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olabrad:
So, if I say something true about someone, it means I'm tarnishing that person, right?!



You just quoted Quran chapters 109:6, which was recorded when Muhammad was looking for more members to join him as Muslims in mecca before he acquired an army.

He later received medinian "revelations" that comanded Muslims to fight against anyone that is not a Muslim! His medinian (violent) "revelations" came after bro has built a army.

Research Islam by yourself and reason things out!



Paul doesn't need Islam's standard to stand out as a true messenger of Jesus Christ. I only showed you what your own book said about him when you mentioned him. Paul is a million times better than Muhammad in character and reliability!



Show me where any group of Christians gather to commit murder for Jesus the same way Muslims gather to commit murder for Allah. I challenge you to show me those statistics!

Why don't you want to refer to any book?! Is it because you know that your Quran is full of violent laws agaiinst Jeiws, Christians and other religions?!



Yeah. If the mind is not blind, you will carry out in-depth research about Islam and everything muhamed claimed in your book. For example, Muhammad claimed that Abraham built Kaaba. If the mind is not blind, you'll research to find out if this claim is true or not!

Muhammad also claimed that Jesus didn't die. You'll research if this claim is true if the mind is not blind!!!

So, you shot yourself in the leg!

Islam is so roten that any truth spoken about it is seen as tarnishing or attack!

If you devout as much energy as you do researching the Quran to the Bible, maybe you will focus less on others belief and more on yours.

You have claimed to be a researcher, why not focus on strengthening your belief in the Bible and ensuring it is devoid of any contradiction. Why focus on Islam. This is the problem of many. You really do not worry about Judaism disbelieve or total rejection of Jesus as much as you worry about Islams half belief in your position.

You think saying the core individual conveyor of a belief system was talking to a devil is not an attack?
You think it is reasonable to start with that then have anyone engage you in a reasonable conversation?.
You are obviously rage baiting and I will not stoop low to your level.

For someone who does a lot of research, you definitely did not read about the crusades.

Again, if you want to discuss the fatalities committed by the followers of each believe systems with verifiable modern historical facts, you are more than welcome. I am not here to discuss the validity of religions.

You do not belief in the validity of my book nor I yours, so what is there to discuss?

olabrad:
Oga, go and do research about Islam and stop referring to valid points as "trying to convince myself".

Qur'an actually called Paul a true messenger. Your lmams and alfas will never tell you this truth and you too will never carry out personal research since you never read Quran by yourself! You only rely on information you get from alfas, imams and those lazy deceptive dawah gandists on TikTok, Facebook, etc!

Go and read about how muhamed received his socalled revelations in Cave Hira and ask yourself very important questions about this thing you call a religion.

Carry out research by yourself and stop following a religion blindly!

I repeat, I will never tarnish someone else beliefs. To you is your believe and to me is mine.
You validate Pauls stand with the Islamic point of view but rubbish everything else, thats your cup of tea.
Like I said, If you want to have a discussion on the amount of deaths and destructions perpetrated by each religion practitioners, I am more than ready to indulge you as that we can discuss with statistics and modern history. I am not ready to make references to a book neither you nor I can bear witness to its source.

It is not the eyes that is blind... but the mind.

KobolanderSegun:
As a one time hardcore atheist I know with 1,000 certainty that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Any one who claims God has no son does not even know God. If you read even the Torah it says " and the son's of God came to meet God " Angels are called Sons of God. If we are called Children of God, Then that men's God is our Father, that means men are sons of God and Women are daughters of God. # "Sons of God" in the Old Testament

The phrase **"Sons of God"** (Hebrew: *bene elohim* / *bene ha-elohim*) appears in the following Old Testament passages:

## Exact Occurrences of *bene ha-elohim* ("the sons of God"

- **Genesis 6:2** – "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
- **Genesis 6:4** – "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..."
- **Job 1:6** – "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."
- **Job 2:1** – "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

## Related Phrase (without the definite article)

- **Job 38:7** – "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." (Hebrew: *bene elohim*)

## Textually Variant Passage

- **Deuteronomy 32:8** – The Masoretic Text reads "according to the number of the sons of Israel," but the Dead Sea Scrolls (4QDtj, 4QDtq) and the Septuagint read "according to the number of the sons of God" (*bene elohim* / "angels of God". Many scholars consider the "sons of God" reading to be the original.

## Closely Related Expressions

- **Psalm 29:1** – "Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty (*bene elim* – 'sons of the mighty' or 'heavenly beings'), give unto the LORD glory and strength."
- **Psalm 89:6** – "For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty (*bene elim*) can be likened unto the LORD?"
- **Psalm 82:6** – "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High (*bene elyon* – 'sons of the Most High')."
- **Daniel 3:25** (Aramaic) – King Nebuchadnezzar describes a fourth figure in the fiery furnace as having a form "like the Son of God" (*bar elahin*).

## Summary Count

- **Exact phrase *bene ha-elohim* ("the sons of God":** 4 occurrences (Genesis 6:2, 6:4; Job 1:6, 2:1)
- **Phrase *bene elohim* (without article):** 1 occurrence (Job 38:7)
- **Deuteronomy 32:8:** "Sons of God" appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint, but not in the standard Masoretic Text
- **Related phrases (*bene elim*, *bene elyon*, *bar elahin*):** 4 additional passages with similar theological concepts

## Interpretive Notes

The identity of the "Sons of God" has been debated throughout Jewish and Christian history. Three primary interpretations exist:

1. **Angelic beings** – This view is supported by the usage in Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7, where the "sons of God" appear in God's heavenly court. Many ancient Jewish sources and early Church Fathers held this view for Genesis 6 as well.

2. **Descendants of Seth** – The godly line of Seth intermarrying with the ungodly line of Cain. This interpretation became popular among later Rabbinic writers and some Christian theologians seeking to avoid the idea of angels marrying humans.

3. **Ancient kings or rulers** – Human leaders who claimed divine status or exercised tyrannical power, a view held by some modern scholars.

Most modern scholars note that in the **Book of Job**, the context strongly suggests angelic beings, while **Genesis 6** remains more contested. The phrase consistently denotes beings with a special relationship to God, whether heavenly or (in some interpretations) exceptionally endowed humans.

> "The term 'sons of God,' in Hebrew, is *bene elohim*. It is used five times in the Old Testament (twice in Genesis 6, and once each in Job 1, Job 2, and Job 38)."

So Jesus Christ calling himself the Son Of God was nothing New, but to the spiritually blind it was a sign of Blasphemy.

You believe in the Bible and the Torah.. good
Tell me, if your colonizer had been Ifa followers with a perfect historical text of Ifas corpus detailing the creation of the world and the activities of oduduwa nad orunmila.
Also, if they had been the the global leaders and promoted thes through education and half of the world currently speaks Yoruba.
What fence of the argument will you be?

olabrad:
The Gospel and Torah have told we Christians how angel Gabriel and other angels deliver messages from YHIWH. Angels always say "Fear not" to people when giving them messages from YHIWH, but the entity Muhammad met wanted to strangle him to death. That's not Angel Gabriel!

Angel Gabriel is never known to deliver messages from YHIWH the same way that entity delivered message to Muhammad.

So, the entity is not Angel Gabriel. It must be a demon!

keep saying that to convince yourself. Each to his own believe. I will not tarnish someone else's believe to win a cheap argument, be it Christian, Jews, Bhuddist or Hindus. The original argument was never about the validity of religion, it was about the attrocities of those who practiced it but since you lost that argument, you chose to move the goals always. No man alive can bear witness to any of these accounts and no African has any business defending any Abrahamic religion as they have been nothing but wicked to us.

olabrad:
Even your Quran said Paul is a true messenger of allah in a bid to steal the identity of YHWH's people.

Paul also lived a more trustworthy life than Muhammad!
Paul didn't sleep with his wife's housemaid. Paul didn't collect his adopted son's wife. Paul didn't rob people.

That's by the way.

The entity that appeared to the man who formed your religion in cave Hira was a demon, not angel Gabriel.

Angel Gabriel doesn't strangle people the way the man who formed your religion was almost strangled to death!

O!... I see that you were there right?. If they say it takes one to know one, how come you are able to identify a devil?

olabrad:
Islam is a religion of lies and deception.

Islam is a copy copy reliiligion. The man who formed your religion lied about getting revelation from Angel Gabriel. No angel Gabriel appeared to him.

Muslims know that their religion is fake and that's why they want to kpai anyone that challenges Islam

You dont believe Mohammed, but you believed Paul. Weird.

thrillionaire:
Even at that... Go and see who the real monsters of slave trade were.. the islamic Arabs.

Till date, they have refused to stop slavery.

If the world was barbaric in time past but have become civilised now, why wouldn't Islam reform and embrace peace like others? You can't say you're the religion of peace but your character says it's a religion of piss.

First, you are moving goal post because we are talking about killings here. However, I will indulge you. You are attempting to downplay the evil of colonialism and transatlantic slave trade because you want to compare it with the Trans Sahara slave trade. How convenient do you think moving large amount of people through the Sahara is compared to moving people through the sea?. At least, the Arabs have laws guiding slavery. They still consider them as humans not products.
Where in the Arab world is slavery still occurring? If you are referring to pimping and trafficking, have you looked at south America and eastern europe?. What do you think epstein is all about?. If Africans choose to go slave (condition) in another country, it is their choice. What is the difference between slavery in the Arab world and the skilled workers immigration approach in the west? Have you seen any Chinese or European complained of being held to a slave condition in the Arab countries? At least the Arabs are not the ones compelling the whole world to trade through them influencing every country's decisions. How many people died in Vietnam and Honduras simply because they wanted to raise the price of Bananas. Every Central American states are basically slaves to the US but its okay since they are not Muslims. We have Cuba, Venezuela etc. It is justifiable right? Because the west can do not wrong. What we as Africans need to do is simply find solution to our security challenges without external influence. Prosecute the perpetrators regardless of who they are or who they worship. The challenges have nothing to do with religion or tribe. It is simply people's greed and interests.

thrillionaire:
Did he tell you he was ever a Muslim? Reverted kii you there.

Just observing the evil and pains Islam brings to this world—the terrorism and wickedness.. if I was a Muhammadian, I'll be thoroughly ashamed.

Without Christianity which is love, I'd rather worship a cow 🐄

Ps. Just days ago we witnessed an islamic imam brazingly calling for a pastor be slaughtered and promised to pay 2 million naira for the murder.

An islamic muhammadian.

Never have we seen a pastor do such.

Pissful religion can't compare to loving religion. Never.

Let's not talk about the world wars... let's stop at Africa alone... in drc, do you know how many people the Belgian king killed?.

Kobojunkie:
Are all the Pakistani, Afghan, Indonesian, etc., grapists in the UK getting the same treatment under the law that this man is to get? Or is it one law for one religion and another for others in this case, too? 🥱🥱

The man is a shame, and I hope he and all those like him get the book thrown at them. 🥱🥱

bring one evidence of a case where the British police arrested with evidence a Muslim rapist that was not prosecuted.

Julius1995:
Don't you think your fellow Muslims who have committed the greatest atrocities in human history in the name of Islam need this sermon more than peace-loving Nigerian Christians?

abeg... who do first and second world wars?

Righteousness2:
Oga Pope, Give them the Undiluted Gospel of JESUS CHRIST.
Tell THEM BOLDLY and CLEARLY without mincing words that JESUS CHRIST is the ONLY WAY, TRUTH and LIFE.

BOLDLY Tell them that THE Only way TO True and Real Peace is TOTAL BELIEVE AND SURRENDERNESS OF ALL HUMANITY TO JESUS CHRIST, THE PRINCE oF PEACE.

This is what you owe them.
JESUS CHRIST, Paul, Peter, John, James and other disciples and saints of Old who gave us the Gospel did not go to Form alliance or speak grammar in the Name of Peace.
All that na scam and Fake.

They went out there, Preached the Gospel of JESUS Christ and Died for the Gospel of JESUS Christ.

maybe tell the Jews first.

Jokay07:
Nuclear weapons is beyond the rhetorics of Nuclear Detterance.
If a wrong country possess Nuclear weapons, it can spell doom for civilization. It's like giving a machine gun to a chipmunk. It will end up killing himself and other people.
Imagine Nigeria currently is in possession of s Nuclear Weapon.

how do you define a wrong country here?. Only one country has used it in history. Guess who?

obonujoker:
Jesus is not on my for the Jews.

Salvation is for the whole world.

Our forefathers and Ancestors had a lot of errors and ignorance and God may overlook.(amen)... But now, we have information, what excuse will you give to God as to why you can't be His Child?

And to come to God you must be stainless, blameless and holy ... Only Jesus can make all these possible for humans

Says what? A book whose origin you know nothing about?

They really did Africa dirty. Same religions that believed in saints said invoking our ancestors is fetish. Same religion that believe in angels and Jesus as a way to God said our deities are unclean. I am all for stopping human sacrifices butnis that all we used to be?. Our forefathers sing and dance to honor thier creator but how is that different from what is done in churches today?. Westerners simply put a name to everything. They did not teach us what we dont already know.

Adebisi444:
I want to ask a question.
If America decided to destroy every Iran source of incomes, economy etc like energy, oil, infrastructures. Infact if America doesn't mind Civilian casualties.. would Iran still stand and be making mouth

they can... but they are not at war because congress never approved this operation. Also, there are rules of engagement and till now, it has been better repected by Iran than the US. They also tried to do that in Vietnam but you can never win guerrilla on away turf.

Righteousness2:
Nothing new oga.

The usual protest of Wokiest, Leftist, lgbt+qi, Depraved/ Delusional angry Democrats, anti-Israel, abortionists, fake news and failed and noisy minorities .

PRESIDENT Trump's doing Great and has a Huge Majority Support of the American People

but the protests in Iran are valid.

Dreal1247:
You will be surprised that majority of the protesters are just manipulated into the protest and can never give any sensible personal reason for joining the masses. In Nigeria, they hire protesters.

yeah right... but the ones in Iran are legit

wealthgoddess:
As someone who is not a muslim, I will try to keep this as constructive and respectful as possible.

What Must We Do?
1. Educate Ourselves and Others: Learn and teach the true Islamic stance on equality, brotherhood, and the rejection of racism and tribalism.
3. Uphold Justice and Speak Out: Stand firmly against racism and tribalism whenever encountered, defending the oppressed and promoting unity.
4. Celebrate Our Diversity: Embrace the rich diversity of the Muslim Ummah as a blessing and a sign of Allah’s wisdom.

Let's examine your very beautiful suggestions above.
Most non-muslims will attestify that these are completely the opposite of realities on the ground. Even people like Ishaq Akintola and Oloyede that are well learned are know to often stir up negative religious sentiments. These people publicly claimed that muslims should not vote for non muslims and we wonder why Nigeria is what it is today? Unity? Let's not talk about Deborah, the many crimes of isbah and their selective justice system in a secular country to start with.

Let's move on to the broader side. The last AFCON showed that to Arabs, it doesn't even matter if you are a turbaned sheik or the most versed in the teachings of the prophet, they look down on us, you and I. The trans-arab/sahara slave trade that is still well alive in Libya and mauritius is another truth to this tale.

I do appreciate that some learned muslims like you are changing the narrative, it is what Saudi and most Gulf countries are currently doing with the muslim brotherhood as well.

Humans.... are Humans. You see the same way Muslim politicians loots. That is the same way a lot of so called Muslims quotes the Quran only when it is convenient and supports their narrative. This is the same as the case of the herdsmen and terrorists doing shits in the namenof the religion. One thing I noticed however is that brotherhood in islam also require you tell your brother when they are wrong especially against those non Muslims. That I dont see happen often.

Elusive001:
Do these men don't understand that anyone who dies without CHRIST JESUS would go to hell?

See what hatred can do. Hatred has brought him and his cohorts to this stage.

Hatred kills.

who do Africa like this?. People dey resist imperialism una dey talk say them they hate. Person dey him house dem go kill am and you are saying see what hate has caused. The Jesus wey una carry for head is not even acknowledged by the perpetrators of this evil.

Chienex24:
Oya go and live in Iran na

You think Nigerians are not there. Met a Nigerian Iranian girl and guess which tribe the father is?. Na una go full there and na una go still condemn them.

dalass:
Travel to Libya, Morocco etc. Let's see if they treat you better than UK or even US

Try read small naa. Iranians!.. I mean Iranians! not Berbers and Amazigh of northern African who always wants to claim being Arabs.
And yes, I have been to Morocco and like every other country, they could care less about what you look like and money suddenly makes you important even if you appear as a snake.

Chienex24:
Mofos will still come here and support Iran

where you got school sef? Are Iranians Arabs? Mind you , they are even more tolerant of blacks than the west.

How are Egyptians Arabs?.... they are just Arab wannabes

Morocco is the clear winner here and not just because it tops the list. The country does not have all the best sites to visit unlike Egypt but it still tumps Egypt in attraction.

AustineE1:
Go ahead and wipe out your neighbors if you can,since America loves them....who on earth will allow such an unstable axis of evil own a nuclear weapon or develop its military capacity very well. They will destroy humanity,they have been sponsoring terrorist groups and enjoy the terror on other nations,from Hamas to Hezbollah to Hutu rebels in Yemen to Asad tyrannical regime in Syria etc the list goes on but guess what?what goes around have come around to hurt them.

I am sure you know it is not Iran who took down Venezuela, sanctioned Cuba, threatening to annex Canada and making the rest of southern America live under its thumb.

henrybomb:
Pilgrimage will never make sense to me
I will pay millions to visit Jerusalem or Mecca thereby helping their economy but we are not ready for that discussion yet.

see this matter ehn... I don argue am tire.

CyynthiaKiss:
I doubt if this religion and intelligence can co exist in one brain

there are idiots everywhere mate.

AustineE1:
This is the more reasons a rogue nation like Iran will never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon,you can't fight back US and Isreal,yet you are shouting death to America and that you will wipe Isreal off the face of the earth.
Now you are busy throwing missiles to your muslim neighbors,initially they said they were aiming at American interests in these nations but now they are targeting the oil sector of neighboring nations. Iran is so weak that they can only attack soft spots,sooner than later these nations will all join the war and that marks the end of the terrorist nation.

the gas field is American interest. Have you seen the response from DJT?. You should follow the money.

Whalis:
In years to come the world will reap the benefits. It is a temporary setback for the entire world but a lasting if not a permanent setback for your terror bankrolling country Iran. If the funds no longer come to you to disburse to your Islamic terrorists their activities of terrorism will sharply reduce as we are seeing presently in Nigeria and West Africa. It is a gradual thing and this phase will elapse soon.

but there will be fund in Israel to sponsor the unrest in Sudan and Drc and Mali. Fund in the US to provide weapons to Isis and Alqaeda and to topple government such as in Libya causing insecurity in thr entire region.

SeverusSnape:
Educate Me, I don't know. Because I see no tangible reason for saying that. Even the Jews that the Germans killed in millions are not shouting "Death to Germany".

O!... you believe the Jews won't take revenge on Germany if they weren't being useful?. Germany pays Israel billions as compensation. What has the US done to Iran?. More aggression and sabotage.

SeverusSnape:
What a foolish thing to say. They should keep saying it and keep being attacked.

probably find out first why they hate them so much. If in 50 years Ukraine is shouting death to Russia, will you first condemn Ukraine or find out why why. There is a reason Ibos resent Nigeria till date. Will you just condemn their hate or like to know why?

seaboyzen:
But they can sponsor terrorist to attack other nations?

if we want to discuss sponsors of terrorism. You think Iran will be in top 10?.