own. You have no business defending any middle eastern belief while claiming your own brother is not coming to a conclusion with his brain.

I like the fact that you have decided to drop your tone down your attempt to trigger a religious comparison. You wont find your mate here.

If you agree that humans have on both side of the religions have killed in the name of their beliefs, then what exactly justifies one against the other?

olabrad:
They are not just my conclusions. The are the conclusions of everyone who has a brain and wants to put his brain to good use!



Stop lying. You have been having a religion validation conversation with me. First, you claimed bible is full of contradictions. Secondly, you claimed you'll provide statistics on religion that kill people the most. Thirdly, you accused the crusaders of religion violence.

So, you are already having the religion validation conversation. You are only deceiving yourself that you are not having it.



Lolz. When a Muslim is defeated in an argument, he resorts to gaslighting. Your Islamic socalled scholars have zero respect for other people's religions, but you are not accusing them. Even your allah has no respect for other people's religion. Yusuf adepoju has spent 30 years of his life attacking Christianity UNPROVOKED! So, save me your trashy talk.



Gaslighter, we Christians will not watch you Muslims attack our faith anymore. If you attack us, we will attack you back. If you rubbish our faith, we will rubbish your Quran, your allah and your religion founder. It's tit for tat now!!!



Show me where IPOB said what they did is for Christianity. I'm waiting



Islam is actually a political cult pretending to be a religion. That's why HAMAS, Hezbollah etc look like political movements. Their political movements are all advancing the demonic cause of Islam.

USA bombed Japan in RETALIATION! You seem to lacck knowledge of history like the founder of your religion!



Show me where USA said their attacks on Japan, Honduras, Yugoslavia or Vietnam are religion inspired. But the activities of HAMAS, Hezbollah, etc are Islam inspired!

Hezbollah is a Lebanon-based Shia Islamist organization . Stop lying!

Hamas is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist organization . Stop lying!

The Taliban is an ultraconservative Sunni Islamist militant group. Stop lying.

All these moderous groups are Islamic terror groups

A Muslim must always lie and tell half truth to promote Islam since Islam can't be promoted by telling the truth!

I have had no religious validation argument with you, my reference to the Bible is for you to look inward when looking for faults in others, you do not throw stones when living in a glass house.

Look through our trail, you will not see a single comment from me to your personality, or your ability to comprehend.

Who you are is not a christian. You are far from being a christian just as the Yusuf you made reference might be far from being a Muslim. I do not know him and I do not intend to. However, I have seen you and you are not pleasant.

Note this: most modern western state was established based on biblical law, if they do not say they are christian organizations, it is simply removed from the namings alone. Most Islamic societies still choose to maintain the Islamic element so they appear more religious but in true sense, there s no difference from a state established based off Biblical law from that based of Quranic laws. Its just semantics.

The Spanish inquisitions was state sponsored and the state where mainly controlled by the church.
The persecution of witchcrafts and blasphemy are all well recorded in christian history but will you agree that these best portrays the christian values or just a toll of control and fear during these periods?

the church as a body sponsored slavery and even held slaves using the same bible to justify the enslavement of Africans. Does that portrays the true values of christianity or pure human greeds or interests?

I have not rubbished the Bible, in our conversation. It does have contradiction but that does not make most of its accounts less true.
I have also not attacked any part of your believes.... like I said, to you is your believe and to me is mine.

However, never downplay the mayhem historically caused by those who identify as Christians compared to those who identify as muslims especially against your own race.

olabrad:
Actually before now, I took no interest in Islam untill the likes of Yusuf adepoju took it upon himself to starts attacking Christianity UNPROVOKED! I also learned that Yusuf had been doing the nonsense for 30 years!

So, I too started researching Christianity, Islam and even Judaism. Then I realized that Islam is a false religion pretending to be a abrahamic religion! There is nothing abrahamic about Islam!!!

Try and do research about the reliigion by yourself! However, I doibt if you will ever research about Islam






If you research properly from the Bible by yourself instead of living on what you see on TikTok, Facebook, etc, you would have seen all the reasons why the Jews rejected Jesus. And these reasons would have made you believe in Jesus Christ. .

But I know you'll never do any research!





If you made such a claim about my belief, I would have gone to find out if it is true or not. I challenge you too to go and find out if what I said about Muhammad is true or not. It is a statement of fact that Muhammad encountered a demon in the cave, not Angel Gabriel!

Research on Islam and stop being an uninformed follower.



Any sincere student of history will know that The crusades, by The Crusaders was in response to the invasion and murderous activities of Muslims. Meuslims were invading Christian lands through north Africa and Europe, which prompted the establishment of the Crusaders to push back the Muslims!

You can't change history! If you Muslims didn't invade Christian lands, The Crusaders wouldn't have come up!



Again, I challenge you to provide those verifiable modern historical facts that says Christians form groups to attack people for Christ the same way Muslim groups kpai people for Allah!



But your religion founder copied the contents of my book and lied that he got revelation .

Even your founder said he believed in my book. Your Quran even said gospel is true!

You just prove that you don't know anything about Quran. You don't read Quran by yourself. You just swallow any dawah propaganda you watch on Facebook, etc.


Do personal research, you will not hear

Alllllah is different from YHiWH, yet all the people in your book are people of YHiWH copies from my book.

Once again, those are your conclusions after all your research, then... good for you.

I have maintained that I am not having any religious validation conversation with you, yet you kept bringing this up.

You obviously have no respect for other peoples position, that sums up the kind of christian that you are.

Look into the mirror and tell me how much different you are from the Yusuf that got you on this road?

So, tell me, all the "witches" burnt at the stake, in whose name were they killed?

Lets ignore the inquisition, the LRA, The Balkans.

Also, there is this assumption that when actions are carried out by those recognized by muslims, it is considered driven by religion.

We can consider those actions carried out by IPOBs as religious terrorism.

Hamas, Taliban, Hezbollah etc, these are all political entities. They are no different from the US dropping bombs on Japan. The US is predominantly christians. They will pray for a successful mission before jetting out to kill millions, How is that different from someone you consider muslim shouting "Allahu Akbar". Does that make their action right or driven by religion?

Does that make Christianity responsible for the millions of death in Japan, Vietnam, Honduras, Yugoslavia etc.

olabrad:
So, if I say something true about someone, it means I'm tarnishing that person, right?!



You just quoted Quran chapters 109:6, which was recorded when Muhammad was looking for more members to join him as Muslims in mecca before he acquired an army.

He later received medinian "revelations" that comanded Muslims to fight against anyone that is not a Muslim! His medinian (violent) "revelations" came after bro has built a army.

Research Islam by yourself and reason things out!



Paul doesn't need Islam's standard to stand out as a true messenger of Jesus Christ. I only showed you what your own book said about him when you mentioned him. Paul is a million times better than Muhammad in character and reliability!



Show me where any group of Christians gather to commit murder for Jesus the same way Muslims gather to commit murder for Allah. I challenge you to show me those statistics!

Why don't you want to refer to any book?! Is it because you know that your Quran is full of violent laws agaiinst Jeiws, Christians and other religions?!



Yeah. If the mind is not blind, you will carry out in-depth research about Islam and everything muhamed claimed in your book. For example, Muhammad claimed that Abraham built Kaaba. If the mind is not blind, you'll research to find out if this claim is true or not!

Muhammad also claimed that Jesus didn't die. You'll research if this claim is true if the mind is not blind!!!

So, you shot yourself in the leg!

Islam is so roten that any truth spoken about it is seen as tarnishing or attack!

If you devout as much energy as you do researching the Quran to the Bible, maybe you will focus less on others belief and more on yours.

You have claimed to be a researcher, why not focus on strengthening your belief in the Bible and ensuring it is devoid of any contradiction. Why focus on Islam. This is the problem of many. You really do not worry about Judaism disbelieve or total rejection of Jesus as much as you worry about Islams half belief in your position.

You think saying the core individual conveyor of a belief system was talking to a devil is not an attack?
You think it is reasonable to start with that then have anyone engage you in a reasonable conversation?.
You are obviously rage baiting and I will not stoop low to your level.

For someone who does a lot of research, you definitely did not read about the crusades.

Again, if you want to discuss the fatalities committed by the followers of each believe systems with verifiable modern historical facts, you are more than welcome. I am not here to discuss the validity of religions.

You do not belief in the validity of my book nor I yours, so what is there to discuss?

olabrad:
Oga, go and do research about Islam and stop referring to valid points as "trying to convince myself".

Qur'an actually called Paul a true messenger. Your lmams and alfas will never tell you this truth and you too will never carry out personal research since you never read Quran by yourself! You only rely on information you get from alfas, imams and those lazy deceptive dawah gandists on TikTok, Facebook, etc!

Go and read about how muhamed received his socalled revelations in Cave Hira and ask yourself very important questions about this thing you call a religion.

Carry out research by yourself and stop following a religion blindly!

I repeat, I will never tarnish someone else beliefs. To you is your believe and to me is mine.
You validate Pauls stand with the Islamic point of view but rubbish everything else, thats your cup of tea.
Like I said, If you want to have a discussion on the amount of deaths and destructions perpetrated by each religion practitioners, I am more than ready to indulge you as that we can discuss with statistics and modern history. I am not ready to make references to a book neither you nor I can bear witness to its source.

It is not the eyes that is blind... but the mind.

KobolanderSegun:
As a one time hardcore atheist I know with 1,000 certainty that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Any one who claims God has no son does not even know God. If you read even the Torah it says " and the son's of God came to meet God " Angels are called Sons of God. If we are called Children of God, Then that men's God is our Father, that means men are sons of God and Women are daughters of God. # "Sons of God" in the Old Testament

The phrase **"Sons of God"** (Hebrew: *bene elohim* / *bene ha-elohim*) appears in the following Old Testament passages:

## Exact Occurrences of *bene ha-elohim* ("the sons of God"

- **Genesis 6:2** – "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
- **Genesis 6:4** – "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..."
- **Job 1:6** – "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."
- **Job 2:1** – "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

## Related Phrase (without the definite article)

- **Job 38:7** – "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." (Hebrew: *bene elohim*)

## Textually Variant Passage

- **Deuteronomy 32:8** – The Masoretic Text reads "according to the number of the sons of Israel," but the Dead Sea Scrolls (4QDtj, 4QDtq) and the Septuagint read "according to the number of the sons of God" (*bene elohim* / "angels of God". Many scholars consider the "sons of God" reading to be the original.

## Closely Related Expressions

- **Psalm 29:1** – "Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty (*bene elim* – 'sons of the mighty' or 'heavenly beings'), give unto the LORD glory and strength."
- **Psalm 89:6** – "For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty (*bene elim*) can be likened unto the LORD?"
- **Psalm 82:6** – "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High (*bene elyon* – 'sons of the Most High')."
- **Daniel 3:25** (Aramaic) – King Nebuchadnezzar describes a fourth figure in the fiery furnace as having a form "like the Son of God" (*bar elahin*).

## Summary Count

- **Exact phrase *bene ha-elohim* ("the sons of God":** 4 occurrences (Genesis 6:2, 6:4; Job 1:6, 2:1)
- **Phrase *bene elohim* (without article):** 1 occurrence (Job 38:7)
- **Deuteronomy 32:8:** "Sons of God" appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint, but not in the standard Masoretic Text
- **Related phrases (*bene elim*, *bene elyon*, *bar elahin*):** 4 additional passages with similar theological concepts

## Interpretive Notes

The identity of the "Sons of God" has been debated throughout Jewish and Christian history. Three primary interpretations exist:

1. **Angelic beings** – This view is supported by the usage in Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7, where the "sons of God" appear in God's heavenly court. Many ancient Jewish sources and early Church Fathers held this view for Genesis 6 as well.

2. **Descendants of Seth** – The godly line of Seth intermarrying with the ungodly line of Cain. This interpretation became popular among later Rabbinic writers and some Christian theologians seeking to avoid the idea of angels marrying humans.

3. **Ancient kings or rulers** – Human leaders who claimed divine status or exercised tyrannical power, a view held by some modern scholars.

Most modern scholars note that in the **Book of Job**, the context strongly suggests angelic beings, while **Genesis 6** remains more contested. The phrase consistently denotes beings with a special relationship to God, whether heavenly or (in some interpretations) exceptionally endowed humans.

> "The term 'sons of God,' in Hebrew, is *bene elohim*. It is used five times in the Old Testament (twice in Genesis 6, and once each in Job 1, Job 2, and Job 38)."

So Jesus Christ calling himself the Son Of God was nothing New, but to the spiritually blind it was a sign of Blasphemy.

You believe in the Bible and the Torah.. good
Tell me, if your colonizer had been Ifa followers with a perfect historical text of Ifas corpus detailing the creation of the world and the activities of oduduwa nad orunmila.
Also, if they had been the the global leaders and promoted thes through education and half of the world currently speaks Yoruba.
What fence of the argument will you be?

olabrad:
The Gospel and Torah have told we Christians how angel Gabriel and other angels deliver messages from YHIWH. Angels always say "Fear not" to people when giving them messages from YHIWH, but the entity Muhammad met wanted to strangle him to death. That's not Angel Gabriel!

Angel Gabriel is never known to deliver messages from YHIWH the same way that entity delivered message to Muhammad.

So, the entity is not Angel Gabriel. It must be a demon!

keep saying that to convince yourself. Each to his own believe. I will not tarnish someone else's believe to win a cheap argument, be it Christian, Jews, Bhuddist or Hindus. The original argument was never about the validity of religion, it was about the attrocities of those who practiced it but since you lost that argument, you chose to move the goals always. No man alive can bear witness to any of these accounts and no African has any business defending any Abrahamic religion as they have been nothing but wicked to us.

olabrad:
Even your Quran said Paul is a true messenger of allah in a bid to steal the identity of YHWH's people.

Paul also lived a more trustworthy life than Muhammad!
Paul didn't sleep with his wife's housemaid. Paul didn't collect his adopted son's wife. Paul didn't rob people.

That's by the way.

The entity that appeared to the man who formed your religion in cave Hira was a demon, not angel Gabriel.

Angel Gabriel doesn't strangle people the way the man who formed your religion was almost strangled to death!

O!... I see that you were there right?. If they say it takes one to know one, how come you are able to identify a devil?

olabrad:
Islam is a religion of lies and deception.

Islam is a copy copy reliiligion. The man who formed your religion lied about getting revelation from Angel Gabriel. No angel Gabriel appeared to him.

Muslims know that their religion is fake and that's why they want to kpai anyone that challenges Islam

You dont believe Mohammed, but you believed Paul. Weird.